In which langage will it be ?
2015-03-28 23:58 GMT+01:00 Joshua Shriver jshri...@gmail.com:
What elements did you like about CGOS and what do you wish for?
I've begun writing a new version from scratch that isn't TCL based.
With the aim for future use and also open source and open to public
Thanks a lot looks like a good overview of go and computer go
(I only read the transcript because the video don't work on my noflash
system)
2015-02-25 0:28 GMT+01:00 Michael Alford m...@aracnet.com:
Apology, forgot the link:
http://blog.fogcreek.com/go-and-artificial-intelligence-tech-talk/
very nice job
2015-03-25 16:36 GMT+01:00 Petr Baudis pa...@ucw.cz:
Hi!
So what's the strongest program you can make with minimum effort
and code size while keeping maximum clarity? Chess programers
were exploring this for long time, e.g. with Sunfish, and that inspired
me to try out
It's not clear why you would want that your engine have control on
communication. Can you explain your use case ?
2015-06-08 7:28 GMT+02:00 Ray Tayek rta...@ca.rr.com:
hi, still implementing gtp for my topological go program. it sorta works
with gogui.
looking at the gnugo implementation, it
Just curious, why in the statistics it is mentioned 1475 players and in
the list only 602. Does the list mention only players having playing
recently ?
2015-07-29 21:32 GMT+02:00 Rémi Coulom remi.cou...@free.fr:
Lee Hajin is also quite a bit weaker than Yoda Norimoto or Cho Chikun.
BTW,
I allowed my self to remove the link from the wikipedia page as non pair
reviewed
2015-07-29 15:53 GMT+02:00 Ingo Althöfer 3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de:
Hi Rèmi,
gorget it - no serious work.
Ingo.
Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Juli 2015 um 15:38 Uhr
Von: Rémi Coulom remi.cou...@free.fr
An:
the link is wrong but the label is correct it is indeed
http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/115/index.html
http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/114/index.html
2015-08-10 19:29 GMT+02:00 Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com:
Congratulations to Zen19X, winner of yesterday's 13x13 KGS bot
tournament, with 17
I wonder what was the algorithm for your first bot. Alpha Beta ?
2015-07-14 9:45 GMT+02:00 Ingo Althöfer 3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de:
Hello Josef, hello all,
Josef Moudrik j.moud...@gmail.com
... As far as I know, combinatorial game theory is not used
in modern Go engines, despite its nice
I found interesting the concept of Probability limited search
2015-09-15 2:58 GMT+02:00 Ray Tayek :
>
> http://games.slashdot.org/story/15/09/14/219/neural-network-chess-computer-abandons-brute-force-for-human-approach
>
> Posted by samzenpus on
If you refuse the handicap, the games will be *without* handicap not *with
correct* handicap
2015-10-01 19:13 GMT+02:00 Gonçalo Mendes Ferreira :
> I'm not sure but try removing the free handicap placement commands from
> the list of supported commands, returned by the command
Thanks, it was nice.
I have a question did you tried to implement Nested montecarlo tree search
in two player game ?
If I remembered well something like this was envisioned in this mailing
list.
2015-12-30 13:29 GMT+01:00 Hendrik Baier :
> Hello list,
>
> I recently
for me it's clearly GPL violation
2016-06-10 22:17 GMT+02:00 Darren Cook :
> >> At 5d KGS, is this the world's strongest MIT/BSD licensed program? ...
> >> actually, is there any other MIT/BSD go program out there? (I thought
> >> Pachi was, but it is GPLv2)
> >
> > Huh, that's
I must say Zen19A has a very nice play style
2016-06-21 10:38 GMT+02:00 Hideki Kato :
> Dear Ingo and others,
>
> I'd like to note that Zen19A limits the handicap upto 4 stones
> instead of usual 6. This is the reason the account is not Zen19
> but Zen19A. #It's weill
here a comment by Antti Törmänen
http://gooften.net/2016/01/28/the-future-is-here-a-professional-level-go-ai/
2016-01-28 11:19 GMT+01:00 Darren Cook :
> > If you want to view them in the browser, I've also put them on my blog:
> >
>
2016-02-01 12:24 GMT+01:00 Olivier Teytaud :
> If AlphaGo had lost at least one game, I'd understand how people can have
> an upper bound on its level, but with 5-0 (except for Blitz) it's hard to
> have an upper bound on his level. After all, AlphaGo might just have played
> well
I had got an idea but I don't think I'm strong enough programmer to
implement it. (In particular I know quite nothing about neural network)
So I submit it here.
If we have a neural network which is able to evaluate all the positions of
a board.
The following might help to improve it.
>From a
Congrats to Aja and alphago team
2016-03-09 8:43 GMT+01:00 Hiroshi Yamashita :
> AlphaGo won 1st game against Lee Sedol!
>
> Hiroshi Yamashita
>
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This comment should be very good, it was done by a 9 dan pro, the top rank
in go.
2016-03-09 9:27 GMT+01:00 Sergey Nikolenko :
> Everybody here probably knows it, but just in case -- there's a
> commented broadcast uploaded here:
>
2016-03-17 16:16 GMT+01:00 Joshua Shriver :
> Does anyone have interest in that domain name? I'd be willing to
> transfer it to a new owner for free. It came up a year or so back and
> I grabbed it just in case but never used it.
>
> Rather see it go to someone who can use it
Reed on google blog that deepmind is moving to tensorflow. I really would
like to know if alphago has migrated too. I know that Aja Huang read this
mailing list, so maybe he has an answer.
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That's fantastic
I suppose crazystone will play with crazystone account, but what will be
her handle ?
2016-05-16 9:50 GMT+02:00 Rémi Coulom :
> Hi,
>
> I am very happy to announce that Hajin Lee will play a live commented game
> against Crazy Stone on Sunday, at 8PM Korean
According to https://www.gokgs.com/help/_fr_FR/tournMcMahon.html McMahon
avoid high handicap. You could also setup a swiss with handicap tournament
2016-05-18 18:06 GMT+02:00 Nick Wedd :
> I had been persuaded, by postings to this list, to run the monthly KGS bot
>
AFter watching that it was a 13x13 tournament I would say that the more
probable is that KGS don't know how to handle handicap tournament with
small board
2016-05-18 18:30 GMT+02:00 Xavier Combelle <xavier.combe...@gmail.com>:
> According to https://www.gokgs.com/help/_fr_FR/tournMcM
I can confirm that github project and kgs bot are different according to
the github project owner see
https://www.reddit.com/r/baduk/comments/4ew30e/betago_create_your_own_go_bot_using_deep_neural/d2471hf
2016-04-19 17:11 GMT+02:00 Rémi Coulom :
> Anybody knows who is the
at looks like Czech, and my crosstable-building
> script won't understand them.
>
> Nick
>
> On 8 August 2016 at 23:48, Xavier Combelle <xavier.combe...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Is it volunteer that there is no cross table for open division ? If I
>> understand
Is it volunteer that there is no cross table for open division ? If I
understand well there is only two bot on it.
2016-08-08 13:59 GMT+02:00 Nick Wedd :
> Congratulations to Zen19X, winner of yesterdays's KGS bot tournament!
>
> My report, at
It is a rumor.
https://www.reddit.com/r/baduk/comments/5rtgv3/ke_jie_and_chinese_go_association_deny_recent/
There is probably négociations
Le 6 févr. 2017 14:40, a écrit :
Is it a rumor or will ke Jie play Alpha-Go in April?
Strangely enougth I received all the said messages
Le 23/01/2017 à 06:20, "Ingo Althöfer" a écrit :
> ... and also not my own one from 2 minutes ago.
> I can only look it up in the archives.
>
> Strange.
>
> Ingo.
>
>
>> Gesendet: Montag, 23. Januar 2017 um 02:37 Uhr
>> Von:
Not with the free.fr address
Le 12 févr. 2017 11:21, "Lukas van de Wiel" a
écrit :
> Well, Remi.
>
> Obviously, you still can, somehow.
>
> Lukas
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Rémi Coulom
> wrote:
>
>> :
Hi !
Do you know King of Tsumego: Panda Sensei on android
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=pandanet.tsumego=fr
It seem that he won against the best go players during the pair go
championship
Le 26/10/2016 à 19:42, David Ongaro a écrit :
>
>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 9:32 AM, Xavier Combelle
>> <xavier.combe...@gmail.com <mailto:xavier.combe...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> but it seems to me there is a problem in this variation proposed by
>> Hayl
Le 26/10/2016 à 20:41, David Ongaro a écrit :
>
>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 11:07 AM, Xavier Combelle
>> <xavier.combe...@gmail.com <mailto:xavier.combe...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Le 26/10/2016 à 19:42, David Ongaro a écrit :
>>
>>
Hi Hideki
Sorry in kgs, the game has no result in kgs, did it ended with pro
resignation ?
Le 23/11/2016 à 23:03, Hideki Kato a écrit :
> Thanks David.
>
> It's now.
>
> In the same afternoon, Zen vs Yonil Ha 6p was played on KGS as a part
> of Neyagawa Igo Shogi Festival in Neyagawa city,
thanks a lot
Le 24/11/2016 à 12:31, Hideki Kato a écrit :
> Ah, yes. Maybe he didn't push "resign".
>
> Hideki
>
> Xavier Combelle: <1d25b061-1f25-497e-c270-ee2040602...@gmail.com>:
>> Hi Hideki
>> Sorry in kgs, the game has no result in kgs, did it
Le 11/01/2017 à 16:14, Bo Peng a écrit :
> Hi,
>
>> How do you get the V(s) for those datasets? You play out the endgame
>> with the Monte Carlo playouts?
>>
>> I think one problem with this approach is that errors in the data for
>> V(s) directly correlate to errors in MC playouts. So a large
I'm interested, What would be approx the mailing cost to send to France ?
Le 13/01/2017 à 11:32, Nick Wedd a écrit :
> I have a partial run of Computer Go", issues 3-16, dated 1987-1991;
> also some duplicates. Is this of any interest to anyone? I live in
> England, and will send it to anyone
No problem
Le 13/01/2017 à 13:34, Nick Wedd a écrit :
> Hi Xavier,
>
> I'm sorry, I've just sent it to someone else.
>
> Nick
>
> On 13 January 2017 at 12:18, Xavier Combelle
> <xavier.combe...@gmail.com <mailto:xavier.combe...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
the author to
sign it and give me their public key.
Xavier Combelle
Le 12/01/2017 à 11:04, Gian-Carlo Pascutto a écrit :
> On 11-01-17 18:09, Xavier Combelle wrote:
>> Of course it means distribute at least the binary so, or the source,
>> so proprietary software could be rel
I mean as a company too, until this point none has succeed
Le 05/01/2017 à 19:35, Adrian Petrescu a écrit :
> As an individual? Probably, yes.
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Xavier Combelle
> <xavier.combe...@gmail.com <mailto:xavier.combe...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
Le 05/01/2017 à 02:16, Yamato a écrit :
> Yes, it is AlphaGo. I am relieved that DeepMind clarified this.
>
> Honestly I got a little frustrated that many people didn't think that
> was AlphaGo. It was almost clear to me because I know the difficulty of
> developing AlphaGo-like bots.
thanks for
To my knowledge, fishtest is also a major part of stockfish engine. It
is essential because there is lot of possible improvement and most of
them win only 2 or 3 elo points, but added, it lead to 60-70 elo points
between each release (every one year or something like that)
Le 06/01/2017 à 17:22,
Le 05/01/2017 à 07:37, Robert Jasiek a écrit :
> On 04.01.2017 22:08, "Ingo Althöfer" wrote:
>> humanity's last hope
>
> The "last hope" are theoreticians creating arcane positions far
> outside the NN of AlphaGo so that its deep reading would be
> insufficient compensation! Another chance is
works.
>
> Nick
>
> On 7 January 2017 at 21:24, Xavier Combelle <xavier.combe...@gmail.com
> <mailto:xavier.combe...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> > ...this is a major objective. E.g., we do not want AI driven cars
> > working right most of the time
: you can improve your chances
> by making yourself more visible, do not jump from beyond obstacles, be
> more careful when crossing or not crossing before they actually stop. A
> failure in an AI car seems much more unpredictable.
>
> Gonçalo
>
> On 07/01/2017 21:24, Xavier Combelle
> ...this is a major objective. E.g., we do not want AI driven cars
> working right most of the time but sometimes killing people because
> the AI faces situations (such as a local sand storm or a painting on
> the street with a fake landscape or fake human being) outside its
> current training
It's pretty ironic that they put in the list the funder of scihub
and that in the same time have a firm policy of paywalling everything
for example by putting
pressure on deepmind to drawback
their preprint from alphago website.
I suppose that they did have really no other choice.
Le 19/12/2016
Thanks a lot for your work on this report and all your work for computer go
in general
Le 16 mars 2017 12:55, "Nick Wedd" a écrit :
> Congratulations to Zen19X, winner of the Spring Slow KGS bot tournament!
>
> My report is now at
According to what happen in chess and according to the tee size of go game
I would say that astronomically far from perfect play is an astronomical
understatement.
Le 17 août 2017 07:17, "Cai Gengyang" a écrit :
Does anyone here know how far AlphaGo is away from perfect
Is it japanese tome zone?
Le 19 mai 2017 05:41, "Hiroshi Yamashita" a écrit :
Hi,
It will be played in a week.
But there are few information about this.
Is there YouTube live available?
I found a schedule in Panda-net site.
Ke Jie vs. AlphaGo (3 hours + 1 minute x5)
Le 7 juin 2017 22:21, "Cai Gengyang" a écrit :
Hi guys,
Just a couple of questions :
1) Is it true that DeepMind's comprehensive victory over Ke Jie means that
essentially it is proven to be true that AI has definitely triumphed over
humanity ?
I would say together
If I remember correctly the first connection with a password is a
registration.
Le 27 sept. 2017 07:40, "James Guo via Computer-go" <
computer-go@computer-go.org> a écrit :
> Try to do some test on cgos, but failed to find the page(way) to register
> an account.
>
>
They are 80 games of different version of alphago and 3 of alphago
against same version of alphago in supplementary data of
https://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v550/n7676/full/nature24270.html#supplementary-information
Le 18/10/2017 à 20:29, Richard Lorentz a écrit :
> Wow! That's very
nage such situations.
Xavier Combelle
Le 23/10/2017 à 16:35, Robert Jasiek a écrit :
> On 23.10.2017 14:05, Jim O'Flaherty wrote:
>> Couldn't they be useful as part of a set of training data for newly
>> trained
>> engines and networks?
>
> All the millions of games would b
You make me really curious,
what is a Keras model ?
Le 10/11/2017 à 01:47, Petr Baudis a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> I got first *somewhat* positive results in my attempt to reproduce
> AlphaGo Zero - 25% winrate against GNUGo on the easiest reasonable task
> - 7x7 board. :) a.k.a.
>
>
Le 21/11/2017 à 23:27, "Ingo Althöfer" a écrit :
> Hi Erik,
>
>> No need for AlphaGo hardware to find out; any
>> toy problem will suffice to explore different
>> initialization schemes...
> I know that.
>
> My intention with the question is a different one:
> I am thinking how humans are
As far as I know, the state of art in chess is some flavor of alphabeta
(as long as I read stockfish source correctly),
so basically they prove their current esimation is the best one up to a
certain depth.
MCTS has the benefit to enable various depth search depending on how
good the evaluation
less than the one of google.
So, as alphago zero goes approx 1000 elo points on 5 hours (just a
rought mesurement on nature paper graph), one could have 2.8 ELO points
won by day.
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It might make sense to enable resignation threshold even on stupid
level. As such the first thing the network should learn would be not to
resign to early (even before not passing)
Le 02/12/2017 à 18:17, Brian Sheppard via Computer-go a écrit :
>
> I have some hard data now. My network’s initial
Another result is that chess is really drawish, at the opposite of shogi
Le 06/12/2017 à 18:50, Richard Lorentz a écrit :
> One chess result stood out for me, namely, just how much easier it was
> for AlphaZero to win with white (25 wins, 25 draws, 0 losses) rather
> than with black (3 wins, 47
generate a training database, and that part is trivial to distribute.
> Testing if the new version is better than the old version is also very
> easy to distribute.
>
> Álvaro.
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Xavier Combelle
> <xavier.combe...@gmail.com <m
ware. https://xkcd.com/1425/
As far as I understand your task to implement such an expert system
would require the many years of implementations would be thousands of years.
As far as my experience speak the expected reward would be a win of one
or two rank and so definitely not a mid dan amateur level.
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instance?
>
> Best,
> Hideki
>
> Xavier Combelle: <05c04de1-59c4-8fcd-2dd1-094faabf3...@gmail.com>:
>> How is it a fair comparison if there is only 3 days of training for Zero ?
>> Master had longer training no ? Moreover, Zero has bootstrap problem
>> because a
Is there some way to distribute learning of a neural network ?
Le 25/10/2017 à 05:43, Andy a écrit :
> Gian-Carlo, I didn't realize at first that you were planning to create
> a crowd-sourced project. I hope this project can get off the ground
> and running!
>
> I'll look into installing this
Le 24/10/2017 à 22:41, Robert Jasiek a écrit :
> On 24.10.2017 20:19, Xavier Combelle wrote:
>> totally unrelated
>
> No, because a) software must also be evaluated and can by go theory and
What do you want evaluate the software for ? corner cases which never
have happen
rithm as described in this paper.
However, it uses the
same handcrafted features and rollouts as AlphaGo Lee
and training was initialised by
supervised learning from human data."
Of what I understand same network architecture imply the same number of
block
Le 25/10/2017 à 17:58, Xavier Combelle a é
Le 24/10/2017 à 14:35, Robert Jasiek a écrit :
> On 24.10.2017 11:45, David Ongaro wrote:
>> very seldom saw a discussion with Robert lead to anything.
>
> (You seem to only refer to discussion on this mailing list.)
>
> Apart from this being a discussion about one particular person, let me
>
ter-go.org/
"computer-go: Discussion on research and development of software that
plays the game of Go."
Now that is clear, I understand why I always felt your intervention
misplaced (because they were misplaced).
Le 24/10/2017 à 17:00, Robert Jasiek a écrit :
> On 24.10.2017 16:45
How is it a fair comparison if there is only 3 days of training for Zero ?
Master had longer training no ? Moreover, Zero has bootstrap problem
because at the opposite of Master it don't learn from expert games
which means that it is likely to be weaker with little training.
Le 24/10/2017 à
Le 20/10/2017 à 17:24, Robert Jasiek a écrit :
> Why, that is easy: test! Modify ONE weight and study its effect on
> ONE aspect of human go theory, such as the occurrance (frequency) of
> independent life. No effect? Increase the modification, test a
> different weight, test a subset of
You seems to lack of knowing what is really a nano robot in current term.
They are very far to have the possibility to self replicate them self
and far more being able to dissolve the planet by doing that.
What is currently named nanorobot is simply hand assembled molecules
which have mechanical
I present my apologizes to Robert jasiek.
To my knowledge all his behavior on this list was always correct
and my initial and my subsequent mail was inappropriate
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http://computer
ss 40 layers was
> not enough to reach AlphaGo Master level and so they
> doubled the layers.
>
> Hideki
>
> Xavier Combelle: <1550c907-8b96-e4ea-1f5e-2344f394b...@gmail.com>:
>> As I understand the paper they directly created alphago zero with a 40
>> block
>&g
a écrit :
> On 26-10-17 10:55, Xavier Combelle wrote:
>> It is just wild guesses based on reasonable arguments but without
>> evidence.
> David Silver said they used 40 layers for AlphaGo Master. That's more
> evidence than there is for the opposite argument that you are trying
If you can build Go bot about KGS 3/4dan strength I am more than
> willing to admit you are right and would even consider buying
> your books.
>
> Petri
>
> 2017-10-26 6:21 GMT+03:00 Robert Jasiek <jas...@snafu.de
> <mailto:jas...@snafu.de&g
t; the Elo.
>
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017, 23:35 Xavier Combelle <xavier.combe...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Unless I mistake figure 3 shows the plot of supervised learning to
>> reinforcement learning, not 20 bloc/40 block
>>
>> For searching mention of the 20 bl
ch element makes you say that
>> section 2 and 3 are all for a 20 block instance
>>
>>
>> Le 27/10/2017 E01:49, Hideki Kato a écrit :
>>> The 40 block version (2nd instance) first appeared in
>>> Section 4 in the paper. Section 2 and 3 are all for the 1st
&g
You are totally right it is not the same curves. according to the reddit
post.
So I was totally wrong
> On 27-10-17 10:15, Xavier Combelle wrote:
>> Maybe I'm wrong but both curves for alphago zero looks pretty similar
>> except than the figure 3 is the zoom in of figure 6
&
Tygem files are not sgf but gib:here dome convertor
https://senseis.xmp.net/?GIB
Le 23 janv. 2018 06:21, "Ray Tayek" a écrit :
> is anyone collecting the sgf file for these games?
>
> i get the stuff below when i try to download.
>
> thanks
>
>
> C:\Users\ray\Downloads>od -c
Where is leela chess. How many games it is trained on?
Le 2 mars 2018 18:20, "Dan" a écrit :
> Hello Aja,
>
> Could you enlighten me on how AlphaZero handles tactics in chess ?
>
> It seems the mcts approach as described in the paper does not perform well
> enough.
>
>
looks you made it work on a 7x7 19x19 would probably give better result
especially against yourself if you are a complete novice
for not cheating against gnugo, use --play-out-aftermath of gnugo parameter
If I don't mistake a competitive ai would need a lot more training such
what does leela
80 matches
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