Re: [CGUYS] The disappearance of bees...

2007-04-23 Thread Paul Meyer
Actually, the Wikipedia article specifically says that there was never an international ban per se and that DDT has always been available for mosquito control in the developing world. It was withdrawn voluntarily in many places because mosquitoes developed Can you guess? resistance and hence loss

Re: [CGUYS] The disappearance of bees...

2007-04-21 Thread Tom Piwowar
DDT isn't banned any more, at least for anti-mosquito efforts. You can buy insect repellant now that has DDT in it. Isn't that DEET in the insect repellant? As a suspected carcinogen DDT would not be a good thing to smear on one's body. DDT is banned in N America and mostly banned

Re: [CGUYS] The disappearance of bees...

2007-04-21 Thread John DeCarlo
Oops, my mistake. On 4/21/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DDT isn't banned any more, at least for anti-mosquito efforts. You can buy insect repellant now that has DDT in it. Isn't that DEET in the insect repellant? As a suspected carcinogen DDT would not be a good thing to smear on

Re: [CGUYS] The disappearance of bees...

2007-04-21 Thread Steve Rigby
On Apr 19, 2007, at 11:35 AM, John H. Davis wrote: I would look to polution, and invasive species long before I would suspect Cell phones. I agree with this. However, it could be that microwave telecom signals, be that from cell phones, public safety and commercial radio and telemetry

Re: [CGUYS] The disappearance of bees...

2007-04-20 Thread Steve Rigby
On Apr 19, 2007, at 1:58 PM, Terry Kilburg wrote: I live on a farm in Iowa, we have 8 bald eagles fly and perch in trees in our pasture every year! The Mississippi river just in Iowa sees over 100 every year!!! But, back in the day there would have been thousands. They are making a

Re: [CGUYS] The disappearance of bees...

2007-04-20 Thread mike
Good thing they banned DDT too, gives us a chance to spread malaria even faster in Africa. Mike On 4/20/07, Steve Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 19, 2007, at 1:58 PM, Terry Kilburg wrote: I live on a farm in Iowa, we have 8 bald eagles fly and perch in trees in our pasture every

Re: [CGUYS] The disappearance of bees...

2007-04-20 Thread John DeCarlo
DDT isn't banned any more, at least for anti-mosquito efforts. You can buy insect repellant now that has DDT in it. I don't know whether this is because of risk-benefit, or whether further scientific advancement has shown that DDT wasn't really the problem. On 4/20/07, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [CGUYS] The disappearance of bees...

2007-04-19 Thread Roger D. Parish
At 11:00 PM -0400 4/18/07, b_s-wilk wrote: ... Birds are missing too. Fewer warblers, towhees, buntings, kestrels, meadowlarks, quail, pheasants... Loss of habitat. Meadows and fields replaced by lawns. Speaking of lawns, people used to go to Arizona to avoid allergies; now there is no

Re: [CGUYS] The disappearance of bees...

2007-04-19 Thread Brian Jones
people used to go to Arizona to avoid allergies; They have since discovered that the desert plants produce excessive pollen that agrivates allergies. There is less mold in Arizona. We nearly lost 100's of species of birds before DDT was pulled from the pesticide market, including the bald

Re: [CGUYS] The disappearance of bees...

2007-04-19 Thread Brian Jones
Colony Collapse Disorder and Pollinator Decline Statement of May R. Berenbaum Professor and Head, Department of Entomology University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign and Chair, Committee on the Status of Pollinators in North America Board on Life Sciences and Board on Agriculture and Natural

Re: [CGUYS] The disappearance of bees...

2007-04-19 Thread John H. Davis
FWIW, my next farm neighbor in WV has been keeping bees his whole long life.For over 17 years that I know of, his bee husbandry has been beset (NPI) with a variety of problems. Loss of habitat, changes in agriculture, climate changes that affect the blooming of trees, Africanized honey

Re: [CGUYS] The disappearance of bees...

2007-04-19 Thread Terry Kilburg
Maybe the birds are eating the bees and not chewing properly and getting stung to death! More precise bird-hunting activity because they can't learn where to go to the bathroom!! I live on a farm in Iowa, we have 8 bald eagles fly and perch in trees in our pasture every year! The Mississippi

Re: [CGUYS] The disappearance of bees...

2007-04-19 Thread Steve Rigby
On Apr 18, 2007, at 8:13 PM, John Settle wrote: This is a repost with appropriate subject line. Well, how about the below. No cell phones involved but sounds more probable. Whatever the reason(s), in the final analysis, I firmly believe that it will be determined that human behavior is

Re: [CGUYS] The disappearance of bees...

2007-04-18 Thread Constance Warner
: breakfast, corn-meal mush. Lunch, more corn bread. . . . -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony B Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:54 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS

Re: [CGUYS] The disappearance of bees...

2007-04-18 Thread Brian Jones
Surely we can reserve part of the spectrum for bees! By the way, where did this theory start? - Brian - Original Message - From: Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] We can live without cell phones, but not bees. I vote we shut off cell phones immediately, and limit wireless networks to low

Re: [CGUYS] The disappearance of bees...

2007-04-18 Thread Steve Rigby
On Apr 18, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Tony B wrote: We can live without cell phones, but not bees. I vote we shut off cell phones immediately, and limit wireless networks to low power. Who knows at this point how any of this will eventually shake out, but one can guess based upon prior

Re: [CGUYS] The disappearance of bees...

2007-04-18 Thread Steve Rigby
On Apr 18, 2007, at 2:23 PM, Constance Warner wrote: Guess it boils down to: would you rather talk on your cellphone, or eat? Having knocked off most of the native pollinators with pesticides, we're dependent on bees to pollinate most crops that aren't wind-pollinated. The disappearance of

Re: [CGUYS] The disappearance of bees...

2007-04-18 Thread Steve Rigby
On Apr 18, 2007, at 3:12 PM, Brian Jones wrote: Surely we can reserve part of the spectrum for bees! By the way, where did this theory start? I do not know where the theory started, except to say that, as in humans, part of the bee works electronically, tiny electrical impulses sending