[Ankur-core] Bangla OpenOffice.org 3.1.1 released
Friends, It is our pleasure to inform you that Bangla OpenOffice.org 3.1.1 has been released, which is based on the original source code [0] of OpenOffice.org 3.1.x. OpenOffice.org [1] is the leading open-source office software suite for word processing, spreadsheets, presentations, graphics, databases and more. It is available in many languages and works on all common computers. It stores all your data in an international open standard format and can also read and write files from other common office software packages. It can be downloaded and used completely free of charge for any purpose. Some new features over the official OpenOffice.org 3.1.x [2]: * Updated User Interface and Help content translation. * Built-in Bangla dictionary for spell checking capability. * Hypernation feature introduced for Bangla which is still in development stage. * Updated locale file for Bangla-Bangladesh (bn-BD) with improved collation rules as recommended by Bangla academy [3]. Bangla OpenOffice.org 3.1.1 download links: * Debian, Ubuntu and Other DEB based GNU/Linux [4] * Fedora, Red Hat and Other RPM based GNU/Linux [5] * Microsoft Windows [6] Please send us your comments and suggestions. Regards, -Jamil [0] http://download.openoffice.org/source/index.html [1] http://www.openoffice.org/ [2] http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/3.1/ [3] http://www.banglaacademy.org.bd/english/index.php [4] http://sourceforge.net/projects/bengalinux/files/openoffice-bangla/OpenOffice.org_3.1.1_Bangla_Full_Version/OOo_3.1.1_090910_LinuxIntel_install_bn_deb.tar.gz/download [5] http://sourceforge.net/projects/bengalinux/files/openoffice-bangla/OpenOffice.org_3.1.1_Bangla_Full_Version/OOo_3.1.1_090904_LinuxIntel_install_bn_rpm.tar.gz/download [6] http://sourceforge.net/projects/bengalinux/files/openoffice-bangla/OpenOffice.org_3.1.1_Bangla_Full_Version/OOo_3.1.1_090903_Win32Intel_install_bn.exe/download -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
[Ankur-core] ইংরেজী থেক ে বাংলা অভিধান প ্রসঙ্গে।
প্রিয় অঙ্কুর পরিবারের সদসবৃন্দ, আমি শরফু জ্জামান, আমি এক মোবাইল কন্টেন এবং সফটওয়্যার ডেভেলপার, আমি অনেক আগে থেকেই আপনাদের কর্মকাণ্ড পর্যবেক্ষণ করছি। আপনাদের বাংলা ভাষা বিষয়ক সকল কর্মকাণ্ড সর্বদা আমাকে অনুপ্রেরণা দিয়েছে নতুন কিছু করার। তাই আমি সর্বদা চেষ্টা করি বাংলা ভাষার জন্য কিছু করার। আপনারা বেশ কিছু দিন ধরে ইন্টারনেট-ভিত্তিক ইংরেজী থেকে বাংলা অভিধান নিয়ে কাজ করছেন যা সত্যি প্রশংসার দাবিদার। আমি এই উদ্দোগকে স্বাগত জানাই এবং আমি ব্যক্তিগত ভাবে এই প্রকল্পে কাজ করতে উৎসাহী। আমি নিজেও একটি ইন্টারনেট-ভিত্তিক ইংরেজী থেকে বাংলা অভিধান তৈরির কাজ শুরু করেছিলাম কিন্তু বিশাল ডাটা ইক্টাকচারের জন্য আমার একার পক্ষে করার সম্ভব হয় নাই। পরে আমার কাছে থাকা শব্দার্থ তালিকা থেকে কাছু অংশ GPL এর অধীনে অভিধান প্রকল্পটির বর্তমান রক্ষণাবেক্ষণকারী গোলাম মোর্তুজা হোসেনের (gmhossain at gmail.com) নিকট ই-মেলই এর মাধ্যমে পাঠাই। অশাকরি আমার পাঠানো শব্দভান্ডার আপনাদের কাজে আসবে। এছাড়াও আমি Joomla CMS এর জন্য অঙ্কুর ইংরেজী থেকে বাংলা অভিধান মডিউল তৈরি করেছে। এই মডিউলটি ব্যবহার করে যে কোন Joomla 1.5 নির্ভর ওয়েব সাইটে অঙ্কুরের ইংরেজী থেকে বাংলা অভিধানটি সরাসরি ব্যবহার করতে পারবে। যার ফলে ওই ওয়েব সাইট থেকেই ব্যবহারকারীরা তাদের প্রিয় অনলাইল অঙ্কুর অভিধানকে ব্যবহার করার সুযোগ পাবে। আশা করি আমার এই ক্ষুদ্র প্রচেষ্টা অঙ্কুর পরিবার সাদরে গ্রহন করে আমার কাজের মূল্যায়ন করবে। আজ আর কিছু নয়। আমার প্রস্তাবনা বিবেচনা করে দেখার জন্য অঙ্কুর পরিবারের নিকট অনুরোধ জানিয়ে এখানেই ইতি টানছি। [**Joomla অঙ্কুর ইংরেজী থেকে বাংলা অভিধান মডিউল সম্পর্কে কোন প্রশ্ন বা মডিউলটি পেতে আমার সাথে ই-মেইলে যোগাযোগ করুন। ] ধন্যবাদান্তে, শরফু জ্জামান ৮৮০১৭১৬১০৭৮৯৫ ৮৮০১৭১৪১৭৩৪৩৫ -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Huge contribution to E2B dictionary project
On Aug 31, 2009, at 7:43 AM, Golam Mortuza Hossain wrote: Hi all, I am delighted to share this news with you that Mr Sharfuz Zaman (sharfuz at gmail dot com) has donated more than 16 thousands meanings to Ankur E2B dictionary project. This is more than the number of edited entries that we have currently. We are progressing with the efforts of some great human ... I have started pushing them into our MySQL database. With bit of checking and minor editing this could take weeks to complete unless some of you want to help me out. I hope, I can help you, please send me a mail. Cheers, Golam -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core Regards Salahuddin salahuddin66.deviantart.com -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Huge contribution to E2B dictionary project
Hi, I'd be glad to help, Bhaiya :) I hope, I can help you, please send me a mail. Thanks Zaher and Salahuddin. I will be sending you a list of words each along with brief instructions shortly. Best, Golam -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
[Ankur-core] Huge contribution to E2B dictionary project
Hi all, I am delighted to share this news with you that Mr Sharfuz Zaman (sharfuz at gmail dot com) has donated more than 16 thousands meanings to Ankur E2B dictionary project. This is more than the number of edited entries that we have currently. I have started pushing them into our MySQL database. With bit of checking and minor editing this could take weeks to complete unless some of you want to help me out. Cheers, Golam -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
[Ankur-core] Picking between ত্ and ৎ
Hi, Right now which one is considered standard ত্ or ৎ? I mean I have seen plenty of websites with বিদ্যুত্ and বিদ্যুৎ, চিত্কার and চিৎকার। I need need to pick one as a standard for Apertium. In case of Bengali to English part, we could accept both but when generating from English to Bengali, we need to generate one. Once again and thanks in advance. -- Regards Abu Zaher Md. Faridee http://zaher14.blogspot.com/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/apertium/ --- Time heals every wound, but time itself is a wound that never heals. -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Picking between ত্ and ৎ
I just had a talk regarding this with Golam Mortaza Bhai, pasting that for future references :) (05:52:23 PM) zahe...@gmail.com/HomeC8631CA7: I've mailed you regarding an issue betten 'ত্ and 'ৎ', if you get the time, plase feel free to answer (05:52:25 PM) Golam Mortuza Hossain: I mean I got (05:52:30 PM) zahe...@gmail.com/HomeC8631CA7: cool (05:52:34 PM) Golam Mortuza Hossain: Please (05:52:42 PM) Golam Mortuza Hossain: follow ৎ (05:53:26 PM) Golam Mortuza Hossain: Khanda-Ta as a separate glyph is now Unicode standard (05:54:03 PM) Golam Mortuza Hossain: which wasn't the case earlier (05:54:41 PM) zahe...@gmail.com/HomeC8631CA7: I was following ৎ all this time, but came across some sites that have ত্ and the fact that in unicode character set ৎ has a comment like this a dead consonant form of ta, without implicit vowel, used in some sequences, that why I thought I consult you (05:55:48 PM) Golam Mortuza Hossain: the reason for this, earlier there was no glyph for Khanda-Ta in Unicode (05:55:59 PM) zahe...@gmail.com/HomeC8631CA7: yeah I know (05:57:03 PM) Golam Mortuza Hossain: If you want to make it backward compatible then (05:57:23 PM) Golam Mortuza Hossain: you could consider mapping ত্ (05:57:31 PM) Golam Mortuza Hossain: to ৎ (05:57:40 PM) Golam Mortuza Hossain: But it could be tricky (05:58:57 PM) zahe...@gmail.com/HomeC8631CA7: yeah (05:59:07 PM) zahe...@gmail.com/HomeC8631CA7: I know, I tried a bit (05:59:36 PM) Golam Mortuza Hossain: :-) (06:01:17 PM) zahe...@gmail.com/HomeC8631CA7: we might need to build a table for that, for eg. ত্ক - ৎক its always like that isn't it, but we can't map like it in উত্তর (06:01:36 PM) zahe...@gmail.com/HomeC8631CA7: so we might need a to check all these :( (06:02:32 PM) Golam Mortuza Hossain: If I remember correctly then sometime people also (06:02:42 PM) Golam Mortuza Hossain: used ZWNJ after Halant (06:02:51 PM) zahe...@gmail.com/HomeC8631CA7: yeah (06:03:03 PM) zahe...@gmail.com/HomeC8631CA7: I've seen that too (06:03:21 PM) Golam Mortuza Hossain: this case should be easy (06:04:30 PM) Golam Mortuza Hossain: also when it appears just before , , :, ।, ?, etc. (06:04:44 PM) zahe...@gmail.com/HomeC8631CA7: am alreay running the source text through a normalizer right now, becase ড় - ড + nukta, we sometimes get text in the complex form and the parser gets confused (06:04:54 PM) zahe...@gmail.com/HomeC8631CA7: aha (06:05:23 PM) Golam Mortuza Hossain: yeah I see (06:06:50 PM) zahe...@gmail.com/HomeC8631CA7: so you think its do-able right? (06:07:22 PM) Golam Mortuza Hossain: no (06:07:52 PM) zahe...@gmail.com/HomeC8631CA7: btw, could I paste this conversation in the group just as a reference for the others? (06:09:11 PM) Golam Mortuza Hossain: In some cases unambiguous mapping may not be possible (06:09:16 PM) Golam Mortuza Hossain: Yeah, sure (06:13:37 PM) Golam Mortuza Hossain: My suggestion would be handle only ৎ in the engine. (06:15:28 PM) Golam Mortuza Hossain: If needed then mapping should be done in text pre-parser. (06:16:21 PM) Golam Mortuza Hossain: In the long term ত্ appearance will go away! (06:16:30 PM) zahe...@gmail.com/HomeC8631CA7: I agree -- Regards Abu Zaher Md. Faridee http://zaher14.blogspot.com/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/apertium/ --- Time heals every wound, but time itself is a wound that never heals. -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Ankur Abhidhan project needs help!
Dear Golam bhai, I will check and let you know soon. :) Regards, -Jamil 2009/6/7 Golam Mortuza Hossain gmhoss...@gmail.com Hi All, Ankur English to Bengali dictionary project [1] has been serving increasingly more and more users for quite some time. According to Google analytics, Ankur E2B dictionary project has served more than sixty thousands request in last month alone [2]. It has also lead to increased contributions. Unfortunately, the project is lacking man-power to keep up with the increased demand. Also, I am unable to give enough time to the project lately and I don't see my situation is changing anytime soon. Consequently, large numbers of contributed entries remain unedited [3]. So I am now seeking opinions from Ankur members to sustain the project meaningfully. I would be happy to make personal request to anyone who might be interested in helping the project by any means. In case, you know of someone either from Ankur or outside, who could help in this regard, then please let me know. It may be helpful to forward this request to any other interested groups. [1] http://www.bengalinux.org/english-to-bengali-dictionary/ [2] http://www.bengalinux.org/english-to-bengali-dictionary/VisitorsOverviewReport.pdf [3] http://www.bengalinux.org/cgi-bin/abhidhan/statistics.pl Cheers, Golam -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Ankur Abhidhan project needs help!
Dear Golam Bhai, For my GSoC project, I'll also need to work on a English to Bengali dictionary (pos tagged), which will only hold the references of the lemmata. Currently I'm busy on the Bengali morphological generation part, but after I finish that I can move to Dictionary part. I'll contact and Jamil bhai soon. On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Jamil Ahmed itsja...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Golam bhai, I will check and let you know soon. :) Regards, -Jamil 2009/6/7 Golam Mortuza Hossain gmhoss...@gmail.com Hi All, Ankur English to Bengali dictionary project [1] has been serving increasingly more and more users for quite some time. According to Google analytics, Ankur E2B dictionary project has served more than sixty thousands request in last month alone [2]. It has also lead to increased contributions. Unfortunately, the project is lacking man-power to keep up with the increased demand. Also, I am unable to give enough time to the project lately and I don't see my situation is changing anytime soon. Consequently, large numbers of contributed entries remain unedited [3]. So I am now seeking opinions from Ankur members to sustain the project meaningfully. I would be happy to make personal request to anyone who might be interested in helping the project by any means. In case, you know of someone either from Ankur or outside, who could help in this regard, then please let me know. It may be helpful to forward this request to any other interested groups. [1] http://www.bengalinux.org/english-to-bengali-dictionary/ [2] http://www.bengalinux.org/english-to-bengali-dictionary/VisitorsOverviewReport.pdf [3] http://www.bengalinux.org/cgi-bin/abhidhan/statistics.pl Cheers, Golam -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core -- Regards Abu Zaher Md. Faridee http://zaher14.blogspot.com/ --- Time heals every wound, but time itself is a wound that never heals. -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
[Ankur-core] Ankur Abhidhan project needs help!
Hi All, Ankur English to Bengali dictionary project [1] has been serving increasingly more and more users for quite some time. According to Google analytics, Ankur E2B dictionary project has served more than sixty thousands request in last month alone [2]. It has also lead to increased contributions. Unfortunately, the project is lacking man-power to keep up with the increased demand. Also, I am unable to give enough time to the project lately and I don't see my situation is changing anytime soon. Consequently, large numbers of contributed entries remain unedited [3]. So I am now seeking opinions from Ankur members to sustain the project meaningfully. I would be happy to make personal request to anyone who might be interested in helping the project by any means. In case, you know of someone either from Ankur or outside, who could help in this regard, then please let me know. It may be helpful to forward this request to any other interested groups. [1] http://www.bengalinux.org/english-to-bengali-dictionary/ [2] http://www.bengalinux.org/english-to-bengali-dictionary/VisitorsOverviewReport.pdf [3] http://www.bengalinux.org/cgi-bin/abhidhan/statistics.pl Cheers, Golam -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] XML standard for Ankur's Abhidhan
On May 13, 2009, at 10:57 PM, Deepayan Sarkar wrote: On 5/12/09, Salahuddin Pasha salahuddi...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, I was working on অভিধান - Abhidhan for XML support. To enable various application and tools to utilize our dictionary. Basic work is already done, but we need to define a standard XML (XML DTD or XML Schema). Any suggestion or comments ? Back in 2003, the bengalinux dictionary list had a discussion on this. Nothing ever came out of it, and when Golam first started on anubadok, his emphasis was more specialized. In any case, that discussion may provide some suggestions. You can get it from the list archives, and I'm also attaching a cleaned up and edited version of the thread here: ... From: Kaushik Ghose kgh...@wa... - 2003-05-16 15:07 ?xml version=1.0? !ELEMENT dictionary (entry*) !ELEMENT entry (word, info*) !ELEMENT word (#CDATA) !ELEMENT info (refer?,pron?, synonym?,antonym?,meaning?,grammar?) !ATTLIST info pos (n|adj|v|adv) n plural (true|false) false origin CDATA #DEFAULT date CDATA !ELEMENT refer (#CDATA) !ELEMENT pron (#CDATA) !ELEMENT synonym (#CDATA) !ATTLIST synonym lang CDATA #DEFAULT bn !ELEMENT antonym (#CDATA) !ATTLIST antonym lang CDATA #DEFAULT bn !ELEMENT meaning (#CDATA) !ATTLIST meaning lang CDATA #DEFAULT bn !ELEMENT grammar (derivative?) !ELEMENT derivative (#CDATA) !ATTLIST derivative form (the|of) the num (singular|plural) singular also, to answer Deepayan's question by date I was thinking of date of origin, first use etc. Will potter with QT right now, I'm goign to hardcode the DTD structure, I can't think of a simple way of creating an editor that will parse the DTD and configure the GUI on the fly - fixed boxes for all teh element will be quicker for this size DTD PS. try the perl tool at http://www.sagehill.net/livedtd/download.html -kg /thread Dear Deepayan bhai, Thank you for your mail. Here is the present updated one example: ?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8? dictionary search_results dict_entry bdict_id68218/bdict_id en_wordapple/en_word pos_tagProper noun, singular/pos_tag penn_tagNP/penn_tag bn_pronunciation/bn_pronunciation en_leema/en_leema bn_wordঅ্যাপল/bn_word explanation/explanation exampleউদাঃ/example statusEDITED/status /dict_entry /search_results /dictionary From Deepayan bhai's mail. I think we still need to add these fields. We will add this in later version as we do not have enough information for these fields now. origin=deshi synonyms.../synonyms antonyms.../antonyms entry info pos=noun plural=false origin=deshi synonyms.../synonyms antonyms.../antonyms /info /entry grammar derivative form=thechhaanaaTaa,chhaanaaTi/derivative derivative form=ofnum=singularchhaanaaTir/derivative derivative form=of num=pluralchhaanaader/derivative /grammar Another questions is which would better for us ? use grammer tag and store information in nested tags or the palin one in the present updated one. regards salahuddin -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Ankur Dictionary
Hi Salahuddin, On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:26 AM, salahuddin66 salahuddi...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, you are right. Personally I also think getxml.pl would be a standard name. Now BDictXML import BDictSQL and use the existing db function. File attached. Please feel free to let me know if you need any changes. :) First of all, it is coming out very nicely. I have one more suggestion. dict_entry_unedited id=7 I would prefer not to have above element for the following reason. The client side parsing would need to have separate code for reading unedited entries. My suggestion would be to have statusUNEDITED/status for each entry. Currently, we have four separate status (1) EDITED (2) UNEDITED* (3) OBSOLETE (4) DELETED (It helps to undo delete easily by simply changing the status). Also, there is a unique id field for each dictionary entry. In case, you want to have editing capability in your client app then you need to send back this id. So something like this would be good to have bdict_id23232/bdict_id for each entry. Given you are almost finishing up the spec, I would urge you to write down the final specifications that we can put up in Abhidhan page. This will help those who would want to write their own XML based app using Ankur dictionary. Here is the current dict_table elements `id` int(11) NOT NULL auto_increment, `en_word` text, `pos_tag` text, `en_lemma` text, `bn_pronunciation` text, `bn_word` text, `explanation` text, `example` text, `status` text, Finally, please make sure to put your name in the license headers and in the final XML specs. Best, Golam -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] XML standard for Ankur's Abhidhan
You might also find it helpful to look at apertium dictionary format, which is also standard XML. Here is the link to svn for Nepalese Language (its the closest language to Bengali in apertium we have so far, and the Bengali pair is far from finished :( ) http://apertium.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/apertium/trunk/apertium-bn-en/. I have been working to find some standard tag sets for Bengali language, so far I'm also doing away with pen treebank tagsets, but I the future I might need to extend those, as for my project requirements. *However, I bellive penn treebank tagset to be sufficient for a general purpose dictionary format.* The attached file contains the Pen Treebank Tagset and also the bilingual ductioanry format from apertium. What I'd like to propose is instead of using pos_tagVerb, non-3rd person singular present/ pos_tag you could create some definitions like verb, person, number, tense and then use them as the property for the specific entry. I'd be easier to parse in the future. On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Golam Mortuza Hossain gmhoss...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Salahuddin Pasha salahuddi...@gmail.com wrote: Basic work is already done, but we need to define a standard XML (XML DTD or XML Schema). Example: test XML output. ?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8? dictionary search_results dict_entry id=1 en_wordread/en_word pos_tagNoun, singular or mass/pos_tag Thanks a lot for your work. I should suggest that you also try to have an entry for PennTag for Parts-of-Speech (pos) like NN, VV etc. So something like penn_tagNN/penn_tag This would be needed if Anubadok Online intreface needs to update its database using your XML gateway of Ankur dictionary database. Cheers, Golam -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core -- Regards Abu Zaher Md. Faridee http://zaher14.blogspot.com/ --- Time heals every wound, but time itself is a wound that never heals. -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] XML standard for Ankur's Abhidhan
On 5/12/09, Salahuddin Pasha salahuddi...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, I was working on অভিধান - Abhidhan for XML support. To enable various application and tools to utilize our dictionary. Basic work is already done, but we need to define a standard XML (XML DTD or XML Schema). Any suggestion or comments ? Back in 2003, the bengalinux dictionary list had a discussion on this. Nothing ever came out of it, and when Golam first started on anubadok, his emphasis was more specialized. In any case, that discussion may provide some suggestions. You can get it from the list archives, and I'm also attaching a cleaned up and edited version of the thread here: thread from May 2003 [Ankur-dictionary] dictionary.dtd From: Kaushik Ghose kgh...@wa... -2003-05-14 04:17 Hi, here is the descriptor file. I'm new to XML and DTDs so please go over the semantics as well as the syntax an see if this serves our purpose... ?xml version=1.0? !ELEMENT entry*(word_bn, info_bn*) !ELEMENT word_bn (#CDATA) !ELEMENT info_bn (english, pronounciation_bn,meaning_bn) !ELEMENT english (#CDATA) !ELEMENT pronounciation_bn (#CDATA) !ELEMENT meaning_bn (#CDATA) thanks -kg From: Kaushik Ghose kgh...@wa... -2003-05-14 05:12 Ok, small correction, QTs DOM class seems to parse this correctly dictionary.dtd ?xml version=1.0? !ELEMENT dictionary (entry*) !ELEMENT entry (word_bn, info_bn*) !ELEMENT word_bn (#CDATA) !ELEMENT info_bn (english?, pronounciation_bn?,meaning_bn?) !ELEMENT english (#CDATA) !ELEMENT pronounciation_bn (#CDATA) !ELEMENT meaning_bn (#CDATA) test.xml ?xml version=1.0? !DOCTYPE entry SYSTEM dictionary.dtd dictionary entry word_bn? ???/word_bn info_bn englishseedling/english pronounciation_bnankur/pronounciation_bn meaning_bn??? ??? ?? ??/meaning_bn /info_bn /entry entry word_bn? ?/word_bn info_bn englishbangla/english pronounciation_bnbangla/pronounciation_bn meaning_bn??? ? ,? ??? ? ?/meaning_bn /info_bn info_bn englishbengali/english /info_bn /entry /dictionary thanks -kg From: Deepayan Sarkar deepa...@st... -2003-05-14 07:03 Ha! A friend of mine once corrected me on this, now I can correct someone else :) 'pronounciation' should be spelled 'pronunciation'. I'm not an expert on DTDs (though I know someone who knows much more, whom I can ask after after we make some progress). I find it very difficult to understand DTD's, and much easier to understand examples of what the final thing would look like. Let's work that way, and we can write out the DTD on ce we decide on the 'look'. I don't know if you know this, but there's something called attributes which might be useful. For instance, with multiple meanings as different parts of speech. Here's an example (I'm using slightly different tags) --- 'pos' is part of speech, 'plural' is whether the word has a plural form, etc.: entry wordchhaanaa/word info pos=noun plural=false origin=deshi meaningdudh theke toiri ek dhoroner .../meaning synonyms.../synonyms antonyms.../antonyms## ??? translation lang=encottage cheese (?)/translation pronunciationchhaanaa/pronunciation /info info pos=noun origin=tatbhabo #it's probably not, but... meaningshishu, bachchaa/meaning translation lang=enchild, young/translation # comma separated translation lang=hnbachcha/translation #hindi is hn ? not sure pronunciationchhaanaa/pronunciation derivative form=thechhaanaaTaa, chhaanaaTi/derivative derivative form=of num=singularchhaanaaTir/derivative derivative form=of num=pluralchhaanaader/derivative /info /entry (I've used romanized bengali in place of what should be bengali, but you get the idea.) I think we should handle derivative words here (and not have separate entries for them.
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On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Golam Mortuza Hossain gmhoss...@gmail.com wrote: For Ankurian: Abu Zaher is an accepted candidate for Google summer of Code [1] for porting Anubadok system to Apertium project [2], another open-source MT project which has several other language pairs. Congtratulations to Abu Zaher :-) -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
[Ankur-core] XML standard for Ankur's Abhidhan
Dear all, I was working on অভিধান - Abhidhan for XML support. To enable various application and tools to utilize our dictionary. Basic work is already done, but we need to define a standard XML (XML DTD or XML Schema). Any suggestion or comments ? Example: test XML output. ?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8? dictionary search_results dict_entry id=1 en_wordread/en_word pos_tagNoun, singular or mass/pos_tag bn_wordপড়া/bn_word /dict_entry dict_entry id=2 en_wordread/en_word pos_tagVerb, base form/pos_tag bn_wordপড়া/bn_word /dict_entry dict_entry id=3 en_wordread/en_word bn_pronunciation উচ্চাঃ রীড/ bn_pronunciation pos_tagVerb, non-3rd person singular present/ pos_tag bn_wordপাঠ করা/bn_word /dict_entry /search_results /dictionary regards salahuddin -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] XML standard for Ankur's Abhidhan
Hi, On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Salahuddin Pasha salahuddi...@gmail.com wrote: Basic work is already done, but we need to define a standard XML (XML DTD or XML Schema). Example: test XML output. ?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8? dictionary search_results dict_entry id=1 en_wordread/en_word pos_tagNoun, singular or mass/pos_tag Thanks a lot for your work. I should suggest that you also try to have an entry for PennTag for Parts-of-Speech (pos) like NN, VV etc. So something like penn_tagNN/penn_tag This would be needed if Anubadok Online intreface needs to update its database using your XML gateway of Ankur dictionary database. Cheers, Golam -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Firefox Padma Update for Anandabazar rendering bug
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 12:33 AM, Shabab Mustafa shabab.must...@gmail.com wrote: The rendering of Padma cannot show the 'কার' and sometimes the 'য-ফলা properly. Is it a drawback of Padma? or the poor typeset of Anandabazar and Bartaman? It's likely that Padma is at fault. Could you please send me a link to the page where you see those issue? Cheers, -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
[Ankur-core] Firefox Padma Update for Anandabazar rendering bug
Hi, Some of you might find this update on Padama rendering bug for ABP to be useful http://methopath.wordpress.com/2009/05/09/improved-firefox-padma-for-reading-anandabazar-bartaman/ Cheers, Golam -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Bangla OCR progress
On 5/9/09, Debayan Banerjee debaya...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/9 Deepayan Sarkar deepayan.sar...@gmail.com: Debayan, I have been meaning to ask you: is your character segmentation algorithm in a form that could be easily separated out? The segmentation algorithm can be found here (http://tesseractindic.googlecode.com/files/clipmatra_pseudocode.pdf) But this is your original algorithm which segmented গ etc (at least for some fonts), isn't it? I thought you had an improved algorithm which works around some of those problems (or maybe I misunderstood your mail). If it could be easily done, I would like to try it out in BOCRA. Unfortunately, I don't think I will have enough time in the near future to figure out how ocropus/tesseract does things. Kindly read the paragraph in this (http://hacking-tesseract.blogspot.com/2009/05/bengali-stats.html) post regarding reducing number of character classes to be trained. I want to know if this is possible using BOCRA. No it's not. From the beginning, my design for BOCRA was based on the idea of on-the-fly training, because that's the only approach I thought was feasible given the combination of non-standard fonts and so many potential conjuncts. In most realistic examples, the number of conjuncts is actually quite limited. After accounting for the most common ones, the frequency of the rest are probably lower than normal OCR error rate anyway. -Deepayan -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Firefox Padma Update for Anandabazar rendering bug
The rendering of Padma cannot show the 'কার' and sometimes the 'য-ফলা properly. Is it a drawback of Padma? or the poor typeset of Anandabazar and Bartaman? On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Golam Mortuza Hossain gmhoss...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Some of you might find this update on Padama rendering bug for ABP to be useful http://methopath.wordpress.com/2009/05/09/improved-firefox-padma-for-reading-anandabazar-bartaman/ Cheers, Golam -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core -- Shabab Mustafa -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Bangla OCR progress
2009/4/20 srhaque srha...@theiet.org: BTW, if you still need my test file with conjunct samples, here it is... Thank you very much. They have proved *very helpful* :) I preapred this (http://hacking-tesseract.blogspot.com/2009/05/bengali-stats.html) post with the help of your document. -- Regards, Debayan Banerjee Support Free Software http://deeproot.in -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Bangla OCR progress
On Friday 08 May 2009, Debayan Banerjee wrote: 2009/4/20 srhaque srha...@theiet.org: BTW, if you still need my test file with conjunct samples, here it is... Thank you very much. They have proved *very helpful* :) I preapred this (http://hacking-tesseract.blogspot.com/2009/05/bengali-stats.html) post with the help of your document. Cool. If it is of any use, then note that my Raga font also has glyphs for all the conjuncts (though I've not anything with the advanced tables to refine the font generally). I've been thinking about OCR for a little while too, and am doing some little experiments here and there based on trying to apply brute force to simple algorithms for deskewing/text-block extraction/segmentation. However, I'm a bit stuck for inspiration on that front for now, so if there is anything I can do to help *you*, please let me know. Thanks, Shaheed -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Bangla OCR progress
Debayan, I have been meaning to ask you: is your character segmentation algorithm in a form that could be easily separated out? If it could be easily done, I would like to try it out in BOCRA. Unfortunately, I don't think I will have enough time in the near future to figure out how ocropus/tesseract does things. -Deepayan -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
[Ankur-core] Fwd: [Anubadok-core] english to bangla dictionary
Hello Asif, Given Anubadok uses dictionary database from Ankur's English to Bengali dictionary project ( http://www.bengalinux.org/english-to-bengali-dictionary/ ), I am forwarding your email to Ankur's mailing list. Regarding the encoding problem of dictionary database dump, frankly, I am aware of this problem. This problem seems to have started after last year's SourceForge data-center migration although web interface works as expected. So I am sort of guilty for not fixing this issue earlier. Does anyone know whether there are easy ways to fix the encoding/re-encoding of MySQL database dump in utf-8? Thanks, Golam -- Forwarded message -- From: asif mahmud acid_ko...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:20 AM Helo everyone, currently i am trying to develop a english to bangla dictionary software for desktop. I was really excited to find this project called anubadok and the english to bangla dictionary. Specially the dictionary is the thing that will help me a lot. I was trying to fetch the bangla content from the table dict_table. However, i failed to collect the strings. It was showing all junks. I saw that the table use utf8 encoding, so i used set NAMES = 'utf8' function before select statements in mysql. i tried with collations like utf8_general/unicode_ci but no luck. I have been trying this for quite a long time but its not working. If you could provide me some clue regarding fetching the bangla characters from db, it would be really helpful for me. Thanks in advance -Asif -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
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BTW, if you still need my test file with conjunct samples, here it is...
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2008-01-06 S.R.Haque Adding missing conjuncts of ঈ.
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জনগণমন-অধিনায়ক জয় হে ভারতভাগ্যবিধাতা!
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বিন্ধ্য হিমাচল যমুনা গঙ্গা উচ্ছলজলধিতরঙ্গ
তব শুভ নামে জাগে, তব শুভ আশিস মাগে,
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UNICODE 5.0 BENGALI CHARACTER CODES
098x ঁ ং ঃ অ আ ই ঈ উ ঊ ঋ ঌ এ
099x ঐ ও ঔ ক খ গ ঘ ঙ চ ছ জ ঝ ঞ ট
09Ax ঠ ড ঢ ণ ত থ দ ধ ন প ফ ব ভ ম য
09Bx র ল শ ষ স হ ় ঽ া ি
09Cx ী ু ূ ৃ ৄ ে ৈ ো ৌ ্ ৎ ৗ ড় ঢ় য়
09Dx ৠ ৡ ০ ১ ২ ৩ ৪ ৫ ৬ ৭ ৮ ৯ ৰ ৱ ৲ ৳ ৴ ৵ ৶ ৷ ৸ ৹ ৺
ASCII
0020 ! # $ % ' ( ) * + , - . / 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 : ; = ?
0030 @ A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z [ \ ] ^ _
0040 ` a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z { | } ~
PUNCTUATION AND SPECIAL SYMBOLS
ৢ ৣ ‘ ’ “ ”
VOWEL CONJUNCTS
Conjuncts of আ (া)
কা খা গা ঘা ঙা চা ছা জা ঝা ঞা
টা ঠা ডা ঢা ণা তা থা দা ধা না
পা ফা বা ভা মা যা রা লা শা ষা
সা হা ড়া ঢ়া য়া ৰা ৱা
Conjuncts of ই (ি)
কি খি গি ঘি ঙি চি ছি জি ঝি ঞি
টি ঠি ডি ঢি ণি তি থি দি ধি নি
পি ফি বি ভি মি যি রি লি শি ষি
সি হি ড়ি ঢ়ি য়ি ৰি ৱি
Conjuncts of ঈ (ী)
কী খী গী ঘী ঙী চী ছী জী ঝী ঞী
টী ঠী ডী ঢী ণী তী থী দী ধী নী
পী ফী বী ভী মী যী রী লী শী ষী
সী হী ড়ী ঢ়ী য়ী ৰী ৱী
Conjuncts of উ (ু)
কু খু গু ঘু ঙু চু ছু জু ঝু ঞু
টু ঠু ডু ঢু ণু তু থু দু ধু নু
পু ফু বু ভু মু যু রু লু শু ষু
সু হু ড়ু ঢ়ু য়ু ৰু ৱু
Conjuncts of ঊ (ূ)
কূ খূ গূ ঘূ ঙূ চূ ছূ জূ ঝূ ঞূ
টূ ঠূ ডূ ঢূ ণূ তূ থূ দূ ধূ নূ
পূ ফূ বূ ভূ মূ যূ রূ লূ শূ ষূ
সূ হূ ড়ূ ঢ়ূ য়ূ ৰূ ৱূ
Conjuncts of ঋ (ৃ)
কৃ খৃ গৃ ঘৃ ঙৃ চৃ ছৃ জৃ ঝৃ ঞৃ
টৃ ঠৃ ডৃ ঢৃ ণৃ তৃ থৃ দৃ ধৃ নৃ
পৃ ফৃ বৃ ভৃ মৃ যৃ রৃ লৃ শৃ ষৃ
সৃ হৃ ড়ৃ ঢ়ৃ য়ৃ ৰৃ ৱৃ
Conjuncts of ঌ (ৄ)
কৄ খৄ গৄ ঘৄ ঙৄ চৄ ছৄ জৄ ঝৄ ঞৄ
টৄ ঠৄ ডৄ ঢৄ ণৄ তৄ থৄ দৄ ধৄ নৄ
পৄ ফৄ বৄ ভৄ মৄ যৄ রৄ লৄ শৄ ষৄ
সৄ হৄ ড়ৄ ঢ়ৄ য়ৄ ৰৄ ৱৄ
Conjuncts of এ (ে)
কে খে গে ঘে ঙে চে ছে জে ঝে ঞে
টে ঠে ডে ঢে ণে তে থে দে ধে নে
পে ফে বে ভে মে যে রে লে শে ষে
সে হে ড়ে ঢ়ে য়ে ৰে ৱে
Conjuncts of ঐ (ৈ)
কৈ খৈ গৈ ঘৈ ঙৈ চৈ ছৈ জৈ ঝৈ ঞৈ
টৈ ঠৈ ডৈ ঢৈ ণৈ তৈ থৈ দৈ ধৈ নৈ
পৈ ফৈ বৈ ভৈ মৈ যৈ রৈ লৈ শৈ ষৈ
সৈ হৈ ড়ৈ ঢ়ৈ য়ৈ ৰৈ ৱৈ
Conjuncts of ও (ো)
কো খো গো ঘো ঙো চো ছো জো ঝো ঞো
টো ঠো ডো ঢো ণো তো থো দো ধো নো
পো ফো বো ভো মো যো রো লো শো ষো
সো হো ড়ো ঢ়ো য়ো ৰো ৱো
Conjuncts of ঔ (ৌ)
কৌ খৌ গৌ ঘৌ ঙৌ চৌ ছৌ জৌ ঝৌ ঞৌ
টৌ ঠৌ ডৌ ঢৌ ণৌ তৌ থৌ দৌ ধৌ নৌ
পৌ ফৌ বৌ ভৌ মৌ যৌ রৌ লৌ শৌ ষৌ
সৌ হৌ ড়ৌ ঢ়ৌ য়ৌ ৰৌ ৱৌ
CONSONANT CONJUNCTS
With Hasanta (্)
ক্ খ্ গ্ ঘ্ ঙ্ চ্ ছ্ জ্ ঝ্ ঞ্
ট্ ঠ্ ড্ ঢ্ ণ্ ত্ থ্ দ্ ধ্ ন্
প্ ফ্ ব্ ভ্ ম্ য্ র্ ল্ শ্ ষ্
স্ হ্ ড়্ ঢ়্ য়্ ৰ্
[Ankur-core] [X-Post]Bengali to English transliteration anyone?
Does anyone know of any libraries that can transliterate bengali to english. There are tools to the reverse. I need this to solve the last remaining road-block in OCR. The thing is Tesseract-OCR uses a data structure called directed-acyclic-word-graph to store dictionaries for lookup. After an OCR has been performed the OCR system matches the output with entries in this d.a.w.g. file. Unfortunately the data structure is not suited to complex scripts like ours http://groups.google.com/group/tesseract-ocr/browse_thread/thread/5495c4e348a4b272/a6dcfe5d92babb35?lnk=gstq=dawg%2Bwieghts#a6dcfe5d92babb35. There are 2 solutions. 1) I figure out a suitable data structure that handles Indic script and implement. 2) I transliterate the entire dictionary and the OCR output to english (26 characters instead of the 500 odd for bengali) and then match. I think this should work. Any suggestions? [1] http://hacking-tesseract.blogspot.com/ [2] http://code.google.com/p/tesseract-ocr -- Be Intelligent, Use GNU/Linux http://debayanin.googlepages.com/ http://debayan.wordpress.com http://lug.nitdgp.ac.in -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] [X-Post]Bengali to English transliteration anyone?
On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Debayan Banerjee debaya...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know of any libraries that can transliterate bengali to english. There are tools to the reverse. I need this to solve the last remaining road-block in OCR. The thing is Tesseract-OCR uses a data structure called directed-acyclic-word-graph to store dictionaries for lookup. After an OCR has been performed the OCR system matches the output with entries in this d.a.w.g. file. Unfortunately the data structure is not suited to complex scripts like ours http://groups.google.com/group/tesseract-ocr/browse_thread/thread/5495c4e348a4b272/a6dcfe5d92babb35?lnk=gstq=dawg%2Bwieghts#a6dcfe5d92babb35. There are 2 solutions. 1) I figure out a suitable data structure that handles Indic script and implement. 2) I transliterate the entire dictionary and the OCR output to english (26 characters instead of the 500 odd for bengali) and then match. I think this should work. I believe there is a ISO standard for doing this. Take a look at ISO 15919:2001 Saner explanation is at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stone-catend/trind.htm :-) There is a thing which does this for Devanagari: https://www.dealloc.org/~mublin/iso15919.py.html However, this is not restricted to the 26 characters, but definitely less than 500 :-) -sdg- -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] [X-Post]Bengali to English transliteration anyone?
On 4/19/09, Debayan Banerjee debaya...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know of any libraries that can transliterate bengali to english. There are tools to the reverse. I need this to solve the last remaining road-block in OCR. The thing is Tesseract-OCR uses a data structure called directed-acyclic-word-graph to store dictionaries for lookup. After an OCR has been performed the OCR system matches the output with entries in this d.a.w.g. file. Unfortunately the data structure is not suited to complex scripts like ours http://groups.google.com/group/tesseract-ocr/browse_thread/thread/5495c4e348a4b272/a6dcfe5d92babb35?lnk=gstq=dawg%2Bwieghts#a6dcfe5d92babb35. There are 2 solutions. 1) I figure out a suitable data structure that handles Indic script and implement. 2) I transliterate the entire dictionary and the OCR output to english (26 characters instead of the 500 odd for bengali) and then match. I think this should work. Any suggestions? Take a look at the uni2rb.py script in http://bocra.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bocra/bocra/trunk/src/python/ -Deepayan -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Bangla OCR progress
I take the liberty of top posting since i copied the mail's contents from archives and bottom posting will require messing with the text below to much. In reply to this particular line: It takes the old matra removal approach, and he's facing the same problems I did (notice in his first example that গ is segmented into 2 parts, and শু is not). Kindly see http://picasaweb.google.com/debayanin/TesseractIndicOCR#5325782929614608690. Below is the original conversation. On 7/2/08, Golam Mortuza Hossain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] This guy seems to be doing some interesting progress for a Bangla OCR - or more precisely, enabling Bangla in Tesseract. http://debayanin.googlepages.com/hackingtesseract Cool. I had some interaction with the tesseract/ocropus folks, and it sounded like a good base. It's nice that someone's actually doing something with it. It takes the old matra removal approach, and he's facing the same problems I did (notice in his first example that গ is segmented into 2 parts, and শু is not). On the other hand, having something that works even partly is a good start. Yes, it looks definitely interesting. Looks like he needs some more training data - can we provide him with some ? If I remember correctly, there was a sample file for testing completeness of Bengali fonts. Since it has all letters and conjuncts typed-in, the file might be useful for training Tesseract as well . Deepayan should be able to give some input here. He has working experience with R and may have some training sample as well. Well, we have a bunch of unicode documents. For some of them, I have print versions too, and can scan them if needed. A simpler approach would be to render them using different fonts and take screenshots. Apparently he also needs some box-files, whatever they are, which need to be produced using tesseract. I haven't installed tesseract yet, and will try, but let me know if anyone else manages. -Deepayan -- Be Intelligent, Use GNU/Linux http://debayanin.googlepages.com/ http://debayan.wordpress.com http://lug.nitdgp.ac.in -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Bangla OCR progress
On Apr 19, 2009, at 5:16 AM, Debayan Banerjee wrote: I take the liberty of top posting since i copied the mail's contents from archives and bottom posting will require messing with the text below to much. In reply to this particular line: It takes the old matra removal approach, and he's facing the same problems I did (notice in his first example that গ is segmented into 2 parts, and শু is not). Kindly see http://picasaweb.google.com/debayanin/TesseractIndicOCR#5325782929614608690 . Below is the original conversation. On 7/2/08, Golam Mortuza Hossain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] This guy seems to be doing some interesting progress for a Bangla OCR - or more precisely, enabling Bangla in Tesseract. http://debayanin.googlepages.com/hackingtesseract Cool. I had some interaction with the tesseract/ocropus folks, and it sounded like a good base. It's nice that someone's actually doing something with it. It takes the old matra removal approach, and he's facing the same problems I did (notice in his first example that গ is segmented into 2 parts, and শু is not). On the other hand, having something that works even partly is a good start. Yes, it looks definitely interesting. Looks like he needs some more training data - can we provide him with some ? If I remember correctly, there was a sample file for testing completeness of Bengali fonts. Since it has all letters and conjuncts typed-in, the file might be useful for training Tesseract as well . Deepayan should be able to give some input here. He has working experience with R and may have some training sample as well. Well, we have a bunch of unicode documents. For some of them, I have print versions too, and can scan them if needed. A simpler approach would be to render them using different fonts and take screenshots. Apparently he also needs some box-files, whatever they are, which need to be produced using tesseract. I haven't installed tesseract yet, and will try, but let me know if anyone else manages. -Deepayan Dear all, I was working with OCR for my university. I took most of the idea from bocra.sourceforge.net It is written using graphicsmagick library C++. Any suggestion from you about matching alphabet. Here is my progress http://picasaweb.google.com/salahuddin66/OCR# regards salahuddin salahuddin66.blogspot.com -- Be Intelligent, Use GNU/Linux http://debayanin.googlepages.com/ http://debayan.wordpress.com http://lug.nitdgp.ac.in -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
[Ankur-core] E2B dictionary project [Was: Re: waiting for repley ...]
Hello, Thanks for your interests in Ankur English to Bengali dictionary project. You are always welcome to contribute to the project. Normally, you can use dictionary interface to contribute. However, if you want to contribute offline way then please let me know. You can write Juktakhor, ra-phala, ba-phala etc by using hasanta though the interface. For example, 1)প + ্ + র = প্র (PA + Hasanta + RA) 2)স + ্ + ব + প + ্ +ন = স্বপ্ন You can find more on juktakkhor from the link (courtesy Ekushey) http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ekushey/Bangla_Conjunction_Lists.pdf?download Best, On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Mohammad Onupom Rahman onup...@yahoo.com wrote: assalamu alaikum vai golam hossain , otibo poritaper bisoy je bangla vasa vasi jono gosthi eto bishal howa sotteo.. er jonno uccho sikkhai sikkhito howar sohayok english sikkhar jonno web a kono poripurno dictionary nai. so apni ei guru daitto ti nia silen..kintu kormer bahullota and paribarik jhamelai khub somvoboto apni egie uthte paren ni.. ami apnar ei kajke saagoto janie amar khudro agroho apnader kormer proti prokash korsi.. jodi somvob hoy ki vabe apnader ei kormoke ami egie niite pari taha bolben.. ami bangla bijoy jani.and english type o mota muti valo.. kintu apnader unicode dictionary te dekhlam banglar ro fola ba jo fola dewar kono upai nai.. ja bijoy board e sohojei dewa jai..fole issa thaka sotteo dictionary te notun word jog kora jai nai. ei bisoy guli kheyal korben ar pori seshe apnar mail er opekkhai roilam mohammad onupom rhaman -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] New Editor Member of Ankur E2B Dictionary Project
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 5:40 AM, Golam Mortuza Hossain gmhoss...@gmail.com wrote: On behalf of Ankur English to Bengali dictionary project, I am delighted to welcome Rezwan, as the new editor of the dictionary project. He will be joining Dipankar Das and myself to have editing access on Ankur dictionary database. Good news and welcome :) -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] New Editor Member of Ankur E2B Dictionary Project
2009/2/24 Golam Mortuza Hossain gmhoss...@gmail.com Hi All, On behalf of Ankur English to Bengali dictionary project, I am delighted to welcome Rezwan, as the new editor of the dictionary project. He will be joining Dipankar Das and myself to have editing access on Ankur dictionary database. Some of you may already know Rezwan. He is a prolific blogger. He blogs on wide-ranging issues, including several important social issues. He is a regular contributor to Global Voices Online [1] both in English and Bengali. You can read more in his blog http://rezwanul.blogspot.com Welcome Mr. Rezwan. It's a pleasure to have you. We (Ankur Bangladesh) are thinking of arranging several *typeshop *(typing workshop!?:)) in various University in Bangladesh. The idea is to input the Bangla Academy dictionary in a single Database. I shall inform the list all the updates once I have a draft plan. -- = Regards Mahay Alam Khan gpg key: 4FDD30FB General Secretary - Ankur ICT Development Foundation http://www.ankur.org.bd Founder Member - Bangladesh Open Source Network http://www.bdosn.org OpenOffice.org MarCon Bangladesh Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh = -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
[Ankur-core] New Editor Member of Ankur E2B Dictionary Project
Hi All, On behalf of Ankur English to Bengali dictionary project, I am delighted to welcome Rezwan, as the new editor of the dictionary project. He will be joining Dipankar Das and myself to have editing access on Ankur dictionary database. Some of you may already know Rezwan. He is a prolific blogger. He blogs on wide-ranging issues, including several important social issues. He is a regular contributor to Global Voices Online [1] both in English and Bengali. You can read more in his blog http://rezwanul.blogspot.com In last couple of months, I have had several email exchanges with him and he had expressed keen interests on having a free dictionary for Bengali. I had requested him whether he could help Ankur dictionary project with his expertize. I am glad to hear his positive reply. Apart from editing, currently he is also exploring an interesting idea of giving out gift-cheques to volunteers of the project who contribute significant number of new dictionary entries. Personal donations could be one of the funding sources. Finally, current statistics of the dictionary project is available from here http://www.bengalinux.org/cgi-bin/abhidhan/statistics.pl [1] http://globalvoicesonline.org Cheers Golam -- http://methopath.wordpress.com/ -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Firefox Padma :: Support for almost all Bengali News Sites (India + Bangladesh)
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 2:43 AM, Omi m...@omiazad.net wrote: In my point of view this addon sux. It even doesn't change the encoding of the page after converting them into Unicode. Texts becomes garbage if we use this. Try changing your browser encoding to Unicode ( View - Character Encoding - Unicode ). Which version, OS, and default encoding of Firefox have you tried? Please let me know. I will pass your issue to the upstream :-) Best, Golam -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
[Ankur-core] Fwd: Firefox Padma :: Support for almost all Bengali News Sites (India + Bangladesh)
-- Forwarded message -- From: সোহম চ্যাটার্জী soham.chatter...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:03 AM Subject: Re: Firefox Padma :: Support for almost all Bengali News Sites (India + Bangladesh) To: Golam Mortuza Hossain gmhoss...@gmail.com Dear Golam! Let me congratulate you at the outset for a great service to all Bengali speakers. With one stroke a number of significant mile-stones have been crossed. I have installed the new version in both Windows and Linux and have checked out a number of sites and added 10 more sites to the white-list which can also be transformed by the new version. I have observed some glitches, which I am sure, have been obvious to you too. These sites have been added to the white-list - www.jugantor.com www.chandpurkantha.com www.satyeralo.net www.weeklyamod.com www.banglapaper.net www.weeklysonarbangla.com www.bangladesherkhela.info www.canvasonline.biz www.energybangla.com www.computerbarta.com www.suprovatbangladesh.com Some problems that have been observed are - Samokal - র্যাবের নিষ্ক্রিয়তা অার পুলিশের শিথিলতার কারণে রাজধানীর অাইন-শৃঙ্খলা পরিস্্থিতি উদ্্বগেজনক পর্যায়ে পেঁৗছেছে। The text should be - র্যাবের নিষ্ক্রিয়তা আর পুলিশের শিথিলতার কারণে রাজধানীর আইন-শৃঙ্খলা পরিস্থিতি উদ্বেগজনক পর্যায়ে পৌঁছেছে। The Jugantor site has posed some problems for me. While Padma has transformed the main page and most of the site text, but when an article is clicked upon Padma doesnt transform the text neither automatically nor throught the direct method of selecting text and clicking Transform to Unicode. This is think is a site-problem rather than Padma's. Also on installing in Ubuntu Linux, I have messed up the settings and auto-transform is not working any more. I have tried uninstalling and re-installing but the problem persists. Most of the glitches with other fonts, that I have noticed through a quick perusal, mostly concern with া, conjuncts with lower ব, ্য, and ঃ . This only goes to show that an amazing job has been done and I am honored to enjoy this correspondence with you. The next mile-stone is the BanglapediaII font of the Banglapedia site, and maybe the West Bengal Government's Banglarmukh site which uses some WebSamhita font which I have not managed to install and run in IE. Only a few sites remain such as Parabaas, Vinnomot, Viswayan, Medinipur.com, Guruchandali, Prabasi.org, Abasar and Al-Ihsan. But these sites use separate fonts. I would like to see the new mappings when the source is available regarding which you had been discussing with Harshita Vani. I guess it will be much easier to map the fonts then. Thanks and best wishes, Soham -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Fwd: Firefox Padma :: Support for almost all Bengali News Sites (India + Bangladesh)
This is the problem I was talking about. Install Padma and go to Anandabazar's site and see how bad it works. Even it takes huge resource. I'm happy with Poroshmoni.http://www.vistaarc.com/downloads/poroshmoni/ -- Omi Azad - http://omi.net.bd | +8803894550305 | Contributor of Ekushey - http://ekushey.org On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Golam Mortuza Hossain gmhoss...@gmail.comwrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: সোহম চ্যাটার্জী soham.chatter...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:03 AM Subject: Re: Firefox Padma :: Support for almost all Bengali News Sites (India + Bangladesh) To: Golam Mortuza Hossain gmhoss...@gmail.com Dear Golam! Let me congratulate you at the outset for a great service to all Bengali speakers. With one stroke a number of significant mile-stones have been crossed. I have installed the new version in both Windows and Linux and have checked out a number of sites and added 10 more sites to the white-list which can also be transformed by the new version. I have observed some glitches, which I am sure, have been obvious to you too. These sites have been added to the white-list - www.jugantor.com www.chandpurkantha.com www.satyeralo.net www.weeklyamod.com www.banglapaper.net www.weeklysonarbangla.com www.bangladesherkhela.info www.canvasonline.biz www.energybangla.com www.computerbarta.com www.suprovatbangladesh.com Some problems that have been observed are - Samokal - র্যাবের নিষ্ক্রিয়তা অার পুলিশের শিথিলতার কারণে রাজধানীর অাইন-শৃঙ্খলা পরিস্্থিতি উদ্্বগেজনক পর্যায়ে পেঁৗছেছে। The text should be - র্যাবের নিষ্ক্রিয়তা আর পুলিশের শিথিলতার কারণে রাজধানীর আইন-শৃঙ্খলা পরিস্থিতি উদ্বেগজনক পর্যায়ে পৌঁছেছে। The Jugantor site has posed some problems for me. While Padma has transformed the main page and most of the site text, but when an article is clicked upon Padma doesnt transform the text neither automatically nor throught the direct method of selecting text and clicking Transform to Unicode. This is think is a site-problem rather than Padma's. Also on installing in Ubuntu Linux, I have messed up the settings and auto-transform is not working any more. I have tried uninstalling and re-installing but the problem persists. Most of the glitches with other fonts, that I have noticed through a quick perusal, mostly concern with া, conjuncts with lower ব, ্য, and ঃ . This only goes to show that an amazing job has been done and I am honored to enjoy this correspondence with you. The next mile-stone is the BanglapediaII font of the Banglapedia site, and maybe the West Bengal Government's Banglarmukh site which uses some WebSamhita font which I have not managed to install and run in IE. Only a few sites remain such as Parabaas, Vinnomot, Viswayan, Medinipur.com, Guruchandali, Prabasi.org, Abasar and Al-Ihsan. But these sites use separate fonts. I would like to see the new mappings when the source is available regarding which you had been discussing with Harshita Vani. I guess it will be much easier to map the fonts then. Thanks and best wishes, Soham -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Fwd: Firefox Padma :: Support for almost all Bengali News Sites (India + Bangladesh)
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Omi m...@omiazad.net wrote: This is the problem I was talking about. Install Padma and go to Anandabazar's site and see how bad it works. Even it takes huge resource. I'm happy with Poroshmoni. :-)) Oh, now I see your point of view as well as the actual problem. Your company product seems to have found a competitor in Padma! Its good to have competition, specially if it is between open-source and closed-source. Users will benefit :-)) Cheers Golam -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Fwd: Firefox Padma :: Support for almost all Bengali News Sites (India + Bangladesh)
Dude You better watch out before what you say. On 16-Feb-09 7:37 PM, Golam Mortuza Hossain wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Omim...@omiazad.net wrote: This is the problem I was talking about. Install Padma and go to Anandabazar's site and see how bad it works. Even it takes huge resource. I'm happy with Poroshmoni. :-)) Oh, now I see your point of view as well as the actual problem. Your company product seems to have found a competitor in Padma! Its good to have competition, specially if it is between open-source and closed-source. Users will benefit :-)) Cheers Golam -- -- Omi Azad http://omi.net.bd *|* +8803894550305 *|* Contributor of Ekushey http://ekushey.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Fwd: Firefox Padma :: Support for almost all Bengali News Sites (India + Bangladesh)
Dude Where did you pop out from after a long time. I must say hello to you after a loong time. If you have any problem with understanding then I ask (not request) you to go through the thread once again. What do you people think of yourselves? I could say it off the list but I did not cause your mail seems insulting and that is why I'm replying back on the list. On 16-Feb-09 10:02 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: Dear Omi, Please try to be polite and respectful to others on this mailing list. The mail you just sent, unfortunately, cannot be considered to be polite from any angle what so ever. Please consider this as a warning from the mailing list admin. Further repeat of the offence may land you in the ban list for this particular mailing list. Thank you Sayamindu On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Omi Azadm...@omiazad.net wrote: Dude You better watch out before what you say. On 16-Feb-09 7:37 PM, Golam Mortuza Hossain wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Omim...@omiazad.net wrote: This is the problem I was talking about. Install Padma and go to Anandabazar's site and see how bad it works. Even it takes huge resource. I'm happy with Poroshmoni. :-)) Oh, now I see your point of view as well as the actual problem. Your company product seems to have found a competitor in Padma! Its good to have competition, specially if it is between open-source and closed-source. Users will benefit :-)) Cheers Golam -- -- Omi Azadhttp://omi.net.bd *|* +8803894550305 *|* Contributor of Ekusheyhttp://ekushey.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core -- -- Omi Azad http://omi.net.bd *|* +8803894550305 *|* Contributor of Ekushey http://ekushey.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Fwd: Firefox Padma :: Support for almost all Bengali News Sites (India + Bangladesh)
Dear Omi, Please try to be polite and respectful to others on this mailing list. The mail you just sent, unfortunately, cannot be considered to be polite from any angle what so ever. Please consider this as a warning from the mailing list admin. Further repeat of the offence may land you in the ban list for this particular mailing list. Thank you Sayamindu On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Omi Azad m...@omiazad.net wrote: Dude You better watch out before what you say. On 16-Feb-09 7:37 PM, Golam Mortuza Hossain wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Omim...@omiazad.net wrote: This is the problem I was talking about. Install Padma and go to Anandabazar's site and see how bad it works. Even it takes huge resource. I'm happy with Poroshmoni. :-)) Oh, now I see your point of view as well as the actual problem. Your company product seems to have found a competitor in Padma! Its good to have competition, specially if it is between open-source and closed-source. Users will benefit :-)) Cheers Golam -- -- Omi Azad http://omi.net.bd *|* +8803894550305 *|* Contributor of Ekushey http://ekushey.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core -- -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Fwd: Firefox Padma :: Support for almost all Bengali News Sites (India + Bangladesh)
Using words such as sux, and asking people to better watch out before what they say is not considered to be polite. If you have problems with my definition of politeness, you can go elsewhere. Thank you, Sayamindu On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Omi Azad m...@omiazad.net wrote: Dude Where did you pop out from after a long time. I must say hello to you after a loong time. If you have any problem with understanding then I ask (not request) you to go through the thread once again. What do you people think of yourselves? I could say it off the list but I did not cause your mail seems insulting and that is why I'm replying back on the list. On 16-Feb-09 10:02 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: Dear Omi, Please try to be polite and respectful to others on this mailing list. The mail you just sent, unfortunately, cannot be considered to be polite from any angle what so ever. Please consider this as a warning from the mailing list admin. Further repeat of the offence may land you in the ban list for this particular mailing list. Thank you Sayamindu On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Omi Azadm...@omiazad.net wrote: Dude You better watch out before what you say. On 16-Feb-09 7:37 PM, Golam Mortuza Hossain wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Omim...@omiazad.net wrote: This is the problem I was talking about. Install Padma and go to Anandabazar's site and see how bad it works. Even it takes huge resource. I'm happy with Poroshmoni. :-)) Oh, now I see your point of view as well as the actual problem. Your company product seems to have found a competitor in Padma! Its good to have competition, specially if it is between open-source and closed-source. Users will benefit :-)) Cheers Golam -- -- Omi Azadhttp://omi.net.bd *|* +8803894550305 *|* Contributor of Ekusheyhttp://ekushey.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core -- -- Omi Azad http://omi.net.bd *|* +8803894550305 *|* Contributor of Ekushey http://ekushey.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core -- -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
[Ankur-core] Firefox Padma :: Support for almost all Bengali News Sites (India + Bangladesh)
Hi, I am about to submit the support for following Bengali news websites for viewing in Firefox using the extension Padma ( padma.mozdev.org ), for upstream inclusion. Here is an unofficial Padma XPI file that you can install to check it working yourself. It will be great to get your feedback, specially if you find any omission or any other issue. http://www.math.unb.ca/~ghossain/padma-0.4.14-new-bengali.xpi ***Note: If you have Padma already installed, you might need to clean up your old preferences for auto transform to work for new websites. Try about:config in Firefox location bar then remove the old line Padma.autoTransformWhiteList. Here goes the list: Indian Sites: === * Anandabazar (some error fixed) ( http://www.anandabazar.com ) * Bartaman (some error fixed) ( http://www.bartamanpatrika.com ) * Aajkaal ( http://www.aajkaal.net ) * Uttarbanga Sambad ( http://www.uttarbangasambad.com ) Bangladeshi Sites: === * Prothom Alo ( http://www.prothom-alo.com ) * Amar Desh ( http://www.amardeshbd.com ) * Daily Desh Bangla ( http://www.dailydeshbangla.com ) * Amader Shomoy ( http://www.amadershomoy.com ) * Bhorer Kagoj ( http://www.bhorerkagoj.net, http://www.bangladeshnews24.com ) * Ittefaq ( http://www.ittefaq.com ) * Jai Jai Din ( http://www.jaijaidin.com ) * Naya Diganta ( http://www.dailynayadiganta.com ) * Jugantor ( http://www.jugantor.com ) * Manab Zamin ( http://www.manabzamin.net ) * Daily Dinkal ( http://www.daily-dinkal.com ) * Dainik Destiny (http://www.dainikdestiny.com ) * Shamokal ( http://www.shamokal.com ) * Daily Sangbad ( http://www.thedailysangbad.com ) * Daily Sangram ( http://www.dailysangram.com ) Cheers, Golam -- methopath.wordpress.com -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Firefox Padma :: Support for almost all Bengali News Sites (India + Bangladesh)
In my point of view this addon sux. It even doesn't change the encoding of the page after converting them into Unicode. Texts becomes garbage if we use this. -- Omi Azad - http://omi.net.bd | +8803894550305 | Contributor of Ekushey - http://ekushey.org On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Golam Mortuza Hossain gmhoss...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, I am about to submit the support for following Bengali news websites for viewing in Firefox using the extension Padma ( padma.mozdev.org ), for upstream inclusion. Here is an unofficial Padma XPI file that you can install to check it working yourself. It will be great to get your feedback, specially if you find any omission or any other issue. http://www.math.unb.ca/~ghossain/padma-0.4.14-new-bengali.xpihttp://www.math.unb.ca/%7Eghossain/padma-0.4.14-new-bengali.xpi ***Note: If you have Padma already installed, you might need to clean up your old preferences for auto transform to work for new websites. Try about:config in Firefox location bar then remove the old line Padma.autoTransformWhiteList. Here goes the list: Indian Sites: === * Anandabazar (some error fixed) ( http://www.anandabazar.com ) * Bartaman (some error fixed) ( http://www.bartamanpatrika.com ) * Aajkaal ( http://www.aajkaal.net ) * Uttarbanga Sambad ( http://www.uttarbangasambad.com ) Bangladeshi Sites: === * Prothom Alo ( http://www.prothom-alo.com ) * Amar Desh ( http://www.amardeshbd.com ) * Daily Desh Bangla ( http://www.dailydeshbangla.com ) * Amader Shomoy ( http://www.amadershomoy.com ) * Bhorer Kagoj ( http://www.bhorerkagoj.net, http://www.bangladeshnews24.com ) * Ittefaq ( http://www.ittefaq.com ) * Jai Jai Din ( http://www.jaijaidin.com ) * Naya Diganta ( http://www.dailynayadiganta.com ) * Jugantor ( http://www.jugantor.com ) * Manab Zamin ( http://www.manabzamin.net ) * Daily Dinkal ( http://www.daily-dinkal.com ) * Dainik Destiny (http://www.dainikdestiny.com ) * Shamokal ( http://www.shamokal.com ) * Daily Sangbad ( http://www.thedailysangbad.com ) * Daily Sangram ( http://www.dailysangram.com ) Cheers, Golam -- methopath.wordpress.com -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Fwd: Re: Copyright Violation of Baishakhi Inscript Keyboard
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Golam Mortuza Hossain gmhoss...@gmail.com wrote: To update on this issue, I got a response from Prof Basu. Given he didn't want to respond publicly, I guess, its better not to get into this anymore. Oh I am sure that he will find a way to take this public. In fact, I'd rather have you blog the conversation so that I can get a few folks to look at it. The sf.net archives are a mess and I can't find a public URL for your thread. Meanwhile, I have removed the term Bkhi from the layout. Hopefully, it will clear the mess. Does that not implicitly agree with his statement that there was a mess to begin with ? And, if Baishakhi keyboard phraseology is a bone of contention, doesn't Ankur have a LiveCD named Baishakhi to begin with ? What do we do with that ? ~s -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Copyright Violation of Baishakhi Inscript Keyboard
Dear Prof. Basu, First of all, let me congratulate you for taking the huge step of promoting Free Open source Linux OS in Bengali through the means of releasing a localized Bengali, Ubuntu-derivative Linux distribution named Baishakhi. This particular email is in response to your alleged claim of copyright violation of Baishakhi Inscript keyboard layout which is one of several layouts, being used in Ankur's English to Bengali dictionary project [1]. I, being the maintainer of the project, take the responsibility of responding to your claims [your email enclosed below]. I think, it is better to have the terminology clarified before getting into the discussion. As far as I see, there are three aspects of it. (1) Issue of trademark (2) Copyright of Layout design (3) Method of implementing the layout (1) Issue of trademark: As you have claimed, you own the trademark of Baishakhi then I agree we can't use the term Baishakhi in our project. I will make sure the term is not used anymore. (2) Copyright of layout design. You have claimed that Baishakhi Inscript is copyrighted to us. I am amazed to see your tall claim. You, in your specification, have clearly said Baishakhi Inscript is a modified version of Inscript layout design [2]. So, according to you, Baishakhi Inscript is a derivative of Inscript layout design. I am sure, you are aware that according to the terms of GPL the original authors (In this case Bureau of Indian Standards, Govt of India) remain the copyright holder of any derivative work. Just because you have modified some part, doesn't make you an exclusive copyright holder of the design. (3) Method of implementation: You have claimed, that the .klc file that is being used for Baishakhi Inscript in the Bengali Virtual Keyboard of [2], is a minimal modification of baishakhi_inscrpt.klc prepared by us . Would you please care to show, where exactly any Ubuntu version or your Baishakhi Linux uses .klc file (Microsoft layout format) to specify any input layout? Or would you please point out any link where from one can get the source of Baishakhi Linux so that one can check whether baishakhi_inscrpt.klc file exist inside it at all? Question of verifying your claim of minimal modifications, comes later. Otherwise, the question of minimal modification of your .klc file seems just a wishful thinking to me. Regarding wrong mapping of ?, I think that is a bug in my implementation and not a feature. I mainly volunteer for use of Bengali in Free OS like Linux and I have no intension of taking the credit that you deserve. It is really painful to see your allegation, specially when you claim to promote free software movement for Bengali. In any case, I will be happy to hear your response. [1] http://www.bengalinux.org/english-to-bengali-dictionary/ [2] http://www.nltr.org/download/About_Inscript_Keyboard.pdf NB: Given the issue affects one of Ankur (Bengalinux.org) project, I am marking a CC to the core member of the group. Best Regards, Golam On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:03 AM, Ilya S. Lebedev i...@lebedev.net wrote: Hello Golam, I've received a letter from Anupam Basu, director of Society of Natural Language Technology Research complaining of use their registered keyboard layout name Baishakhi Inscript. Please, rename your layout to fix this issue. Thank you. -- Forwarded -- Fro Anupam Basu anupam...@gmail.com To: Ilya S. Lebedev i...@lebedev.net Date:Tue, 20 Jan 2009 11:48:10 +0530 Subject: Copyright Violation of Baishakhi Inscript Keyboard Dear Ilya, The keyboard layout Baishakhi Inscript was developed by Society of Natural Language Technology Research and Mat3Impex. The same was released by the Hon. Minister of IT in September 2008 I have compared the two .klc files (baishakhi_inscrpt.klc prepared by us and another bengali-baishakhi-inscript.klc by Mr. Hossain). There are some minor changes in his .klc file. The most important thing is that in his .klc file there is no '? ' but in our .klc file it is in normal mode of 'w' key. Hence, it will be proper to include our keyboard as the Baishakhi Inscript, copyrighted to us. We will send our .klc file to you. Mr. Hossain can rename his file and publish it with the minimal modification that he has done UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME. Regards, Anupam Basu -- Forwarded -- -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
[Ankur-core] Virtual Keyboard for Bengali
Hi All, Ankur E2B dictionary project http://www.bengalinux.org/english-to-bengali-dictionary/ has now got a new browser-based Bengali Virtual Keyboard. The demo page is here http://www.bengalinux.org/english-to-bengali-dictionary/bengali-virtual-keyboard.htm I guess, currently this is the most sophisticated browser-based virtual keyboard for Bengali available under OSI-approved license. Please try it out and let me know if you face any issue. Cheers Golam - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Ankur dictionary and Bnwebtools new license
Hi all, As it appears, its time for change. Bnwebtool is not available anymore. So I have tentatively decided to drop bnwebtools from Ankur dictionary project. I am playing with few other options and expecting a replacement soon. Cheers Golam On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Golam Mortuza Hossain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Murshed, I am writing you regarding your bnwebtools and its new license. As you know, we use your bnwebtools in Ankur's E2B dictionary project. Frankly, your tool has been extremely useful to the project. I was considering an upgrade of bnwebtools to the latest version. However, your new license terms (v 2.1.0) made me extremely concerned about your tool. In Sourceforge project page http://sourceforge.net/projects/bnwebtools the mentioned license is GPL. On the other hand, in your site http://bnwebtools.sourceforge.net/ the mentioned license is GPL only for non-commercial use. In my understanding, both these licenses are incompatible with each other. GPL doesn't prevent any commercial use. It seems to me your new license also violates Sourceforge terms of service as they allow only OSI-approved license for code hosting. http://alexandria.wiki.sourceforge.net/Terms+of+Use However, the main concern for me is, we allow distribution of the dictionary project under GPL. This includes database as well as client program (CGI scripts) which currently includes your Bnwebtools inside it. So if someone wants s/he can use our dictionary project to take out the bnwebtools and use it for ANY purpose including commercial as per as GPL. This will bypass your intended license completely. Does it mean, we cannot use it in the dictionary project anymore? It will be really helpful if you could clarify about the new license. Given this issue affects Ankur's dictionary project, I am marking this email also to Ankur-core. Thanks in advance for your response. Regards Golam - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] KDE 4 - Bengali Translation
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 7:15 PM, Deepayan Sarkar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have much information on the bn_IN part, as that has more or less completely bypassed the Ankur lists. OK! Should I then presume that one should contribute translations for KDE through Ankur kde-list only for bn until the policy for bn_IN is spelled out? I remember having long discussion on bn, bn_IN issue for Gnome. Similarly, It would be good if Sayamindu, Runa, ... could point the differences in policy for bn_IN for KDE as well. It would be helpful for those who want to contribute to both bn and bn_IN but with suitably modified translations according to their policy. I was planning to take a closer look after 4.1 was out. That's good. Please let us know your comments once 4.1 is out and whether it requires any changes to the current method of translations. Cheers Golam - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
[Ankur-core] KDE 4 - Bengali Translation
Hi All, It seems KDE 4.1 release candidate was out last week and final release is scheduled for next week. Given, this release is going to be the first production release of KDE 4 series, I was wondering whether there are any related plans by some of our Ankur members. Also, I am bit confused about the BN and BN-IN issue. How and where should one contribute new PO file translation? Does one need to contribute separate translation (specially if it doesn't have any country-specific issues) ? It would be helpful if Deepayan, Runa, and others can shed some light on these issues. Thanks and Cheers, Golam -- - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] KDE 4 - Bengali Translation
On 7/23/08, Golam Mortuza Hossain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, It seems KDE 4.1 release candidate was out last week and final release is scheduled for next week. Given, this release is going to be the first production release of KDE 4 series, I was wondering whether there are any related plans by some of our Ankur members. Also, I am bit confused about the BN and BN-IN issue. How and where should one contribute new PO file translation? Does one need to contribute separate translation (specially if it doesn't have any country-specific issues) ? It would be helpful if Deepayan, Runa, and others can shed some light on these issues. I don't have much information on the bn_IN part, as that has more or less completely bypassed the Ankur lists. I haven't been brave enough to update to KDE 4 yet (so don't know the quality of the current translations), and haven't been able to put much effort into translation either. I was planning to take a closer look after 4.1 was out. -Deepayan - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
[Ankur-core] Why Should You Switch to Unicode?
Hi, We all are aware that many local language websites are still continuing the use of non-standard encoding. In a related discussion, Sankarshan has made an interesting suggestion of compiling a set of arguments favoring the use of Unicode. The arguments should be aimed at the people who run websites with local language contents (mainly in Indian sub-continent) using dynamic font technology instead of standard Unicode. Following Sankarshan's suggestion, I am putting forward an initial set of arguments (from my own perspective). Please add your arguments and/or modify/change/delete the the arguments below. We are planning to put up the final version in Ankur website. These arguments can be used as handy reference to pursue people for switching to Unicode. == Why Should You Switch to Unicode? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- By switching to Unicode you can... (*) Instantly expand your current user base Unicode is now supported at a native level in all major operating systems including Windows Vista, XP, Linux, Mac, BSD. One the other hand, dynamics font technology are supported only in a subset of OSs. Thus, switching to Unicode not only allows you to retain your current users but also allows you to expand your user base immediately. (*) Make your contents search-able in search engine like Google --- It is extremely likely that a major fraction of your users reach your website via results of search engine. Switching to Unicode makes your local language contents search-able in search engine like Google. This will lead additional web-traffic to your website. Consequently, it could lead to additional search-engine generated revenue for you. The number of Internet users in Indian subcontinent is going to increase in coming future. A significant portion of new Internet users will be coming from the interior part of the countries. Most of these users will be more comfortable in searching Internet using keywords in their own language. (*) Save future hassles of converting your legacy contents - By continuing the use of non-standard encoding, you will be piling up your archive with non-standard contents which would require a major effort in your part to convert them into standard encoding. You can save future hassles of conversion by switching to Unicode sooner than later. == Cheers Golam -- http://gravity.psu.edu/~hossain/ - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Bangla OCR progress
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: | This guy seems to be doing some interesting progress for a Bangla OCR | - or more precisely, enabling Bangla in Tesseract. | http://debayanin.googlepages.com/hackingtesseract | Looks like he needs some more training data - can we provide him with some ? As an aside, he is working with the Swatantra Malayalam Computing group to fix OCR issues in ml_IN too. And, I'd request someone to validate how much progress he is making in terms of attaining accuracy. - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw www.linkedin.com/in/sankarshan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkhrhSkACgkQXQZpNTcrCzOCZACgjLgyl75jk88pAnNcJqki8/zL 2YsAoIxueuNMbpoCKIK8yXFBVF1gr0M9 =S+gd -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Bangla OCR progress
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] This guy seems to be doing some interesting progress for a Bangla OCR - or more precisely, enabling Bangla in Tesseract. http://debayanin.googlepages.com/hackingtesseract Yes, it looks definitely interesting. Looks like he needs some more training data - can we provide him with some ? If I remember correctly, there was a sample file for testing completeness of Bengali fonts. Since it has all letters and conjuncts typed-in, the file might be useful for training Tesseract as well . Deepayan should be able to give some input here. He has working experience with R and may have some training sample as well. Cheers, Golam -- http://gravity.psu.edu/~hossain/ - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Bangla OCR progress
On 7/2/08, Golam Mortuza Hossain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] This guy seems to be doing some interesting progress for a Bangla OCR - or more precisely, enabling Bangla in Tesseract. http://debayanin.googlepages.com/hackingtesseract Cool. I had some interaction with the tesseract/ocropus folks, and it sounded like a good base. It's nice that someone's actually doing something with it. It takes the old matra removal approach, and he's facing the same problems I did (notice in his first example that গ is segmented into 2 parts, and শু is not). On the other hand, having something that works even partly is a good start. Yes, it looks definitely interesting. Looks like he needs some more training data - can we provide him with some ? If I remember correctly, there was a sample file for testing completeness of Bengali fonts. Since it has all letters and conjuncts typed-in, the file might be useful for training Tesseract as well . Deepayan should be able to give some input here. He has working experience with R and may have some training sample as well. Well, we have a bunch of unicode documents. For some of them, I have print versions too, and can scan them if needed. A simpler approach would be to render them using different fonts and take screenshots. Apparently he also needs some box-files, whatever they are, which need to be produced using tesseract. I haven't installed tesseract yet, and will try, but let me know if anyone else manages. -Deepayan - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] [ooo-bn-trans] Pootle and Bengali L10n for OO.o
Thanks Sankarshan da for the announcement! :) FYI, through out some boot camps in local universities in Dhaka, we had around 10k strings translated for OOo UI. But those were not reviewed yet for volunteer shortage. I think we can send those translated PO files to the OOo Pootle Admin, who can merge and upload? After merging, we can start using OOo Pootle fully for doing l10n. -Jamil On Feb 1, 2008 1:04 PM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, If you read my hastily done forward-ed mail yesterday, you would have by now figured out that Bengali is available on the Pootle instance provided by Sun/OpenOffice.org http://sunvirtuallab.com:32300/bn/ is the URL. As of now, Jamil and yours truly have administrator rights ie. either of us can tick the proper permissions that would allow an interested contributor to start translating. Before you do request for the permissions, please do a read through http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Pootle_User_Guide. And please use the ooo-bn-trans list to announce your intention to contribute to the translations. Let's continue our work to get OpenOffice.org in Bengali. ~sankarshan - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw www.linkedin.com/in/sankarshan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHosRkXQZpNTcrCzMRAspZAKCD/PYZpc/GE8JZrsDCPB//fi62IACeKO3Z 6c/YRvNSSjNsxMTvb/atiMg= =y2q5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] attn: ankur/bengali-linux team, hossain saheb
Dear Dr Agarwala, I am grateful to the ankur online dictionary project. it was a great help to me. Its my pleasure to accept your compliment on behalf of Ankurian and the dictionary project. = interface (I have thought and coined a word 'antarprishto'. is that ok?) If I am not wrong, Ankur members, in the past, have mostly used ইন্টারফেস (interface) for this word. = cascade (I have thought 'propater moto sajan'. is that ok?) = tile horizontally (I have thought 'anubhoomik bhabe sajan'. is that ok?) = tile vertically (I have thought 'ullamba bhabe sajan'. is that ok?) These seems fine to me, =check for updates (I have thought 'sampratikikaran karun'. is that ok?) Here, I will prefer to keep the english word update. Regular Expressions or Wildcards are terms with very specific meanings. So unless there is a Bengali equivalent, it may be best to simply transliterate the terms. but, bengali being such a rich language, I would be interested in accurately translating these IT terms. That would be interesting! However, in my experience, I have seen people to have varied opinion in this regard. Best Regards, Golam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
[Ankur-core] Bangla Spell Checker for Mozilla
Friends,
You will be glad to know that Bangla spell checker extension [0] for
Mozilla [1] products {ie. Firefox and Thunderbird} has released.
Currently it contains around 110k words, which will be enhanced in
future.
You can check the documentation page [2] on how to use the extension
[3]. To know more, please check the News section.
Cheers,
-Jamil
[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extension_(Mozilla)
[1] http://www.mozilla.com/
[2] http://www.ankur.org.bd/wiki/Documentation#Bangla_Spell_Checking_How-to
[3]
http://www.ankur.org.bd/downloads/spell_check/mozilla/bn-BD_dictionary_0.02.xpi
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Re: [Ankur-core] Ankur E2B dictionary Reloaded: Official launch
On Dec 2, 2007 8:09 AM, Golam Mortuza Hossain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I am happy to announce the 'official launch' of the brand new interface of Ankur's English to Bengali dictionary. http://www.bengalinux.org/cgi-bin/abhidhan/index.pl Old bdict.pl link will point to the new interface for backward compatibility. Main features: * Dictionary back-end is now powered by MySQL database system. * Front-end has been enhanced by using CSS, 'bnwebtools'. * Dictionary search now includes lemma-based search results by default. For example, if you search for the word thought then it will also give you results using think. * To remove certain type of duplications, couple of thousand entries from old database have been excluded. So number of 'EDITED' entries in the database now stands at 10,001. * Users can register themselves as members. Every users (registered/unregistered) can contribute but only members with rank of 'EDITOR' are allowed to take final decision. * 'About page' of the dictionary has been re-written. Please have a look and let me know any correction/suggestion on this page. * This dictionary is now numero uno in Google's pagerank for the most relevant search string english to bengali dictionary. Naturally, dictionary access has now doubled to more than 20k hits per month. All sounds great! :)) Dipankar-da: Given your suggestions have been instrumental for this upgrade, I would like to propose your name to be the chief editor of Ankur's Abhidhan. You will be taking mostly editorial decisions. I will continue to do the technical maintainance. Hope, there will be lots of surprising stuffs in future. :) Please feel free to post your comments/suggestions. Cheers Golam -- http://gravity.psu.edu/~hossain/ - SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White Paper from Novell. From the desktop to the data center, Linux is going mainstream. Let it simplify your IT future. http://altfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/8857-50307-18918-4 ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core - SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White Paper from Novell. From the desktop to the data center, Linux is going mainstream. Let it simplify your IT future. http://altfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/8857-50307-18918-4 ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Ankur E2B dictionary Reloaded: Trial launch
Dear Golam bhai, Sorry for late reply. Yes, the new site looks great. :)) Btw, in Dhaka, we started to Localize one OOo Guide by next month. Some updates are given here: http://www.ankur.org.bd/wiki/OOo_Manual_Localization We were planing to try the Anubadok, but it seems not working. Can you please check? http://www.bengalinux.org/cgi-bin/anubadok/index.pl Cheers, -Jamil On Nov 11, 2007 11:17 PM, Golam Mortuza Hossain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I am happy to announce the trial launch of Ankur's new E2B dictionary interface with MySQL backend. New user interface uses CSS extensively and is available at http://www.bengalinux.org/cgi-bin/abhidhan/new/index.pl This is a trial launch so please feel free to do everything you wish. Please let me know your suggestions and/or bugs. As Dipankar-da suggested, it aims to provide some sort of controlled wiki interface. Every user (registered/not-registered) can contribute but the decision of users with rank of 'EDITOR' will make it to the main dictionary. A full example of new interface can be seen here http://www.bengalinux.org/cgi-bin/abhidhan/new/index.pl?en_word=critical I have merged (not in trial run) the database of GPoSTTL with it. This mean this interface knows almost all English words. So it can tell a user whether s/he has made a possible spelling error. After this trial run (hopefully within next few days) old interface will be replaced by the new interface. BTW, I have also slightly modified its logo :) Cheers, Golam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Ankur E2B dictionary Reloaded: Trial launch
On Nov 11, 2007 2:28 PM, Sajed Chowdhury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Golam, It's great to see you continue your good work in machine translation. I was wondering, just how big is the word list? Is it available as sql dump or xml? No of entries in the list is around 12k but no of words are less than that. Yes, its should be available as sql dump though currently its in a mess. I expect this transition to settle down within a week. After that I will put up a link for downloading the sql dump. Since AJAX is all the rage now, have you considered implementing a Google Suggest-like functionality? Not yet! My priority at present is to increase the size of the database. Cheers, Golam Maybe not with the entire word list, but say, top X words, like Google Suggest shows from top X search terms. Also, a natural progression would be to turn the web page into an iGoogle module. I'm not sure this is valuable feedback, but anyways there it is! thanks, -Sajed - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
[Ankur-core] Ankur E2B dictionary Reloaded: Trial launch
Hi All, I am happy to announce the trial launch of Ankur's new E2B dictionary interface with MySQL backend. New user interface uses CSS extensively and is available at http://www.bengalinux.org/cgi-bin/abhidhan/new/index.pl This is a trial launch so please feel free to do everything you wish. Please let me know your suggestions and/or bugs. As Dipankar-da suggested, it aims to provide some sort of controlled wiki interface. Every user (registered/not-registered) can contribute but the decision of users with rank of 'EDITOR' will make it to the main dictionary. A full example of new interface can be seen here http://www.bengalinux.org/cgi-bin/abhidhan/new/index.pl?en_word=critical I have merged (not in trial run) the database of GPoSTTL with it. This mean this interface knows almost all English words. So it can tell a user whether s/he has made a possible spelling error. After this trial run (hopefully within next few days) old interface will be replaced by the new interface. BTW, I have also slightly modified its logo :) Cheers, Golam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Ankur's New Bangla GNU/Linux Distro (H oimonti - হৈমন্তী) Released
Dear Golam bhai, Mainly home users. We are trying with the local PC vendors.. but seems they are not much interested as there is no rules on piracy. Hoping for the best. :) Best, -Jamil On 10/30/07, Golam Mortuza Hossain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, That's good news! Whom are you mainly targeting with this? I mean are they end-user or also some local PC vendor? Cheers, Golam On 10/28/07, Jamil Ahmed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friends, We are glad to inform you that, 2nd installable Bangla distro based on Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) [0] has released. The codename of this release is Hoimonti (হৈমন্তী). The first one, Sraboni (শ্রাবণী), was based on Ubuntu 6.06 (Dapper Drake) [1]. Some new features over the default Gutsy installation: * Customized Debian/Ubuntu Installer: It will take less inputs then usual text installer * After installation it will boot into Bangla locale (ie. bn_BD locale) by default * Some important software are included, o Banshee - Audio Management and Playback application o Gnash - free SWF movie player o Gnome-PPP - modem internet connection tool for the GNOME Desktop o GParted - GNOME partition editor o Ogle - DVD player with support for DVD menus o VLC Player - multimedia player and streamer * Some codecs are included which will help to play various audio/video files out of the box * Some updated deb packages (ie. Mozilla Firefox 2.0.0.8) Some issues: * There might be some issues while installation if the CDROM is old, DMA enable/desabled, S.M.A.R.T. enable/desabled for IDE channels. * If you put IP address during installation but there is no Internet connection, then it will take un-wanted delays cause it tries to download some packages from the Internet. * Internal modems might not work/be detected/need to download restricted modules. * Gutsy itself has some issues which are mentioned in their Release Notes [2]. * Let us know if you get any. Please check, http://www.ankur.org.bd for more details. Regards, -Jamil [0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperDrake [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/ReleaseNotes - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
[Ankur-core] Ankur's New Bangla GNU/Linux Distro (H oimonti - হৈমন্তী) Released
Friends, We are glad to inform you that, 2nd installable Bangla distro based on Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) [0] has released. The codename of this release is Hoimonti (হৈমন্তী). The first one, Sraboni (শ্রাবণী), was based on Ubuntu 6.06 (Dapper Drake) [1]. Some new features over the default Gutsy installation: * Customized Debian/Ubuntu Installer: It will take less inputs then usual text installer * After installation it will boot into Bangla locale (ie. bn_BD locale) by default * Some important software are included, o Banshee - Audio Management and Playback application o Gnash - free SWF movie player o Gnome-PPP - modem internet connection tool for the GNOME Desktop o GParted - GNOME partition editor o Ogle - DVD player with support for DVD menus o VLC Player - multimedia player and streamer * Some codecs are included which will help to play various audio/video files out of the box * Some updated deb packages (ie. Mozilla Firefox 2.0.0.8) Some issues: * There might be some issues while installation if the CDROM is old, DMA enable/desabled, S.M.A.R.T. enable/desabled for IDE channels. * If you put IP address during installation but there is no Internet connection, then it will take un-wanted delays cause it tries to download some packages from the Internet. * Internal modems might not work/be detected/need to download restricted modules. * Gutsy itself has some issues which are mentioned in their Release Notes [2]. * Let us know if you get any. Please check, http://www.ankur.org.bd for more details. Regards, -Jamil [0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperDrake [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/ReleaseNotes - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
[Ankur-core] Dear Ankur Team
Hi, I'm Byung-Hee. I am from Korea. And I'm student of small university in Korea. Here in Korea I knew one people, Afroza KHATUN, who is Ph.D student from Bangladesh. Everyday, I work together with Afroza in laboratory. Still, however, I do not know Bangladesh's language well. But now I am studying Bangladesh's language myself. I want to join the Ankur Team so that my efforts can be help to Afroza. In particular, I like GNOME Translation Team because I am using GNOME desktop on FreeBSD. I'll wait for your approval. Sincerely, -- Byung-Hee HWANG [EMAIL PROTECTED] I trust these two men with my life. They are my two right arms. I cannot insult them by sending them away. -- Vito Corleone, Chapter 1, page 29 - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
[Ankur-core] Ankur Team and Joining
// First time, my email rejected by unknown problem. // So I send mail again with Cc'ed. I wish Ankur Team see this mail. Hi, I'm Byung-Hee. I am from Korea. And I'm student of small university in Korea. Here in Korea I knew one people, Afroza KHATUN, who is Ph.D student from Bangladesh. Everyday, I work together with Afroza in laboratory. Still, however, I do not know Bangladesh's language well. But now I am studying Bangladesh's language myself. I want to join the Ankur Team so that my efforts can be help to Afroza. In particular, I like GNOME Translation Team because I am using GNOME desktop on FreeBSD. I'll wait for your approval. Sincerely, -- Byung-Hee HWANG [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll reason with him. -- Vito Corleone, Chapter 14, page 200 - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Ankur E2B dictionary reaches 12K milsestone
On 10/6/07, Golam Mortuza Hossain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, It has been an unusually long silence in Ankur's mailing list! So I thought that let me break this spell with this announcement. The number of entries in Ankur's English to Bengali Dictionary has now crossed 12K milestone. Yes! Great news. :)) Here are some statistics of it... http://gravity.psu.edu/~hossain/bdict-report.htm Its heartening to see that number of contributions has been steadily increasing!! Personally, I would like to thank all of you who have contributed to this. Sorry, I could not contributed much on it, as I was busy with other stuffs. :( Cheers, Golam -- http://gravity.psu.edu/~hossain/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
[Ankur-core] Bangla Dictionary and Encyclopedia: A Controlled Wiki
[Particularly to Jamil Ahmed and Golam Mortuza Hossain] Can some site be created where we will have a controlled wiki of a Bangla dictionary and encyclopedia. 'Controlled' in the sense that a particular team from us will have the right to edit or change or fix it, but anyone can add any suggestive entry there. Is it possible? Every related entry will be cross-hyperlinked, as it happens in a wiki. And to participate in it for an absolute un-developer like me, will I need to learn a lot of computer things? See, today or tomorrow Bangla OCR is going to arrive. And, when the electronic searchable database starts getting generated through that OCR and Bangla Unicode editing, we will need this thing. This Bangla Wiki. The only difference here will be that bengalinux will take the responsibility of this Wiki. Unlike the Wikipedia thing, where no one is the master. All the entries will be original: we may use materials from anywhere, as we learn from sources, but this will be in that sense 'authored': by bengalinux. As and when we get any time we will be creating entries for that. And all the created and suggested entries will get edited from time to time. I asked this question particularly to GMH and JA, because they have done works in this line. Some other people may have done it too, that I don't know about. Please, tell me, everyone, to get involved in this Wiki and Bangla (Indic) wedpage things, will I need to learn a lot of SW? (Please keep my age in your mind before suggesting a colossal syllabus.) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
[Ankur-core] Text Layout Summit 2007
Hi all, The Text Layout Summit 2007 concluded recently at Glasgow (parallel to Akademy), and the material generated at the meeting is available at http://unifont.org/TextLayout2007/ Cheers, Sayamindu -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
[Ankur-core] Ankur l10n server
Friends, You might know that we do localization (l10n ) camps in different universities in Bangladesh time to time. But after campings, some interested participants want to continue l10n through online. That's why we have currently bought a Virtual Private Server (VPS) Hosting and installed Pootle in it. You can access the server from the URL below. http://www.ankur.org.bd:8080/ This is still an experimental server. I have added Pidgin under Pootle. Hope we will be adding more projects in future. If you are interested for doing Bangla l10n, please mail me *personally* for your account. Currently online registration process is disabled in the site. Comments, suggestions are welcome. :) Regards, -Jamil - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] West Bengal govt and free software
On 6/13/07, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.anandabazar.com/9bus2.htm That URL returns a 404. Hmm!! I posted this one 9th June and url was valid. Anyway this is from their archive http://www.anandabazar.com/archive/1070609/9bus2.htm However are you looking for specific information or a general overview of what's happening related to: Just for a general overview!! Thanks, Golam - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
[Ankur-core] West Bengal govt and free software
Hi all, According to http://www.anandabazar.com/9bus2.htm West Bengal government is moving to free software for its e-governance project. Any other thought on this? Cheers, Golam - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Ankur's E2B dictionary:: Database enhancement
On 6/9/07, Golam Mortuza Hossain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I am planning to replace the current text-file database of Ankur's English to Bengali Dictionary by a more formal database. I am thinking of using SQLite3 as database back-end. Perl binding for SQLite is available, so it will make the transition easy. I am proposing following fields for each row of the database table. Please feel free to give your suggestions for more fields or anything else that you think will be useful. === id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY, en_word TEXT, pos_tag TEXT, bn_word TEXT, pronunciation TEXT, explanation TEXT, example TEXT, original_contributor TEXT, last_editor TEXT status TEXT === Let me give an explicit example: id=123, en_word=critical, pos_tag=JJ, ( Penn TreeBank parts-of-speech tag for adjective) bn_word=সঙ্কটজনক, pronunciation=saṅkaṭ-janok, explanation=অতি প্রতিকূল বা কঠিন অবস্হা, example=তার শারীরিক অবস্থা এখন সঙ্কটজনক।, original_contributor=Some good fellow, last_editor=Another good fellow, status=Unedited For each different Bengali meaning of a given English word there will be different row (entry) in the database. Having a different field for explanation from bn_word will allow the machine translator to use the same database. original_contributor field will help to find out the contributions by a given user (was suggested by Dipankar-da). So please feel free to post your comments/suggestions... This looks good. It might be a good idea to have reasonably flexible tools, from the beginning, that can convert between a database and a plain text format. That way, adding new fields later wouldn't be hard. -Deepayan - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] West Bengal govt and free software
On 09/06/07, Golam Mortuza Hossain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.anandabazar.com/9bus2.htm :( The page cannot be found -- ভাল থাকেন mak --- First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Ankur's English to Bengali Dictionary
On 5/14/07, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: I have updated the interface of Ankur's E2B dictionary with Murshed's really nice BN Web tool. So now people can contribute new Bengali word without changing his/her keyboard layout and it should just work :-) http://www.bengalinux.org/cgi-bin/abhidhan/bdict.pl So please feel free to test it and post any suggestions that you may have. I have a single query: what are the things that you think are required to enhance, augment and make your effort more rich ? In my opinion, there are basically two fronts that require efforts. 1) First and most crucial one to have more contributors. Say, as a first target we want to have a dictionary which has 25,000 words (near same no of definitions that of Pocket Oxford dictionary). For that, we need to have roughly around 50,000 entries in our database (each parts of speech, are counted separately) Currently we have 11,000+ entries. So roughly 100 entries a day, will take us within this target in a year. On the other hand with current rate of roughly 10 entries a day will take ten years!! BTW, during Jamil-bhai's localization camp contributions goes up to few hundreds a day :-) 2) Second aspect is technical. As suggested by Dipankar-da, we can have more richer database. For example, for each entry (English word) apart from current field of Bengali meaning and Parts of speech, we can have more fields like Explanation (ব্যাখ্যা), Usage, Original Contributor, Last editor, etc... Currently, the database is in plain text. However, I have plans to switch into some good database back-end during the course. These are my current thoughts on it but I try to keep myself open to new ideas!! Golam --- http://www.gravity.psu.edu/~hossain/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
[Ankur-core] Revamped interface for online PO Anubadok
Hi all, I have updated the interface for online PO file translator. http://www.bengalinux.org/cgi-bin/anubadok/po/index.pl The interface is now capable of handling header information. Also, it can now manipulate translator's name, email id inside PO catalog. The new interface will set cookie to preserve translator's information. This of course, means you won't have to type your name,.. every time you use the interface. As usual, please feel free to test it and post your suggestions, comments or any bug report. Cheers, Golam -- http://www.gravity.psu.edu/~hossain/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] [Proposal] Changing the assignment of ZWNJ in Probhat
[`] ZWJ [\] ZWNJ +1 I agree with reasoning of Dipankarda and Runa regarding hasanta. Cheers, Golam - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] [Proposal] Changing the assignment of ZWNJ in Probhat
On 5/9/07, Golam Mortuza Hossain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [`] ZWJ [\] ZWNJ +1 I agree with reasoning of Dipankarda and Runa regarding hasanta. Great, so most of us seems ok with above one! :-) Any more changes? Best, -Jamil - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] [Proposal] Changing the assignment of ZWNJ in Probhat
On 5/9/07, Runa B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: das wrote: On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 14:43 -0400, Golam Mortuza Hossain wrote: Since, usability is the main issue, I also agree with Deepayan on relocation of 'hasant'. [ \ ] intuitaviely resembles more like actual hasanta than current [ / ]. This point has occurred to me too, time and again. If [\] does anything, that should be 'hasanta'. But there is a problem. While typing, all the more used things should always be within the three main rows. Use of 'hasanta' is not at all that common in modern Bangla, but the other job that is done by [/] now is conjoining, and that is pretty common, almost once every word in average, or even more than that. And moving just the little finger of the right hand helps in keeping up the speed, that will not be true for [\], every time for a conjoined letter right palm will get physically moved, when the bases of both the palms are fixed on the table, that is the natural position of the palms, and the healthy one for typing for long periods of time (ergonomic too). By just stretching the right little finger you cannot get [\]. You have to move it. This is true for both the keyboards I use, the TVS-Gold (it is a quite reputed one) and even the cramped keyboard of the Acer Aspire 3002 laptop. So, I think it will be true for any keyboard. This speed thing is so very important for the heavy bulk Bangla writers. So, I think, in no way it will be prudent at all to give the conjoining function to the [\] key. I absolutely support Dipankarda's views here about the hasanta. Moving it to \ is an inconvenient way of writing conjuncts. Secondly, about DS' query regarding (in)frequent usage of ZWJ: Sayam's blog entry regarding the matter is pretty much conclusive http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings/2007/04/09/ra-japhala-in-bengali-bn-and-unicode-50/ Unicode rules prescribe the usage of ZWJ (and not ZWNJ) for writing ra-japhala. quote-from-blog/book …Unicode Standard adopts the convention of placing the character U+200D ZWJ immediately after the ra to obtain the ra-yaphaala… /quote-from-blog/book Yes, my point was (and still is) that this use of ZWJ is very very infrequent compared to the use of ZWNJ. At one point you suggested that we have ZWNJ on a shift key and ZWJ on a non-shift key, and I was trying to understand your reasons for that. Since ZWNJ is also used by Uniscribe's older versions perhaps the Again, we seem to have a misunderstanding. Your implication seems to be that ZWNJ no longer has any valid use. Is that what you are trying to suggest? following scheme can be adopted to keep both on non-shift keys: [`] ZWJ [\] ZWNJ I'll be perfectly happy with that. -Deepayan - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] [Proposal] Changing the assignment of ZWNJ in Probhat
On 5/8/07, das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 11:14 -0700, Deepayan Sarkar wrote: Hope that helps. Yeah, it helped. Thank you for this. Why don't you write a good Bangla primer on these things and related matters? Can you suggest me a bit more documentation on Unicode and Bangla, not very technical though, I am no developer. Not those on the unicode-org site. Is there any? Good but simple and short? Why don't you write one in Bangla? The trick is not in writing a guide, the trick is to make people read it. Where would you suggest I put it? Sometimes answers-on-demand are just easier :-) -Deepayan - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] [Proposal] Changing the assignment of ZWNJ in Probhat
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 13:24 -0700, Deepayan Sarkar wrote: The trick is not in writing a guide, the trick is to make people read it. Where would you suggest I put it? Sometimes answers-on-demand are just easier :-) No, I am sorry. People really read when they need it. The GNU-Linux book that I wrote in Bangla was kept on the GLT site for a long time. Around two years. Then, when we got the information that a lot of copies are getting printed out in different colleges, we decided to publish in hard copy primarily because the cost of a book for a student will be much less than a print-out. And, this Unicode and Bangla together is going to be there for a very very long time to come. A lot of people will start learning what it is. Why the Dictionary project of GMH does excite me that much? We are yet to enter into an electronic age, at least in Bangla, most probably because we lack an OCR, breaking the crucial text-database linkage. The whole Bangla lineage is entirely absent electronically. But, it will come, together with this Unicode thing that you people are doing here. Websites and database sites full of Unicode Bangla text: this is the future: we will need it, and as we need, people will read the primer too. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] [Proposal] Changing the assignment of ZWNJ in Probhat
On 4/30/07, das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2007-04-29 at 15:18 +0600, Jamil Ahmed wrote: [ `] = ZWNJ [~] = ZWJ +1 Anyone else? DS/SDG/RunaB/Golam/Others?? (Can't remember a single instance when needed it while writing any Bangla text) :) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] [Proposal] Changing the assignment of ZWNJ in Probhat
Jamil Ahmed wrote: On 4/30/07, das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2007-04-29 at 15:18 +0600, Jamil Ahmed wrote: [ `] = ZWNJ [~] = ZWJ +1 Anyone else? DS/SDG/RunaB/Golam/Others?? I guess I had proposed this..mostly for the ra-japhala issue as mentioned by sayam. [~] = ZWNJ [ `] = ZWJ I'd still go with this. The ZWJ is currently on shift+= (or +) and it'll be easier to write, if it doesn't need a shift key. regards Runa - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] [Proposal] Changing the assignment of ZWNJ in Probhat
On 08/05/07, das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: '~' for ZWNJ FYI, the tilde (four of it) is used for signing ones user name in wikipedia. Note: Couldn't follow the thread, missed the entire conversation. -- ভাল থাকেন mak --- First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] [Proposal] Changing the assignment of ZWNJ in Probhat
On 5/8/07, Runa B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jamil Ahmed wrote: On 4/30/07, das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2007-04-29 at 15:18 +0600, Jamil Ahmed wrote: [ `] = ZWNJ [~] = ZWJ +1 Anyone else? DS/SDG/RunaB/Golam/Others?? I guess I had proposed this..mostly for the ra-japhala issue as mentioned by sayam. [~] = ZWNJ [ `] = ZWJ I'd still go with this. The ZWJ is currently on shift+= (or +) and it'll be easier to write, if it doesn't need a shift key. I'm not sure I understand. Are you proposing that we have the rarely used (only for ra-japhala) ZWJ bound to a non-shift key and the fairly common ZWNJ bound to a shift key? Why? Why are we not trying to use [\]? It seems pointless to have it free. -Deepayan - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] [Proposal] Changing the assignment of ZWNJ in Probhat
On 4/25/07, Deepayan Sarkar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, why is hasanta / and not \ ? Since, usability is the main issue, I also agree with Deepayan on relocation of 'hasant'. [ \ ] intuitaviely resembles more like actual hasanta than current [ / ]. Moreover, It seems that people want both ZWJ and ZWNJ in non-shift charracters. so I suggest [ ` ] = ZWJ( like roof... both under the same roof ... JOINER) [ / ] = ZWNJ ( like wall...a wall between them ... NON-JOINER) [ \ ] = HASANTA( Closely resembles actual hasanta...) :-) As it could be a major upgrade for Probhat layout, it would be nice if people post their other concerns/comments/usability issues that they might have!! Cheers, Golam - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] [Proposal] Changing the assignment of ZWNJ in Probhat
On 09/05/07, Golam Mortuza Hossain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As it could be a major upgrade for Probhat layout, it would be nice if people post their other concerns/comments/usability issues that they might have!! If possible think about the dot / fullstop / period symbol; to get this either go to numeric keypad, or change the layout into English again. -- ভাল থাকেন mak --- First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] [Proposal] Changing the assignment of ZWNJ in Probhat
On 5/8/07, mak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 09/05/07, Golam Mortuza Hossain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As it could be a major upgrade for Probhat layout, it would be nice if people post their other concerns/comments/usability issues that they might have!! If possible think about the dot / fullstop / period symbol; to get this either go to numeric keypad, or change the layout into English again. I would say | (vertical bar) is the more intuitive daanri symbol, but then we'll have to find something for double-daanri. Here's another idea that may or may not be worth pursuing: X has (or at least had) this concept of groups -- in fact what used to happen when you switched a layout was you moved to a new group. (I'm speaking in the past tense because there has been some restructuring with the Xorg move and I'm not sure if this has changed). The interesting thing was that even though a single keystroke could only emit one character, it could also change the group. I used this feature to fake a finite state machine and created a modified probhat layout that had the same key bound to different code points depending on context. So, for example, vowel keys like u would be bound to উ in state 1 and ু in state 2. Pressing any consonant key would change the state to 2. Pressing any vowel key would change to state 1, etc. The advantage of this is that (1) it's more intuitive and (2) frees up more keys. I gave up on using this after moving to Xorg because my old layout changing commands didn't work any more and I couldn't figure out how to fix it. I'm not sure if it's at all possible now, but if it is and if others are interested, this could be the basis of an alternative layout. -Deepayan - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] [Proposal] Changing the assignment of ZWNJ in Probhat
On 5/8/07, Omi Azad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jamil Ahmed wrote: Yes, we can use [`] and [\], both without pressing shift key. :-)) If you are thinking for [\] then I suggest \ = ZWNJ :) Agreed. -Deepayan - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] [Proposal] Changing the assignment of ZWNJ in Probhat
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 11:14 -0700, Deepayan Sarkar wrote: Hope that helps. Yeah, it helped. Thank you for this. Why don't you write a good Bangla primer on these things and related matters? Can you suggest me a bit more documentation on Unicode and Bangla, not very technical though, I am no developer. Not those on the unicode-org site. Is there any? Good but simple and short? Why don't you write one in Bangla? - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] [Proposal] Changing the assignment of ZWNJ in Probhat
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 14:43 -0400, Golam Mortuza Hossain wrote: Since, usability is the main issue, I also agree with Deepayan on relocation of 'hasant'. [ \ ] intuitaviely resembles more like actual hasanta than current [ / ]. This point has occurred to me too, time and again. If [\] does anything, that should be 'hasanta'. But there is a problem. While typing, all the more used things should always be within the three main rows. Use of 'hasanta' is not at all that common in modern Bangla, but the other job that is done by [/] now is conjoining, and that is pretty common, almost once every word in average, or even more than that. And moving just the little finger of the right hand helps in keeping up the speed, that will not be true for [\], every time for a conjoined letter right palm will get physically moved, when the bases of both the palms are fixed on the table, that is the natural position of the palms, and the healthy one for typing for long periods of time (ergonomic too). By just stretching the right little finger you cannot get [\]. You have to move it. This is true for both the keyboards I use, the TVS-Gold (it is a quite reputed one) and even the cramped keyboard of the Acer Aspire 3002 laptop. So, I think it will be true for any keyboard. This speed thing is so very important for the heavy bulk Bangla writers. So, I think, in no way it will be prudent at all to give the conjoining function to the [\] key. -1 - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] [Proposal] Changing the assignment of ZWNJ in Probhat
das wrote: On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 14:43 -0400, Golam Mortuza Hossain wrote: Since, usability is the main issue, I also agree with Deepayan on relocation of 'hasant'. [ \ ] intuitaviely resembles more like actual hasanta than current [ / ]. This point has occurred to me too, time and again. If [\] does anything, that should be 'hasanta'. But there is a problem. While typing, all the more used things should always be within the three main rows. Use of 'hasanta' is not at all that common in modern Bangla, but the other job that is done by [/] now is conjoining, and that is pretty common, almost once every word in average, or even more than that. And moving just the little finger of the right hand helps in keeping up the speed, that will not be true for [\], every time for a conjoined letter right palm will get physically moved, when the bases of both the palms are fixed on the table, that is the natural position of the palms, and the healthy one for typing for long periods of time (ergonomic too). By just stretching the right little finger you cannot get [\]. You have to move it. This is true for both the keyboards I use, the TVS-Gold (it is a quite reputed one) and even the cramped keyboard of the Acer Aspire 3002 laptop. So, I think it will be true for any keyboard. This speed thing is so very important for the heavy bulk Bangla writers. So, I think, in no way it will be prudent at all to give the conjoining function to the [\] key. I absolutely support Dipankarda's views here about the hasanta. Moving it to \ is an inconvenient way of writing conjuncts. Secondly, about DS' query regarding (in)frequent usage of ZWJ: Sayam's blog entry regarding the matter is pretty much conclusive http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings/2007/04/09/ra-japhala-in-bengali-bn-and-unicode-50/ Unicode rules prescribe the usage of ZWJ (and not ZWNJ) for writing ra-japhala. quote-from-blog/book ” …Unicode Standard adopts the convention of placing the character U+200D ZWJ immediately after the ra to obtain the ra-yaphaala…” /quote-from-blog/book Since ZWNJ is also used by Uniscribe's older versions perhaps the following scheme can be adopted to keep both on non-shift keys: [`] ZWJ [\] ZWNJ regards Runa - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Ankur's English to Bengali Dictionary
On 5/6/07, das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. I usually use Probhat, with my Ubuntu keyboard set like this, 'Ctrl-Shift' changes the keyboard from English to Bangla or Bangla to English. Within the Bangla definition itself, at times, one may have to write some English characters or words, but, I don't know, it maybe my OS behaving that way, but within the text field my 'Ctrl-Shift' is not working. I cannot go to English within the field. Can this be changed? Please press [ESC]! Its written inside the 'help' near typing area!! Cheers, Golam - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
[Ankur-core] Ankur's English to Bengali Dictionary
Hi all, I have updated the interface of Ankur's E2B dictionary with Murshed's really nice BN Web tool. So now people can contribute new Bengali word without changing his/her keyboard layout and it should just work :-) http://www.bengalinux.org/cgi-bin/abhidhan/bdict.pl So please feel free to test it and post any suggestions that you may have. In April 2007, for first time Ankur E2B dictionary has reached five digit hits (11,927) per month. Of late, Google ranks it very highly for relevant terms and of course Google ranking is the main reason for the surge. Now, I would like to put a issue for discussion. Does use of Google AdSense would make any sense? What are the main moral/legal issues for/against it? Please feel free to share your frank opinions!! Cheers, Golam - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] Ankur's English to Bengali Dictionary
On 5/6/07, Golam Mortuza Hossain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have updated the interface of Ankur's E2B dictionary with Murshed's really nice BN Web tool. So now people can contribute new Bengali word without changing his/her keyboard layout and it should just work :-) http://www.bengalinux.org/cgi-bin/abhidhan/bdict.pl So please feel free to test it and post any suggestions that you may have. In April 2007, for first time Ankur E2B dictionary has reached five digit hits (11,927) per month. Of late, Google ranks it very highly for relevant terms and of course Google ranking is the main reason for the surge. Now, I would like to put a issue for discussion. Does use of Google AdSense would make any sense? What are the main moral/legal issues for/against it? Please feel free to share your frank opinions!! I have nothing against making money, but the question is who makes it? who pays taxes? etc. I'm not really sure how other open source projects deal with this. It's probably not a big issue for projects essentially run by individuals. Some projects create some sort of legal entity that handles the money. I don't know if going that far is worth it for us. Then there's the question of what's going to be done with the money, which is a whole different issue. -Deepayan - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] [Proposal] Changing the assignment of ZWNJ in Probhat
On Sun, 2007-04-29 at 15:18 +0600, Jamil Ahmed wrote: [ `] = ZWNJ [~] = ZWJ +1 (Can't remember a single instance when needed it while writing any Bangla text) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] [Proposal] Changing the assignment of ZWNJ in Probhat
[ `] = ZWNJ [~] = ZWJ ?? On 4/29/07, S M Mahbub Murshed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Omi Bhai. I raised this issue earlier and DS (IFAIR) argued that we should stick to the standard. S M Mahbub Murshed - Original Message From: Omi Azad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 4:46:52 AM Subject: Re: [Ankur-core] [Proposal] Changing the assignment of ZWNJ in Probhat I think we need ZWNJ more than ZWJ. Whenever we want to de-activate the Hasanta, we need to press ZWNJ and we need ZWJ only for RaJaphola. So ZWNJ should come without pressing Shift key where ever the position is. On 4/28/07, Jamil Ahmed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/26/07, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/26/07, Runa B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Golam Mortuza Hossain wrote: Since we are discussing on the subject of keyboards, I think it might be a nice time to propose a change in Probhat. The ZWNJ character is mapped to -, and this is, IMHO, not a nice thing(tm). +1. Yeah!! This is spot-on. I also agree with Murshed. Both - and + should be kept as it is. My suggestion would be to use [ `] = ZWJ [^] = ZWNJ how about [ `] = ZWJ [~] = ZWNJ and instead of , [^] accommodates ঞ,. +1 +1 If no body objects, then we can submit patch against x.org? Best, `Jamil - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core -- Omi Azad Contributor Bangla Computing and Localization Projects: Ankur: http://www.ankurbangla.org Ekushey: http://www.ekushey.org - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
Re: [Ankur-core] [Proposal] Changing the assignment of ZWNJ in Probhat
On 4/26/07, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/26/07, Runa B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Golam Mortuza Hossain wrote: Since we are discussing on the subject of keyboards, I think it might be a nice time to propose a change in Probhat. The ZWNJ character is mapped to -, and this is, IMHO, not a nice thing(tm). +1. Yeah!! This is spot-on. I also agree with Murshed. Both - and + should be kept as it is. My suggestion would be to use [ `] = ZWJ [^] = ZWNJ how about [ `] = ZWJ [~] = ZWNJ and instead of , [^] accommodates ঞ,. +1 +1 If no body objects, then we can submit patch against x.org? Best, `Jamil - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bengalinux-core mailing list Bengalinux-core@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bengalinux-core
