Re: [ccp4bb] refinement hanging--what am I missing?

2013-04-29 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Patrick, I don't know how many comments you got offline, but here are my comments: 1) Ice rings. Even rings that are hardly visible by eye can disturb the data such that Rfactors get stuck in the range you mention. Especially XDS, which is otherwise an excellent data processing program,

Re: [ccp4bb] Poor electron density in some of the chains in an asymmetric unit

2013-04-29 Thread Eleanor Dodson
There isnt much information here! Funny that 3 chains are poor - does that mean one and a half heterodimers? I presume you have checked spacegroup? Zanuda will test to see if any higher symmetry is present.. Eleanor On 29 April 2013 06:02, sonali dhindwal sonali11dhind...@yahoo.co.inwrote:

Re: [ccp4bb] Poor electron density in some of the chains in an asymmetric unit

2013-04-29 Thread sonali dhindwal
Dear Eleanor, Thanks for the suggestion, I just checked on the Zanuda program, it is also giving P1 as the best possible spacegroup for the molecule. and by not refining well, I meant for the electron density which is broken at many places at main chain, and poor electron density for the

Re: [ccp4bb] refinement hanging--what am I missing?

2013-04-29 Thread Edward A. Berry
herman.schreu...@sanofi.com wrote: I would process or expand the data to P1, also expand your pdb file to P1 and refine in P1 to see what happens. I would also run Phaser or some other molecular replacement program on the P1 data to see what comes out. process or expand? I don't understand

Re: [ccp4bb] refinement hanging--what am I missing?

2013-04-29 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi Edward, I and also others in the bulletin boards have had cases where the protein would build e.g. tetramers with internal 222 symmetry, which would pack with the 2-folds parallel to the crystallographic 2-folds with say one 2-fold a little shifted from the crystallographic position. In

Re: [ccp4bb] refinement hanging--what am I missing?

2013-04-29 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Ed, just FYI: while this does not apply in the ccp4/mtz world, the fact you might be missing is that in some refinement environments merging is carried out by the refinement program so that the actual data can be kept unmerged and e.g. the

Re: [ccp4bb] Poor electron density in some of the chains in an asymmetric unit

2013-04-29 Thread Roger Rowlett
FYI, I do know of one example of a solved structure where some of the molecules in the ASU are poorly defined. In 1EKJ, 4 of the 8 molecules in the ASU have low B-factors (mid 30s) and 4 have high B-factors (50s-60s). In the unit cell these layers alternate. It is possible, if everything else

Re: [ccp4bb] Poor electron density in some of the chains in an asymmetric unit

2013-04-29 Thread Fischmann, Thierry
You may also get some insights from TLS refinement. Regards Thierry From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Roger Rowlett Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:27 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Poor electron density in some of the chains in an

Re: [ccp4bb] Poor electron density in some of the chains in an asymmetric unit

2013-04-29 Thread sonali dhindwal
Dear All, Thanks for the help and suggestion Francis, we used molrep for the structure solution. As I told that we already have the structure of the same protein, but a variant. So, we used its single chain (heteromer) as a model for molecular replacement. and Eleanor, I deleted once that

Re: [ccp4bb] Poor electron density in some of the chains in an asymmetric unit

2013-04-29 Thread David Schuller
On 04/29/13 12:26, Roger Rowlett wrote: FYI, I do know of one example of a solved structure where some of the molecules in the ASU are poorly defined. In 1EKJ, 4 of the 8 molecules in the ASU have low B-factors (mid 30s) and 4 have high B-factors (50s-60s). In the unit cell these layers

Re: [ccp4bb] Poor electron density in some of the chains in an asymmetric unit

2013-04-29 Thread Mark van Raaij
and 2VAK...average Bs for the twelve, sequence identical, chains vary from 28 to 53. On 29 Apr 2013, at 22:09, David Schuller wrote: On 04/29/13 12:26, Roger Rowlett wrote: FYI, I do know of one example of a solved structure where some of the molecules in the ASU are poorly defined. In

[ccp4bb] Crystals in the news

2013-04-29 Thread David Schuller
http://news.discovery.com/earth/rocks-fossils/sea-squirt-crystal-solved-130429.htm Crystal Puzzle Solved with Sea Squirt RE vaterite Science 26 April 2013: 454-457.[DOI:10.1126/science.1232139]