Re: [board-discuss] Hiring Targeted Developers ...

2022-05-23 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Hi Ilmari, all, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: > I'm thinking of what will be written in the job posting. If the > title contains "mentor" and mentoring will be central in the job > description, it will scare devs away. > Yeah, I agree that past job postings were perhaps over-specific there. The

Re: [board-discuss] Hiring Targeted Developers ...

2022-05-23 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
On 23.5.2022 20.42, Jan Holesovsky wrote: Ilmari Lauhakangas píše v Po 23. 05. 2022 v 20:08 +0300: * Hire a Targeted Developer, with primary focus on mentoring If mentoring is put in the center, it seriously limits the pool of applicants. Most devs who could apply will simply skip it. We know

Re: [board-discuss] Hiring Targeted Developers ...

2022-05-23 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Ilmari, Ilmari Lauhakangas píše v Po 23. 05. 2022 v 20:08 +0300: > > * Hire a Targeted Developer, with primary focus on mentoring > > If mentoring is put in the center, it seriously limits the pool of > applicants. Most devs who could apply will simply skip it. We know > this > from the

Re: [board-discuss] Hiring Targeted Developers ...

2022-05-23 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
On 23.5.2022 19.36, Michael Meeks wrote: * So I propose: * Hire a Targeted Developer, with primary focus on mentoring If mentoring is put in the center, it seriously limits the pool of applicants. Most devs who could apply will simply skip it. We know this from the experience in 2017-2021

[board-discuss] Hiring Targeted Developers ...

2022-05-23 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi everyone, Let me try to provide a simpler proposal that combines several ideas from the thread and focuses on clarifying the management aspect. Hopefully as an E-mail it is easier to interact with the content. * Rationale A selection of points from Paolo's discussion on the

[board-discuss] Re: Drafting Tender "Improve the accessibility checker for PDF/UA"

2022-05-23 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Olivier, Olivier Hallot wrote on 17/05/2022 18:03: I have updated the tender document with the valuable inputs received. My gratitude to C. Strobbe, S. Mohn and T. Vajngerl for their comments. The tender document file is now https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/Gxw82TWcCWiXRBq for

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-23 Thread Paolo Vecchi
HI, On 23/05/2022 14:01, Cor Nouws wrote: Hi Paolo, Paolo Vecchi wrote on 23/05/2022 13:07: On 23/05/2022 12:57, Cor Nouws wrote: It is not the responsibility of the board to micromanage the team. To evaluate the quality of your proposal. It would have been the responsibility of other

Re: [board-discuss] Drafting job posting for "QA analyst"

2022-05-23 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Xisco, Xisco Fauli wrote on 11/05/2022 16:50: The board would like to work together in public with all of you on this job posting before it gets officially published. The current draft is therefore shared at https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/PsGnyGHBXmjzmqB Thanks for that.

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-23 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi, On 23/05/2022 14:30, Thorsten Behrens wrote: Can I repeat my request to get a small group (e.g. Paolo, Kendy as representatives of the two opposing sides here) to first agree on a workable process, to quickly iterate the proposal to something we can all support? First of all, why are you

Re: [board-discuss] Drafting job posting for "part-time web technology expert"

2022-05-23 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi all, Florian Effenberger wrote on 23/05/2022 10:38: Florian Effenberger wrote on 23.05.22 at 10:37: thanks a lot for your feedback, everyone, and thanks a lot Ilmari for driving this! The latest version is available at https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/CSzrtsKJt4GKY7P For

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-23 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Hi Paolo, hi Kendy, all, Paolo Vecchi wrote: > > Hence my proposal for another approach, that can well result in a > > similar situation, but that you sadly didn't respond to for the third or > > fourth time. > > You stated that I should have answered questions, that in my opinion are > answered

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-23 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Paolo, Paolo Vecchi wrote on 23/05/2022 13:07: On 23/05/2022 12:57, Cor Nouws wrote: It is not the responsibility of the board to micromanage the team. To evaluate the quality of your proposal. It would have been the responsibility of other fellow members of the board to contribute

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-23 Thread Paolo Vecchi
On 23/05/2022 12:57, Cor Nouws wrote: It is not the responsibility of the board to micromanage the team. To evaluate the quality of your proposal. It would have been the responsibility of other fellow members of the board to contribute to a proposal but you may have noticed that the

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-23 Thread Cor Nouws
Paolo Vecchi wrote on 23/05/2022 12:49: Hi Cor, On 23/05/2022 12:37, Cor Nouws wrote: It is the boards responsibility to evaluate that. It is not the responsibility of the board to micromanage the team. To evaluate the quality of your proposal. The board has an employees oversight

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-23 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi Cor, On 23/05/2022 12:37, Cor Nouws wrote: It is the boards responsibility to evaluate that. It is not the responsibility of the board to micromanage the team. The board has an employees oversight group which already conducts appraisals which, when conducted in a fair and objective way,

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-23 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Paolo, Paolo Vecchi wrote on 23/05/2022 11:39: part of the process of providing constructive feedback is to evaluate objectively the information available and then propose improvements. Then who says what is objective evaluation and what is not? ... As described in the document I'm sure

Re: [board-discuss] Proposal for in-house developers at TDF

2022-05-23 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi Cor, On 23/05/2022 02:03, Cor Nouws wrote: I think clarifying this is useful. From what I have read, I could easily conclude that mails that give ideas on where developers could work on, are considered to be 'constructive feedback', and that mails with questions about how we the work of

Re: [board-discuss] Drafting job posting for "part-time web technology expert"

2022-05-23 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hello, Florian Effenberger wrote on 23.05.22 at 10:37: thanks a lot for your feedback, everyone, and thanks a lot Ilmari for driving this! The latest version is available at https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/CSzrtsKJt4GKY7P For any last comments and edits, please send them in by

Re: [board-discuss] Drafting job posting for "part-time web technology expert"

2022-05-23 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hello, thanks a lot for your feedback, everyone, and thanks a lot Ilmari for driving this! The latest version is available at https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/CSzrtsKJt4GKY7P For any last comments and edits, please send them in by Friday this week. We then will finalize the job