[agi] Discovering the Capacity of Human Memory

2003-09-16 Thread Amara D. Angelica
Any commments on this paper? http://www.kluweronline.com/issn/1389-1987/current Brain and Mind 4 (2): 189-198, August 2003 Copyright C 2003 Kluwer Academic Publishers All rights reserved Discovering the Capacity of Human Memory Yingxu Wang Theoretical and Empirical Software Engineering

RE: [agi] Discovering the Capacity of Human Memory

2003-09-16 Thread shane legg
The total number of particles in the whole universe is usually estimated to be around 10^80. These guys claim that the storage of the brain is 10^8432 bits. That means that my brain has around 10^8352 bits of storage for every particle in the whole universe. I thought I was feeling smarter

RE: [agi] Discovering the Capacity of Human Memory

2003-09-16 Thread Brad Wyble
Good point Shane, I didn't even pay attention to the ludicrous size of the number, so keen was I to get my rant out. --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [agi] Discovering the Capacity of Human Memory

2003-09-16 Thread Pei Wang
] Discovering the Capacity of Human Memory The total number of particles in the whole universe is usually estimated to be around 10^80. These guys claim that the storage of the brain is 10^8432 bits. That means that my brain has around 10^8352 bits of storage for every particle in the whole universe

RE: [agi] Discovering the Capacity of Human Memory

2003-09-16 Thread Amara D. Angelica
1) The quote to totally wrong the the ^ should be a , ? It's 10 to the 8432 power, according to the paper. This is the theoretical memory capacity, not its actual size, but no estimates are given for real-world typical size of memory, so the comparison with machine capacity seems unrealistic.

Re: [agi] Discovering the Capacity of Human Memory

2003-09-16 Thread shane legg
is approximately 10^8432. The model is obviously an oversimplification, and the number is way too big. Pei - Original Message - From: shane legg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 6:24 AM Subject: RE: [agi] Discovering the Capacity of Human

RE: [agi] Discovering the Capacity of Human Memory

2003-09-16 Thread Brad Wyble
It's also disconcerting that something like this can make it through the review process. Transdisciplinary is oftentimes a pseudonym for combining half-baked and ill-formed ideas from multiple domains into an incoherent mess. This paper is an excellent example. (bad math + bad neuroscience

Re: [agi] Discovering the Capacity of Human Memory

2003-09-16 Thread Bill Hibbard
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Amara D. Angelica wrote: Any commments on this paper? http://www.kluweronline.com/issn/1389-1987/current Anders Sandberg's PhD thesis (thanks to Cole Kitchen for originally posting this to the AGI list) at: http://akira.nada.kth.se/~asa/Thesis/thesis.pdf entitled

RE: [agi] Discovering the Capacity of Human Memory

2003-09-16 Thread shane legg
Yeah, it's a bit of a worry. By the way, if anybody is trying to look it up, I spelt the guy's name wrong, it's actually Stirling's equation. You can find it in an online book here: http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/mackay/itprnn/book.html It's a great book, about 640 pages long. The result

RE: [agi] Discovering the Capacity of Human Memory

2003-09-16 Thread James Rogers
Their conclusion is based on the assumptions that there are 10^11 neurons and their average synapses number is 10^3. Therefore the total potential relational combinations is (10^11)! / (10^3)! ((10^11)! - (10^3)!), which is approximately 10^8432. The model is obviously an

Re: [agi] Discovering the Capacity of Human Memory

2003-09-16 Thread Eliezer S. Yudkowsky
James Rogers wrote: I was wondering about that. It seems that the number represents the size of the phase space, when a more useful metric would be the size (Kolmogorov complexity) of the average point *in* the phase space. There is a world of difference between the number of patterns that can

RE: [agi] Discovering the Capacity of Human Memory

2003-09-16 Thread James Rogers
Eliezer wrote: Are you talking about the average point in the phase space in the sense of an average empirical human brain, or in the sense of a randomly selected point in the phase space? I assume you mean the former, since, for the latter question, if you have a simple program P that

Re: [agi] Discovering the Capacity of Human Memory

2003-09-16 Thread Eliezer S. Yudkowsky
The Tao is the set of truths that can be stored in zero bits. -- Eliezer S. Yudkowsky http://singinst.org/ Research Fellow, Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please