[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Improve diffraction ...any ideas?

2013-05-24 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Urmi, My first question, did you collect a full data set at a synchrotron and processed this data? I think your diffraction is not as bad as you think it is, and you may get 3-3.5 Å data from it. I asume the crystal structure of the antigen is known and even with 4.5 Å data you could run

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Short contact between symmetry equivalents

2013-05-28 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Deav Kavya, The acetate is probably conformationally disordered. I would examine the electron density maps to see if there might be an alternative orientation. If so, you could model this and with occupancies around 0.5 your validation problem would be solved and your model would probably be

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Hi

2013-06-11 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi Wei, if you tried both P3 and P6 and all subgroups, the right space group should have been in there. By the way, the number of monomers in the a.u. will depend on the exact space group (e.g. 1 in P622, 2 in P6 or P321, 4 in P3). There might be a conformational change, which causes the MR

[ccp4bb] PISA and ligands with non-natural amino acids

2013-06-11 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Bulletin board, I am looking at protein complexes with ligands containing non-natural amino acids. When I run PISA, I get the total area of the ligand, as well as the area of the ligand-protein interface, but hydrogen bonds and salt links are not recognized. I therefore do not think the

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] protein degradation

2013-06-16 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi Supratim, if both the crystal and Mass spec tell you that you have 6k and 13k fragments, proteolysis definitively took place. There are several possible explanations for the phenomenom you observe: -time: processes that do not occur during the few hours of a normal biochemical experiments,

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] sigma value in structure file

2013-06-17 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Faisal, I might be missing something, but why not ask the annotator instead of the bulletin board? He should know which value is meant. For me, a sigma belongs to a set of observations or parameters and without any further information one can only guess (as Ed just did) which set. My

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] str solving problem

2013-06-18 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Pramod, in addition to what has been said already, a few comments from my side. From what you write, the first thing I would do is to check the basics: -Is the protein that crystallized the protein you think it is? Plasmids do get mixed-up and sometimes a more abundant natural protein with

[ccp4bb] Twinning problem

2013-06-20 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Bulletin Board, Prodded by pdb annotators, which are very hesitant to accept coordinate files when their Rfactor does not correspond with our Rfactor, I had a look again into some old data sets, which I suspect are twinned. Below are the results of some twinning tests with the Detwin

[ccp4bb] AW: Twinning problem

2013-06-20 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Mitch (and Philip and Phil), It is clear that I should give refmac a go with the non-detwinned F's and just the TWIN command. Thank you for your suggestions, Herman -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Miller, Mitchell D. [mailto:mmil...@slac.stanford.edu] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20.

[ccp4bb] AW: Twinning problem - almost solved.

2013-06-21 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Bulletin Board, After some headbanging (Refmac5 had helpfully created gap records for all insertions and deletions present in the structure), I got refmac5 running with the TWIN option. Refmac5 also found the k,h,-l domain and rejected the other possible domains because they were too

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: Twinning problem - almost solved.

2013-06-21 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi Robbie, That is what I tried. The Rfactor got a lot worse (14%-18%) and the Rfree got a little worse (by 0.1-0.2%). My feeling is that that is not the right approach. Roger Rowlett suggested to give PDB_REDO a try. Maybe you have some instructions available how to get a local version?

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: Twinning problem - almost solved.

2013-06-21 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Tim, I normally do not use Refmac, so I have no idea what to expect and what would be a good weight. I will do the molprobity test, but I do not expect major problems. This is a MR structure with a high resolution search model with 100% sequence identity. A few amino acids may have

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] query regarding RMSD calculation

2013-06-24 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Ansuman, It is not entirely clear to my what kind of answer you are expecting. As Tim mentioned, from the B-factor formula, one can derive an estimate of the deviations of atoms from their average positions. This should give some idea of the inherent flexibility of the protein. From my

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] str solving problem

2013-06-24 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Pramod, To run XDS, you could try to run it via the CPP4 procedure XIA2, or via autoPROC from Global Phasing. What also may help is to retype the line: NAME_TEMPLATE_OF_DATA_FRAMES=../images/WFTig1_???.mar2300 ! MAR345 I have had cases, where there were (I believe) hidden characters in

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] insertion code problem

2013-06-26 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Rain, Insertion codes are still a sore point for many CCP4 programs and one of the reasons I prefer Buster over Refmac. Refmac5 does not remove insertion codes so I suspect the problem was with autoMR. The easiest is to superimpose your search model with insertion codes onto the pdb file

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] insertion code problem

2013-06-26 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Francois, I also prefer not to use insertion codes. However, for certain protein families (serine proteases, antibodies), vast amounts of literature exist using amino acid numbering schemes with insertion codes. By creating a new numbering scheme without insertion codes, one would create

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Rfree is 20%,why still green and red density?

2013-06-26 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Jiang Yan, The Matthews function is based on an average protein crystal with 50% solvent. However, crystals do exist with as little as 25% solvent or as much as 75% solvent, so if your structure refines to an Rfree of 20%, your structure is solved and you have a crystal with a high

[ccp4bb] AW: Split Crystal Dataprocessing

2013-07-03 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi Rhys, Since I did not see a reaction on the BB a few comments from me. The first is that it never hurts to grow better crystals. Life and the referees will be much easier. The good news is that it is often possible to get surprisingly useful data from badly looking diffraction images.

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] help identifying ligand

2013-07-08 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Ed, What is the pH of your crystallization buffer? If it is acidic, either the azide or the carboxylate may be protonated. Also the local environment of the carboxylate can make a hugh difference in PKa. You could also use some Bayesian logic: given the elongated linear density, what else

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] help identifying ligand

2013-07-08 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Ed, For me, 3 mM is a significant concentration. If you have another crystal left, you could transfer it to a storage buffer without azide and collect a data set and see if the density disappears. A very small molecule, non-covalently bound on the outside of the protein should disappear

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] modified amino acids in the PDB

2013-07-09 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Marc (and BB), I guess as usual, in real life the obvious is less obvious as it seems to be. I, and I guess many of my colleagues trying to find new drugs, have quite a few protein-inhibitor complexes where the inhibitor formed a covalent link with e.g. the active site serine. In these

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Where to cut the data in this medium resolution dataset

2013-07-24 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Stefan, Did you have a look at the NCS related helices? To me it looks like your NCS restraints on B-factors are too strong, or not valid for your crystal packing. Best, Herman Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Stefan

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Final result help

2013-08-13 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Monica, Having gone through all the efforts of purifying the protein, growing crystals, collecting and processing the data, running molecular replacement (asuming you intend to solve the structure that way) is trivial and you should try it in any case. But: Your data does not look great.

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] About Self Rotation and Fortran

2013-08-15 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Ting Wei, For me, your problem breaks down into two parts: 1) What do you want to do? 2) How can you do it? Since you already have a hypothesis, I would write down the mathematical formula of the calculation you would like do. In the internet, you should be able to find the formula's you

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Dependency of theta on n/d in Bragg's law

2013-08-22 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear James, thank you very much for this answer. I had also been wondering about it. To clearify it for myself, and maybe for a few other bulletin board readers, I reworked the Bragg formula to: sin(theta) = n*Lamda / 2*d which means that if we take n=2, for the same sin(theta) d becomes twice

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Dependency of theta on n/d in Bragg's law

2013-08-23 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Edward, Now I am getting a little confused: If you look at a higher order 2n reflection, you will also get diffraction from the intermediate 1n layers, so the structure factor you are looking at is in fact the 1n structure factor. I think your original post was correct. To summarize how

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] cryoprotection

2013-08-27 Thread Herman . Schreuder
A trick I like is just to freeze the reservoir solution or would-be cryo-solution without a crystal present. If the frozen solution stays clear and does not show ice rings on e.g. a home source, it is worth trying. Otherwise, the solution needs optimization. Herman -Ursprüngliche

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] cryoprotection

2013-08-27 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Enrico, You are right that the trick has its limitations and I am aware of it. However, it might not be as bad as you think. Fiddling with the crystallization buffer or transferring crystals to different buffers also causes stress to the crystals and in many cases loss of resolution. If

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] x-ray diffraction data analysis (XDS)

2013-08-30 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Yu, before we can make suggestions, we need to know what the problem exactly is. Did the data process ok with HKL2000 and not very good with XDS, or did the data not process very well with both programs and are you comparing with previous data sets from different crystals? XDS is very

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] repulsive effects of arginine

2013-10-08 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Jan, since electrostatics go with one over distance-square, there may still be some electrostatic repulsion if the aspartic acid is further away as the arginine. Another question is, what happens with the arginine of the ligand in absence of the antibody? Does it then make a salt bridge

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Problematic PDBs

2013-10-17 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Lucas, I recently came accross a scientific comment on the 1.9 Å PDB structure 4i8e, where apparently a HEPES molecule had been misinterpreted as a disaccharide. See Ives Muller, acta cryst F96, 2013:1071-1076. Best regards, Herman Von: CCP4 bulletin board

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Problematic PDBs

2013-10-17 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Sorry, it is acta cryst F69, not 96! Herman Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Schreuder, Herman RD/DE Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Oktober 2013 16:11 An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Problematic PDBs Dear Lucas, I recently came accross

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Triclinic solution for a dataset with pseudo-translational symmetry, possible pseudo-centering and possible pseudo-merohedral twinning. How to proceed?

2013-10-18 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Stefan, The picture you give of your crystals is indeed quite messy. The first thing I would do is to sort all the information at hand and try to see what could be going on. Based on the (limited) information you give, I have to following comments: 1) Autoindexing suggests a

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Molecular Replacement using low sequence identity templates

2013-10-18 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Jan, There are a few things a would do in this case. The first is to check the processing to make sure the space group is really C2 and, although unlikely, not some other space group. The second thing would be to try to place the first component. From your email it is not clear to me

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Triclinic solution for a dataset with pseudo-translational symmetry, possible pseudo-centering and possible pseudo-merohedral twinning. How to proceed?

2013-10-22 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Stefan, Congratulations! It seems that you not only have pseudo-translation and pseudo 4-fold symmetry in your diffraction, but also pseudo 8-fold symmetry in your protein molecules! An excellent case to learn a lot about space groups and NCS symmetry. 3) you are right, you might see

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] strange unit cell

2013-10-25 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Sangheon, there is no law that forbids P21 crystals to have a~b~c and beta~90°. It only does not happen very often. So your solution can be correct. You may want to analyze your crystal packing with ccp4 program Zanuda, to see if a higher symmetry space group could be used. Best regards,

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] help with strange density map

2013-10-31 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Thuy, I would try to model alternative conformations. E.g. blob2 looks like a lower occupancy cadmium ion coordinated to the glutamine, causing the histidine to assume an alternative conformation, also coordinating the ion. Just try to build different possibilities. If, after refinement

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] help with strange density map

2013-10-31 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Sorry, I meant glutamate. HS Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Schreuder, Herman RD/DE Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. Oktober 2013 09:17 An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] help with strange density map Dear Thuy, I would try to model

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] help with strange density map

2013-10-31 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Thuy, For blob1 you should also try to fit alternative conformations. Your maps are good enough to give you a fair chance. You should also look for reasons behind these alternative conformations: has a neighboring disulfide bond partially opened? Is there a partially-occupied cadmium

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] uncertainites associated with intensities from twinned crystals

2013-11-06 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Fulvio, you cannot detwin perfectly twinned data with this formula. The term (1-2α) becomes zero, so you are dividing by zero. With good refinement programs (ShelX, Refmac), refinement is done against twinned data, which is better than to detwin the data with the formula you mention. As I

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] uncertainites associated with intensities from twinned crystals; Sorry for HTML.

2013-11-07 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Fulvio and others, I do not understand this whole discussion. In case of perfectly twinned crystals, it is impossible to derive a detwinned F1 and F2 from two independent, but otherwise identical measurements. In this case, the only signal is noise, and one could as well use a random

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Weird MR result

2013-11-15 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Niu, To me, it looks like random density. Since coot contours are based on sigma levels, you will always see features. I do not think you can do anything with your current map. As others have said, it is always a good idea to test ALL possible space groups, even if you are convinced it is

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] SELF-ROTATION FUNCTION FROM MOLREP

2013-11-18 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Monica, strong 222 rotational symmetry plus translational symmetry would give 8 molecules in the unit cell. (4 in the a.u. in P2x and 2 in case of P2x2x2x). (test ALL options!). Do you have models for both the ligand binding domain, or only for the DNA binding domain? You have to search

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Dealnig with O-linked mannose

2013-11-21 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Dmitry, I only work with N-glycosylated proteins and here the people from coot and refmac have done a wonderful job in creating all necessary dictionaries. I would be very surprised if this would not be true for O-glycosidic bonds. Instead of reinventing the wheel myself, I would first

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Dealnig with O-linked mannose

2013-11-22 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Using your favorite editor, you can copy the LINK record from the pdb file generated by Coot and paste it into the pdb file produced by Phenix. You can also make a script to do this. This is what I did during the time LINK records were not properly handled by coot, refmac and buster. Best

[ccp4bb] How accurate are refined group-occupancies?

2013-11-22 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear bulletin board members, A referee came back with a question about the accuracy of refined group-occupancies. In the manuscript we describe 3 crystal structures with resolutions between 2.1 and 2.4 Å. In all three cases, the inhibitor has been fitted in two alternative conformations and

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] trying to trace main chain of loop region in two alternative ways

2013-11-27 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Yes. First create in coot alternative conformations for the residues in the loop. Use the split all of a single residue option. This is the default. Then use the rotate/translate zone option to move one of the conformations to the alternative position. For this you have to select the first and

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] A question on the diffrentiattion of the salt crystal and salt diffraction in the protein metal complex

2013-12-01 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Acoot, if your metal is part of a protein crystal, your diffraction image still looks like the diffraction of a protein crystal. If you see salt spots, your crystal is salt, not protein. However, what sometimes happens is that one has a badly diffracting protein crystals with some tiny

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Problem with R-factor, Completeness, and I/sigma

2013-12-01 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Prem, 90-95% completeness is not great, but definitively acceptable und should not stand in the way of solving your structure by MR. I guess the XDS statistics you mention are from the highest resolution shell? Otherwise they would be bad. To be sure you processed the data correctly, the

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Rfree problem

2013-12-10 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Nazia, you give very little details, so it is difficult to give a specific advice. Here are some comments: -How high is your Rfree? Depending on the resolution of your data, an Rfree in the 25-30% range while not good, may still be acceptable. -Are there problems like ice-rings in your

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Fwd: undefined edensity blob at glutamine sidechain

2013-12-10 Thread Herman . Schreuder
My first guess was also a metal ion. However, a tryptophan as Fred suggested cannot be ruled out. A simple preliminary test is to scroll up the contouring level and look when the contours of the blob disappear. If the contours quickly disappear, you have something disordered or light. If the

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Fwd: undefined edensity blob at glutamine sidechain

2013-12-11 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Priyank, At 4.5 sigma, it is definitively something heavy like a gold ion. The red sphere of difference density around the ion is most likely caused by the fact that the ion has partial occupancy, which was not refined. In these cases, refinement programs try to compensate for partial

[ccp4bb] Converting TLS to ANISO records

2013-12-11 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear bulletin board, I recently submitted a coordinate file to the pdb that had been optimized with pdbredo, which used TLS refinement. All TLS parameters are in the header, but the pdb wants these to be converted to ANISO records. I did a google search and also looked into Tlsanl, but did not

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Converting TLS to ANISO records

2013-12-11 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Ian, Thank you for this information. It worked! This useful feature is, as you said, not included in the documentation. Also, I made the mistake to use the ccp4 gui to run Tlsanl. Not only would the gui insist that I had to provide a .tls file, when I left the space for the .tls file

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] distinguish ligand binding sites within a protein

2013-12-12 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Wei, I would put something big in the binding site like a tryptophan, to physically block access of the ligand. Check beforehand in coot if and at which position such a residue would fit best. Best, Herman Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Wei Shi

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Wrong Space Group?

2013-12-16 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Bonsor, I fully second James suggestions but have a few additional comments: If you get a solution in P6522 with one molecule, you should get the same solution in P65 with 2 molecules. One of the crystallographic symmetry operators would then be non-crystallographic. The current version of

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Phaser output problem

2013-12-16 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Looks like you need to search for more molecules. Best, Herman Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Amanda Blythe Gesendet: Montag, 16. Dezember 2013 11:46 An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: [ccp4bb] Phaser output problem I am trying to solve a structure by

[ccp4bb] AW: Space group ambiguity in Zanuda

2014-01-08 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Alastair, Since there does not seem to be a compelling reason to use P 32 to describe the contents of your unit cell, I would use P 32 1 2. Refining a structure in a lower symmetry space group often gives slightly lower Rfactors since the refinement program has more parameters to play

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Examples of multiple ASU copies with different conformations

2014-01-28 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Shane, Human antithrombin III (code 1ath) is a dimer of an active and latent conformation. Herman Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Shane Caldwell Gesendet: Montag, 27. Januar 2014 19:09 An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: [ccp4bb] Examples of

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] twinning fun

2014-01-29 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Bert, The first thing I would do is to calculate the Matthews number: Does at least one monomer fit in the P622 asymmetric unit? If not, your crystals are definitively twinned. As mentioned below, I would also check the I^2/I^2 ratio, but I would do it with the data processed in P6,

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] off-topic Electron density map rendering..

2014-02-11 Thread Herman . Schreuder
I would try Coot, setting a very large map radius and adjusting the depth cueing with the d and f keys. My 2 cents, Herman -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Francis Reyes Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2014 03:08 An:

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] create a lower resolution data set by truncating a high resolution data

2014-02-13 Thread Herman . Schreuder
By applying a high temperature factor, one should not suffer Fourier ripples, since the missing high resolution reflections have negligible intensities, or put differently, one simulates a poorly diffracting crystal. Best, Herman -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: CCP4 bulletin board

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] KD of dimerization, off topic

2014-02-14 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Carina, An additional problem is that due to the dilution, but also due to the separation of monomers and dimers you get a reequilibration which is dependent on Kon/Koff of the interaction. Unless these are very slow, you cannot use size exclusion to determine the monomer/dimer ratio.

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] protein polymerization

2014-02-17 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Lisa, the first thing to check is whether the polymerization is due to disulfide bond formation. If you run a gel of your protein with one sample boiled in the presence of b-mercapto ethanol and one sample boiled in the absence of bME, this should tell you whether disulfide links are the

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Table in NSMB

2014-02-18 Thread Herman . Schreuder
If the ligand is a bona fide protein (more than a few amino acids and its own stable fold), I would include it under protein. However it is a matter of taste and, as Nat says, it will probably be dumped in the supplementary materials to be never looked at again. Herman Von: CCP4 bulletin

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Symmetry problem

2014-02-19 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Another option would be the merge molecules option in coot (calculate - merge molecules). In coot you would also be able to move the molecules to the same asymmetric unit if that would be necessary. However, depending on the space group the MR solutions could have different origins and with

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] High Rwork/Rfree vs. Resolution

2014-02-25 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Chris, I have looked at the images. The 1.65Å data set seems to have a high mosaicity, but to be otherwise ok. The 1.9Å seems to have one extremely long axis almost perpendicular to the rotation axis. One should always try to have such an axis parallel to the rotation axis during data

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] regarding Fo-Fc map in coot

2014-03-10 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Amlan, The sigma of an Fo-Fc map map depends on the residual noise in your map. In a well-refined structure, the sigma will be low, so at 3 sigma it will show very weak features. My guess is that your ligand is present in partial occupancy and that you will find it in your 2Fo-Fc map when

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Add an atom in Coot

2014-03-19 Thread Herman . Schreuder
In this case, editing the pdb file is probably the best approach. However, my favorite approach is Validate Difference Map Peaks. By pressing . (next peak) or , (previous peak), one can quickly go through all problems (red density) or unexplained peaks (green density). The pointer will be

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Merging Data from Multiple Crystals

2014-03-27 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi Jarrod, I think these 5 helices are either slightly misplaced, or somewhat disordered. How does the main-chain density look like? Do you see a discrete main-chain, or is the main-chain blurred and does the helix look like a blurred cylinder? If the main-chain is clear, I would take off all

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Space group problem?

2014-04-01 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Chen, I am not an expert on SAD and MAD. However, at this stage I would not worry too much about density going through the 2-fold axis. There might be a sulfate ion or some other buffer component present at that position, or it may just be an artifact that will go away once the structure

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Space group problem?

2014-04-02 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Nazia, My first suggestion would be to take your crystals to a synchrotron. With the same crystals, you may get a precious 0.5 Å resolution more. Concerning the processing, I agree with Jürgen that the beam center is the most frequent culprit. The second thing to do is to make sure that

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] feedback on diffuse diffraction pattern

2014-04-06 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Laurie, To me this looks like a textbook case of lattice translocation disorder: depending on the hkl values, the spot are sharp or streaked. Searching for lattice translocation disorder should give you enough relevant papers to get you going. Since it depends on the space group and the

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Create Links in PDB

2014-04-09 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Remie, The first thing I would do is to download a random file form the pdb with sugars attached and examine how the link looks like in coot and in an editor. You could use e.g. (shameless plug) 4ci9. The next thing to do is to check the link record you created. Here the punch-card

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Create Links in PDB

2014-04-09 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Sorry, I made a typo. One should of course delete the O1! Herman -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Schreuder, Herman RD/DE Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. April 2014 09:17 An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb]

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] suggestion on improving sea urchin like crystals

2014-04-11 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear William, The lowest resolution spots you can see tell you something about your cell dimensions since the resolution cannot be lower than the longest distance in your unit cell. If you see spots at 30Å resolution, you are pretty sure you have protein crystals, if you only see spots at

[ccp4bb] AW: appropriate torsion angles

2014-04-15 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Joel, I always tell our chemists not to include piperazine rings etc. in their compounds because of this conformational mess, but somehow they do not seem to listen. ;-) Unfortunately, do did not tell us how and with software you auto generated your cif file, so I can only give some

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: appropriate torsion angles

2014-04-15 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Paul, I find it difficult to predict when a pipirazine nitrogen will be sp2 and when sp3, so I usually search the csd with the exact substituent at hand and supposed that Joel will have done the same. In general, I find that auto generate programs are overly optimistic how far

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: appropriate torsion angles

2014-04-15 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Joel, I suspect that you will have a mixture of different puckers. Relaxing the restraints would not be the way to go, since it might lead to a distorted average structure. If your cif file is correct (tetrahedral nitrogens), it should not impose a specific pucker. However, you will have

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] relation between redundancy and total reflection

2014-04-17 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Faisal, redundancy is total no. of observed reflections divided by no. of unique reflections, i.e. how often each unique reflection has been measured on average. Herman Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Faisal Tarique Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. April

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] coot problems to decrease R FREE

2014-04-22 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Peter, First a common misconception: your goal should be to get the best possible fit of your model to your electron density maps. Rfree is only an indicator, telling you whether you are moving in the right direction. So in coot, you should look for places where your model does not fit

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] rigid body refinement or molecular replacement.

2014-04-24 Thread Herman . Schreuder
I would do a rigid body refinement, rebuild the structure and then go on with refinement. To compare refined structures, you still need to superimpose them first. Best, Herman Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Faisal Tarique Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. April

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Twinning VS. Disorder

2014-04-24 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Chen, Twinning can be thought of as of two or more macro-crystals glued or grown together. The reason that the reflections often overlap is that they share one common plane from which they grow in different directions. Many twinning tests are based on the fact that the two (or more) macro

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Twinning VS. Disorder

2014-04-25 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Ian and James, Here I learned something new. I assumed that coherence length would be limited by crystal quality, e.g. mosaicity and microdomains etc. which apparently is not the case. For me, one of the characteristics of twinning is that there is no interference between the twin domains.

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Problem with Rfactor

2014-04-29 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Sudarshan, There are quite a few point to consider in MR: -How good is your model? At 50% sequence identity with your protein, it is probably ok, around 25% sequence identity it may or may not work. If your protein is of the same protein family with a similar biological function it is

[ccp4bb] AW: SOS from last century!

2014-05-07 Thread Herman . Schreuder
It can be done with pymol: In the box in the lower left corner is an item selecting residues. By clicking on residues you can change it to atoms or C-alphas When you now click on the appropriate active site atoms, you can select the alpha carbons and a (sele) item appears. In the (sele) item

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Space group problem

2014-05-08 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Rain, Maybe a little late, but here are some more comments: 1) What is the deal? For me, one can only know the space group after the structure has been solved. I have seen quite few cases (e.g. twinning, non-crystallographic symmetry etc.) that all programs (XDS, pointless) and

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Issue with Molecules per Asymmetric Unit for Molecular Replacement

2014-05-16 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Matt, 95% solvent is highly unlikely, but not impossible. Did you have a look at the crystal packing? Are there continuous crystal contacts in all three dimensions, or are there layers of molecules that are not connected? Are you sure your space group is P212121 and not one of the other

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-16 Thread Herman . Schreuder
I am also in favor of two versions of the pdb: one archive version with all models as originally deposited including retracted and corrected versions, which are useful for educational purposes, and a curated version with only models that meet a minimum of validation criteria, including credible

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] map manipulation questions

2014-05-20 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Niu, Provided you have a complete asymmetric unit (unit cell in P1), you could also convert this map to structure factors and manipulate those, e.g. with sftools. To calculate structure factors you could use sfall and also clipper has utilities to convert a map to structure factors.

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Refmac5

2014-05-28 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Remie, For reasons that probably only Garib understands, Refmac still uses LINKR instead of LINK to link atoms. However (at least for Refmac) both LINK and LINKR should work. After a lot of complaining in the past (also from my side), the handling of carbohydrates in Refmac is ok. I just

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] solvent exposed

2014-06-26 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Jef, PISA will give you the size of the protein-substrate interface, which is inversely correlated to the solvent exposed surface. Subtracting the interface surface from the total surface of the substrate will give you an estimate of the solvent exposed surface. Best regards, Herman

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] How to remove phospholipids bound to a cytoplasmic protein

2014-06-27 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Lionel, In case of a lipid-binding protein, we were able to remove most (90%) of the bound lipids with a lipidex column. This could be verified by DSF since the melting temperature of lipid-bound protein was ~6°C higher as the melting temperature of the free protein. The delipidated

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] How to remove phospholipids bound to a cytoplasmic protein

2014-06-27 Thread Herman . Schreuder
PS: if you are working with a human protein: most human proteins are quite stable at 37°C (for obvious reasons). -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Schreuder, Herman RD/DE Gesendet: Freitag, 27. Juni 2014 09:21 An:

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Solvent channels

2014-06-27 Thread Herman . Schreuder
To get a rough idea of the solvent channels, one could use coot. By displaying the symmetry molecules as Ca traces (an option hidden in the symmetry menu under symmetry by molecule) one can set a large radius (100Å) and still rotate the display. A more accurate display can be obtained by

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Solvent channels

2014-06-30 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Bernard, we once worked with a series of protease inhibitors which turned out to be slow substrates, e.g. an acyl intermediate was formed that was subsequently hydrolyzed. Here we had to reduce the soaking times to below 30 minutes, otherwise we would see nothing, e.g. the large excess of

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] a warning message from XDS (IDXREF)

2014-06-30 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Nothing to get worried about. It means that other, equally valid choices of axes may be possible (e.g. with polar space groups). Only if you want to merge data from different crystals or if you want to scale native and derivative data, you have to make sure that the same choice of axes is being

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] emergency substitute for RT loop cover?

2014-07-08 Thread Herman . Schreuder
You might try some shrink-wrap. Herman -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Keller, Jacob Gesendet: Montag, 7. Juli 2014 18:43 An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] emergency substitute for RT loop cover? Anyone

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] definitions of unique reflections

2014-07-15 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Kenneth, You should be able to find the information you are looking for in the logfiles of your dataprocessing at the scaling/merging step. E.g. in the logfiles of scala you will find Total number of observations and Total number unique. I am sure Scalepack will produce similar output.

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Weired Crystal packing

2014-07-15 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Appu, What is your problem? To me this crystal packing looks completely normal. If you look for tetramers in space groups with 422 symmetry I am sure you will find examples with a similar packing. Best, Herman Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Appu

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