Re: [CODE4LIB] OCLC is us (was Re: [CODE4LIB] more metadata from xISBN)

2007-05-14 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Thanks Andrew, I am in fact aware of that publication, and it is very useful. My understanding, from a number of sources, including comments Thom Hickey (I think that was Thom? I actually missed his name in my notes) made at the FRBR Implementer's Group meeting at ALA Midwinter, is that the

[CODE4LIB] OCLC is us (was Re: [CODE4LIB] more metadata from xISBN)

2007-05-10 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
PS: The more I think about this, the more burned up I actually get. Which maybe means I shouldn't post about it, but hey, I've never been one for circumspection. If OCLC is us, then OCLC will gladly share with us (who are in fact them, right?) their research on workset grouping algorithms, and

[CODE4LIB] OCLC is us (was Re: [CODE4LIB] more metadata from xISBN)

2007-05-10 Thread Casey Durfee
I've said it before and I'll probably say it again: OSLC anyone? OCLC is too large and too old to substantially change their business practices. They have great people working there and do some excellent things (which is why the fact they won't share their goodies with the rest of us is so

Re: [CODE4LIB] OCLC is us (was Re: [CODE4LIB] more metadata from xISBN)

2007-05-10 Thread Tim Spalding
How do you see an OSLC developing? I've always felt the basis was getting some open library data—getting the LC data out. This is apparently what the other Casey is doing. Is there another way? Are there other supports that could be in place when the LC data gets out? T On 5/10/07, Casey

Re: [CODE4LIB] OCLC is us (was Re: [CODE4LIB] more metadata from xISBN)

2007-05-10 Thread Houghton,Andrew
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: 10 May, 2007 10:59 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] OCLC is us (was Re: [CODE4LIB] more metadata from xISBN) PS: The more I think about this, the more burned up I actually get. Which

Re: [CODE4LIB] more metadata from xISBN

2007-05-09 Thread William Denton
On 8 May 2007, Eric Hellman wrote: xISBN is free for non-commercial, low volume use. The xISBN web site clarifies this as meaning = 500 queries per day for non-commercial purposes. Over 500 queries in a day for non-commercial use, or any number of queries for commercial use, requires paying:

Re: [CODE4LIB] more metadata from xISBN

2007-05-09 Thread Godmar Back
Interesting. Thom Hickey commented a while ago about LibX's use of xISBN (*): I suspect that eventually the LibX xISBN support will become both less visible and more automatic. We were indeed planning on making it more automatic. For instance, a user visiting a vendor's page such as amazon

Re: [CODE4LIB] more metadata from xISBN

2007-05-09 Thread Nathan Vack
On May 9, 2007, at 11:56 AM, William Denton wrote: On 8 May 2007, Eric Hellman wrote: xISBN is free for non-commercial, low volume use. A library would pay $3,000 USD a year to be able to do 10,000 queries a day. That's a lot of queries, but I could imagine a big academic library doing a

Re: [CODE4LIB] more metadata from xISBN

2007-05-09 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Nathan Vack wrote: Also... did I somehow miss the legislation in which factual information (like, everything contained within xISBN) became copyrightable? License agreements can restrict just about anything the agreement wants to. If it's an an agreement freely entered into, you can agree to a

Re: [CODE4LIB] more metadata from xISBN

2007-05-09 Thread Eric Hellman
As long as LibX is free and not being used as a way to drive Amazon revenue, I don't see how it could be considered to be commercial. We've studied our logs pretty carefully. Most of the sites that have exceeded the limit we set were commercial sites doing bulk harvest. You can track the xISBN

Re: [CODE4LIB] more metadata from xISBN

2007-05-09 Thread Godmar Back
On 5/9/07, Eric Hellman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As long as LibX is free and not being used as a way to drive Amazon revenue, I don't see how it could be considered to be commercial. Probably a way to drive Amazon revenue down, considering that we offer the alternative to borrow the book

Re: [CODE4LIB] more metadata from xISBN

2007-05-09 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Yeah, that's a good point, Eric. I am, however, worried that I can't do what I want to do without breaking 500 querries a day, and my institution is not going to be willing to pay for it. So I'm interested in exploring other opportunities. (Does Umlaut really not exceed 500 querries a day, for

Re: [CODE4LIB] more metadata from xISBN

2007-05-09 Thread Eric Hellman
At 4:41 PM -0400 5/9/07, Godmar Back wrote: On 5/9/07, Eric Hellman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've studied our logs pretty carefully. Most of the sites that have exceeded the limit we set were commercial sites doing bulk harvest. You can track the xISBN use by LibX by getting an affiliate id.

Re: [CODE4LIB] more metadata from xISBN

2007-05-09 Thread Ross Singer
On 5/9/07, Jonathan Rochkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am, however, worried that I can't do what I want to do without breaking 500 querries a day, and my institution is not going to be willing to pay for it. So I'm interested in exploring other opportunities. (Does Umlaut really not exceed 500