Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!

Oh that's silly! IIRC if your bot is not ranked than users can do all kind of cheating in the scoring phase (e.g., mark all your living stones dead). On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:07 AM, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: > On 10/05/2016 0:01, Erik van der Werf wrote: > > Well then why not

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!

On 10/05/2016 0:01, Erik van der Werf wrote: > Well then why not make that a criterion for entering the tournament? For > any half-decent bot it shouldn't be hard to get a rating. FWIW I requested ranked status for LeelaBot 3 weeks ago and this was not granted. Technically I'm not sure if this

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!

Well then why not make that a criterion for entering the tournament? For any half-decent bot it shouldn't be hard to get a rating. Any idea what happens for unrated bots? Do they end up somewhere at the bottom, or are they rejected? Erik On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 11:40 PM, Nick Wedd

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!

On 9/05/2016 23:16, Erik van der Werf wrote: > Why not McMahon? (possibly with reduced handicap). It works fine in > human Go tournaments. http://senseis.xmp.net/?McMahon How does this work? That page doesn't mention handicaps. Indeed, the idea seems to be to eliminate large strength

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!

A problem with McMahon is that the bots would all need KGS ratings. I can't assign ratings myself, the scheduler uses the ratings assigned by KGS. In the five tournaments held so far this year, there are sixteen bots that have competed at least once: eight have been rated, eight not. Nick On 9

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!

Another matter is that, in case of MCTS programs, encouraging them to play well in handicap games was a troublesome point. This cuts both ways (may discourage participation, or encourage implementation of better handling of handicap games). A possible strategy would be: - Require ranked

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!

Why not McMahon? (possibly with reduced handicap). It works fine in human Go tournaments. IMO KGS Swiss is pretty boring for most of the time, and the scheduler often seems to have a lot of undesired influence on the final ranking. Also at this point I'm really not that interested any more to

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!

Hi Gian-Carlo, I have thought carefully about your question on determinning handicaps properly. It seems you are very right with your doubts > The first obvious question is then: how will you determine the handicaps? A naive approach would be to take the KGS ranks of the bots. But even for

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!

I'm not sure what options are available for tournament setup, but assuming we can enter skill levels manually... I think it would be hard to pick perfect ratings, but I bet it wouldn't be too difficult to generate a guess at ELO/kyu levels based on past performance. Inputting something like ELO/2

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!

On May 9, 2016 10:38 AM, "Urban Hafner" wrote: > >Also, you give me too much credit. I’m not the primary author of HouseBot, that is Jason House. I was merely a co-author/contributor. > > Urban I didn't even notice that in the report! I'm not too worried about credit for

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!

On 09-05-16 16:04, "Ingo Althöfer" wrote: > Another point for discussion: > Although there were only six participants they split in > at least 4 classes, seperated by large gaps in strength: > Zen >> abakus, HiraBot >> LeelaBot >> Imrsel, matilda > Perhaps it makes really sense to think about a

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!

Thanks for organising this Nick! Even though Iomrascálaí came second to last it was very useful as I could figure out how to make it play on KGS. :) And like Ingo already said, it played against abakus in the second round. Also, you give me too much credit. I’m not the primary author of HouseBot,

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!

Hi Nick, thanks for organizing the tournament and also for the report. I found one small inconsistency: You write that Imrsel had connection problems in round 2 against matilda. But in round 2, imrsel had been paired with abakus, according to the table.  

[Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!

Congratulations to Xen19X, winner of yesterday's KGS bot tournament, with 12 wins from 12 games! My report is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/122/index.html As always, I will welcome your comments and corrections. Nick -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com