Anybody knows what is minirock2? Was it programmed by rock2? That would be big
news :-)
Fabien, are you reading?
Rémi
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Interesting speculation.
Independent of the programmer question I woukd like to see
Minirock2 playing rated games.
Ingo.
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Datum: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:33:32 +0100
Von: Rémi Coulom remi.cou...@free.fr
An: computer-go@dvandva.org
Betreff: [Computer-go]
For people who missed it in the Kibitz, Rémi Coulom also put together a very
nice automatic analysis tool for this game:
http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/~coulom/CrazyStone/CrazyAnalysis.html
As he stated, it's very experimental (it seems the Next link is sometimes
broken??). I still find it
I thought it is Steenvreter.
Hiroshi Yamashita
- Original Message -
From: Ingo Althöfer 3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de
To: computer-go@dvandva.org
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Computer-go] minirock2
Interesting speculation.
Independent of the programmer question I
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 12:25:57PM +0100, Petr Baudis wrote:
Have the courage to
compete under human conditions! Enter human tournaments!
That's easy to say. Do you know a tournament where a program can enter?
I have tried few times with Pachi, never successfully yet. I think some
other
Congratulations to Zen19, winner of yesterday's KGS bot tournament with
eight wins from eight games!
My report is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/79/index.html
As usual, I look forward to your comments and corrections.
Nick
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Hello,
no chance for John Tromp to use such an approach.
In that game komi was 0.5, but John has (tonight)
play against 7.5.
One weird mistake of zen (5d) against a 4d player on kgs, who played
mirror till the end except last move, where Zen self-remove liberties on
a string, thus breaking
23 november 2011 Zen19D (5d) vs need9d (4d) (just in case attachment
is removed)
Why is that game no longer in the archives of KGS? See at
http://www.gokgs.com/gameArchives.jsp?user=need9dyear=2011month=11
Has that mirror player been punished?
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Date is wrong. Here is the game on KGS:
http://files.gokgs.com/games/2011/11/3/Zen19D-need9d-3.sgf
http://eidogo.com/#url:http://files.gokgs.com/games/2011/11/3/Zen19D-need9d-3.sgf
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Ingo Althöfer 3-hirn-ver...@gmx.dewrote:
23 november 2011 Zen19D (5d) vs
If the author looks at it, could you update us? I'm always curious about
how such things happen, especially in a bot as strong as Zen.
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Andy andy.olsen...@gmail.com wrote:
Date is wrong. Here is the game on KGS:
(2012/01/17 8:43), Michael Williams wrote:
If the author looks at it, could you update us? I'm always curious
about how such things happen, especially in a bot as strong as Zen.
Honestly I don't want to spend a lot of time on this type of problem.
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Yamato
In the last UEC Cup, the Japanese program katsunari played with mirror Go
strategy against Zen, Fuego and ManyFaces. katsunari lost all three games.
http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/~igo/eng/result_2nd/Zen-katsunari.sgf.html
http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/~igo/eng/result_2nd/katsunari-Fuego.sgf.html
I think that the main problem was not winning or losing a mirrored game but
the blunder in late endgame by playing suicidal move. Perhaps Zen was
losing the game, so this was the reason for the blunder. But if Zen was
winning, then it was serious bug and it had nothing to do with the
mirroring
I am not talking about that Zen’s “blunder” but simply mentioned in
passing about handling mirroring strategy that Yamato and we don’t want to
spend time with. For this game, you should be strong enough to judge Zen was
winning or not.
Aja
From: Jouni Valkonen
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012
Aja, you are talking something that has zero relevance for this topic. Zen
was winning by ½ point, but it miscalculated in late yose and blundered
severely. This was serious endgame bug. This thread has absolutely nothing
to do with the fact that the game was mirrored, but only that that Zen
throw
OK, I see your point. So it should be Yamato reply the question if he like.
:)
Aja
From: Jouni Valkonen
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 6:45 PM
To: Aja Huang ; computer-go
Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Zen blunder in long mirror go game
Aja, you are talking something that has zero relevance for
(2012/01/17 10:45), Jouni Valkonen wrote:
Aja, you are talking something that has zero relevance for this topic.
Zen was winning by ½ point, but it miscalculated in late yose and
blundered severely. This was serious endgame bug. This thread has
absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the
hallo,
I think that this match was huge success, although humanity lost. It
attracted about 300 spectators into each game.
Therefore it would be nice if these kind of gobot challenges would return
at least every now and then. Once in one or two months, best of three
matches and with slow time
You can find some online data on the fourth game of the match:
(i) MC winning percentages (by Many Faces of Go)
http://www.althofer.de/zen-tromp-04-percents.jpg
(ii) Traditional territory scores (by Many Faces of Go)
http://www.althofer.de/zen-tromp-02-territory.jpg
(iii) sgf with normal KGS
Sorry, one typo. It has to be
(ii) Traditional territory scores (by Many Faces of Go)
http://www.althofer.de/zen-tromp-04-territory.jpg
Ingo.
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(i) MC winning percentages (by Many Faces of Go)
http://www.althofer.de/zen-tromp-04-percents.jpg
(ii) Traditional territory scores (by Many Faces of Go)
http://www.althofer.de/zen-tromp-02-territory.jpg
I think that 2nd link should have been:
John, thank you for doing this! But with all due resepect, you have been
eclipsed and we need a new challenger. For next year (or whenever) I hope
that person is as reasonable and sane as John has been. Not everyone is
cut out for the quirks of the man-machine matches.
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012
dear Michael,
John, thank you for doing this! But with all due resepect, you have been
eclipsed and we need a new challenger. For next year (or whenever) I hope
that person is as reasonable and sane as John has been. Not everyone is cut
out for the quirks of the man-machine matches.
I
I think that this match was huge success, although humanity lost. It
attracted about 300 spectators into each game.
Thanks for the support everyone. I've tried to summarize the four games
here:
http://dcook.org/gobet/
Corrections welcome (private email is fine). The brief game summaries
are
2012/1/17 Yamato yamato...@yahoo.co.jp
(2012/01/17 10:45), Jouni Valkonen wrote:
Aja, you are talking something that has zero relevance for this topic.
Zen was winning by ½ point, but it miscalculated in late yose and
blundered severely. This was serious endgame bug. This thread has
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