Re: [apple-crop] apple size

[Kushad, Mosbah M]

Hi David: sorry for sending it to you..  It was intended for someone else.. 
Mosbah 

-Original Message-
From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net 
[mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] On Behalf Of David Kollas
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:11 PM
To: Apple-crop discussion list
Subject: Re: [apple-crop] apple size



Mosbah:

I wonder if the attached PDF might not have been what you intended?  Or 
maybe it was sent to an unintended address?

David

On Jan 13, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Kushad, Mosbah M <kus...@illinois.edu> wrote:

> 

___
apple-crop mailing list
apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
___
apple-crop mailing list
apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop

Re: [apple-crop] apple size

[David Kollas]

Mosbah:

I wonder if the attached PDF might not have been what you intended?  Or 
maybe it was sent to an unintended
address?

David

On Jan 13, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Kushad, Mosbah M  wrote:

> 

___
apple-crop mailing list
apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop

Re: [apple-crop] apple size

[Jon Clements]

Hi Bill, the Morren's Jonagored Supra on B.9 were grown at the UMass Cold
Spring Orchard in Belchertown, MA in a super-spindle system. Unfortunately,
we lost these trees to a freak October snowstorm (in 2011?) when the
support system failed. I don't see their chilling requirements being any
different than any other Jonagold, whatever that is?

Here's a few picts from way back on what the trees and fruit looked like,
and the trees demise, if you are interested.

http://fruit.umext.umass.edu/picts/morrensjonagold051205bloom.jpg

http://fruit.umext.umass.edu/picts/morrensjonagold092605trees.jpg (not
exactly a heavy set)

http://fruit.umext.umass.edu/picts/morrensjonagold092605fruit.jpg

http://fruit.umext.umass.edu/picts/jonagolddownsnow.jpg

http://fruit.umext.umass.edu/picts/jonagolddown2011.jpg

On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Shoemaker, William H <wshoe...@illinois.edu
> wrote:

> What region did you observe the Morren's Jonagored Supra on B9 Jon? Can
> you say something about chilling requirement for that cultivar? I think
> Jonagold is an excellent apple for fresh eating. If the New England Apple
> Association wants to brand it, I think they are making a good choice.
>
> Bill
>
> *William H. Shoemaker *
>
> *Retired fruit and vegetable horticulturist*
>
> *University of Illinois*
>
> wshoe...@illinois.edu
> --
> *From:* apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [
> apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] on behalf of Jon Clements [
> jon.cleme...@umass.edu]
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2016 4:56 PM
> *To:* Apple-crop discussion list
> *Subject:* Re: [apple-crop] apple size
>
> Root pruning: YES
> Withhold nitrogen: YES
> Minimize dormant pruning, do some summer pruning (but don't remove fruit):
> YES
> Use Apogee: YES
> Over-crop: YES maybe, but use NAA and/or Ethrel to promote return bloom
> development
> Use B.9 rootstock (as opposed to M.9): YES
> Make sure you have enough variety to pollinate: YES
>
> I found Morren's Jonagored Supra (Willow Drive) grown on B.9 rootstock to
> be a very nice Jonagold strain. Good crops without too many large fruit.
> Still have to watch biennial bearing. I would plant that strain in a
> heartbeat if I want Jonagold.
>
> Did you hear New England Apple Association is going to brand Jonagold
> apples grown in New England? Not sure, however, what they are calling it?
>
> Any other ideas out there?
>
> Jon
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Hugh Thomas <hughthoma...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I've always wondered about root pruning with a deep running and large
>> disk. Just a thought...
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 11:48 AM, David Kollas <kol...@frontier.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Art:
>>>
>>> I don’t know whence the observations or measurements
>>> have come, but I saw a rootstock comparison
>>> in which G202 was said to produce “smaller fruit size.”   For
>>> the reason you mention, I hope this is true, and of
>>> more than just statistical significance.  I suspect that if it
>>> were a practical difference, we would have heard more
>>> about it.
>>>
>>> David Kollas
>>> Kollas Orchard, Connecticut
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 9, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Arthur Kelly <kellyorcha...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Any suggestions out there for how to reduce fruit size without getting
>>> into biennial bearing as in not thinning?  Some varieties (Jonagold) would
>>> be more marketable if they were 2.75 - 3.0" instead of all more than 3.0".
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Art Kelly
>>> > Kelly Orchards
>>> > Acton, ME
>>> > ___
>>> > apple-crop mailing list
>>> > apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
>>> > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__virtualorchard.net_mailman_listinfo_apple-2Dcrop=BQMFaQ=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ=1ejiT2NQyeKzdraKv8xrAbS0Mb4hB-tICIci2skuNv8=Hqq9Z6y5B9TNZ_9uOOp_yPhDCrjsh2nAbw-m9OO3M3s=V2zkAU1v4QS4CuU-kRUNoAnna22k1wBv9M-ekLVvzyE=>
>>>
>>> ___
>>> apple-crop mailing list
>>> apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
>>> http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__virtualorchard.net_mailman_listinfo_apple-2Dcrop=BQMFaQ=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ=1ejiT2NQyeKzdraKv8xrAbS0Mb4hB-tICIci2skuNv8=Hqq9Z6y5B9TNZ_9u

Re: [apple-crop] apple size

[John Bruguiere]

anyone out there on the east coast have a good source for white 
reflective ground cover? Apparently Extenday is only available in 
Washington state and California.

John Bruguiere
Dickie Bros. Orchard

On 1/11/2016 9:44 AM, Hugh Thomas wrote:
Another way to reduce N is to grow grass under the trees and mow and 
bag the grass and haul the grass clippings away.  Sounds labor 
intensive but hot so bad if you use a commercial mower.


On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 6:47 AM, Arthur Kelly <kellyorcha...@gmail.com 
<mailto:kellyorcha...@gmail.com>> wrote:


We are trying some hard-cider blends with them Mo.

Art

On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 8:53 PM, maurice tougas
<appleman.maur...@gmail.com <mailto:appleman.maur...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

"JuicyGold".

On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Shoemaker, William H
<wshoe...@illinois.edu <mailto:wshoe...@illinois.edu>> wrote:

What region did you observe the Morren's Jonagored Supra
on B9 Jon? Can you say something about chilling
requirement for that cultivar? I think Jonagold is an
excellent apple for fresh eating. If the New England Apple
Association wants to brand it, I think they are making a
good choice.

Bill

*William H. Shoemaker *

/Retired fruit and vegetable horticulturist/

/University of Illinois/

wshoe...@illinois.edu <mailto:wshoe...@illinois.edu>



*From:* apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net
<mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net>
[apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net
<mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net>] on behalf
of Jon Clements [jon.cleme...@umass.edu
<mailto:jon.cleme...@umass.edu>]
*Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2016 4:56 PM
        *To:* Apple-crop discussion list
*Subject:* Re: [apple-crop] apple size

Root pruning: YES
Withhold nitrogen: YES
Minimize dormant pruning, do some summer pruning (but
don't remove fruit): YES
Use Apogee: YES
Over-crop: YES maybe, but use NAA and/or Ethrel to promote
return bloom development
Use B.9 rootstock (as opposed to M.9): YES
Make sure you have enough variety to pollinate: YES

I found Morren's Jonagored Supra (Willow Drive) grown on
B.9 rootstock to be a very nice Jonagold strain. Good
crops without too many large fruit. Still have to watch
biennial bearing. I would plant that strain in a heartbeat
if I want Jonagold.

Did you hear New England Apple Association is going to
brand Jonagold apples grown in New England? Not sure,
however, what they are calling it?

Any other ideas out there?

Jon

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Hugh Thomas
<hughthoma...@gmail.com <mailto:hughthoma...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

I've always wondered about root pruning with a deep
running and large disk. Just a thought...

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 11:48 AM, David Kollas
<kol...@frontier.com <mailto:kol...@frontier.com>> wrote:



Art:

  I don’t know whence the observations or
measurements have come, but I saw a rootstock
comparison
in which G202 was said to produce “smaller
fruit size.”   For the reason you mention, I hope
this is true, and of
more than just statistical significance. I
suspect that if it were a practical difference, we
would have heard more
about it.

David Kollas
Kollas Orchard, Connecticut


On Jan 9, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Arthur Kelly
<kellyorcha...@gmail.com
<mailto:kellyorcha...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> Any suggestions out there for how to reduce
fruit size without getting into biennial bearing
as in not thinning? Some varieties (Jonagold)
would be more marketable if they were 2.75 - 3.0"
instead of all more than 3.0".
>
> --
> Art Kelly
> Kelly Orchards
> Acton, ME
> ___
  

Re: [apple-crop] apple size

[Arthur Kelly]

We are trying some hard-cider blends with them Mo.

Art

On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 8:53 PM, maurice tougas <appleman.maur...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> "JuicyGold".
>
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Shoemaker, William H <
> wshoe...@illinois.edu> wrote:
>
>> What region did you observe the Morren's Jonagored Supra on B9 Jon? Can
>> you say something about chilling requirement for that cultivar? I think
>> Jonagold is an excellent apple for fresh eating. If the New England Apple
>> Association wants to brand it, I think they are making a good choice.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> *William H. Shoemaker *
>>
>> *Retired fruit and vegetable horticulturist*
>>
>> *University of Illinois*
>>
>> wshoe...@illinois.edu
>> --
>> *From:* apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [
>> apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] on behalf of Jon Clements [
>> jon.cleme...@umass.edu]
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2016 4:56 PM
>> *To:* Apple-crop discussion list
>> *Subject:* Re: [apple-crop] apple size
>>
>> Root pruning: YES
>> Withhold nitrogen: YES
>> Minimize dormant pruning, do some summer pruning (but don't remove
>> fruit): YES
>> Use Apogee: YES
>> Over-crop: YES maybe, but use NAA and/or Ethrel to promote return bloom
>> development
>> Use B.9 rootstock (as opposed to M.9): YES
>> Make sure you have enough variety to pollinate: YES
>>
>> I found Morren's Jonagored Supra (Willow Drive) grown on B.9 rootstock to
>> be a very nice Jonagold strain. Good crops without too many large fruit.
>> Still have to watch biennial bearing. I would plant that strain in a
>> heartbeat if I want Jonagold.
>>
>> Did you hear New England Apple Association is going to brand Jonagold
>> apples grown in New England? Not sure, however, what they are calling it?
>>
>> Any other ideas out there?
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Hugh Thomas <hughthoma...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've always wondered about root pruning with a deep running and large
>>> disk. Just a thought...
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 11:48 AM, David Kollas <kol...@frontier.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Art:
>>>>
>>>> I don’t know whence the observations or measurements
>>>> have come, but I saw a rootstock comparison
>>>> in which G202 was said to produce “smaller fruit size.”   For
>>>> the reason you mention, I hope this is true, and of
>>>> more than just statistical significance.  I suspect that if it
>>>> were a practical difference, we would have heard more
>>>> about it.
>>>>
>>>> David Kollas
>>>> Kollas Orchard, Connecticut
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 9, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Arthur Kelly <kellyorcha...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Any suggestions out there for how to reduce fruit size without
>>>> getting into biennial bearing as in not thinning?  Some varieties
>>>> (Jonagold) would be more marketable if they were 2.75 - 3.0" instead of all
>>>> more than 3.0".
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Art Kelly
>>>> > Kelly Orchards
>>>> > Acton, ME
>>>> > ___
>>>> > apple-crop mailing list
>>>> > apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
>>>> > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__virtualorchard.net_mailman_listinfo_apple-2Dcrop=BQMFaQ=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ=1ejiT2NQyeKzdraKv8xrAbS0Mb4hB-tICIci2skuNv8=Hqq9Z6y5B9TNZ_9uOOp_yPhDCrjsh2nAbw-m9OO3M3s=V2zkAU1v4QS4CuU-kRUNoAnna22k1wBv9M-ekLVvzyE=>
>>>>
>>>> ___
>>>> apple-crop mailing list
>>>> apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
>>>> http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__virtualorchard.net_mailman_listinfo_apple-2Dcrop=BQMFaQ=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ=1ejiT2NQyeKzdraKv8xrAbS0Mb4hB-tICIci2skuNv8=Hqq9Z6y5B9TNZ_9uOOp_yPhDCrjsh2nAbw-m9OO3M3s=V2zkAU1v4QS4CuU-kRUNoAnna22k1wBv9M-ekLVvzyE=>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ___
>>> apple-crop mailing list
>>> a

Re: [apple-crop] apple size

[Hugh Thomas]

Another way to reduce N is to grow grass under the trees and mow and bag
the grass and haul the grass clippings away.  Sounds labor intensive but
hot so bad if you use a commercial mower.

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 6:47 AM, Arthur Kelly <kellyorcha...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> We are trying some hard-cider blends with them Mo.
>
> Art
>
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 8:53 PM, maurice tougas <
> appleman.maur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "JuicyGold".
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Shoemaker, William H <
>> wshoe...@illinois.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> What region did you observe the Morren's Jonagored Supra on B9 Jon? Can
>>> you say something about chilling requirement for that cultivar? I think
>>> Jonagold is an excellent apple for fresh eating. If the New England Apple
>>> Association wants to brand it, I think they are making a good choice.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> *William H. Shoemaker *
>>>
>>> *Retired fruit and vegetable horticulturist*
>>>
>>> *University of Illinois*
>>>
>>> wshoe...@illinois.edu
>>> --
>>> *From:* apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net [
>>> apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] on behalf of Jon Clements [
>>> jon.cleme...@umass.edu]
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2016 4:56 PM
>>> *To:* Apple-crop discussion list
>>> *Subject:* Re: [apple-crop] apple size
>>>
>>> Root pruning: YES
>>> Withhold nitrogen: YES
>>> Minimize dormant pruning, do some summer pruning (but don't remove
>>> fruit): YES
>>> Use Apogee: YES
>>> Over-crop: YES maybe, but use NAA and/or Ethrel to promote return bloom
>>> development
>>> Use B.9 rootstock (as opposed to M.9): YES
>>> Make sure you have enough variety to pollinate: YES
>>>
>>> I found Morren's Jonagored Supra (Willow Drive) grown on B.9 rootstock
>>> to be a very nice Jonagold strain. Good crops without too many large fruit.
>>> Still have to watch biennial bearing. I would plant that strain in a
>>> heartbeat if I want Jonagold.
>>>
>>> Did you hear New England Apple Association is going to brand Jonagold
>>> apples grown in New England? Not sure, however, what they are calling it?
>>>
>>> Any other ideas out there?
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Hugh Thomas <hughthoma...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've always wondered about root pruning with a deep running and large
>>>> disk. Just a thought...
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 11:48 AM, David Kollas <kol...@frontier.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Art:
>>>>>
>>>>> I don’t know whence the observations or measurements
>>>>> have come, but I saw a rootstock comparison
>>>>> in which G202 was said to produce “smaller fruit size.”   For
>>>>> the reason you mention, I hope this is true, and of
>>>>> more than just statistical significance.  I suspect that if it
>>>>> were a practical difference, we would have heard more
>>>>> about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> David Kollas
>>>>> Kollas Orchard, Connecticut
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 9, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Arthur Kelly <kellyorcha...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Any suggestions out there for how to reduce fruit size without
>>>>> getting into biennial bearing as in not thinning?  Some varieties
>>>>> (Jonagold) would be more marketable if they were 2.75 - 3.0" instead of 
>>>>> all
>>>>> more than 3.0".
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > Art Kelly
>>>>> > Kelly Orchards
>>>>> > Acton, ME
>>>>> > ___
>>>>> > apple-crop mailing list
>>>>> > apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
>>>>> > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__virtualorchard.net_mailman_listinfo_apple-2Dcrop=BQMFaQ=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ=1ejiT2NQyeKzdraKv8xrAbS0Mb4hB-tICIci2skuNv8=Hqq9Z6y5B9TNZ_9uOOp_yPhDCrjsh2nAbw-m9OO3M3s=V2zkAU1v4QS4CuU-kRUNoAnna22k1wBv9M-ekLVv

Re: [apple-crop] apple size

[Jourdain Jean-Marc]

My 2 cents.
I wouldn’t be that confident on effect of reduce nitrogen on lowering size 
fruit.
In our trials, with very good soil conditions, and good climate (well... 
usually), leading to nitrogen release from the soil, and nitrogen storage in 
wooden tissues :
- We get a very slow impact of reducing nitrogen levels let’s say about 5 years 
to notice a measurable effect.
- In the 6-7 years range, we see a reduced fruit set, a better effect of 
thinning agent which means less fruit and as you imagine, better fruit size.

Of course in skeletics soils with low levels of organic matter it could be 
different.

Jean Marc Jourdain
CTIFL

De : apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net 
[mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] De la part de Jon Clements
Envoyé : dimanche 10 janvier 2016 23:57
À : Apple-crop discussion list
Objet : Re: [apple-crop] apple size

Root pruning: YES
Withhold nitrogen: YES
Minimize dormant pruning, do some summer pruning (but don't remove fruit): YES
Use Apogee: YES
Over-crop: YES maybe, but use NAA and/or Ethrel to promote return bloom 
development
Use B.9 rootstock (as opposed to M.9): YES
Make sure you have enough variety to pollinate: YES

I found Morren's Jonagored Supra (Willow Drive) grown on B.9 rootstock to be a 
very nice Jonagold strain. Good crops without too many large fruit. Still have 
to watch biennial bearing. I would plant that strain in a heartbeat if I want 
Jonagold.

Did you hear New England Apple Association is going to brand Jonagold apples 
grown in New England? Not sure, however, what they are calling it?

Any other ideas out there?

Jon

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Hugh Thomas 
<hughthoma...@gmail.com<mailto:hughthoma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I've always wondered about root pruning with a deep running and large disk. 
Just a thought...

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 11:48 AM, David Kollas 
<kol...@frontier.com<mailto:kol...@frontier.com>> wrote:


Art:

I don’t know whence the observations or measurements have come, 
but I saw a rootstock comparison
in which G202 was said to produce “smaller fruit size.”   For the 
reason you mention, I hope this is true, and of
more than just statistical significance.  I suspect that if it were a 
practical difference, we would have heard more
about it.

David Kollas
Kollas Orchard, Connecticut


On Jan 9, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Arthur Kelly 
<kellyorcha...@gmail.com<mailto:kellyorcha...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> Any suggestions out there for how to reduce fruit size without getting into 
> biennial bearing as in not thinning?  Some varieties (Jonagold) would be more 
> marketable if they were 2.75 - 3.0" instead of all more than 3.0".
>
> --
> Art Kelly
> Kelly Orchards
> Acton, ME
> ___
> apple-crop mailing list
> apple-crop@virtualorchard.net<mailto:apple-crop@virtualorchard.net>
> http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop

___
apple-crop mailing list
apple-crop@virtualorchard.net<mailto:apple-crop@virtualorchard.net>
http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop


___
apple-crop mailing list
apple-crop@virtualorchard.net<mailto:apple-crop@virtualorchard.net>
http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop



--
Jon Clements
aka 'Mr Honeycrisp'
UMass Cold Spring Orchard
393 Sabin St.
Belchertown, MA  01007
413-478-7219
umassfruit.com<http://umassfruit.com>
___
apple-crop mailing list
apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop

Re: [apple-crop] apple size

[Jon Clements]

Root pruning: YES
Withhold nitrogen: YES
Minimize dormant pruning, do some summer pruning (but don't remove fruit):
YES
Use Apogee: YES
Over-crop: YES maybe, but use NAA and/or Ethrel to promote return bloom
development
Use B.9 rootstock (as opposed to M.9): YES
Make sure you have enough variety to pollinate: YES

I found Morren's Jonagored Supra (Willow Drive) grown on B.9 rootstock to
be a very nice Jonagold strain. Good crops without too many large fruit.
Still have to watch biennial bearing. I would plant that strain in a
heartbeat if I want Jonagold.

Did you hear New England Apple Association is going to brand Jonagold
apples grown in New England? Not sure, however, what they are calling it?

Any other ideas out there?

Jon

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Hugh Thomas  wrote:

> I've always wondered about root pruning with a deep running and large
> disk. Just a thought...
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 11:48 AM, David Kollas  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Art:
>>
>> I don’t know whence the observations or measurements have
>> come, but I saw a rootstock comparison
>> in which G202 was said to produce “smaller fruit size.”   For the
>> reason you mention, I hope this is true, and of
>> more than just statistical significance.  I suspect that if it
>> were a practical difference, we would have heard more
>> about it.
>>
>> David Kollas
>> Kollas Orchard, Connecticut
>>
>>
>> On Jan 9, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Arthur Kelly 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Any suggestions out there for how to reduce fruit size without getting
>> into biennial bearing as in not thinning?  Some varieties (Jonagold) would
>> be more marketable if they were 2.75 - 3.0" instead of all more than 3.0".
>> >
>> > --
>> > Art Kelly
>> > Kelly Orchards
>> > Acton, ME
>> > ___
>> > apple-crop mailing list
>> > apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
>> > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
>>
>> ___
>> apple-crop mailing list
>> apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
>> http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
>>
>
>
> ___
> apple-crop mailing list
> apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
> http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
>
>


-- 
Jon Clements
aka 'Mr Honeycrisp'
UMass Cold Spring Orchard
393 Sabin St.
Belchertown, MA  01007
413-478-7219
umassfruit.com
___
apple-crop mailing list
apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop

Re: [apple-crop] apple size

[Shoemaker, William H]

What region did you observe the Morren's Jonagored Supra on B9 Jon? Can you say 
something about chilling requirement for that cultivar? I think Jonagold is an 
excellent apple for fresh eating. If the New England Apple Association wants to 
brand it, I think they are making a good choice.

Bill

William H. Shoemaker

Retired fruit and vegetable horticulturist

University of Illinois

wshoe...@illinois.edu<mailto:wshoe...@illinois.edu>


From: apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net 
[apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.net] on behalf of Jon Clements 
[jon.cleme...@umass.edu]
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 4:56 PM
To: Apple-crop discussion list
Subject: Re: [apple-crop] apple size

Root pruning: YES
Withhold nitrogen: YES
Minimize dormant pruning, do some summer pruning (but don't remove fruit): YES
Use Apogee: YES
Over-crop: YES maybe, but use NAA and/or Ethrel to promote return bloom 
development
Use B.9 rootstock (as opposed to M.9): YES
Make sure you have enough variety to pollinate: YES

I found Morren's Jonagored Supra (Willow Drive) grown on B.9 rootstock to be a 
very nice Jonagold strain. Good crops without too many large fruit. Still have 
to watch biennial bearing. I would plant that strain in a heartbeat if I want 
Jonagold.

Did you hear New England Apple Association is going to brand Jonagold apples 
grown in New England? Not sure, however, what they are calling it?

Any other ideas out there?

Jon

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Hugh Thomas 
<hughthoma...@gmail.com<mailto:hughthoma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I've always wondered about root pruning with a deep running and large disk. 
Just a thought...

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 11:48 AM, David Kollas 
<kol...@frontier.com<mailto:kol...@frontier.com>> wrote:


Art:

I don’t know whence the observations or measurements have come, 
but I saw a rootstock comparison
in which G202 was said to produce “smaller fruit size.”   For the 
reason you mention, I hope this is true, and of
more than just statistical significance.  I suspect that if it were a 
practical difference, we would have heard more
about it.

David Kollas
Kollas Orchard, Connecticut


On Jan 9, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Arthur Kelly 
<kellyorcha...@gmail.com<mailto:kellyorcha...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> Any suggestions out there for how to reduce fruit size without getting into 
> biennial bearing as in not thinning?  Some varieties (Jonagold) would be more 
> marketable if they were 2.75 - 3.0" instead of all more than 3.0".
>
> --
> Art Kelly
> Kelly Orchards
> Acton, ME
> ___
> apple-crop mailing list
> apple-crop@virtualorchard.net<mailto:apple-crop@virtualorchard.net>
> http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__virtualorchard.net_mailman_listinfo_apple-2Dcrop=BQMFaQ=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ=1ejiT2NQyeKzdraKv8xrAbS0Mb4hB-tICIci2skuNv8=Hqq9Z6y5B9TNZ_9uOOp_yPhDCrjsh2nAbw-m9OO3M3s=V2zkAU1v4QS4CuU-kRUNoAnna22k1wBv9M-ekLVvzyE=>

___
apple-crop mailing list
apple-crop@virtualorchard.net<mailto:apple-crop@virtualorchard.net>
http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__virtualorchard.net_mailman_listinfo_apple-2Dcrop=BQMFaQ=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ=1ejiT2NQyeKzdraKv8xrAbS0Mb4hB-tICIci2skuNv8=Hqq9Z6y5B9TNZ_9uOOp_yPhDCrjsh2nAbw-m9OO3M3s=V2zkAU1v4QS4CuU-kRUNoAnna22k1wBv9M-ekLVvzyE=>


___
apple-crop mailing list
apple-crop@virtualorchard.net<mailto:apple-crop@virtualorchard.net>
http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__virtualorchard.net_mailman_listinfo_apple-2Dcrop=BQMFaQ=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ=1ejiT2NQyeKzdraKv8xrAbS0Mb4hB-tICIci2skuNv8=Hqq9Z6y5B9TNZ_9uOOp_yPhDCrjsh2nAbw-m9OO3M3s=V2zkAU1v4QS4CuU-kRUNoAnna22k1wBv9M-ekLVvzyE=>




--
Jon Clements
aka 'Mr Honeycrisp'
UMass Cold Spring Orchard
393 Sabin St.
Belchertown, MA  01007
413-478-7219
umassfruit.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__umassfruit.com=BQMFaQ=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ=1ejiT2NQyeKzdraKv8xrAbS0Mb4hB-tICIci2skuNv8=Hqq9Z6y5B9TNZ_9uOOp_yPhDCrjsh2nAbw-m9OO3M3s=sXvQy899WAd74qds2MsdYkAMLLqLGRrS7hY8Gu-Dg-4=>
___
apple-crop mailing list
apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop

[apple-crop] apple size

[Arthur Kelly]

Any suggestions out there for how to reduce fruit size without getting into
biennial bearing as in not thinning?  Some varieties (Jonagold) would be
more marketable if they were 2.75 - 3.0" instead of all more than 3.0".

-- 
Art Kelly
Kelly Orchards
Acton, ME
___
apple-crop mailing list
apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop

Re: [apple-crop] apple size

[Hugh Thomas]

I've always wondered about root pruning with a deep running and large disk.
Just a thought...

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 11:48 AM, David Kollas  wrote:

>
>
> Art:
>
> I don’t know whence the observations or measurements have
> come, but I saw a rootstock comparison
> in which G202 was said to produce “smaller fruit size.”   For the
> reason you mention, I hope this is true, and of
> more than just statistical significance.  I suspect that if it
> were a practical difference, we would have heard more
> about it.
>
> David Kollas
> Kollas Orchard, Connecticut
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Arthur Kelly  wrote:
>
> > Any suggestions out there for how to reduce fruit size without getting
> into biennial bearing as in not thinning?  Some varieties (Jonagold) would
> be more marketable if they were 2.75 - 3.0" instead of all more than 3.0".
> >
> > --
> > Art Kelly
> > Kelly Orchards
> > Acton, ME
> > ___
> > apple-crop mailing list
> > apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
> > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
>
> ___
> apple-crop mailing list
> apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
> http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop
>
___
apple-crop mailing list
apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop