Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Nian Huang
To make my idea a little bit clearer, the reviewers first make the acceptance decision just based on the paper itself, on the condition the coordinate matches the description of the paper. Then the editor promises the publication date and the pdb can be subjected to final quick review, either by

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Miguel Ortiz Lombardía
On 11/08/11 09:13, Nian Huang wrote: To make my idea a little bit clearer, the reviewers first make the acceptance decision just based on the paper itself, on the condition the coordinate matches the description of the paper. Then the editor promises the publication date and the pdb can be

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread raz zarivach
What about going on a different route ? If the author name will be confident as well it may cause the community to judge the scientific part by itself without relating identities and locations. In that case you may even allow the release of coordinates. Another problem that may rise from

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Eric Sauvage
Any structure deposited at the PDB should be peer-reviewed by a crystallographer before acceptance by the PDB and his name should be asociated to the pdb. This job cannot be done by the pdb team but a crystallographer, not working in the field of the depositor to avoid conflict, could detect

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread David Briggs
Perhaps paper and structure should be peer-reviewed independently, and only when both have been given the green-light should both be released, simultaneously. I don't see why we should be especially precious about reviewing structural data - we gladly hand functional data, protocols, etc to

[ccp4bb] omit map calculation in CCP4

2011-08-11 Thread sadaf iqbal
Hello everyone, Do anybody know the correct procedure for calculating omit map in CCP4, if one need to reduce the bias from the Molecular Replacement structure. I am confused about the two options, one is fft map calculation while the other is OMIT map calculation in Map Mask Utilities

Re: [ccp4bb] omit map calculation in CCP4

2011-08-11 Thread Vellieux Frederic
sadaf iqbal wrote: Hello everyone, Do anybody know the correct procedure for calculating omit map in CCP4, if one need to reduce the bias from the Molecular Replacement structure. I am confused about the two options, one is fft map calculation while the other is OMIT map calculation in Map

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Antony Oliver
Surely in this ''modern age data could be uploaded to review server whereby a reviewer could be given privileged access - to be able to see the model and maps, via something like AstexViewer, to gauge the quality and reliability of modelling - without actually getting the PDB coordinates or

[ccp4bb] Good performing low resolution iterative model building programs?

2011-08-11 Thread Francis E Reyes
Hi ccp4bb'ers, Of the automatic model builders out there (autobuild, arp/warp, buccaneer, insert your own here), are there any opinions/personal experience on which of these perform well in low resolution cases ( worse than say 3.5-3.8 ) ? Thanks! F

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Garib N Murshudov
Dear all Does anybody have the list (pdb as well as structure factors) of all retracted structures? regards Garib On 10 Aug 2011, at 22:01, David Schuller wrote: Time to fuel up the gossip engines for the approaching weekend:

Re: [ccp4bb] Good performing low resolution iterative model building programs?

2011-08-11 Thread Antony Oliver
Dear Frances, I think the answer is going to somewhat depend on whether you need / want de-novo building, i.e straight from independent phases or if you have a good quality homology model, that you can use as a reference structure, or a good starting point. New good things that are available

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Nat Echols
2011/8/11 Antony Oliver antony.oli...@sussex.ac.uk Surely in this ''modern age data could be uploaded to review server whereby a reviewer could be given privileged access - to be able to see the model and maps, via something like AstexViewer, to gauge the quality and reliability of modelling

[ccp4bb] BAVERAGE and anisotropic refinement

2011-08-11 Thread David Schuller
At the request of reviewers, I worked up the average B factor for some structures using CCP4 programme BAVERAGE. Here's one example: Protein33.1 Solvent53.9 Ligand32.9 I think the reviewer's question was directed at the quality of the model for the ligand, but I notice that the

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Antony Oliver
Message below... Dear Nat, I think this has actually been implemented, at least on the European side of things. I've recently uploaded some structures to the PDB, via the EBI's deposition service, and was given a link to the ePDB, with this very useful information. Admittedly, I should have

Re: [ccp4bb] BAVERAGE and anisotropic refinement

2011-08-11 Thread Dale Tronrud
If you were to calculate the average B factor of the subset of atoms in the protein that are exposed on the surface you would find that this is higher as well. Most solvent atoms are on the surface of the molecule and everything has higher mobility there. I would be suspicious of a model

Re: [ccp4bb] Good performing low resolution iterative model building programs?

2011-08-11 Thread Pete Meyer
Hi Francis, You may want to look into ACMI, which is designed for building into low resolution maps. In my experience with lower resolution data (4.2 - 4.5), performing well is a different story than at higher resolutions. At low resolution, I'd regard a composite omit map calculated from

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Dale Tronrud
It is my understanding that there is no retracted category in the wwPDB. Models are obsoleted, usually with a replacement but sometimes without. I don't know of a way to distinguish between those models obsoleted for gross error and those simply replaced by one of higher quality. Surely this

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Randy Read
And there's yet another one in today's Nature -- the paper hasn't been retracted completely but the structural conclusions have: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v476/n7359/full/nature10281.html Corrigendum: Migrastatin analogues target fascin to block tumour metastasis Again, the PDB

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Dale, The data looks fine but the refinement for 3kj5, 2qns's 'improved' model, is still pretty poor. Looking at the EDS maps for this entry there is some (model bias) density for the ligand but, it is clearly not there. The PDB_REDO optimization

Re: [ccp4bb] anomalous scatterer

2011-08-11 Thread Michael Thompson
Hello, Regarding your empty Tb site: How similar are the two copies of the protein in the ASU? You can overlay the two individual copies from the ASU to check and see if the binding site without density has been distorted somehow so that it can no longer accomodate the Tb, maybe due to crystal

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Diana Tomchick
A quick glance at the header of the PDB file shows that there is one glaring discrepancy between it and the table in the paper that hasn't been mentioned yet in this forum. The data completeness (for data collection) reported in the paper is 95.7%, but in the header of the PDB file (actually,

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Nat Echols
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu wrote: A quick glance at the header of the PDB file shows that there is one glaring discrepancy between it and the table in the paper that hasn't been mentioned yet in this forum. The data completeness (for data

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Thomas Womack
On 11 Aug 2011, at 17:40, Diana Tomchick wrote: A quick glance at the header of the PDB file shows that there is one glaring discrepancy between it and the table in the paper that hasn't been mentioned yet in this forum. The data completeness (for data collection) reported in the paper is

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Dale Tronrud
I agree with Prof. Tomchick: if the point of your paper is your crystal structure of the binding of a ligand to a protein you should include a figure with the omit map (displayed without a cover radius) that convinced you that binding took place. I prefer that map over some simulated,

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Gloria Borgstahl
Dale, This is exactly the conversation I just had with my student Jason, right on! The paper we are writing just now, this is figure 1. But I always get rejected by Nature, so go figure. On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Dale Tronrud det...@uoxray.uoregon.eduwrote: I agree with Prof. Tomchick:

[ccp4bb] Truncate style Wilson plot?

2011-08-11 Thread Ethan Merritt
Hi all, Can someone confirm what exactly is the difference between the Wilson plot estimated B factor and the truncate style Wilson plot estimated B factor output by ctruncate? Is it simply the difference between plotting the distribution of I before and after the French+Wilson Bayesian

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Judith Murray-Rust
Just another point - the macromolecular community are not the only ones with a problem - I've just been shown http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/ which sheds some light on retractions. And also maybe says something about why original data should be available/part of the review process. J

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Maia Cherney
As the macromolecular crystallography becomes more automated and user-friendly many biologists learn to solve structures and they can make mistakes. Besides, new data become available that can give new ideas etc. I don't think that's so horrible to make an honest mistake and retract papers.

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Colin Nave
Well this article seems to have been refereed to 11 times so presumably these 11 publications also have to be retracted. I haven't checked the number of citations for each of the 11 publications but articles citing these will also be in doubt. And then .. It reminds me somewhat of the

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Ibrahim Moustafa
But, the mistakes in the retracted work could have been avoided easily if the person did the structure spent some efforts to understand/know what he/she is doing! or if the authors asked for some help from professionals. Ibrahim -- Ibrahim M. Moustafa, Ph.D. Biochemistry and Molecular Biology

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Dale Tronrud
Yes, science is done by humans and mistakes will be made. Kudos to the lab involved for owning up the mistake and doing the right thing. It takes integrity to stand up in public and say I screwed up. However, as a community of artisans we should not pass up the opportunity to learn from

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Jacob Keller
Do reviewers ever get taken to task for these things? Don't they share at least some of the responsibility? Maybe they should have to give their explicit imprimatur, perhaps only after the fact, if published? JPK 2011/8/11 Colin Nave colin.n...@diamond.ac.uk: Well this article seems to have

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Adrian Goldman
I will second this. As an editor, i went through 8 referees - including all of the authors' suggestions- to find just two. I was supposed to find three, but we gave up at two. Another, related point: I was at an iucr meeting a few years ago and complained to Howard E, asking him why he was

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread David Schuller
link: http://iai.asm.org/cgi/reprint/IAI.05661-11v1 Ferric C. Fang Arturo Casadevall Retracted Science and the Retraction Index Infec. Immun. doi:10.1128/IAI.05661-11 Abstract: Articles may be retracted when their findings are no longer considered trustworthy due to scientific misconduct or

Re: [ccp4bb] Another paper structure retracted

2011-08-11 Thread Jacob Keller
I think they fudged the data in this paper... JPK On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 6:30 PM, David Schuller dj...@cornell.edu wrote: link: http://iai.asm.org/cgi/reprint/IAI.05661-11v1 Ferric C. Fang Arturo Casadevall Retracted Science and the Retraction Index Infec. Immun. doi:10.1128/IAI.05661-11