Re: New toy (was :just a dumb guy)

2003-06-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
G. D. Akin wrote: I just got new toy, a 30Gb Apple iPod. It is a bit on the spendy side, $499, but it is the best thing for music and/or audio books. I have almost 4400 songs (ripped my CDs to mp3) on the thing and The LOTR audio books and still have almost 10Gb to go. It has great sound, is

Re: A friendly request JVB

2003-06-15 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: A friendly request JVB Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 19:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Before you go and trash this message, I would request that you read it to the end. Jan,

Re: A friendly request JVB

2003-06-15 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 04:06:19AM -0400, Jon Gabriel wrote: Let him take down the page and _permanently_ stop harassing us and I'll never mention his name anywhere, ever again. Well said, Jon. The statement quoted above goes for me, too. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: A friendly request JVB

2003-06-15 Thread Gary Nunn
Jeroen wrote. I recommend that you accept this offer -- otherwise things can and probably will only escalate even further (no, that's not a threat, that's insight into how conflicts can escalate) and nobody stands to gain anything from that. Don't demand apologies; this is the

Re: A friendly request JVB

2003-06-15 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 10:33:57AM -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: We must have read different messages. What I read was, do what I want you to do, or else [despite the fact that I have consistently refused reasonable requests from numerous others to stop my own various poor behaviors], and if you

Re: A friendly request JVB

2003-06-15 Thread Michael Harney
From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] snipped proposition from Jeroen I don't know that I trust him to live up to his end. As long as he has access to the list archives, I don't trust him to truly leave the list alone. I am fine with the suggestion. The way I see it, the list was already

Re: A friendly request JVB

2003-06-15 Thread Erik Reuter
By the way, Gary, I have read your messages and I am quite disappointed at the attitudes shown. You are making things worse. Don't encourage harrassment by making concessions to it. Don't interpret demands and veiled threats as goodwill. Please? -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: WMD

2003-06-15 Thread Jim Sharkey
John D. Giorgis wrote: That's o.k., I participate on a Catholic discussion List where I am considered a flaming liberal. oh yes, and after discussing certain economic policies with my officemates, one of them printed off a picture of the Kremlin for me to hang on my cube, because he

Re: A friendly request JVB

2003-06-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
Michael Harney wrote: I just don't believe he'll stay away from the list like he says he will. As long as he has access to the archives on Yahoo... I believe that he has the will to stay away if he wanted to, but I don't see him wanting to, especially as he makes another plee to be let back

RE: A friendly request JVB

2003-06-15 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Doug Pensinger ... I just don't believe he'll stay away from the list like he says he will. As long as he has access to the archives on Yahoo... I believe that he has the will to stay away if he

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-15 Thread Matt Grimaldi
Richard Baker wrote: In your opinion, are the European media more biased than the US media? In my opinion, the British media, at least, are considerably more balanced than those US news channels I see (CNN, Fox). I can't speak for newspapers though - I just read the (London) Sunday

Re: A friendly request JVB

2003-06-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
Erik: When I've wanted to search various mailing list archives, I've found it extremely annoying when the archive is private. I don't like it. Besides, there is more than the Yahoo archive to consider (mail archive, which cannot be private). and Nick wrote: It wouldn't help. The list is

Re: WMD

2003-06-15 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The election was 2 1/2 years ago. Circumstances and the list have changed. I would guess that between 80-90% of the list were in favor of the invasion, and that at least half have a favorable opinion of Bush right now, though I'm guessing his

Re: WMD

2003-06-15 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A simple breakdown.  The country as a whole split essentially 50/50 Bush/Gore.  What do you think the list split?  I'd bet something like 25/75 Bush/Gore, and that's being generous. So? There's something wrong with that? Tom Beck It suggests that

Re: WMD

2003-06-15 Thread TomFODW
It suggests that the Americans on the list are not representative of the American public, which was my point. So? We're supposed to be? Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last. - Dr

Re: WMD

2003-06-15 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 02:59:17PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It suggests that the Americans on the list are not representative of the American public, which was my point. So? We're supposed to be? Tom, are you having a bad day? Or are you really a conservative in disguise, trying to

Re: Blogging

2003-06-15 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I visited your site today. Wow can you ramble on! Thanks for keeping your L3s to yourself. Was wondering: why aren't you using movable type? I had trouble getting the comments to work, the link was based in England? Kevin T. - VRWC Hi Kevin.

Re: Interpreting language (was RE: A friendly request JVB)

2003-06-15 Thread Jan Coffey
I could have responded to any number of posts but I am responding directly to this one becouse it is the easiest to include everything I wish to say. I would like to note here that I strongly disagree with JvB's ideas and opinions on almost every political topic and many other topics as well,

Re: Interpreting language (was RE: A friendly request JVB)

2003-06-15 Thread Adam C. Lipscomb
Jan wrote: You still don't get that form jeroen (and other's) perspecitve what was done to him did appear to be abusive. Can you not step outside your norms, outside your own feelings and history? Can you not stretch to view anothers perspecitve? Maybe that skill is something you learn when

Re: Interpreting language (was RE: A friendly request JVB)

2003-06-15 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 01:08 PM 6/15/03 -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: You still don't get that form jeroen (and other's) perspecitve what was done to him did appear to be abusive. Did you read the copies of his messages I sent you off-list? Do I need to send you copies of the rest of the messages he sent to the list

Re: A friendly request JVB

2003-06-15 Thread Deborah Harrell
sigh I haven't commented on-list about this latest incident because I truly don't like confrontation, and I usually try to avoid what I think might escalate tensions as well. I don't like having expletives SHOUTED at me, or threats, especially when I've done nothing to deserve such treatment; I

Re: Interpreting language (was RE: A friendly request JVB)

2003-06-15 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:08 PM 6/15/03 -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: You still don't get that form jeroen (and other's) perspecitve what was done to him did appear to be abusive. Did you read the copies of his messages I sent you off-list? Do I need to send you

Re: Interpreting language (was RE: A friendly request JVB)

2003-06-15 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 03:43:13PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: How far down does one have to go, before you let them starT to climb back up? He CAN climb back up. You are not listening, Jan. I posted one way he can do it (others agreed or mentioned similar ways he could show that he made an

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-15 Thread Damon
After the Dryfus affair, Zionism got its start. Modern Zionism started in Eastern Europe--specifically Russia in the late 19th C, where anti-semitism was most virulent--according to my source. The roots of Zionism actually predate the affair by at least a decade. See _A History of the Modern

Re: Native American Rights RE: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-15 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipped all but phrases of interest Uh...phwit lamunkpelechis! kpentai maru Since no-one else has asked...what do these phrases/words mean? (Maru of course I know) Inquiring Minds Would Like To Know Maru :) __ Do

Re: Interpreting language (was RE: A friendly request JVB)

2003-06-15 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 5:43 PM Subject: Re: Interpreting language (was RE: A friendly request JVB) While every person must be responsible for their own actions, and while it is

Re: WMD

2003-06-15 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 02:59 PM 6/15/2003 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It suggests that the Americans on the list are not representative of the American public, which was my point. So? We're supposed to be? Tom, a brief chronology for you: 1) Gautam stated that he considered Brin-L to be weighted heavily

Scouted: Statscan

2003-06-15 Thread Deborah Harrell
Previously used to check miners for stolen diamonds, this technology now checks for injuries in trauma patients. http://www.msnbc.com/news/925708.asp Conventional X-rays take up to 45 minutes to develop, and full-body scans have to be pieced together from several X-rays, taking more time and

RE: Interpreting language (was RE: A friendly request JVB)

2003-06-15 Thread Gary Nunn
Jan wrote Can we all just agree to his proposal and end this thing? Erik replied No. For the last time, Jan, his proposal amounts to blackmail. I and others have explained this. YOU, Jan, are making this worse by encouraging his behavior. Since you are so fond of

Re: Interpreting language (was RE: A friendly request JVB)

2003-06-15 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 10:57:52PM -0400, Gary Nunn wrote: Erik, you also accused me of making the situation worse by encouraging his (Jeroen's) behavior. I may not be the most intelligent person on this list, but I fail to see how giving someone the benefit of the doubt is encouraging bad

Re: WMD

2003-06-15 Thread Damon
Wow, we must either be on different lists, or one of us isn't very perceptive. Of the politically vocal Americans on the list*, I count yourself, Georgis, Tarr, Cofey, Agretto and Cooper as well right of center. Heh heh. Would it surprise you then to know I am a registered Democrat and voted

RE: Interpreting language (was RE: A friendly request JVB)

2003-06-15 Thread Gary Nunn
Erik wrote It seems you are a sucker for whining. You are being naive. That's all I'm going to say to you about this. Erik, you are clearly an intelligent person and I have always enjoyed reading your posts - even when you are being abrasive, so please know that this next comment was

Re: [L3] Re: Communication (was Re: media stratagy meetings)

2003-06-15 Thread Julia Thompson
Deborah Harrell wrote: So *please* tell how you would let a woman know that she looked like a zombie potato chip without being derogatory... huge grin Well, for starters, if the dress just didn't flatter her coloring, I'd just let her know that it's not her best color, and maybe mention

Re: Native American Rights RE: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-15 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 6/15/2003 6:30:13 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Uh...phwit lamunkpelechis! kpentai maru Since no-one else has asked...what do these phrases/words mean? (Maru of course I know) Inquiring Minds Would Like To Know Maru :) Just

Re: Native American Rights RE: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-15 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipped all but phrases of interest Since no-one else has asked...what do these phrases/words mean? (Maru of course I know) Lenape, spelling I am unsure of, but then there are so many ways to properly

Re: [L3] Communication (was Re: media stratagy meetings)

2003-06-15 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote: --- Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip we disagree onthe appropriateness of the actions that were taken concerning spin. At the same time, I hold no negative assessment of Bush et. al. for spinning as I see spinning a

Re: WMD

2003-06-15 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Damon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heh heh. Would it surprise you then to know I am a registered Democrat and voted for Gore? Damon. Well statistically it shocks the hell out of me, Damon. Army officers are what, 90% Republican? Something in that range. = Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL

Re: [L3] Re: Communication (was Re: media stratagy meetings)

2003-06-15 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: So *please* tell how you would let a woman know that she looked like a zombie potato chip without being derogatory... huge grin Well, for starters, if the dress just didn't flatter her coloring, I'd just let her know

Re: WMD

2003-06-15 Thread Michael Harney
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where I am considered a right wing kook. :-) Dan M. But, as you yourself would say, by the standards of American politics, you're pretty far to the left. A simple

Re: Native American Rights RE: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-15 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipped all but phrases of interest Since no-one else has asked...what do these phrases/words mean? (Maru of course I know) Lenape, spelling I am unsure of,

RE: Interpreting language (was RE: A friendly request JVB)

2003-06-15 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Nunn ... He made a peace offering. Regardless of how he worded it, it is a peace offering none the less. He specifically said that he was not making threats, but merely having insight into what will

Re: WMD

2003-06-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
Damon wrote: Wow, we must either be on different lists, or one of us isn't very perceptive. Of the politically vocal Americans on the list*, I count yourself, Georgis, Tarr, Cofey, Agretto and Cooper as well right of center. Heh heh. Would it surprise you then to know I am a registered

Re: WMD

2003-06-15 Thread Damon
Would it surprise any of you that I was once a registered Republican and that, having participated in all the elections starting in 1972, I have never voted for a presidential candidate that lost the popular vote? Huh. So far every presidential candidate I've voted for lost! :( Damon.

Re: WMD

2003-06-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
Damon wrote: Would it surprise any of you that I was once a registered Republican and that, having participated in all the elections starting in 1972, I have never voted for a presidential candidate that lost the popular vote? Huh. So far every presidential candidate I've voted for lost! :(

Re: Hurmuphta newspaper editorial--correction.

2003-06-15 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 6/15/2003 10:15:58 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Earthclan literate, Interesting The spellchecker must have bounced off of literature. Ah well,...Hurmuphta is just a small colonial planet. Never of any importance. (So far.) William

Parrot Fable

2003-06-15 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
A man goes into a petshop and asks for the price of a parrot. That one can program in C++ - it's $500, says the shop-owner. The man then asks about the next parrot to be told that this one costs $1,000 because it can do everything the other parrot can do plus it knows how to use the UNIX