[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: L'Infidele

2011-10-04 Thread William Samson
Hi Rob, I have no knowledge of the source of this suite. Do you know if it is in Weiss's own hand? I'm opening myself up to brickbats here, but it is usual for classical guitarists to make slight alterations to the pieces they play, to suit their own physical characteristics and

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: L'Infidele

2011-10-04 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Rob, It is a stretch but I do think the low A (ie 13th) is meant: the BL MS is very clear and there are no signs of an a on the 6th course being altered to a 6 (as we sometimes find elsewhere). I think there are two factors here: 1. Clearly much depends on how one

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: L'Infidele

2011-10-04 Thread Daniel Shoskes
The Dresden Ms version has that bass note up an octave. Nevertheless, it isn't the only example in Weiss of playing notes on the 1st and 13th course simultaneously (and if you travel further in time, Hagen and Falckenhagen) Danny On Oct 4, 2011, at 4:05 AM, Rob MacKillop wrote: Enjoying

[BAROQUE-LUTE] L'Infidele and a technique for finding the basses

2011-10-04 Thread Timothy Burris
Hi all, Something I've found useful in executing those nasty jumps in the bass register: 1) Having the bass line in your head--and teaching your thumb to associate a pitch with a given course, and a musical leap with a physical one. To that end, I sing the bass line when

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: L'Infidele

2011-10-04 Thread William Samson
Hi Martyn, I believe I've found David's stuff on string spacings in the archive: [1]http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg19722.html Best regards, Bill From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: BAROQUE-LUTE baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Rob MacKillop

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: L'Infidele

2011-10-04 Thread Christopher Wilke
Hi Rob, Here's something you can try for chords like this: With your thumb well out in advance of the fingers, lift the pinky off the soundboard, rotate the knuckles parallel to the floor and bend the wrist away from the belly. (This will essentially turn your right hand into a modern

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: L'Infidele

2011-10-04 Thread Rob MacKillop
Thanks, Bill. That's it. To which Malcolm added a few more, including the bizarre c.160mm on the small Berr, the smallest lute but with the largest string band. Thanks to all the advice on different approaches to managing these stretches. I'll give them all a go. Rob www.robmackillop.net

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: L'Infidele

2011-10-04 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Thanks Bill, Indeed these are the figures I recall. The average of all them all is 148. As already remarked, the Edlinger (and some other Hapsburg lands instruments) seem generally bigger than most at around 155mm; whereas the Hoffmann's (North German) seem to be generally

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: L'Infidele

2011-10-04 Thread William Samson
At a quick glance I'd say that the median is about 146mm. I'd love to see similar figures for 11c lutes. I once heard an eminent maker say that they tended to be more widely spaced than the first 11 courses of a 13 course lute, and it would be nice to see that confirmed (or not)

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: L'Infidele

2011-10-04 Thread Rob MacKillop
Robert Barto uses a string band of 152mm, no real difference to my 153mm, so I have nothing to complain about. Just get on with it, MacKillop! Rob www.robmackillop.net On 4 Oct 2011, at 14:06, William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: At a quick glance I'd say that the median is about

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: L'infidele

2011-10-04 Thread Louis Aull
--=_NextPart_001_0002_01CC828B.B8FC28A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rob, I'll second the lifting of the pinky off the soundboard. If you watch some of the videos of this suite and other Weiss suites, some performers, perhaps without

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: L'infidele

2011-10-04 Thread Christopher Wilke
Bill, I believe Baron played a 12 course. He's picture with one and I remember reading that nearly all of his music only calls for 12. Although the 13th course is found in a few pieces, it was probably written in later. I have spent virtually no time with Baron's music, so I can't really

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: L'Infidele

2011-10-04 Thread Rob MacKillop
That's getting on the wide side, Sterling. Would you have a problem with Bar 4 of L'Infidele? I agree that close spacing is difficult. I don't know how people can play with a string band of less than 148, but they do. People find a way. Rob www.robmackillop.net On 4 Oct 2011, at 22:34,

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: L'Infidele

2011-10-04 Thread Edward Martin
When I started baroque lute 30 years ago (!!), I had difficulty at first, but I learned to accommodate the stretches. On 13 course lute, I seldom rest the pinky on the soundboard, and when playing the first 2 courses with my middle or ring finger (with the thumb on 12th or 13th course), they