Re: [computer-go] 9x9 vs 19x19 (was: computer-go Digest)

2007-05-22 Thread Jacques BasaldĂșa
Heikki Levanto wrote: I think it is better to stick to 9x9 as the beginners tournament, where it is easy to test new ideas in quick games, and 19x19 as the serious tournament where we can see how good computers are at playing the game like we humans do. I agree 100%. Other board sizes are

[computer-go] 9x9 vs 19x19 (was: computer-go Digest)

2007-05-21 Thread Heikki Levanto
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 10:46:24AM -0600, David Silver wrote: But... in practice, I haven't got good results on larger boards. But to be honest, I've focused much more on 9x9, so perhaps I've missed some simple tricks. I think there has been a marked change of interest since the

Re: [computer-go] 9x9 vs 19x19 (was: computer-go Digest)

2007-05-21 Thread Don Dailey
There has been much talk of a 19x19 CGOS and I have had people offer systems to run it on. I think Dave Dyer also would let us run a 19x19 version. David Doshay has offered some space for it too - which is what I am leaning towards right now. I haven't implemented any of the handicap stuff,

Re: [computer-go] 9x9 vs 19x19 (was: computer-go Digest)

2007-05-21 Thread Chris Fant
There has been much talk of a 19x19 CGOS and I have had people offer systems to run it on. I think Dave Dyer also would let us run a 19x19 version. ... I still have this horrible fear that 9x9 would suffer if several programs moved over to 19x19. Or perhaps BOTH would suffer from a lack

Re: [computer-go] 9x9 vs 19x19 (was: computer-go Digest)

2007-05-21 Thread terry mcintyre
] - Original Message From: Heikki Levanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 12:13:43 PM Subject: Re: [computer-go] 9x9 vs 19x19 (was: computer-go Digest) On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 02:58:25PM -0400, Don Dailey wrote

Re: [computer-go] 9x9 vs 19x19 (was: computer-go Digest)

2007-05-21 Thread Don Dailey
On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 15:13 -0400, Chris Fant wrote: There has been much talk of a 19x19 CGOS and I have had people offer systems to run it on. I think Dave Dyer also would let us run a 19x19 version. ... I still have this horrible fear that 9x9 would suffer if several programs

Re: [computer-go] 9x9 vs 19x19 (was: computer-go Digest)

2007-05-21 Thread Heikki Levanto
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 03:13:09PM -0400, Chris Fant wrote: Why not 13x13 before 19x19? Because the next step would be 15x15, and then 17x17, and when (if) we get to 19x19, there are so few competitors around that the whole tournament won't make any sense. I think it is better to stick to 9x9

Re: [computer-go] 9x9 vs 19x19 (was: computer-go Digest)

2007-05-21 Thread Joshua Shriver
I agree 9x9 is wonderful, but a 19x19 for deep testing would be nice. To many variations and you risk the threat of diluting the engine pool. -Josh On 5/21/07, Heikki Levanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 03:13:09PM -0400, Chris Fant wrote: Why not 13x13 before 19x19?

Re: [computer-go] 9x9 vs 19x19 (was: computer-go Digest)

2007-05-21 Thread Don Dailey
You missed 11x11. I used to test a lot with 11x11. I think it's a great size, a big step up from 9x9 and more go-like than 9x9 but still easy to test. But I agree with Heikki - we probably don't want too many variants. Perhaps I set up 19x19 tomorrow on Dave Dyers server. I'm think 20 minutes

Re: [computer-go] 9x9 vs 19x19 (was: computer-go Digest)

2007-05-21 Thread terry mcintyre
. Terry McIntyre UNIX for hire software development / systems administration / security [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message From: Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 3:58:18 PM Subject: Re: [computer-go] 9x9 vs 19x19