Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-28 Thread Uwe Altmann
Hi Am 26.05.20 um 17:14 schrieb Paolo Vecchi: > measure the level of nerdiness I like this "level of nerdiness" :-) "How wold you estimate your level of nerdiness on a scale from 0 ("Comuters? wtf is that") to 10 ("I only use programs I wrote myself") -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Uwe Altmann

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-27 Thread toki
On 5/22/20 8:05 PM, Andras Timar wrote: > I disagree. It's a myth. Yes, it can be hard, when firewalls, load > balancers, 5 users etc. are involved. It's the case when one needs > professional support. But for the hobbyist, how hard is it to install > CODE with a few clicks in Univention, or

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-27 Thread toki
On 5/26/20 1:51 PM, Paolo Vecchi wrote: > > > On 26/05/2020 15:43, Thorsten Behrens wrote: >> Paolo Vecchi wrote: >>> 6 As individual users would you like to make a donation to TDF >>> specifically to support the development of LibreOffice Online? >>> >> We can't do that. > Is that a technical

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-26 Thread Brett Cornwall
On May 26, 2020 6:10:44 AM PDT, Paolo Vecchi wrote: >4 I think lately Richard Stallman has been involved in controversial >stuff. Maybe it's safer to use Linus Torvalds to avoid comments? Further, Stallman is actually not very technically proficient these days and makes for a poor example

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-26 Thread Daniel Armando Rodriguez
Agree El 2020-05-26 11:02, Heiko Tietze escribió: Always good to have bike-shedding questions in such a list ;-). First, we have to agree on such a survey including what exactly we want to learn and which questions we have to ask. The proficiency self-estimation is just a way to split answers

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-26 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Just having a bit of fun :-) I'm OK with any terminology you want to use to measure the level of nerdiness of the users. Paolo On 26/05/2020 17:02, Heiko Tietze wrote: > Always good to have bike-shedding questions in such a list ;-). First, we > have to agree on such a survey including what

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-26 Thread Heiko Tietze
Always good to have bike-shedding questions in such a list ;-). First, we have to agree on such a survey including what exactly we want to learn and which questions we have to ask. The proficiency self-estimation is just a way to split answers into more or less experienced people. So back to

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-26 Thread Paolo Vecchi
On 26/05/2020 16:55, Daniel Armando Rodriguez wrote: > El 2020-05-26 09:10, Paolo Vecchi escribió: >> That's a very good proposal Heiko. >> >> Just some amendments: >> >> 1.1 >> (I guess only a few will answer LibreOffice Online as AFAIK isn't that >> easy to build) >> Maybe we should also add

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-26 Thread Daniel Armando Rodriguez
El 2020-05-26 09:10, Paolo Vecchi escribió: That's a very good proposal Heiko. Just some amendments: 1.1 (I guess only a few will answer LibreOffice Online as AFAIK isn't that easy to build) Maybe we should also add Collabora Code and Collabora Online? I have several instances with Collabora

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-26 Thread Paolo Vecchi
On 26/05/2020 16:09, Brett Cornwall wrote: > > On May 26, 2020 6:10:44 AM PDT, Paolo Vecchi > wrote: >> 4 I think lately Richard Stallman has been involved in controversial >> stuff. Maybe it's safer to use Linus Torvalds to avoid comments? > Further, Stallman is actually not very technically

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-26 Thread Paolo Vecchi
On 26/05/2020 15:43, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > Paolo Vecchi wrote: >> 6 As individual users would you like to make a donation to TDF >> specifically to support the development of LibreOffice Online? >> > We can't do that. Is that a technical issue? Not even as a selection box in the donation

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-26 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Paolo Vecchi wrote: > 6 As individual users would you like to make a donation to TDF > specifically to support the development of LibreOffice Online? > We can't do that. Cheers, -- Thorsten signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-26 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Hi all, On 26/05/2020 14:59, Cor Nouws wrote: > > One thing we need to consider: as agreed last Friday in the board > meeting, there will be a public discussion on LOOL and ecosystem first, > before we start implementing solutions. And for that discussion, Paolo, > Franklin, Thorsten and Michael

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-26 Thread Paolo Vecchi
That's a very good proposal Heiko. Just some amendments: 1.1 (I guess only a few will answer LibreOffice Online as AFAIK isn't that easy to build) Maybe we should also add Collabora Code and Collabora Online? I have several instances with Collabora Code as at present it's the only available on

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-26 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Heiko, Heiko Tietze wrote on 26/05/2020 14:43: > Thanks for the input. The draft for a survey is on Nextcloud > https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/ZCX4wrx3wipr5mQ Thanks. Good start! One thing we need to consider: as agreed last Friday in the board meeting, there will be a public

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-26 Thread Heiko Tietze
Thanks for the input. The draft for a survey is on Nextcloud https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/ZCX4wrx3wipr5mQ Framing the questionnaire as input for future development we might get a feeling what percentage of users is interested in LOOL. And hopefully some have experienced success

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-23 Thread Daniel Armando Rodriguez
El 2020-05-23 16:32, Sam Tuke escribió: On 23/05/2020 19:04, Daniel Armando Rodriguez wrote: * Shall enterprises (and even individuals) can deploy their own LOOL to have a cloud based collaborative office suite? + Yes + No + Other (explain) Rather than asking what people think /should/

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-23 Thread Sam Tuke
On 23/05/2020 19:04, Daniel Armando Rodriguez wrote: > * Shall enterprises (and even individuals) can deploy their own LOOL to have  > a cloud based collaborative office suite? > + Yes > + No > + Other (explain) Rather than asking what people think /should/ happen, it's better to ask them about

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-23 Thread Daniel Armando Rodriguez
El 2020-05-22 10:33, Heiko Tietze escribió: On 22.05.20 16:09, Simon Phipps wrote: A survey form would be the best way to go a about it Happy to support this but no idea how to start. Ordinary users cannot answer "What's the best solution for you to get LOOL?" neither "Which kind of

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-23 Thread Paolo Vecchi
Thanks for your feedback and your support Marco. Thanks also for your support and the edits on the wiki page which is making it a lot easier for other people to start working on their own builds: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/BuildingOnline I see that it is getting constantly

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-22 Thread Cor Nouws
Cor Nouws wrote on 22/05/2020 23:57: > So please let's investigate how it works out in practice ;) Ah well, sure, but maybe it's better to wait for the information, write up, that has been promised by Paolo, Michael, Franklin and Thorsten in today's meeting. So let me shut up for now :) Cheers,

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-22 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Daniel, Daniel Armando Rodriguez wrote on 22/05/2020 23:33: > El 2020-05-22 17:26, Cor Nouws escribió: >> It would be good to hear what you think of today's board meeting, and >> what has been presented there about community health and ecosystem. >> (Well, we tried to chat later, but kitchen

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-22 Thread Daniel Armando Rodriguez
El 2020-05-22 17:26, Cor Nouws escribió: Hi Daniel, Daniel Armando Rodriguez wrote on 22/05/2020 22:49: What makes my worry is the response you got about C'bora under TDF's IRC It would be good to hear what you think of today's board meeting, and what has been presented there about

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-22 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Daniel, Daniel Armando Rodriguez wrote on 22/05/2020 22:49: > What makes my worry is the response you got about C'bora under TDF's IRC It would be good to hear what you think of today's board meeting, and what has been presented there about community health and ecosystem. (Well, we tried to

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-22 Thread Daniel Armando Rodriguez
El 2020-05-22 16:05, Andras Timar escribió: Hi, On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 8:40 PM Marco Marinello - Mailing lists wrote: This was totally a pain. The lack of any consistent documentation (until May 5 in the INSTALL file there was just written "Left as an exercise to the reader") was one

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-22 Thread Simon Phipps
On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 9:56 PM Andras Timar wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 10:29 PM Simon Phipps wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 9:06 PM Andras Timar wrote: >> >>> I disagree. It's a myth. Yes, it can be hard, when firewalls, load >>> balancers, 5 users etc. are

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-22 Thread Andras Timar
Hi, On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 10:29 PM Simon Phipps wrote: > Hi! > > On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 9:06 PM Andras Timar wrote: > >> I disagree. It's a myth. Yes, it can be hard, when firewalls, load >> balancers, 5 users etc. are involved. It's the case when one needs >> professional support. But

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-22 Thread Daniel Armando Rodriguez
El 2020-05-22 15:22, Ilmari Lauhakangas escribió: Cor Nouws kirjoitti 22.5.2020 klo 22.15: Hi Marco, Marco Marinello - Mailing lists wrote on 22/05/2020 20:39: Therefore, I totally endorse Paolo's proposal. TDF should, in my opinion, definitely release working stable binaries of online. Many

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-22 Thread Daniel Armando Rodriguez
El 2020-05-22 14:39, Marco Marinello - Mailing lists escribió: Hi all, in September 2019, to get another project up and running (in which the main component is NextCloud), I found myself working on LibreOffice Online. This was totally a pain. The lack of any consistent documentation (until

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-22 Thread Daniel Armando Rodriguez
El 2020-05-22 12:30, Simon Phipps escribió: On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 4:37 PM Daniel Armando Rodriguez wrote: El 2020-05-22 10:33, Heiko Tietze escribió: On 22.05.20 16:09, Simon Phipps wrote: A survey form would be the best way to go a about it Happy to support this but no idea how to

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-22 Thread Simon Phipps
Hi! On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 9:06 PM Andras Timar wrote: > I disagree. It's a myth. Yes, it can be hard, when firewalls, load > balancers, 5 users etc. are involved. It's the case when one needs > professional support. But for the hobbyist, how hard is it to install CODE > with a few clicks

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-22 Thread Andras Timar
Hi, On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 8:40 PM Marco Marinello - Mailing lists < li...@marcomarinello.it> wrote: > This was totally a pain. The lack of any consistent documentation (until > May 5 in the INSTALL file there was just written "Left as an exercise to > the reader") was one of the biggest

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-22 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
Cor Nouws kirjoitti 22.5.2020 klo 22.15: Hi Marco, Marco Marinello - Mailing lists wrote on 22/05/2020 20:39: Therefore, I totally endorse Paolo's proposal. TDF should, in my opinion, definitely release working stable binaries of online. Many many associations out there don't have the money

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-22 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Marco, Marco Marinello - Mailing lists wrote on 22/05/2020 20:39: > Therefore, I totally endorse Paolo's proposal. TDF should, in my > opinion, definitely release working stable binaries of online. Many many > associations out there don't have the money or simply don't need a > professional

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-22 Thread Marco Marinello - Mailing lists
Hi all, in September 2019, to get another project up and running (in which the main component is NextCloud), I found myself working on LibreOffice Online. This was totally a pain. The lack of any consistent documentation (until May 5 in the INSTALL file there was just written "Left as an

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-22 Thread Simon Phipps
On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 4:37 PM Daniel Armando Rodriguez < drodrig...@documentfoundation.org> wrote: > El 2020-05-22 10:33, Heiko Tietze escribió: > > On 22.05.20 16:09, Simon Phipps wrote: > >> A survey form would be the best way to go a about it > > > > Happy to support this but no idea how to

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-22 Thread Daniel Armando Rodriguez
El 2020-05-22 11:52, Thorsten Behrens escribió: Hi Heiko, all, Heiko Tietze wrote: So what I'd need for a survey is a couple of simple questions that everybody can answer. My preferred type of question is multiple-choice with additional "Other" option. Thus my (perhaps unintuitive)

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-22 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Hi Heiko, all, Heiko Tietze wrote: > So what I'd need for a survey is a couple of simple questions that > everybody can answer. My preferred type of question is > multiple-choice with additional "Other" option. > Thus my (perhaps unintuitive) suggestion to start discussing the details on the

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-22 Thread Daniel Armando Rodriguez
El 2020-05-22 10:09, Simon Phipps escribió: A survey form would be the best way to go about it. Also note that - regardless of package availability - as conceived Libreoffice Online is beyond the scope of most individuals as it requires access to cloud infrastructure, familiarity with

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-22 Thread Daniel Armando Rodriguez
El 2020-05-22 10:33, Heiko Tietze escribió: On 22.05.20 16:09, Simon Phipps wrote: A survey form would be the best way to go a about it Happy to support this but no idea how to start. Ordinary users cannot answer "What's the best solution for you to get LOOL?" neither "Which kind of

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-22 Thread Daniel Armando Rodriguez
El 2020-05-22 09:34, Thorsten Behrens escribió: Hi Daniel, all, Daniel Armando Rodriguez wrote: I believe we should know what people expects when downloading a docker img, if it fits the needing or what do they have to deal with. Depends on who's the target audience of that question, I

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-22 Thread Heiko Tietze
On 22.05.20 16:09, Simon Phipps wrote: > A survey form would be the best way to go a about it Happy to support this but no idea how to start. Ordinary users cannot answer "What's the best solution for you to get LOOL?" neither "Which kind of authentication do you prefer? [OpenFoo, LibreBar,

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-22 Thread Simon Phipps
A survey form would be the best way to go about it. Also note that - regardless of package availability - as conceived Libreoffice Online is beyond the scope of most individuals as it requires access to cloud infrastructure, familiarity with certificates and a willingness to manage web security.

Re: [board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-22 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Hi Daniel, all, Daniel Armando Rodriguez wrote: > I believe we should know what people expects when downloading a > docker img, if it fits the needing or what do they have to deal > with. > Depends on who's the target audience of that question, I guess. Possibly the design, or the website list

[board-discuss] LOOL user experience

2020-05-22 Thread Daniel Armando Rodriguez
I'd like to collect experiences on deployment LOOL as it's offered right now and what people think need to be improved. I believe we should know what people expects when downloading a docker img, if it fits the needing or what do they have to deal with. -- Daniel Armando Rodriguez --