Re: [Computer-go] Alphago Zero special circumstances

On 10/23/2017 11:29 AM, Dave Dyer wrote: I wonder how alphago-0 treats the menagerie of special positions, such as bent 4 in the corner, thousand year ko, rotating ko, etc. they are using chinese rules, so bent four just gets played out. have no idea about strange ko's. there was a double

Re: [Computer-go] Alphago Zero special circumstances

Zero's MCTS code knows "legal" moves (as a part of rules) embed (page 22). Bent four will be solved in practice as she uses Chinese rules. Hideki Dave Dyer: <20171023210343.e65bc31a...@eugeneweb.com>: > >I wonder how alphago-0 treats the menagerie of special positions, such as >bent 4 in the

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

On 2017-10-23 at 19:15, Xavier Combelle wrote: > Hi Robert Jasiek, > > you might have a delusional way to see the game of go and life, this is quite an insult, IMO, and I’d prefer not to read such personal attacks in this list. What about staying on-topic? > but

Re: [Computer-go] Alphago Zero special circumstances

It will be interesting to realize that those specialized positions (thousand-year-ko, bent 4) are actually a microscopic issue in game-winning. s. On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 2:10 PM, uurtamo . wrote: > We can all "wonder" such things unless we are not too busy to build some >

Re: [Computer-go] Alphago Zero special circumstances

We can all "wonder" such things unless we are not too busy to build some code to filter out such positions and see what actually happened in the self-play games opened up to everyone to see. s. On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:29 AM, Dave Dyer wrote: > > I wonder how alphago-0

Re: [Computer-go] Alphago Zero special circumstances

I wonder how alphago-0 treats the menagerie of special positions, such as bent 4 in the corner, thousand year ko, rotating ko, etc. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

Re: [Computer-go] Alphago Zero special circumstances

I wonder how alphago-0 treats the menagerie of special positions, such as bent 4 in the corner, thousand year ko, rotating ko, etc. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

If you wanted to do research on a specific joseki to see if AG0 found weaknesses or explored alternatives, especially in games past day 3 (when it began besting AGM), it would be quite interesting to see, through that explicit filter, what kinds of things emerged around that specific joseki. You

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

Hi Robert Jasiek, you might have a delusional way to see the game of go and life, but I would love that you would not pollute my mailbox with such a delusional vision. I'm certain that a lot of person of this mailing list and other forums share my view. To sum up, I would be pleased and I'm

[Computer-go] Alphago Zero - Pulling on your shoelaces with a 1600N force

Deepmind's paper on Alphago Zero (AGZ) gave an unexpected and beautiful answer to the question I confusedly posted here a while ago: http://computer-go.org/pipermail/computer-go/2017-January/009828.html http://computer-go.org/pipermail/computer-go/2017-February/009894.html   ==> MCTS is

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

If the AG got better by playing against itself rather than training on previous good players then I do not thing training data is that important. Perhaps it is but google has shown that actually u dont need it. Just loads of processing will do the trick. 2017-10-23 15:05 GMT+03:00 Jim

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

On 23.10.2017 14:05, Jim O'Flaherty wrote: Couldn't they be useful as part of a set of training data for newly trained engines and networks? All the millions of games would be very useful for many purposes. E.g., I want to know whether the reconstructed knowledge includes such basic things

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

No, they are too few games for that. On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 8:05 AM, Jim O'Flaherty wrote: > Couldn't they be useful as part of a set of training data for newly > trained engines and networks? > > On Oct 23, 2017 2:34 AM, "Petri Pitkanen"

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

Couldn't they be useful as part of a set of training data for newly trained engines and networks? On Oct 23, 2017 2:34 AM, "Petri Pitkanen" wrote: > They are free to use in any attribution. Game score is a reflection of > historical fact and hence not copyrightable.

Re: [Computer-go] Reducing network size? (Was: AlphaGo Zero)

from https://twitter.com/Miles_Brundage https://arxiv.org/abs/1710.07535 https://arxiv.org/abs/1709.01041 On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Darren Cook wrote: > > The source of AlphaGo Zero is really of zero interest (pun intended). > > The source code is the first-hand

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

"Petri Pitkanen" wrot: > They are free to use in any attribution. Game score is a reflection of > historical fact and hence not copyrightable. "reflection of historical fact" concerns games that were played in public. Over the decades, there were several

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

They are free to use in any attribution. Game score is a reflection of historical fact and hence not copyrightable. Dunno what use them are to anyone though. Petri 2017-10-23 2:29 GMT+03:00 Lucas Baker : > Hi Robert, > > The AlphaGo Zero games are free to use with proper