Re: [Aus-soaring] Handicaps

2011-08-18 Thread nimb...@internode.on.net
I fully agree with Gary and Mike D the handicaps for the 19 20m gliders need improving for these gliders to be competitive in open class With respect to the current generation of 18m gliders the handicaps for flying these in open class should be such to discourage this from happening or ban

Re: [Aus-soaring] Handicaps

2011-08-18 Thread Robert Hart
On 18/08/11 11:26, Ross McLean wrote: Hi Robert I note that the Nimbus 2 has a handicap equivalent to an ASW20. The Nimbus 4DM has the same handicap as an ASG29. Ross I haven't noticed many ASW20's flying in open class, so I really don't see the relevance of that comment. What I do

Re: [Aus-soaring] Handicaps

2011-08-18 Thread Mike Durrant
Give me the ASW20 any day :-) Best Regards, Mike Durrant VH-FQF On 18/08/2011, at 11:26 AM, Ross McLean ross...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi Robert I note that the Nimbus 2 has a handicap equivalent to an ASW20. The Nimbus 4DM has the same handicap as an ASG29. ROSS From:

Re: [Aus-soaring] Handicaps

2011-08-18 Thread gstevo10
Hi Mike and All, If you really want to buy one, I have HDY (15/16.6m configurations), with many extras ready to go, with a fresh Form 2, at around $60,000! Google Mike Maddock's site at Maddog Composites, and check out Trading Post for basic details and a photo. If this appeals, either email me

Re: [Aus-soaring] Handicaps

2011-08-18 Thread Mark Goodley
JUST FLY FASTER ! From: gstev...@bigpond.com To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net CC: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:16:48 +1000 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Handicaps Hi Mike and All, If you really want to buy one, I have HDY (15/16.6m configurations),

Re: [Aus-soaring] Handicaps

2011-08-18 Thread Ross McLean
Hi Robert It wasn't a gratuitous statement honestly. I was just trying to show that the relationship between the Nimbus and the equivalent age 15 Metre hasn't changed. The ASW20 is from the same era as the Nimbus 2 and the ASG29 is the same era as the Nimbus 4. Plus Open Class is just that, there

Re: [Aus-soaring] Handicaps

2011-08-18 Thread tom claffey
In the late 70s were 15M speeds faster than open class speeds? I think Malcom Jinks and Tony Tabart would disagree! Tom From: Mike Durrant durr...@gmail.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc:

Re: [Aus-soaring] Handicaps

2011-08-18 Thread Mike Durrant
Back in the 80s I remember flying GOD in Nationals at Waikerie where we started as soon as we could and finished most days at dusk just squeezing home over the fence.long time since I have flown those kind of tasks.once you cruise all day above 80 give me a ASW 20...it's

Re: [Aus-soaring] Handicaps

2011-08-18 Thread Mike Durrant
And hit the ground earlier :-) Best Regards, Mike Durrant VH-FQF On 18/08/2011, at 10:20 PM, Mark Goodley markgood...@hotmail.com wrote: JUST FLY FASTER ! From: gstev...@bigpond.com To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net CC: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011

Re: [Aus-soaring] Handicaps

2011-08-18 Thread Robert Hart
On 18/08/11 23:47, Ross McLean wrote: The problem facing the handicappers is that the Nimbus 2 technology is over 40 years old (1971 first production Nimbus 2) and the ASG29/JS1 is state of the art 21^st Century aerodynamics technology. An awful lot of advancement has occurred in aerodynamics

[Aus-soaring] Darling Downs weather for the weekend of 20 - 21 August 2011 - updated

2011-08-18 Thread Robert Hart
Hi folks The updated forecast is available at http://the-white-knight-speaks.blogspot.com - it still looks like a reasonably good weekend. -- Robert Hart ha...@interweft.com.au +61 (0)438 385 533

Re: [Aus-soaring] Handicaps

2011-08-18 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 01:06 AM 19/08/2011, you wrote: In the late 70s were 15M speeds faster than open class speeds? I think Malcom Jinks and Tony Tabart would disagree! Tom Would someone please dig up the results from say the Renmark Nationals(Cirrus and Hornet in Standard class vs Nimbus etc in Open), the

Re: [Aus-soaring] Handicaps

2011-08-18 Thread Tim Shirley
Well, I can't help much but here goes. I don't have any results from Narromine 1978, and I have points results but no speeds from Waikerie 81. Average winners speeds were: YearPlaceOpen15M Std 77Renmark 112.9 (.94)

Re: [Aus-soaring] Handicaps

2011-08-18 Thread Bernie Baer
A little earlier (1974) but lots of good Nimbus 2 vs. Std. Cirrus data here: http://www.ssa.org/usteam/adobe%20pdf/1974%20WGC.pdf ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit:

Re: [Aus-soaring] Handicaps

2011-08-18 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 03:24 PM 19/08/2011, you wrote: Well, I can't help much but here goes. I don't have any results from Narromine 1978, and I have points results but no speeds from Waikerie 81. Average winners speeds were: YearPlaceOpen15M Std 77