Re: [configuration] handling exceptions in AbstractConfiguration implementations

2004-10-09 Thread Tim Reilly
Does the ASF and the FSF not get along? Philosophically Yes! The FSF philosophy is that software is a right. The Apache philosophy is basically give credit where credit is due, but your programs that are derived from ASL software need not be free, and may be commercial works. Sort of a socialism

Re: [configuration] handling exceptions in AbstractConfiguration implementations

2004-10-07 Thread Ricardo Gladwell
Emmanuel Bourg wrote: Excluding LGPLed projects is just a political decision imho. Emmanuel Bourg Sorry for sounding newbie about this, but what exactly are the political difficulties to hosting LGPL and ASL projects on the apache.org domain. Does the ASF and the FSF not get along? Kind

Re: Licensing (was: Re: [configuration] handling exceptions in AbstractConfiguration implementations)

2004-10-07 Thread Henning P. Schmiedehausen
Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (Henning's .sig is especially apt in his reply btw. :) ) To me, the Levesque paper is a pretty good summary of the current state of the (mostly GPL) open source community as a whole. It hurts and she steps on so many toes of all the self-declared

RE: [configuration] handling exceptions in AbstractConfiguration implementations

2004-10-06 Thread Eric Pugh
Hi Ricardo.. Sounds like you are working on something I've been wanting for a long time! At any rate.. I believe there is a ConfigurationRuntimeException that you could throw, even though it's not part of the API. I think the reason that most of the gets don't throw an exception is because 99%

Re: [configuration] handling exceptions in AbstractConfiguration implementations

2004-10-06 Thread Ricardo Gladwell
Eric Pugh wrote: Hi Ricardo.. Sounds like you are working on something I've been wanting for a long time! Of course, I was going to release it anyway so please find the source-code attached. Not sure it belongs in commons-configration API; probably better contributed to the hibernate project.

Re: [configuration] handling exceptions in AbstractConfiguration implementations

2004-10-06 Thread James Mitchell
: jmitchtx - Original Message - From: Ricardo Gladwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta Commons Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [configuration] handling exceptions in AbstractConfiguration implementations Eric Pugh wrote: Hi Ricardo

RE: [configuration] handling exceptions in AbstractConfiguration implementations

2004-10-06 Thread Eric Pugh
. 678.910.8017 AIM: jmitchtx - Original Message - From: Ricardo Gladwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta Commons Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [configuration] handling exceptions in AbstractConfiguration implementations Eric Pugh

Re: [configuration] handling exceptions in AbstractConfiguration implementations

2004-10-06 Thread James Mitchell
Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist EdgeTech, Inc. 678.910.8017 AIM: jmitchtx - Original Message - From: Eric Pugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta Commons Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:05 AM Subject: RE: [configuration] handling exceptions

Re: [configuration] handling exceptions in AbstractConfiguration implementations

2004-10-06 Thread Ricardo Gladwell
P.S. Please find the JUnit test code attached. Ricardo Gladwell wrote: Eric Pugh wrote: Hi Ricardo.. Sounds like you are working on something I've been wanting for a long time! Of course, I was going to release it anyway so please find the source-code attached. Not sure it belongs in

Re: [configuration] handling exceptions in AbstractConfiguration implementations

2004-10-06 Thread Emmanuel Bourg
I don't want to sound harsh, but what is the added value of using Hibernate here for such a simple data structure ? A direct JDBC implementation is good enough and spare a 1.5MB dependency. Emmanuel Bourg Ricardo Gladwell wrote: Hi All, I'm currently developing a sub-class of the

Re: [configuration] handling exceptions in AbstractConfiguration implementations

2004-10-06 Thread Emmanuel Bourg
James Mitchell wrote: Problem with having Hibernate implementations is that the license is incompatible with the ASL. So you'll need to keep any incompatible code somewhere elselike I do with commons-resources at sf.net. AKAIK Hibernate is licensed under the LGPL and is perfectly compatible

Re: [configuration] handling exceptions in AbstractConfiguration implementations

2004-10-06 Thread James Mitchell
/ Open Source Evangelist EdgeTech, Inc. 678.910.8017 AIM: jmitchtx - Original Message - From: Emmanuel Bourg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta Commons Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [configuration] handling exceptions

Re: [configuration] handling exceptions in AbstractConfiguration implementations

2004-10-06 Thread James Mitchell
] handling exceptions in AbstractConfiguration implementations I don't want to sound harsh, but what is the added value of using Hibernate here for such a simple data structure ? A direct JDBC implementation is good enough and spare a 1.5MB dependency. Emmanuel Bourg Ricardo Gladwell wrote

Re: [configuration] handling exceptions in AbstractConfiguration implementations

2004-10-06 Thread Ricardo Gladwell
Emmanuel Bourg wrote: I don't want to sound harsh, but what is the added value of using Hibernate here for such a simple data structure ? A direct JDBC implementation is good enough and spare a 1.5MB dependency. Nothing, AFAIK: the only reason I developed it was because I was using Hibernate in

RE: [configuration] handling exceptions in AbstractConfiguration implementations

2004-10-06 Thread Eric Pugh
, Eric -Original Message- From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:23 PM To: Jakarta Commons Developers List Subject: Re: [configuration] handling exceptions in AbstractConfiguration implementations One advantage for me is having the ability

Licensing (was: Re: [configuration] handling exceptions in AbstractConfiguration implementations)

2004-10-06 Thread Henning P. Schmiedehausen
Eric Pugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is really driving me crazy.. I have tracked threads on general and jakarta-pmc mailing lists about this.. And everytime it comes down to I am not a lawyer and a bunch of FUD. We really need someone from the top of Apache to provide direction. I work a

Re: [configuration] handling exceptions in AbstractConfiguration implementations

2004-10-06 Thread Emmanuel Bourg
Eric Pugh wrote: This is really driving me crazy.. I have tracked threads on general and jakarta-pmc mailing lists about this.. And everytime it comes down to I am not a lawyer and a bunch of FUD. We really need someone from the top of Apache to provide direction. I work a lot with hibernate

Re: Licensing (was: Re: [configuration] handling exceptions in AbstractConfiguration implementations)

2004-10-06 Thread Henri Yandell
Correct. I'll work to resolve the lack of published information. It's more than just LGPL really, we need a page that lists all acceptable OSI-accepted licences. LGPL is just the biggest issue as it's probably the 2nd most common open-source Java licence behind BSD-like. As far as the FUD/IANAL

Re: [configuration] handling exceptions in AbstractConfiguration implementations

2004-10-06 Thread James Mitchell
Subject: RE: [configuration] handling exceptions in AbstractConfiguration implementations This is really driving me crazy.. I have tracked threads on general and jakarta-pmc mailing lists about this.. And everytime it comes down to I am not a lawyer and a bunch of FUD. We really need someone from