From what I understand, ZDNet allowed some of the vendors to come in
after the initial test results and tweak the output. Allaire was not one
of those. I am sure that given the opportunity to do that tweaking, CF
would be as fast, or possibly faster than PHP.
larry
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For a developer, PHP has *one* big advantage over CF -
user-defined functions.
With CF5 that advantage just disappeared.
BTW, you *can* write DBMS-independent code with PHP,
if you use PHPLIB. But you don't have all of
CF's cacheing features built in.
PHP is a good technology. CF is a great
This is actually accurate. There is a module for PHP , which give a common
interface to several DBs.
Justin
One big difference: in PHP you will have to write database-vendor
specific code. The code to use Sybase is different than SQLServer
is different than Oracle, etc.
If portability is
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For a developer, PHP has *one* big advantage over CF -
user-defined functions.
With CF5 that advantage just disappeared.
BTW, you *can* write DBMS-independent code with PHP,
if you use PHPLIB. Bu
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cf_grin
Well, for one thing, your boss needs to brush up on his English,
I have had employers call me in for CF programmer position and start by telling me
that CF is for kids who like to play and that the real development way is ASP
Usually when i produce some evidence to the contrary it shuts them up, but i never get
the job :)
I had a new boss come in , he
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From: lsellers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, December 14, 2000 2:08 AM
Subject: RE: Another debate
#2. Extensible into Java/COM/etc
#2 and #4 are not available in PHP, nor is formal support available
Not that I
That article isn't necessarily good ammo:
PHP pages/second: 47
ColdFusion pages/second: 29
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Billy Cravens
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(According to the article)
Chasmo wrote:
Here's some ammo for you if the debate suddenly goes "unmoot."
ZDNet recently did comparisons of various scripting
The need to deliberate the issue further is a mute (---should be moot)
point.
I don't really have any suggestions other than it sounds like he might have
dealt with PHP before, and therefore is prejudiced against CF. You and I
know that it is plenty secure. Plenty of corporations are serving
I think the security probelsm lie more in Microsoft's IIS and the NT OS than
the CF Server. Allaire always sends out alerts about security updates even
if they are not for CF Servers, but something that relates to CF.
PHP is a neat language, however it still isn't developed enough and also the
Dimple his Chad Demand a hand count
Steve
Thanks in advance for any input.
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Well, for one thing, your boss needs to brush up on his English, and learn
the difference between "mute" and "moot"
/cf_grin
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From: Kelly Shepard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 9:14 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Another debate
wow, glad i don't have to deal with e-mails like that
i think a better question would be, even if cf was shown to be more
scalable, manageable, faster, better for the [insert new fandangled acronym
here] business. Would he take consideration to it?
Since he did say further discussion of this
The new boss has arrived in my department and of course he
wants everyone to switch from the awesome and all mighty cold
fusion to PHP. We do need some other strengths in our
department for those clients who don't want us to host their
application or don't have cf on their server,
In the corporate IT department, PHP is usually less of an option than CF. Also if a
"corporate IT department" can't afford CFServer, then they have other problems, like
how to run a web site on used Commodore-64s.
"The need to deliberate the issue further is a mute point."
I'd be careful about
Tell your boss to go out to the garage and use the head puller to pull his
head out of his ass. CF is far above PHP in my mind and why would you want
to tell all of your developers hey forget what you know and learn this new
technology. I could understand if you were all COBOL programmers and
Sound like your "new boss" hasn't ever used CF, or bothered to even research
the validity of his claims. PHP is a good addition to your skillset, but
throwing out all the CF experience and knowledge in your department and
forcing everyone to start at square one with learning PHP is not a smart
ut
not yet mature technology in PHP.
Jim
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Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 12:30 PM
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As long as you write good code and follow all the security notes from the
Allaire sec
The need to deliberate the issue further is a mute point."
Ouch. Does he/she mean "moot" point perhaps?
I feel for you.
- Sean
Sean Daniels
Manager, Engineering
Marketplace Technologies
(t) 207.439.6030
(c) 207.332.6340
Kelly,
your boss wrote:
switch from ... cold fusion to PHP.
The need to deliberate the issue further is a mute point.
Forget it, your boss said he doesn't want to debate it, he wants to switch
from CF to PHP. Just switch. Look at all the new training classes you will
get to attend
Well, the two are really different critters. It could be said that PHP is
more secure since it is open source, therefore flaws can, in theory, be
discovered (and hopefully patched) quicker. As for other discussion along
the lines of "CF is a better platform because it's easier to write in", it
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Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: Another debate
As long as you write good code and follow all the security notes from the
Allaire security zone, there is no security problem. From the tone and
mess
The new boss has arrived in my department and of course he wants
everyone to
switch from the awesome and all mighty cold fusion to PHP. We do need
some other strengths in our department for those clients who don't want us
to host their application or don't have cf on their server, but,
Most "security issue" in ColdFusion are problems with IIS not ColdFusion or
problems in standard security. There have been a couple of exceptions (the
Expression Evaluator and samples mostly), but most are not the fault of CF.
If he is comparing PHP on Unix to CF on NT, it's not really a fair
One big difference: in PHP you will have to write database-vendor specific code. The
code to use Sybase is different than SQLServer is different than Oracle, etc.
If portability is important, then that will be a problem.
At 12:29 PM 12/13/00 -0500, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
As long as you write
Your new boss obviously doesn't worry about development time since he
chooses PHP over CF, and the points about security issues is FR
out. Obviously your new boss need some professional (mental) help!
Allan Pichler
Machine Dreams Inc.
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From: Kelly Shepard
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Another debate
Tell your boss to go out to the garage and use the head puller to pull his
head out of his ass. CF is far above PHP in my mind and why would you want
to tell all of your developers hey forget what you know and learn this new
technology. I could understand
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Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:02 PM
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cf_grin
Well, for one thing, your boss needs to brush up on his English, and learn
the difference between "mute" and "moot"
robust!
(sorry, had to add it)
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From: Gavin Myers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:26 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Another debate
wow, glad i don't have to deal with e-mails like that
i think a better question would be, even if cf
First off, let me say that I love (love love love) CF, and it's my baby of
choice for development (see: http://www.tallylist.com and
http://www.spankmag.com).
But, here, you really don't have a choice. You can either sit in the mud,
complain, and sabotage the change - or you can work with the
At 10:14 AM 12/13/00 -0700, you wrote:
The new boss has arrived in my department and of course he wants everyone to
switch from the awesome and all mighty cold fusion to PHP. We do need
some other strengths in our department for those clients who don't want us
to host their application or
Let's just hope that Mr. Boss isn't also reading this list. Bottom line is
that this is a tough situation. I had it happen to me where my boss told me
to dump CF in favor of ASP. I didn't fight it, but I also wasn't there that
much longer either.
Dave
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Date: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: Another debate
Tell your boss to go out to the garage and use the head puller to pull his
head out of his ass. CF
[
First off, let me say that I love (love love love) CF, and it's my baby of
choice for development (see: http://www.tallylist.com and
http://www.spankmag.com).
But, here, you really don't have a choice. You can either sit in the mud,
complain, and sabotage the change - or you can work with the
Really gotta agree with you Steve. Personally, I disagree with the way
the boss is implementing things... however, I think we should all think
of ourselves as "web developers" and not "ColdFusion developers" in
order to make more money, be better "programmers", and all around more
diverse. I've
Here's some ammo for you if the debate suddenly goes "unmoot."
ZDNet recently did comparisons of various scripting languages
running on Linux and Win platforms. They compared performance,
breadth of the API, etc.
ColdFusion won hands down, even winning ZDNet's pick over ASP
on Win machines.
I would definately take a look at this e-mail about the eWeek article and
the eWeek article. You might want to anonymously slip the article on his
desk too.
A recent issue of E-Week (Oct. 30 2000 Vol. 17 #44) did a comparison of 4
programming languages for the purpose of creating dynamic sites.
AM
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Subject: Re: Another debate
In the corporate IT department, PHP is usually less of an option than CF.
Also if a "corporate IT department" can't afford CFServer, then they have
other problems, like how to run a web site on used Commodore-64s.
"The need to deliberate th
The best advice I have seen. Ditto
jon
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From: "Steve Pierce" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:56 PM
Subject: RE: Another debate PHP v CF
Kelly,
your boss wrote:
switch from ... col
Well, you just have to love those "mute points".
Actually, my experience is that PHP is not normally an option in the
corporate IT department, due to the low cost and (perceived) support
problems.
Still, it all goes down well on your CV.
best of luck,
Lee (Bjork) Borkman
http://bjork.net
If it's cost he's worried about, he probably isn't aware that CF runs very well on
Linux. You can even run a slightly older version of Sybase on Linux for free.
At 02:36 PM 12/13/00 -0500, Peter Theobald wrote:
One big difference: in PHP you will have to write database-vendor specific code. The
table for the longer development times and issues with a great, but
not yet mature technology in PHP.
Jim
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 12:30 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Another debate
As long as
Here's some ammo for you if the debate suddenly goes "unmoot."
ZDNet recently did comparisons of various scripting languages
running on Linux and Win platforms. They compared performance,
breadth of the API, etc.
ColdFusion won hands down, even winning ZDNet's pick over ASP
on Win
I'm a university co-op student at one of the most budget minded companies I
have ever seen, and CF was THE option for web development for us. I did
research on many different app server platforms and CF came out on top because:
#1. CHEAP
#2. Extensible into Java/COM/etc
#3. Quick to build apps
is also in 4.5. So yes, sometimes companies like
Allaire tell you you have to buy the upgrade if you want to keep using the
software.
- Steve
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From: Bruce Heerssen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Another
#2. Extensible into Java/COM/etc
#2 and #4 are not available in PHP, nor is formal support available
Not that I really know what the hell I'm talking about as far as PHP goes,
but I thought php4 had COM support(?).
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