At 03:05 PM 6/1/2003 -0700 d.brin wrote:
Sorry guys. This is unadulterated BS. I swear, we'll all be doomed
if you smart guys don't stop theorizing and look at facts.
Fact, the South has the hugest murder rate and rate of violence. It
is also Gun Central. THE EXPERIMENT HAS BEEN TRIED and
No one here has mentioned non-lethal weapons. The Taser has come a long
way, and fufills all of the requirements of a pistol or rifle, except for
the range, which is limited to 15 feet. However, for home defense, 15 ft is
acceptable, since this is the typical bedroom length. Modern tasers also
From: Chad Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No one here has mentioned non-lethal weapons. The Taser has come a long
way, and fufills all of the requirements of a pistol or rifle, except for
the range, which is limited to 15 feet. However, for home defense, 15 ft is
acceptable, since this is the typical
Bryon Daly wrote:
From: Chad Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No one here has mentioned non-lethal weapons. The Taser has come a long
way, and fufills all of the requirements of a pistol or rifle, except for
the range, which is limited to 15 feet. However, for home defense, 15 ft is
acceptable,
--- Chad Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No one here has mentioned non-lethal weapons.
That's becouse if someone invades you home and you taze them they can bring
civil suits against you for decades.
If you kill them, end of story.
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On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 02:41:44PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
Bryon Daly wrote:
I wonder if 15 minutes is long enough in all cases
2 words:
Zip ties.
1 word:
Run!
You don't have to stay in the house. You can go to a neighbor's, drive
away in your car, or just take off running.
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On 6 Jun 2003 at 17:30, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 02:41:44PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
Bryon Daly wrote:
I wonder if 15 minutes is long enough in all cases
2 words:
Zip ties.
1 word:
Run!
You don't have to stay in the house. You can go to a neighbor's,
My theory. Time travellers trying to eliminate a mighty humanity
from the future. But you're all too tough.
Hmmm... I sniff something here. Is your next book about time-travel?
Alberto Monteiro
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At 09:42 AM 6/3/03 -0700, Chad Cooper wrote:
My suspicion is that there is a strong correlation between
drunk (or
high) and irresponsible gun use.
Then there was the guy about an hour's drive from here who
over the weekend
responded to his wife's request for a divorce by going to her house,
Robert Seeberger wrote:
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On 1 Jun 2003 at 20:58, Robert Seeberger wrote:
I
d.brin wrote:
What's stupid is the notion that cowboy six shooters are a good model
for the coming century. That's just plain dopey.
Can't argue with this last paragraph. We have come a long way since then. We
have so much more advanced firepower available nowadays at a lower cost than
ever
d.brin wrote:
What's stupid is the notion that cowboy six shooters are a good model
for the coming century. That's just plain dopey.
Can't argue with this last paragraph. We have come a long way since then. We
have so much more advanced firepower available nowadays at a lower cost than
ever
At 10:29 AM 6/2/03 -0700, d.brin wrote:
d.brin wrote:
What's stupid is the notion that cowboy six shooters are a good model
for the coming century. That's just plain dopey.
Can't argue with this last paragraph. We have come a long way since then. We
have so much more advanced firepower
d.brin wrote:
d.brin wrote:
What's stupid is the notion that cowboy six shooters are a good model
for the coming century. That's just plain dopey.
Can't argue with this last paragraph. We have come a long way since then. We
have so much more advanced firepower available nowadays at
On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 04:00:18PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
who is still coming to terms with the whole thing,
pun intended?
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Kevin Tarr wrote:
Of course it does. It also includes me. I've hunted with a handgun. I've
carried one while fishing and hiking in case of snakes or rabid animals. A
friend killed two dogs that attacked him while fishing. They weren't rabid
but were feral.
Having a small gun with you when
Personally, I don't plan on giving up my sex-shooter any time soon.
And I do deserve what it's got me, thank you very much.
Yeah, well, I'm not sure I quite deserve what *I've* gotten from a
certain one lately.
Twins? AAAIIGGH!
Yeah! Did anyone pass on my/our best wishes? I want to say how
There's responsible gun culture and irresponsible gun culture. The
former is more likely found in rural areas, the latter more
likely found
in urban areas. There are still gun deaths in rural areas,
but they're
not as likely as ones in urban areas, and usually not as many are just
--- d.brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snipped a lot
But I am also a father, and I do NOT want
schoolteachers armed to the
teeth. I want only rifles in peoples, home, stored
high with the
bolts removed and locked elsewhere. We'll have our
second amendment
guns... and home defense or
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Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 02:26 PM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
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Yeah! Did anyone pass on my/our best wishes? I want to say how
proud I am of you. What a champ
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- d.brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
... I took safety and firing instruction from an Army
officer before owning a gun, and practice ~ yearly
under competent supervision. If someone again
attempts to harm me (or anybody near me), I will not
be
--- Miller, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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To: Killer Bs Discussion
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Yeah! Did anyone pass on my/our best wishes
Wow. Notice how a statistically weird number of brinellers have had
violent encounters?
Take a poll, it's anomalous.
My theory. Time travellers trying to eliminate a mighty humanity
from the future. But you're all too tough.
db
PS... of course we don't know about the wonderful brinellers
PS... of course we don't know about the wonderful brinellers they
already eliminated. Like Janelle Dorfman. Good old Janelle, the
very heart of Brin-L. But then, you don't remember her... in fact,
what am I blathering about? Who's this Janelle
You're thinking of the New and
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
to another, but it applies to me also
I'd hate to be the firefighter who comes into your
house to rescue you,
after you've been breathing enough smoke to have
trouble making sense of
things. Sounds like he or she would stand a good
chance of taking
On 2 Jun 2003 at 16:22, Deborah Harrell wrote:
I'm not trying to toot my own horn, here, but I don't
like being shortchanged in the 'sense' category. What
is the actual percentage of 'adults who often wake
confused too?' My cats have the sense to know that
Quite a few.
Someone kicked out
On 2 Jun 2003 at 16:08, d.brin wrote:
Wow. Notice how a statistically weird number of brinellers have had
violent encounters?
Yep. Several.
Yeah well. Talent for knowing the wrong people, annoying
scientologists and combat 18 (Neo-Nazis) plus a few bar brawls and
two idiots who tryed to
Deborah Harrell wrote:
I'm not trying to toot my own horn, here, but I don't
like being shortchanged in the 'sense' category. What
is the actual percentage of 'adults who often wake
confused too?' My cats have the sense to know that
nap-disturbing footsteps outside our door in the
At 04:08 PM 6/2/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
There's responsible gun culture and irresponsible gun culture. The
former is more likely found in rural areas, the latter more likely found
in urban areas. There are still gun deaths in rural areas, but they're
not as likely as ones in urban
At 03:07 PM 6/2/03 -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote:
--- d.brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snipped a lot
But I am also a father, and I do NOT want
schoolteachers armed to the
teeth. I want only rifles in peoples, home, stored
high with the
bolts removed and locked elsewhere. We'll have our
At 09:33 PM 5/29/2003 -0700 d.brin wrote:
He said the oversight was a lesson about unforeseen tools being used.
No. The lesson is to let all passenger KEEP their pocket knives.
thanks for showing this.
db
So, do you also agree that there was a recent lesson that teachers in
school should
--- d.brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is a big
difference between pen knives - which can be overcome by a roused
majority if brandished by an idiot... and guns which allow an idiot
to cow a majority.
Ture: ...however, the other side is
Without firearms people still kill.
Without
, June 01, 2003 3:00 PM
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--- d.brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is a big
difference between pen knives - which can be overcome by a roused
majority if brandished by an idiot... and guns which allow an idiot
to cow a majority
On 1 Jun 2003 at 12:00, Jan Coffey wrote:
Since the UK has banned firearms violent crime (especially those
involving a perps with firearms) has gone up. Since Texas Nevada
have relaxed their concealed carry laws violent crime (especially
those involving a perp with a gun) have gone down.
On 1 Jun 2003 at 16:29, Han Tacoma wrote:
My Sifu (I trained in Kung-Fu -- let's not get into the multiple
spellings...) gave us a hierarchy of actions when faced with by a
situation (this over 40 years old.) 1. Run whenever possible. 2.
Interesting. How I was taught-
When conflict is
Andrew Crystall (Sun, 01 Jun 2003 21:53:01 +0100) writes:
On 1 Jun 2003 at 16:29, Han Tacoma wrote:
My Sifu (I trained in Kung-Fu -- let's not get into the multiple
spellings...) gave us a hierarchy of actions when faced with by a
situation (this over 40 years old.) 1. Run whenever
On 1 Jun 2003 at 17:09, Han Tacoma wrote:
Andrew Crystall (Sun, 01 Jun 2003 21:53:01 +0100) writes:
On 1 Jun 2003 at 16:29, Han Tacoma wrote:
My Sifu (I trained in Kung-Fu -- let's not get into the multiple
spellings...) gave us a hierarchy of actions when faced with by a
situation
--- Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If someone facing me pulls out a knife, unless they're trained with
it, it's more dangerous to them than to me. A gun is a different
story - any idiot can be dangerous with a gun.
That isn't the same for all. A 100 pound woman when confronted by
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Sorry guys. This is unadulterated BS. I swear, we'll all be doomed
if you smart guys don't
At 08:58 PM 6/1/03 -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote:
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[snip]
All other types -
including Assault
On 1 Jun 2003 at 20:58, Robert Seeberger wrote:
I think this typifies the murder problem in the south. Violence is
normally commited by the ignorant and those with loose control of
their emotions.
So what training with guns would you consider sufficient? My argument
would be that a
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On 1 Jun 2003 at 20:58, Robert Seeberger wrote:
I think this typifies the murder
At 09:13 PM 6/1/2003 -0500, you wrote:
At 08:58 PM 6/1/03 -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote:
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[snip
At 11:04 PM 6/1/2003 -0500, you wrote:
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On 1 Jun 2003 at 20:58, Robert Seeberger wrote
Naturally, I was in rant mode and I am glad you all took it with a
grain - or several - of gunpowder.
Still, some of you have read my essay on gun control. It's the 21st
century and time to stop hewing to inane left-right positions. I
want win-win scenarios. Home rifles may have a role in
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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[snip]
I think this typifies the murder
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Behalf Of Jan Coffey
...
Everyone here is imaginative enough to write fiction I assume. So
Imagine a
situation where someone brakes into your home and quietly sneaks into your
room while you are asleep. Then you
Nick Arnett wrote:
be blowing your own head off. He is bigger and stronger than you and so he
takes the gun from you and pummels you to death with it.
If only you had a loaded handgun within arms reach...
Back to reality, what do you do? Don't think it can't happen to you, it's
happened to me
I'm sitting on this one I guess, but up and on another list so...
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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[Snip]
Back to reality, what do you do? Don't think it can't happen to you, it's
happened to me twice.
I'd hate to be the firefighter who comes into
On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 11:05:20PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote:
Back to reality, what do you do? Don't think it can't happen to you,
it's happened to me twice.
For those of us who thought it couldn't happen to us, could you describe
in more detail the two times that it has happened to you? (each
On 1 Jun 2003 at 23:05, Jan Coffey wrote:
What about those who are right handed but left eyed? (like myself)It
is very hard to accurately shoot a rifle that must be rested on the
shoulder. My aim with that sort of rifle is very very bad. My aim and
skill with a handgun is superb.
Me. I have
At 09:33 PM 5/29/2003 -0700 d.brin wrote:
He said the oversight was a lesson about unforeseen tools being used.
No. The lesson is to let all passenger KEEP their pocket knives.
thanks for showing this.
db
So, do you also agree that there was a recent lesson that teachers in
school should
At 10:21 AM 5/31/2003 -0400 John D. Giorgis wrote:
At 09:33 PM 5/29/2003 -0700 d.brin wrote:
He said the oversight was a lesson about unforeseen tools being used.
No. The lesson is to let all passenger KEEP their pocket knives.
thanks for showing this.
db
So, do you also agree that there
Rob wrote-
Carrying this theme forward is another (and more carefully written) Futurist
essay pointing out that citizens themselves were the most effective elements
of our civilization's defense on 9/11. The only actions that actually saved
lives and thwarted terrorism on that awful day were
From http://www.davidbrin.com/privacyarticles.html :
Carrying this theme forward is another (and more carefully written) Futurist
essay pointing out that citizens themselves were the most effective elements
of our civilization's defense on 9/11. The only actions that actually saved
lives and
He said the oversight was a lesson about unforeseen tools being used.
No. The lesson is to let all passenger KEEP their pocket knives.
thanks for showing this.
db
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