On 6/2/05, Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For most sites, if the PHP site takes twice or three times as long as the
same site being done in CF, then whatever you have in the free software,
you've more than spent on programmers wages. So which site is cheaper again?
larry
The
I think the main advantage of CF over PHP/Perl/Python is the ability
to leverage Java and to scale up into and integrate with J2EE
containers and applications, but that's just me :)
PHP can do that too:
http://us4.php.net/java
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Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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John Paul Ashenfelter wrote:
I think the main advantage of CF over PHP/Perl/Python is the ability
to leverage Java and to scale up into and integrate with J2EE
containers and applications, but that's just me :)
Cough *Jython* cough! :-)
K.
On 6/3/05, Damien McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the main advantage of CF over PHP/Perl/Python is the ability
to leverage Java and to scale up into and integrate with J2EE
containers and applications, but that's just me :)
PHP can do that too:
http://us4.php.net/java
Kinda
On 6/3/05, Keith Gaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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John Paul Ashenfelter wrote:
I think the main advantage of CF over PHP/Perl/Python is the ability
to leverage Java and to scale up into and integrate with J2EE
containers and applications,
Which has me begging the question again, why develop in CF at all if PHP is
that much superior and/or equivalent?
- Calvin
On 6/3/05 10:00 AM, Damien McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the main advantage of CF over PHP/Perl/Python is the ability
to leverage Java and to scale up into
-
-Original Message-
From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: vrijdag 3 juni 2005 14:51
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP
On 6/2/05, Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For most sites, if the PHP site takes twice or three times as long as
the
same site being done in CF
Why developing in PHP, if C# is superior. Why developing in C# if C++ is
superior. In the end it comes down to because we just happen to work
with it each day. ;) People don't like change.
Micha Schopman
Project Manager
Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort
Tel 033-4535377, Fax
From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why developing in PHP, if C# is superior. Why developing in
C# if C++ is superior. In the end it comes down to because
we just happen to work with it each day. ;) People don't like change.
Micha,
Who are you replying to? Is it just me and my
I have a question to you, my dear friend: Would you buy a BMW with
its hood welded shut?
yeah, what the hell would I being doing under the hood when it's built
by a solid company that will take care of any issues that arise.
BMW is a solid company.
A solid company will take care of any
-
From: Simon Cornelius P. Umacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:39 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
I have a question to you, my dear friend: Would you buy a BMW with
its hood welded shut?
yeah, what the hell would I being doing under the hood when it's built
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Jochem van Dieten wrote:
On re-reading that was very poorly worded by me.
The SQL DEFAULT keyword is not just meant for use in DDL. SQL is
defined in such a way that you can also use DEFAULT in DML to
(re)set any column to its default value.
I'm not so sure that the logic follows.
It does if your car is no longer new and that your warranty has already
expired. The same is true with software.
I think this thread is definitely going OT though!
I agree. This should be my last post for this thread.
[ simon.cpu ]
Nofi, but this thread is going off topic because some people are too
blind seeing there is more on the market than CF :) If you don't like
PHP, that's all right, everybody has its own personal affection with a
language, but stating in someway that the developers using PHP are
amateurs is just not
, June 02, 2005 7:36 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
Nofi, but this thread is going off topic because some people are too blind
seeing there is more on the market than CF :)
~|
Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient
I had to throw this in:
One of IBM's senior venture capital investment authorities is
encouraging software start-ups to follow the money, and back the LAMP
open source stack.
According to Drew Clark, director of strategic insights for IBM's
venture capital group, building software using Linux,
Keith Gaughan wrote:
Jochem van Dieten wrote:
The SQL DEFAULT keyword is not just meant for use in DDL. SQL is
defined in such a way that you can also use DEFAULT in DML to
(re)set any column to its default value. You don't even have to
know what that default is. So in SQL you can use
Calvin,
I was aiming at the following comments made in the thread;
They proved to be the typical LAMP dev'r and were highly missinformed
on a lot of issues and I used the fact that they don't know against them
very strongly. Then I had them go up to white board and write on
whiteboard a typical
Holy crap!
I suppose it could have been worse, it could have all been on one line! :Oo
Ade
-Original Message-
From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 June 2005 12:36
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
This is true code running in production I had to review once
8:41 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
Calvin,
I was aiming at the following comments made in the thread;
They proved to be the typical LAMP dev'r and were highly missinformed on a
lot of issues and I used the fact that they don't know against them very
strongly. Then I had them go up
Wayne,
Have you started adding LAMP development to your skillset?
- Calvin
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From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP
I had to throw this in:
One of IBM's senior venture capital
I wonder what the re-worked version looks like?
- Calvin
-Original Message-
From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:50 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
Holy crap!
I suppose it could have been worse, it could have all been on one line! :Oo
Good God...my Eyesmy Eyes
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From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 June 2005 14:04
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
I wonder what the re-worked version looks like?
- Calvin
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From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL
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Jochem van Dieten wrote:
Apart from being the wrong one, I don't think the reason you
offer is valid. The API is still burdened with handling of
DEFAULT because DEFAULT is implemented for insert statements, so
I fail to see any gains there.
IMHO, he was indeed saying that LAMP was a lesser solution (that's my
impression). That's fine with me if that's what he thinks. Our thoughts are
beyond the influence of anyone. But when you translate those thoughts into
actions and words, that is a very different story. I wish he hadn't
Putterill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP
I had to throw this in:
One of IBM's senior venture capital investment authorities is encouraging
software start-ups to follow the money, and back the LAMP open source stack.
According
Good God...my Eyesmy Eyes
-Original Message-
From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 June 2005 14:04
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
I wonder what the re-worked version looks like?
- Calvin
If that code is a condemnation of CF, its a fairly weak one. I've
:36 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
Nofi, but this thread is going off topic because some people are too
blind seeing there is more on the market than CF :) If you don't like
PHP, that's all right, everybody has its own personal affection with a
language
For most sites, if the PHP site takes twice or three times as long as the
same site being done in CF, then whatever you have in the free software,
you've more than spent on programmers wages. So which site is cheaper again?
larry
Amen Larry!!I don't know why this concept is so hard for
Message-
From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:36 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
This is true code running in production I had to review once (because
there was an error somewhere)
http
It wasn't a reason, but a possible rationalisation.
If this is the case, I really don't understand why you bothered. The
inference I drew from your previous posts was that you thought MySQL's
approach to NULL values was just as good as anyone else's, because there are
all sorts of inherent
24 times at the greatest depth!! :Oo
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From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 June 2005 16:26
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP
.and it was impeccably indented :)
On 6/2/05, Ian Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, it had comments
-Original Message-
From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:36 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
This is true code running in production I had to review once
(because there was an error somewhere)
http
On Thursday 02 June 2005 09:27, Calvin Ward wrote:
This is true code running in production I had to review once
(because there was an error somewhere)
http://www.mschopman.demon.nl/horror.txt
Oh, God. The horror! The horror! My eyes are melting! Aii!!
(And this only
-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
That was very nicely done. Although I could read neither the comments, the
variable values or even the variable names, so it was all greek(dutch?) to
me! :P
-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:26
On Thursday 02 June 2005 09:35, Kevin Aebig wrote:
Coldfusion... PHP... dotNET... truely guys, its all the same thing with
different implementations.
Now Perl on the other hand Why won't that language just die already...
For CGI scripting, Perl has its uses (though I personally haven't
, 2005 11:35 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP
On Thursday 02 June 2005 09:27, Calvin Ward wrote:
This is true code running in production I had to review once
(because there was an error somewhere)
http://www.mschopman.demon.nl/horror.txt
Oh, God. The horror! The horror
workload.
For web use though... its a total abomination.
Cheers,
Kevin
-Original Message-
From: Richard Crawford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:46 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP
On Thursday 02 June 2005 09:35, Kevin Aebig wrote:
Coldfusion... PHP
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Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:42 AM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
Calvin,
I was aiming at the following comments made in the thread;
They proved to be the typical LAMP dev'r and were highly missinformed
on a lot of issues and I used the fact that they don't
of Pledge says contains real lemon juice
figures @%*((%
From: Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:37 AM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
Nofi, but this thread is going off topic because some people
, but out of the 100 or so
PHP developers I know, I'd only hire 4 of them.
Sincerely,
Kevin
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From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 2:28 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
well Micha maybe in your only enterprise world you live in what you
of lemonaid says contains no lemon juice
and the can of Pledge says contains real lemon juice
figures @%*((%
From: Calvin Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:56 AM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
I'm not so sure
On Thursday 02 June 2005 13:42, dave wrote:
I guess Simon is trying to say that if I buy a car and everytime it
breaks down they will send someone to fix it (even from germany) and he
thinks thats a BAD thing? I guess it would be better to take it down to
jimmy joes house and confer with
development tool. But aside from that, its pretty well neck in
neck... and thats good for both languages. Competition breeds innovation.
Sincerely,
Kevin
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From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 2:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
exactly
Do I need an oil change? =P
We can drop the example anytime... I'm sure everyone here is smart enough to
get it.
Cheers,
Kevin
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From: Richard Crawford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 3:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP
On Thursday 02
On Thursday 02 June 2005 14:14, Kevin Aebig wrote:
We can drop the example anytime... I'm sure everyone here is smart enough
to get it.
Sorry to bother you. I was hoping to expand on Dave's metaphor to explain why
I have a different viewpoint than he does. It certainly wasn't my intention
Dave,
- you wrote ---
One thing I can say about cfm users is that if you see a site in cfm it
usually isn't to bad, I seriously can't say that about php.
--
Personally I can't beleive this thread is still going - but I'm pleased to
see that some language has
There was a time when this is exactly what eveyone said of CF -
it was too easy and it's sites where bad and it was easy
to write bad code that works.
As opposed to the Perl of the day where you needed to be touch the ether
to understand...
In general, bad planning (or no planning at all) can
: Thursday, June 02, 2005 5:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP
On Thursday 02 June 2005 13:42, dave wrote:
I guess Simon is trying to say that if I buy a car and everytime it
breaks down they will send someone to fix it (even from germany) and he
thinks thats a BAD thing? I guess it would
becomes
CF vs Perl...
-Original Message-
From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:02 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
There was a time when this is exactly what eveyone said of CF -
it was too easy and it's sites where bad and it was easy
@%*((%
From: Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:31 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
You know guys, you can just decompile the coldfusion class files if you're
really interested in what's 'Under the Hood'. It's sort of like unwelding
@%*((%
From: Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:33 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
This was actually my original question... CF vs LAMP where the P stands for
Perl. Can somebody provide some examples, please, of CF being
and make changes to the java code,
then to try to fix up PHP's C code (assuming PHP is written in C).
Russ
-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
right and thats one of those things were they say
If it's perl, just write identical functionality in both CF and perl and
present it to your interested parties.
- Calvin
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From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
This was actually my original
a bad idea it is to write web sites in perl as
opposed to CF, can some people post some concrete arguments of why?
Russ
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From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:52 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
I mean we can conceivably run our
and the can of Pledge says contains real lemon juice
figures @%*((%
From: Kevin Aebig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 5:13 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
if you need more power in php whatcha gunna do?
I've
@%*((%
From: Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:58 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
Well the company we're going against is running some pretty big sites on
perl (from what I understand). I've coded in perl before, and although I
love
| Let's say you're building a data warehouse -- doubling the
| size of the
| text columns in the fact tables (from varchar to nvarchar) to make
| them unicode as opposed to using the correct character set makes a
To add to Paul's informative post -- with the price of disk space today,
space
: CF vs LAMP
There's a much larger developer base for LAMP. I'd consider that a factor
in selecting the environment - probably even in selecting the developer if
a developer insists on using a particular environment.
If I were the customer I'd try to do my best to get a feel for the
environment
I don't think finding someone would ever be an issue, there's a good
number of CF developers not employed or looking for additional work all
over the country/world.
This is definitely not the case. Maybe in the US, but certainly not
everywhere.
As far as lamp concerned, PHP is a very mature
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Dave Watts wrote:
Yup, and it'll give you the default value for that field. I
don't see how this is a criticism.
You're kidding, right? That defeats the entire purpose of NULL. How would
you differentiate between default values and NULLs?
I
.
Is PHP a better, more cost effective solution? If so, we are wasting our
time here and need to move on.
- Calvin
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From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 7:35 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
I don't think finding someone
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: woensdag 1 juni 2005 12:51
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
What I am observing is an increasing number of participants on this list
(CF
list) advocating PHP instead of CF, without even the benefit of knowing
the
total requirements of a given project.
Which potentially
I thought LAMP was Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP?
On 5/31/05, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We have a client that is trying to decide whether to go with my company or
another company. We are a CF/MS SQL shop, and the other company does LAMP
development (Linux, Apache, MySQL, Perl).
I
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
Calvin,
As always, it not always depends on the requirements for a project, but
also on the strategy of business regarding sales, communication,
partnerships, certifications, etc.
Like others, we are not advocating, we are merely observing. We like CF,
we like PHP
I believe LAMP on Windows is called WAMP.
-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 June 2005 13:11
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP
I thought LAMP was Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP?
On 5/31/05, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We have a client
-
From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 8:15 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
I'm certainly not taking offense, I'm observing a pattern of behavour.
We also aren't entirely cognizant of the business strategy regarding the
below items either
No, indeed it doesn'tin fact if you are using another technology as well
as CF - kudos to you ;-p
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 June 2005 13:21
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
Does belonging to this list infer that I believe CF
Keith Gaughan wrote:
Dave Watts wrote:
Yup, and it'll give you the default value for that field. I
don't see how this is a criticism.
You're kidding, right? That defeats the entire purpose of NULL. How would
you differentiate between default values and NULLs?
I think that more points
No, indeed it doesn'tin fact if you are using another technology as well
as CF - kudos to you ;-p
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 June 2005 13:21
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
Does belonging to this list infer that I believe CF
Is PHP in general a better solution than CF?
It depends on how the end user experiences it. On some points I think CF
excels and the same goes for PHP. Looking at things like cfgraph, report
builder, event gateway, those are all things you do not find in PHP.
There are possible yes, but requires
On 5/31/05, Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What's the example of the situation you NULL issue -- a simple SQL
example would help me figure out exactly what situation you're talking
about.
Simple...and there is no SQL behind it..the DB screwed the data
Took over a project
On 5/31/05, Robert Munn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hold on, now. Java is not exactly open source, is it? Don't they still call
it Community Source rather than open source? In other words, Java belongs
to Sun. You can't just go out and start offering your own Java, a la
Microsoft J++.
Ok,
On 5/31/05, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ironically, it's also barely even germane since you can easily run
the CF/MS-SQL combination with Apache. Or the MP part of the stack on
Windows, at least as long as P is Perl or PHP (I can't speak to
Python).
You can certainly run Python
Hey Adrian,
cfif form.foo IS
cfqueryparam value= cfsqltype=CF_SQL_VARCHAR null=Yes
cfelse
cfqueryparam value=#form.foo# cfsqltype=CF_SQL_VARCHAR
maxlength=20
/cfif
Can probably be written:
NULLIF(cfqueryparam value=#form.foo# cfsqltype=CF_SQL_VARCHAR
maxlength=20, '')
Can probably be written:
NULLIF(cfqueryparam value=#form.foo# cfsqltype=CF_SQL_VARCHAR
maxlength=20, '')
Or better yet:
cfqueryparam value=#form.foo# cfsqltype=CF_SQL_VARCHAR
maxlength=20 null=#yesNoFormat(form.foo IS ''#) /
--
Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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or
cfqueryparam value=#form.foo# cfsqltype=cf_sql_varchar
null=#yesNoFormat(NOT len(trim(form.foo)))#
(if the null attribute evaluates to YES, it overrides whatever is
provided for the value attribute)
On 6/1/05, Joe Rinehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey Adrian,
cfif form.foo IS
On 6/1/05, Hugo Ahlenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Let's say you're building a data warehouse -- doubling the
| size of the
| text columns in the fact tables (from varchar to nvarchar) to make
| them unicode as opposed to using the correct character set makes a
To add to Paul's
On 5/31/05, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hold on, now. Java is not exactly open source, is it? Don't
they still call it Community Source rather than open
source? In other words, Java belongs to Sun. You can't just
go out and start offering your own Java, a la Microsoft J++.
I
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Joe Rinehart wrote:
Can probably be written:
NULLIF(cfqueryparam value=#form.foo# cfsqltype=CF_SQL_VARCHAR
maxlength=20, '')
Or even:
cfqueryparam cfsqltype=CF_SQL_VARCHAR value=#FORM.foo#
null=#(FORM.foo eq '')#
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Sorry, I should've pointed out that alternative - I think it comes
down to personal preference?
-Joe
On 6/1/05, Charlie Griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
or
cfqueryparam value=#form.foo# cfsqltype=cf_sql_varchar
null=#yesNoFormat(NOT len(trim(form.foo)))#
(if the null attribute evaluates to
Sorry, I should've pointed out that alternative - I think it
comes down to personal preference?
I would recommend the use of the NULL attribute of CFQUERYPARAM over the
NULLIF database function if for portability reasons.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
Fig Leaf
I think that more points to a flaw in the concept of NULLs in SQL
(which, as it happens, is one of the most criticised aspects of the
language) than a flaw in MySQL per-se.
It's one thing to observe a flaw in a language. It's another to use that
flaw as justification for an application's
LOL..
You would be fine in the UK
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 June 2005 15:53
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
I think that more points to a flaw in the concept of NULLs in SQL
(which, as it happens, is one of the most
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On an unrelated note, I noticed that I can see better out of
my right eye than my left eye. So, to improve my driving, I
started driving on the left side of the road instead of the
right side. I'm sure that will be a great improvement.
Dave,
Would you take your bmw to some cheap mechanic that only used free
tools or the new state of the art repair center?
I have a question to you, my dear friend: Would you buy a BMW with its hood
welded shut?
Did you fall for the dumb scam of we don't charge any closing fees
when you bought
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Dave Watts wrote:
I think that more points to a flaw in the concept of NULLs in SQL
(which, as it happens, is one of the most criticised aspects of the
language) than a flaw in MySQL per-se.
It's one thing to observe a flaw in a language. It's
Keith Gaughan wrote:
As I said, I'm not defending MySQL. I'm saying that the behaviour of
NULLs in SQL is, well, buggered. Attacking a DBMS, any DBMS on the way
it handles them in various situations is a bit like shooting fish that
are fastened to the barrel of your gun.
The thing is, the
Jochem van Dieten wrote:
Keith Gaughan wrote:
As I said, I'm not defending MySQL. I'm saying that the behaviour of
NULLs in SQL is, well, buggered. Attacking a DBMS, any DBMS on the way
it handles them in various situations is a bit like shooting fish that
are fastened to the barrel of your
says contains no lemon juice
and the can of Pledge says contains real lemon juice
figures @%*((%
From: Simon Cornelius P. Umacob [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 10:51 AM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
Would
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 8:21 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
Does belonging to this list infer that I believe CF is the best web
programming language? I hope not, and there are many reasons to use CF
beside the fact that it's the best.
Matthew Small
Web Developer
You should read the latest CFDJ - there is an article on Linux, Apache,
MySQL, BlueDragon (LAMBDA).
All free sources, sounds like you could compete with the other shop by
offering this approach if price is a concern.
CFDJ, April 2005 issue, page 24.
Ray
Russ wrote:
We have a client that is
We have a client that is trying to decide whether to go with my company or
another company. We are a CF/MS SQL shop, and the other company does LAMP
development (Linux, Apache, MySQL, Perl).
I was wondering if anyone on this list can give some ideas of the pros and
cons of using CF/MS SQL
I was wondering if anyone on this list can give some ideas of the
pros and
cons of using CF/MS SQL vs LAMP.
Tell them that Perl is to Web development what the bulb is to computers.
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I can't seem to find it on the CFDJ site... is it up there yet, or does it
appear in print first? Does anyone have a link?
Russ
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From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 1:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP
You should read
On 5/31/05, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We have a client that is trying to decide whether to go with my company or
another company. We are a CF/MS SQL shop, and the other company does LAMP
development (Linux, Apache, MySQL, Perl).
The P in LAMP normally means PHP, not Perl.
As others have
1:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP
You should read the latest CFDJ - there is an article on Linux, Apache,
MySQL, BlueDragon (LAMBDA).
All free sources, sounds like you could compete with the other shop by
offering this approach if price is a concern.
CFDJ, April 2005 issue
5. IIS is easier to maintain and work with than Apache
I disagree with this. Once you play a little with the Apache config
files it is a lot quicker making changes to it than IIS.
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From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 1:52 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP
On 5/31/05, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We have a client that is trying to decide whether to go with my company or
another company. We are a CF/MS SQL shop, and the other
LAMP typically involves PHP, not Perl. Not that I'm an authority on it, but
PHP has become at least pretty much object oriented, and there's a lot of
code out there for reuse. It's not an obviously stupid choice IMO.
MySQL is free, but otherwise it's a pretty inferior option to MSSQL IMO, in
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