Re: [agi] Early AGI apps

2002-11-09 Thread Cliff Stabbert
Saturday, November 9, 2002, 2:27:43 PM, Ben Goertzel wrote: BG No question there! Proto-AGI-based applications can certainly outperform BG narrow-AI-based applications in some areas. BG The problem is that in many market niches, performance (in the sense of BG intelligent performance) doesn't

[agi] Automated Turing Test

2002-12-11 Thread Cliff Stabbert
(via Metafilter) http://www.captcha.net/ aims to provide automated testing to distinguish humans from bots on the web to prevent e.g. ballot stuffing at online opinion polls, spammers automating yahoo mail signups, and the like. NYTimes article at

Re[3]: [agi] TLoZ: Link's Awakening.

2002-12-11 Thread Cliff Stabbert
Thursday, December 12, 2002, 1:19:47 AM, Cliff Stabbert wrote: A clarification: CS I'm not quite getting their generic space and CS blended space concepts; it all seems a bit forced and CS overabstracted. In their monk-mountain and regatta-race examples I get the mental overlapping of the same

Re[2]: [agi] Early Apps.

2002-12-26 Thread Cliff Stabbert
Thursday, December 26, 2002, 4:44:25 PM, Alan Grimes wrote: AG A human level intelligence requires arbitrary acess to AG visual/phonetic/other faculties in order to be intelligent. In order to communicate intelligently and intelligibly with us, yes. In order to _be_ intelligent, no. AG A system

[agi] Language and AGI (was Re: Early Apps)

2002-12-27 Thread Cliff Stabbert
Friday, December 27, 2002, 5:15:40 AM, Shane Legg wrote: SL One other thing; if one really is focused on natural language SL learning why not make things a little easier and use an artificial SL language like Esperanto? Unlike like highly artificial languages SL like logic based or maths based

Re: [agi] Chess Master Theory Of AGI.

2003-01-03 Thread Cliff Stabbert
Friday, January 3, 2003, 11:37:15 PM, Mike Deering wrote: MDThe intelligence of computer software keeps constant with the MDcapability of the $1000 desktop. I strongly disagree. The intelligence of computer software has remained pretty constant. The feature lists (and memory, disk and

Re[2]: [agi] The Next Wave

2003-01-10 Thread Cliff Stabbert
Friday, January 10, 2003, 10:36:35 PM, Kevin Copple wrote: KC Well, my The Next Wave post was intended to be humorous. I not that much KC of a comedian, so I may have weighed in too heavily on apparently serious. KC Let me apologize to the extent it was a feebly frivolous failure. The line

Re: [agi] AIXI and Solomonoff induction

2003-02-11 Thread Cliff Stabbert
Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 9:44:31 PM, Shane Legg wrote: SL However even within this scenario the concept of fixed goal is SL something that we need to be careful about. The only real goal SL of the AIXI system is to get as much reward as possible from its SL environment. A goal is just our

Re[2]: [agi] AIXI and Solomonoff induction

2003-02-11 Thread Cliff Stabbert
Wednesday, February 12, 2003, 12:00:56 AM, Shane Legg wrote: SL Yes, if the universe is not somehow predicatble in the sense of SL being compressible then the AI will be screwed. It doesn't have SL to be prefectly predictable; it just can't be random noise. Thanks for your responses. Some more

Re: [agi] unbreakable data encryption

2003-02-15 Thread Cliff Stabbert
Saturday, February 15, 2003, 1:25:19 PM, Daniel Colonnese wrote: DC A few days ago this article came out: DC http://www.israel21c.org/bin/en.jsp?enPage=BlankPageenDisplay=viewenDi DC spWhat=objectenDispWho=Articles%5El306enZone=TechnologyenVersion=0 DC A company called Meganet is claiming that

Re: [agi] A probabilistic/algorithmic puzzle...

2003-02-20 Thread Cliff Stabbert
Thursday, February 20, 2003, 10:58:57 AM, Ben Goertzel wrote: BG OK... I can see that I formulated the problem too formally for a lot of BG people BG I will now rephrase it in the context of a specific test problem. snip BG I don't know if this test problem will clarify things or confuse them

Re: [agi] A probabilistic/algorithmic puzzle...

2003-02-20 Thread Cliff Stabbert
Thursday, February 20, 2003, 2:25:54 PM, Ben Goertzel wrote: BG The basic situation can be thought of as follows. snip Thanks, this does clarify things a lot. Your first statement of the problem did leave some things out though...but, perhaps unsurprisingly, I'm still a bit puzzled. I don't

Re: [agi] A probabilistic/algorithmic puzzle...

2003-02-20 Thread Cliff Stabbert
Thursday, February 20, 2003, 8:11:48 PM, Ben Goertzel wrote: CS Somehow I see this ending up as finding a set a bell curves (i.e. CS their height, spread and optimum) for each estimate. That is to say I CS don't see *just* the probability as relevant but the probability CS distribution...if I

Re: [agi] Spatial vs. Kinesthetic Thought (was: the Place system of the rodent hippocampus)

2003-02-24 Thread Cliff Stabbert
Monday, February 24, 2003, 6:08:43 PM, Ben Goertzel wrote: BG Hmmm... BG So, I'm thinking: The human brain is wired to do a lot of abstract cognition BG in terms of metaphorical maps of the environment, and these are tied in with BG macro-world classical physics I think the spatial/visual

Re: [agi] the Place system of the rodent hippocampus

2003-02-24 Thread Cliff Stabbert
Monday, February 24, 2003, 8:24:22 PM, Ben Goertzel wrote: BG I wrote, pertaining to problems of positive feedback causing erroneous or BG uncontrollable dynamics: The fact that similar problems occur in Novamente inference as well as in the brain, suggests that they're general

Re: [agi] more interesting stuff

2003-02-25 Thread Cliff Stabbert
Tuesday, February 25, 2003, 11:19:50 AM, Brad Wyble wrote: CS So what I've been picturing is that organisms, in evolving, are CS absorbing complexity from the Universe around them. And although I CS used to think evolution always strives for more complexity, lately I CS see this a bit

Re: [agi] more interesting stuff

2003-02-25 Thread Cliff Stabbert
Tuesday, February 25, 2003, 10:12:07 AM, Ben Goertzel wrote: BG I view complexity as part of a web of concepts that also, centrally, BG includes pattern BG Roughly, an entity is complex if there are a whole lot of patterns in it BG (statically or dynamically) BG On the other hand, what is a

Re: [agi] more interesting stuff

2003-02-25 Thread Cliff Stabbert
Tuesday, February 25, 2003, 12:46:12 PM, Brad Wyble wrote: BW Consider the following thought experiment: a computer able to BW simulate the earth down to an atomic level (let's put aside the BW possibility that quantum phenomena influence events on the scale BW of earth-life). This system has 1

Re: [agi] Hard Wired Switch

2003-03-02 Thread Cliff Stabbert
Monday, March 3, 2003, 1:18:18 AM, Kevin Copple wrote: KC Here's an idea (if it hasn't already been considered before): KC In each executing component of an AGI has Control Code. This Control Code KC monitors a Big Red Switch. If the switch is turned on, execution proceeds KC normally. If

Re: [agi] Fw: Do This! Its hysterical!! It works!!

2003-07-20 Thread Cliff Stabbert
Hi, Brad Wyble wrote: BW I use elm so I couldn't tell, was there a virus riding on that? BW BW Just curious. Having read the core of the message being forwarded, I was a bit suspicious. It didn't make sense as a virus, it didn't make sense to me that people forward it. See

Re: [agi] funky robot kits and AGI

2003-08-27 Thread Cliff Stabbert
Ben wrote: BG Oddly, the biggest problem with these robots, in terms of AGI, is probably BG the limited battery life (for the robot, and the onboard laptop, whose BG batteries run down fast when running the robot control software). Half an BG hour is not enough time to learn much, and no human

Re: [agi] Web Consciousness and self consciousness

2003-09-11 Thread Cliff Stabbert
arnoud wrote: a Well, to name internal events, there have to be rules/criteria for correct use a of a term/name, like always for any use of language. How do you know how to a use the word 'pain' for example, how did you learn its rule(s)? Well probably a from your parents who told you you were

Re: [agi] Web Consciousness and self consciousness

2003-09-12 Thread Cliff Stabbert
arnoud, first off let me apologize for my tone (not necessarily my content) towards the end. I shouldn't post when I'm out of coffee ;) arnoud: a Yes, of course. Pain without pain behaviour, and also pain a behaviour without pain can happen. The point is that if that were a the case most of the

Re: [agi] Web Consciousness and self consciousness

2003-09-14 Thread Cliff Stabbert
Hi, you wrote: a I don't quite follow this train of thought. Physicalism to me is a justified by the success of the natural sciences with their a materialist ontology of atoms, electrons, molecules and so on. It is entirely possible to use the scientific method and its fruits without buying into

Re: [agi] Web Consciousness and self consciousness

2003-09-15 Thread Cliff Stabbert
arnoud: a On Sunday 14 September 2003 16:31, Cliff Stabbert wrote: aca I don't quite follow this train of thought. Physicalism to me is aca justified by the success of the natural sciences with their aca materialist ontology of atoms, electrons, molecules and so on. ac ac It is entirely possible