Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

On 09.01.2017 23:03, David Ongaro wrote: > decisions are normally made subconsciously seconds before we get > aware of them Essentially nothing is known how to interpret such neurological findings. It is (usually) not like the universe was forcing me unexpected subconscious thinking into my

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

> On Jan 9, 2017, at 6:51 AM, Robert Jasiek wrote: > > On 09.01.2017 07:19, David Ongaro wrote: > >> accurate positional judgement >> you also rely on “feelings” otherwise you wouldn’t be able to survive. > > In my go decision-making, feelings / subconscious thinking (other

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

On 09.01.2017 07:19, David Ongaro wrote: >> accurate positional judgement you also rely on “feelings” otherwise you wouldn’t be able to survive. In my go decision-making, feelings / subconscious thinking (other than usage of prior sample knowledge, such as status knowledge for particular

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

David, that's a fantastic and succinct summarization. Tysvm! On Jan 9, 2017 12:19 AM, "David Ongaro" wrote: > On Jan 5, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Robert Jasiek wrote: > > > On 06.01.2017 03:36, David Ongaro wrote: > > Two amateur players where analyzing a

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

On Jan 5, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Robert Jasiek wrote: > > On 06.01.2017 03:36, David Ongaro wrote: >> Two amateur players where analyzing a Game and a professional player >> happened to come by. >> So they asked him how he would assess the position. After a quick look he >> said

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } During its training, AlphaGo played many handicap games against a previous version of itself, so the team and the program are

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

On 06.01.2017 03:36, David Ongaro wrote: Two amateur players where analyzing a Game and a professional player happened to come by. So they asked him how he would assess the position. After a quick look he said “White is > leading by two points”. The two players where wondering: “You can count

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

That was a quite elegant way to present the idea. Ty for sharing. On Jan 5, 2017 8:36 PM, "David Ongaro" wrote: > This discussion reminds me of an incident which happened at the EGC in > Tuchola 2004 (maybe someone can find a source for this). I don’t remember > all

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

> On Jan 5, 2017, at 2:37 AM, Detlef Schmicker wrote: > > Hi, > > what makes you think the opening theory with reverse komi would be the > same as with standard komi? > > I would be afraid to invest an enormous amount of time just to learn, > that you have to open differently

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

Thanks, Horace, On 2017-01-05 at 04:07, Horace Ho wrote: > The players and the results (in Chinese): > > [..] passing this on :-) Greetings, Tom ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

> > > what makes you think the opening theory with reverse komi would be the > same as with standard komi? > > The value network only needs to know a given position of the board and a piece of information who plays next, whether it is a green player or a red player. Then it tells you a winning

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

Hi, what makes you think the opening theory with reverse komi would be the same as with standard komi? I would be afraid to invest an enormous amount of time just to learn, that you have to open differently in reverse komi games :) Detlef Am 05.01.2017 um 10:50 schrieb Paweł Morawiecki: >

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

2017-01-04 21:07 GMT+01:00 David Ongaro : > > [...]So my question is: is it possible to have reverse Komi games by > feeding the value network with reverse colors? > In the paper from Nature (subsection "Features for policy/value network"), authors state: *the stone

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

The players and the results (in Chinese): 第01局：Magist(P)执白 v. 满汉(P)（棋手真名不详），白中盘胜 第02局：Magist(P)执白 v. 燕归来(P)（棋手真名不详），白中盘胜 第03局：圣人(P)（棋手真名不详）执白 v. Magist(P)，黑中盘胜 第04局：Magist(P)执白 v. 卧虎(P)（谢尔豪 ），白中盘胜 第05局：无痕(P)（於之莹）执白 v. Magist(P)，黑中盘胜 第06局：翱翔(P)（李翔宇）执白 v. Magist(P)，黑中盘胜 第07局：重逢时(P)（棋手真名不详）执白 v.

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

On 2017-01-04 at 21:41, Richard Lorentz wrote: > Having fallen a bit out of the loop can somebody please update me (us?) a > little on these 60 games. How strong were the opponents? Are some/most/all > actually pros? What was the time control? What is the Foxwq

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

Having fallen a bit out of the loop can somebody please update me (us?) a little on these 60 games. How strong were the opponents? Are some/most/all actually pros? What was the time control? What is the Foxwq server? Thank you very much! -Richard On 01/04/2017 12:07 PM, David Ongaro wrote:

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

After this unbelievable streak of 60 won games (even though we still have to see how it holds up with longer time control) it’s not completely unthinkable anymore to play top pros with a handicap. Sadly because the Komi is fixed for the value network it seems the next bigger handicap is 2

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

Hello guys, what shall I say. > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 04. Januar 2017 um 16:11 Uhr > Von: Janzert > ... > On 1/2/2017 7:05 AM, "Ingo Althöfer" wrote: > > Hello Paweł, ... > Looks like we have an official answer in the affirmative >

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

Tysvm for posting that! I had predicted it was AlphaGo from the beginning. If there is a competitor emerging, I think we would have seen some sort of publicity around it, if not just to provoke a response with the AlphaGo team. On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Janzert

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

On 1/2/2017 7:05 AM, "Ingo Althöfer" wrote: Hello Paweł, There have been another 8 games on Foxwq server: ... Totally, 38-0. It looks like a kind, indirect (yet powerful), message from DeepMind to Chinese Go Association: "Please, let us try a real challenge, like 3-handicap games, it does not

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

Hello Yamato, > ... This comment was about GoBeta last April. > > If "Master" (or something) is AlphaGo, he should have a strong reason > not to use the name AlphaGo. So probably Aja cannot answer this, because > he does not lie. > > By the way, I found this tweet interesting :) >

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

Hello, On 2017/01/02 21:47, Lukas van de Wiel wrote: > From the thread we already read Aja's enlightenment: > > /u/emdio pointed out: > From a previous time in which a bot was suspicious to be AlphaGo: > "I can confirm it's not AlphaGo or a weaker version of AlphaGo. We > haven't decided to play

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

Ingo, > So, do you want to say that "Master" might be AlphaGo? > From the disucssion I thought that "Master" was a chinese bot. > > I'd put all my money it's AlphaGo. They were certified by Korean Baduk Association, hence a Korean flag when playing on Tygem. My personal belief is that these

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

Hi all: From the thread we already read Aja's enlightenment: /u/emdio pointed out: From a previous time in which a bot was suspicious to be AlphaGo: "I can confirm it's not AlphaGo or a weaker version of AlphaGo. We haven't decided to play AlphaGo online yet, but when the decision is made we

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

Hello Paweł, > There have been another 8 games on Foxwq server:  > ... > Totally, 38-0. It looks like a kind, indirect (yet powerful), message > from DeepMind to Chinese Go Association: "Please, let us try a real > challenge, like 3-handicap games, it does not really make much sense > to play

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

> > Hi, > > The grey box shows the list of 30 games played by > the "Master bot. All these games were won by the bot! > > There have been another 8 games on Foxwq server: Game 31: black2012 = Li Qincheng Game 32: 星宿老仙 = Gu Li Game 33: 星宿老仙 = Gu Li Game 34: 我想静静了 = Dang Yifei Game 35: 若水云寒 =

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

Hello, here is a link to the German Computer Go forum: http://www.dgob.de/yabbse/index.php?topic=6381.msg208264#msg208264 The grey box shows the list of 30 games played by the "Master bot. All these games were won by the bot! Ingo. ___ Computer-go