square that with the other traditions I
mentioned earlier, and your statement that all religions peddle lies as
truths?
Ritu
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Mac OS X is a rock-solid system that's beautifully
as believing all
religion is evil.
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- that all else ought to be
dismissed as the babbling of fools...
So yes, it depends on the religion, and the form of the particular
religion
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archives.
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mean, come *on*...
The Taste Of Sincerety Maru
To me it read like the unbalanced fervour of a new convert. Especially
in view of the eagerness to trash other belief systems, and ignore
documented facts.
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ancient Indian universities [some of them were
established centuries before Christ was born], Al Azhar was an Islamic
university, established sometime in the 9th century AD and predated the
first Chritian-Era European university by almost 2 centuries.
Ritu
Rich said:
Let's also not forget the great Hellenistic centre of learning at
Alexandria, which included the famous library.
I sometimes wish I can forget it...thinking of what happened still makes
me feel like crying...
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driving myself nuts trying to inject some sort of
historical realism into his delusions, and there is no point to it as he
could research the history himself if he is interested in facts.
Zelazny-Like Maru
Now that is high praise indeed.
Ritu, who is still impressed by Zelazny's research
, Jainism] in response to the oppressive Brahmanic
creed exemplified by Manu's dogma.
Gary - who suspects that he will regret asking this question.
I tried. :)
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Doug wrote:
Not a git, maru
Ah, wisdom. :)
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the United
States on this List?
The closes rivals in terms of being unfriendly to travelers were the Mid
East and the Indian Subcontinent, in that order.
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JDG wrote:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Similarly, I find the notion of bombing a people into democracy and
gratitude stupid. And I really honestly do not believe that Bush's
failure of imagination and my recognition of the same makes me
responsible
that they
have enough of a toe-hold to stay on in Iraq.
None of this means, of course, that they wouldn't crow to high heaven
and proclaim victory the minute a departure is announced.
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Finally!
I have been reading excerpts but it took me almost the entire day to
work my way down to this message.
JDG wrote:
Ritu, it seems that you, Nick, and even Dan missed the point here.
The proposition was made here that the US is responsible for all the
deaths currently occuring
Nick Arnett asked:
Okay... Ritu, did you really mean to say that the Coalition
(not the US,
John) is totally responsible for all of the Iraqis killing
Iraqis these days?
Nope. The Coalition, as I mentioned in the mail John quoted, is
responsible for enabling the situation to arise
that other alternatives would have had to be explored.
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is 1991, and 15 years do not denote
a generational change.
I thought he was pointing out that the US has faced far greater threats
with more equanimity, and not even all that long ago. Nothing about
earlier generations being more stoic than the current one.
Ritu
JDG wrote:
And that's because the policy of the rest of the world was to
support the reign of terror of Saddam Hussein ad infinitum
Only if you share Bush's Manichean world-view. I don't. But we have
covered this ground earlier, before the invasion.
Ritu
and knows
what it is doing.
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', worse than even the ME and the subcontinent
[which was a bit of a surprise]. The article I read ended with a line to
the effect that people were more worried about US immigration than about
terrorism or crime. :)
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such a situation to arise. So, for quite a lot of us,
all the Iraqi deaths post 2003 are on the Coalition's head. Shouldn't be
a surprise as Powell did give a fair warning about breaking and owning.
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the impression that Rich is an old American...
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that, though, I'm not worried.
That's nice. :)
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to wait and see what'd happen there.
Callous as it sounds, sooner or later things will come down to that. The
only question is when and under what circumstances.
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JDG wrote:
O.k., Nick - you've been made President of the United States.
What's your Iraq policy?To stop teaching the Iraqi police and
military? Anything else?
Is this game only for Nick or can anyone play?
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for Iraqis, so how can it
make sense for us to teach them how to make their country secure?
Very few things about this Iraq adventure have made sense. Why should
that change now?
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,
with the actual ceremony going upto 7-8 hours.
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exception to that rule is if you get married in a temple.
I got married in a garden at the rents' home, then in a chapel in Korea,
and then in a vast hall in J's family's gathering house. But we got the
legal certificate this June, when the MHA demanded one.
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, and the
continued loss of some of America's finest sons and daughters.
This would be the same speech in which he also said that 'we are
winning', right?
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presidency has made me more benign towards
Nehru and VP Singh. I still think they were both disastrous in a lot of
important ways, but now I can appreciate the fact that things really
could have been much worse.
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of
it, not sure
how I'll manage that right now
Dan?
A tripod?
The kids? [both of mine have gotten quite good at taking my pics]
I am sure you can think of something. :)
Ritu, who has never seen a hennaed chest before.
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for a
couple of years.
And the economic and social effects are likely to last longer than that.
And since we are all being so cheerful and festive [well, *I* am, what
with typing with hennaed hands], Happy Diwali. :)
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of law, a republican democracy, the separation of
powers, the federal and secular nature of the polity, and individual
freedom of the individuals.
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this - the military commissions
can only try alien UECs, but the term UEC may well be applied to US
citizens. No provision in the Act says that it is applicable to aliens
and aliens alone.
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to be used to argue a
suspension of Haebus Corpus for citizens if the need arises.
If it was my govt I'd be very curious as to why they needed to introduce
the concepts of both UEC and Alien UEC.
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country.
Charlie has answered some other of your points, and since I do not
disagree with him, I'll not mention the same issues.
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people
and blow up some buildings/vehicles. Govts can tear apart the fabric of
a polity. Pointing that out, and resisting it, is not fear-mongering, it
is the duty of every citizen.
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rather than personal safety.
Would *you* describe it as 'fear for personal safety'?
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one term in office. That
is, if no one assassinates you soon after you put the changes into
practice.
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.
For any far-reaching change, you need a wide-enough popular base of
support to make any accidents or disappearance more troublesome than the
thoughts you are preaching. Gandhi is a wonderful case-study of this
phenomenon.
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Charlie Bell wrote:
I know. I was being funny and throwing rotten fruit at you,
metaphorically speaking. :-)
:p
Meanie!
Being nasty and all, and just because I have good taste in books
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Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Hence my comment about a choice (?) between Tweedledumb and
Tweedledumber.
Assign The Correspondence As You Wish Maru
You don't hand out easy assignments, do you? ;)
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dream about reading this *great*
book [dunno which one]. When the hubby tried to wake me up this morning,
I apparently snapped at him and told him to wait until I had read the
last chapter... :)
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a
Kissinger-Watch going on since the 1970s. :)
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...they are such fun. When else can one
see CMs running after and tackling people who try to run away with
ballot boxes?
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war, the frequent
invocation of the mushroom cloud during arguments and debates in the
run-up to the same war, all such things strongly suggested fear.
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are being
passed.
Really nasty people, propagating the most hateful of ideas under the
guise of patriotism and national security. Its sister organisations, the
RSS and the VHP, are equally bad.
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American citizens
- as an enemy combatant to be held indefinitely, without charges or
evidence being presented.
Well, look at the bright side - at least Abu Ghraib isn't a scandal
anymore. It is now the law...
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for public good,
subvert laws and institutions of a country. But this is the first time
I've ever seen a near complete subversion of a constitution. Bush Co
make the BJP look good, and I never thought I'd ever say that about
anybody.
Ritu
GCU Alien Glad About
that
during my pregnancies...
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really care about the religious restrictions/instructions, or about
praying/mosques etc.
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Charlie said:
Charlie said:
Ritu wrote:
That has nothing to do with economic justification for war.
To say the same thing differently, if there is such a
thing as a just
war, economics isn't how it is justified.
On 20/09/2006, at 10:33 AM, jdiebremse wrote:
Somewhere
Charlie wrote:
But I wrote none of the lines you quoted. The first bit is
Nick's. :)
Well, why didn't you say that then? :p
Because I expect the primary attribution to relate directly to the line
one is responding to... :p
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for his statement to be
factually accurate?
And 'tis okay if you don't want to/can't answer that, and I can be
mailed off-list as well. :)
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I said:
I was saving up qone uestion for you:
That was 'one question' btw... :)
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Charlie said:
Ritu wrote:
That has nothing to do with economic justification for war.
To say the same thing differently, if there is such a
thing as a just
war, economics isn't how it is justified.
On 20/09/2006, at 10:33 AM, jdiebremse wrote:
Somewhere the person who
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a bathroom.
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in understanding scriptures, but if we had enough
information, I would not be surprised to find that belief might have
actually hindered such understanding over the centuries rather than
helped it along.
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, but to hold that
belief is prerequisite for the fire...well, that just points to sloppy
writing, or sloppy expression of an idea.
But I think there is no fire, just the power of wishful
thinking to make people feel intense things.
And good writing,let's not forget the good writing...
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it, or point
and laugh or whatever.
That means that it would be rude to say anything about the notion of
'One and Only True Way', doesn't it?
Sniff.
I thought as much...
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Charlie Bell wrote:
Good question. Where does devout become fanatical? I think you
may be onto something here.
When the choices of others are involved?
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Charlie said:
Bloody cold medication says don't drink. So I stopped taking it -
there's no way I'm not drinking at my own party tonight... :D
*g*
Well, from extensive experience, I can tell you that you will be just
fine tonight, but will feel like dying tomorrow morning. :)
Ritu
field.
If God exists, I expect Her to realise that.
Of course, none of the above is surprising given my society and
upbringing. :)
I have a head full of cotton wool, and lovely luminous
mucous. I love
colds, me.
Aww, poor you! Well, you'll feel better tonight...
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GCU Have Fun
Alberto wrote
And who's bringing the fried babies, and who's bringing the
living sacrificial victms whose heart we will extract and eat?
Alberto,
If you don't want to host the party, just say so. We'll just find
another venue. There's no need to rustle up a gruesome menu
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GCU Really
inclined towards bullying don't get away
with it. Since, direct divine intervention hardly occurs, there are a
lot of tales and sayings praising the importance of a strong will, and
self-reliance, and keeping faith in gods while one battles against evil.
:)
Ritu
...In the end, and maybe even in the beginning, there is the
Param Brahm though, and nobody knows anything much about *that*. I
believe reams upon reams were once written to speculate on the PB, and
the best answer/explanation was considered to be 'That art thou'.
Ritu
.
While I have met many believers who eat or don't eat meat because of
their religious beliefs, I am yet to come across anyone who refuses to
eat meat because they have no religious beliefs.
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to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the day Gandhi
launched Satyagraha in South Africa.
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times, have seen pink, blue, green, teal, and red
'unicorns'.
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else's interpretation of what She might or might not
want should matter to me.
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, a boar, man-lion hybrid etc. And one of Shiva's
incarnation was in the form of a monkey, and he was a prophet to the
monkeys.
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Rich said:
Have you read Steinbeck's _St. Katherine_? :)
No, I haven't. I'll look out for it.
Its a short story and the collection is called _The Red Pony_.
A lot of good stories in there. :)
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the Flashman series
highly enough. They are laugh-out-loud funny, and Flashy certainly isn't
a pretentious bore. :)
And he mocks religion often enough to keep you happy...
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that the
British Raj isn't taught in extensive detail in Britain, I had no such
expectations.
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True enough. :)
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religion'.
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Charlie Bell wrote:
What is religious freedom if it isn't that?
That you're, again, deliverately using a cult - NOT a religion
Isn't a cult a subset of religion?
Yep. But it is also a subset of 'society' and 'politics', and
non-religious cults do exist.
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cult watch lists.
The term has become a loaded one and you'd find many such examples in
sociology, psychology and political science.
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Not even strident ones. Many people believe that our fellow great
apes deserve more consideration (limited human rights, if you
will), than, say, cows.
I have nothing against the great apes but why demote the cows to make the
apes feel better?
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to an artificial
womb...I also find myself wondering if women who want to bear their own
children would be considered the ideal women, or if people would start
finding them weird/crazy.
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horoscope is auspicious
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Charlie said:
One of the biggest reason for C-sections over here is to ensure the
time
of birth. So that the kid's horoscope is auspicious
And there you have it. :-)
The prize for silliest possible reason? ;)
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, and the unborn baby hasn't hired the doctor...
Also, once, if, the abortion rates go down, who does what to ensure that
the unwanted born babies are nurtured properly?
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birth? That's not different axiom sets, Dan. That
is just a difference in the length of time we are considering. Everything
else is the same - the individual, and his/her right to life.
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sure that that holds true for all American
pro-choicers either but that is not an area I know much about.
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emergencies? No. But neither do I think that there is any need or point in
banning it. The technology exists. People who want it will get it.
Especially if they are rich. Even if it is illegal. So might as well keep
it legal and tax it high. It is a luxury medical service after all.
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, or implants, works for me.
And I must say that while I can easily think of implanted zygotes as
children [especially when they are mine], it is too much of a stretch for
me to consider unimplanted ones as kids. Might as well start feeling
guilty about deforestation everytime I eat a sprout...
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a read. Even if you can see certain
things before Banksie wants you to see them. It is also a rather dark
book.
_Excession_ ,otoh, was a book which made me laugh out loud many, many
times. I think it just might be my favourite Culture novel.
Ritu
are 'massively
in arrears'. Am not sure how much has actually been paid. But even if we
assume that most of the payments have been made, it is still way less
than 99.9%.
Ritu
* - The biggest contributors here are the countries from the developing
world. The top twenty contributors are from Africa and Asia
to
stay together.
I have never been a fan of keeping people in forcibly, but I do not
share this love of dismemberment, David. :)
Ritu-- I was overstating things to get a reaction, I guess.
If a whole bunch of really different regions want to be one
country, fine. On the other hand, what
nations are also free to
go to war with each other and then make it close to impossible for their
new enemy's citizens to enter their nation.
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messy situation even with the
best of planning and execution, and I doubt that either the planning or
the execution would be anything to write home about.
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boost to sectarian violence, they are almost always
the cause of
further unrest.
Ritu--
I maintain that a peaceful partition is better than
a decade of civil war, followed by the same division.
I am willing to concede the possibility that it might well be true,
David. What I am
Doug Pensinger asked
...anyone else read it yet?
Finished it last September.
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. Wednesday morning I
saw your mail here and thoght, I am delusional... ;)
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.
This makes me wonder who would be paying more attention to his words -
the citizens of his own country, or those of the country he invaded?
Ritu, who still bemused by Bush's claim that Iranians have said they
want nukes.
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announced that I was pregnant. I laughed, made fun of her,
told her she was acting like a cliche...she kept on insisting that I get
myself checked out. And she turned out to be right. She still laughs at
me...
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