[CTRL] Global Elite Promoting End Times Myth
-Caveat Lector- http://www.americanfreepress.net/End_of_Times/Promoting__End_Times__Myth/promoting__end_times__myth.html Global Elite Promoting End Times Myth Television gurus preaching a fraudulent end times and last days theory popularized in the 19th century are helping lay the groundwork for world government by corralling good Christians into supporting a doctrine that has no Biblical basis. True Christian fundamentalism, based on the teachings of the Bible takes the Bible at its word and accepts that Christ accomplished all that he intended to do while on Earth and that His kingdom is here and is within you. Thats the powerful thesis put forth by John Anderson, producer of the video The Last Days. On Dec. 16, Anderson made a return appearance on Radio Free America (RFA), the weekly call-in talk forum sponsored by American Free Press with host Tom Valentine. (A transcript of Andersons first appearance on RFA was published in AFPs issue No. 19.) What follows is an edited transcript of the interview. Comments by Valentine are in boldface. Andersons responses are in regular text. The person responsible for popularizing this clap-trap that the end times and last days are coming was a shady character named Cyrus I. Scofield. Thats true, but Scofield was not the originator. Scofield got these false teachings from John Darby, who got it from Edward Irving and Margaret McDonald, a 14-year-old girl who had a dream and began writing letters to Irving describing what she thought was going to happen. Darby was one of the Plymouth Brethren and when Scofield got hold of what Darby and others were teaching, he produced the Scofield Bible in 1909 and there have been many revisions of it since then. Although they never say who revised Scofields work. Researchers have said that it was a powerful New York attorney, Samuel Untermyer, who was instrumental in arranging for the Oxford Press, which was controlled by the Rothschild banking family, patrons of the Zionist movement, to publish the Scofield bible. Students of history recall that Untermyer, who was a major player in the Zionist movement, was the one who blackmailed President Woodrow Wilson with the love letters that Wilson sent to his mistress, a certain Mrs. Peck. The history of this sordid affair was described in The Barnes Review* in its March/April 2000 issue. In its January/ February 2001 issue, The Barnes Review described Untermyers famous holy war speech that helped launch World War II. So many people today believe that the words of Scofield are the words of the scripture. I tell people that if youve got a Scofield bible, then throw it away. Most people who call themselves Christians do not study and read Gods word for themselves or they allow their thinking to be influenced what they have been told based on the teachings of Scofield. If you look at the Tim LaHaye series, Left Behind, he and his associate have each made some $10 million on this, playing on the fear and unknowing faith of the Christian public. Doom and gloom sells, but truth does not. Thanks to the influence of Scofield and his sponsors, Untermyer and the Rothschild family, many Christians today believe that God promised a certain tract of land in the Middle East to the people we know today as Israelis. You are referring to the promise that God made to Abraham. God keeps his word and he certainly did. In Joshua 21, verses 43-45, it says that the Lord God gave unto Israel all the land. So God did fulfill the promise that he made to Abraham. But was the promise of this land to those known as the Hebrews a promise that this would be their land forever? No, it was not. First of all, the old covenant between God and the Hebrews was conditional. Although God kept his word, there was nothing in that promise that it would be that way forever. The old covenant was conditional. The key word is if. That is, if the Hebrews kept their part in their covenant with God. But all throughout scripture the prophets continue to predict that the Hebrews will break that covenant by disobeying God and that, eventually, they will lose it all. And eventually, they did lose it all. This is what is important: it was never solely an ethnic issue as to who Israel was. The issue always had to do with those who had faith and believed in God. For example, the United States is often referred to as a Christian nation. That does not mean that everyone in the United States is a Christian. But those who follow Christ by faith and by faith alone are of that spiritual seed. In Numbers 9:14, if strangers came in and kept the ordinances and the males were circumcised, they were accepted as a part of Israel. So it was not that this exclusive, nationalistic issue that many people try to hang onto. Spiritual Israel was always the issue. God said that Israel as a racial entity was going to be the one that the prophecies were made to and the messiah was going to come through. God divorced Israel but he did not
[CTRL] The Marriage of Dynasties
-Caveat Lector- http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=939 The Marriage of Dynasties Sunday July 20, 2003 It is already being called the wedding of the decade but it is more than just a marriage. It also marks the union of two of the worlds most powerful financial dynasties: the Rothschilds and the Goldsmiths. Invitations went out last week to more than 600 family and friends for the marriage of Kate Rothschild and Ben Goldsmith. Kate is the daughter of Amchel Rothschild, who was found dead in a Parisian hotel after apparently committing suicide in 1996. While Ben Goldsmith is son of the late Sir James Goldsmith, whose fortune was reckoned to be over a billion pounds at the time of his death in 1997. Admittedly Kate Rothschild and Ben Goldsmith may be perfectly decent people. But the fact remains a marriage between the two cements ties between families that many see as powerful forces behind the New World Order. Like the Rothschilds, the Goldsmith dynasty has its roots in the Jewish ghettos of 18th-century Frankfurt. Distantly related, they have subsequently become major players in the worlds of finance and politics. Among those understood to have been invited to the wedding is Tom Parker Bowles, son of Camilla, consort to Prince Charles. While it is rumoured that Camilla herself may turn up, along with Prince Charles. The marriage has been schedualed to take place in September in Bury St Edmunds. With the reception taking place afterwards at the home of Kate's mother, the heiress Anita Guiness. Despite being a glittering social prospect it is as well to look beyond obvious with two such families. Ben Goldsmiths older brother and uncle, Zac and Edward Goldsmith, are behind the Ecologist, a magazine which deals with environmental issues. But they have also been rumoured to have links with Mesoamerican narco-terror groups, while Zac Goldsmith has been said to have links to anarchist groups in London. It has in fact become a hallmark of the Goldsmith dynasty that they are often not what they appear to be. Nonetheless, we extend our best wishes to the engaged couple. For further perspective see: The Ecologist: A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=173 The House of Rothschild www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=840 www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Need Backup
-Caveat Lector- [ Perhaps it just isn't healthy to say bad things about big time politicians. ] No, it's not healthy...unless you make them understand that for each one of the good guys they take out, fifteen (15) or more of them will meet the same fate. And forget about 15 peons low on the totem...I'm talking 15 "dons", "honchos", "chiefs", or whatever name they go by. Until that happens, the bad guys will continue picking the good guys off one at a time. /s/ Nick Landholt - Original Message - From: Prudy L To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] WMD Scientist's Death Rocks British Government -Caveat Lector- This is the most interesting suicide since that guy who wrote "Fortunate Son." He was so dispondent over his book contract and the fact that he was being published and things finally going right, that he just lost it and did himself in. Perhaps it just isn't healthy to say bad things about big time politicians. prudy www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth
Title: Message -Caveat Lector- The wicky wacky world of these conspiracy researchers deserves attention. We start out with someone who said they will write for American Free Press which is a Carto deal. We then move to Carto describing the IHS people. As a side note it's interesting to note that the money came from an Edison heir, the same Edison who was involved with the Theosophists. And gosh Shannon, haven't you heard of the bible book called Revelations which plays a large role in end-time scenarios? The little article you posted shows so many parallels with New Age thinking it's a shame that Alice Bailey didn't get credit for some of the theories. Thanks Shannon for bringing forth information about the Libertarian Socialist network, the Nazi Overthrow website, etc. We all need to see the what's in the cesspool under your feet. ONE: http://homepage.mac.com/lsf/others/020116billwhite.html What others have said about Willis Carto http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?fileName=lsn20020116184925.html I Sign Deal With Willis Carto Will Write For American Free Press 1/16/2002 6:49:25 PM Bill White Washington, DC -- I met Willis Carto today. Nice guy, a little wacky, but mostly pretty intelligent and pleasant. Definitely has a Hitler thing, but I can overlook that. Talked to him for just over two hours, and we reached a deal where I will begin writing 750-word pieces for his latest publication, The American Free Press (http://www.americanfreepress.net). It was actually a bit of a funny scene today -- when I first showed up at the door they wouldn't answer it because they thought anyone as well dressed as I who wanted to talk to them must be a process server. Eventually I did get in though. It was also a bit surreal. I have never been in a room where some guy comes and goes "Hey Willis: I just got off the phone with David Duke and he says hi from Germany."... There may be some who wonder if my acceptance of this deal represents a great ideological change, but it doesn't. I will be choosing by own topics for writing, and the bottom line is that he offered me pretty good money to write 'em, given how short they are The conversation with Carto was interesting. I won't go into too much personal detail, but I learned all sorts of neat things like the Institute for Historical Review -- the nation's largest Holocaust denial/debunkal whatever you want to call it organization -- is now owned by the Church of Scientology. At one point, Carto whipped this cover off of this huge stack of paper -- like as tall and as thick as a filing cabinet, stacked on the floor, and went "That's my file on the Scientologists. They are evil people." As another funny aside, I mentioned I had read a lot about him in the SPLC's Intelligence Report, and his only answer was "what's that?". Hehe P.S. Bill White has written us to add: Willis Carto did tell me that he has no official relationship with the American Free Press, and is only in their offices as an unpaid consultant and a resource. But of course he did. He used to say the same thing about his relationship with LSF/IHR -- until we found out that he had diverted in excess of $7.5 million dollars from the corporation for his own purposes. If I were at American Free Press, I'd be worried about what "volunteer" Carto was doing with the money, to say the least. Main menu | News | Litigation | Bankruptcies | Spotlight | Other views | Directory - TWO: NEW ITEM : Read our TBR newsletter at TBRnews.org The Mystery of the Edison Millions When the grand niece of famous American inventor Thomas Alva Edison, Jean Farrel, died in Lausanne, Switzerland in 1985, her death began one of the most bizarre chain of events in Swiss and American legal history. Ms Farrel had been a strong supporter of Willis Carto, publisher of the Populist Spotlight, a Washington-based weekly paper that had become increasingly unpopular in certain circles because of its outspoken and often acerbic articles on current political and economic subjects. Mr. Carto was also the treasurer of the Legion for the Survival of Freedom, founded in 1952 as a non-profit Texas-based corporation. In 1980, The Legion created the Institute for Historical Review, an historical revisionist entity that published a reputable journal, gave academic seminars and owned a large historical book sales company called the Noontide Press. The IHR Journal contained articles of considerable historical interest by reputable historians and academics and had a respectable
[CTRL] Trotsky Wall St. (excerpt from 'Treason')
-Caveat Lector- Excerpt from Treason--The New World Order (Gurudas, 1996) From Chapter VII: Early Signs of Treason, pp. 79-81 There are numerous incidents in the 20th century that show how dangerous the bankers and corporate elite are. Carroll Quigley described how international financiers worked behind the scenes in many conflicts influencing governments and making deals. The Laurence Boothe Papers at the Hoover Institution document how, in return for cconomic concessions, Wall Street assisted the 1912 rebellion of Sun Yat-sen in China. The corporate elite have fomented many rebellions and wars. To the ruling elite war is just another means to increase power and profits. During and after World War I numerous bankers, corporate leaders, and government officials provided assistance and millions of dollars to place the communists, and later Hitler and Mussolini, into power. Some apologists have claimed that money was only given to the communists to keep Russia in the war against Germany during the first world war, but the evidence clearly refutes this view. These financiers also supported the anti-communists, like Admiral Kolchak in Siberia. It was imporant to support both sides to insure future profits. Some of the financiers supporting the communists, like Thomas Lamont head of the Morgan banking group, also supported the fascists. While various authorities such as Gary Allen have discussed this interaction, Antony Sutton from the Hoover Institution at Stanford University has provided the most irrefutable and detailed evidence of this alliance in several books, espe- cially in Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler and Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, using U.S. State Department documents, congressional reports, released archives such as from the Nuremberg trials, and newspaper reports. Sutton spoke before the Republican platform committee in 1972, but his news conference was cancelled, and when he returned to the Hoover Institute he was ordered to not make any public statements and his contract with he Hoover Institute was not renewed. The Rockefeller-controlled Chase Bank (later Chase Manhatan Bank) helped finance the Bolsheviks as did Lord Milner, head of the London Round Table, a Member of he British cabinet, and director of a London bank. The Washington Post, on February 2, 1918, said William B. Thompson, a director of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, gave the Bolsheviks one million dollars to spread their doctrine. On Ocmber 17, 1918 William L. Saunders, deputy chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, wrote to President Wilson I am in sympamy with the Soviet form of government as that best suited for the Russian people John Reed, a communist, worked for the Metropolitan magazine which was con- trolled by Morgan. Jacob Schiff, head of the New York bank Kuhn, Loeb Company, heavily financed President Wilson's 1912 election. On February 3. 1949 the New York Journal-American said: Today it is estimated, even by Jacob's grandson, John Schiff, a prominent member of New York society, that the old man sank about $20 million for the final triumph of Bolshevism in Russia. Oher New York banking firms also contributed. Jacob Schiff helped found the Council on Foreign Relations. Much of this nefarious activity took place from 120 Broadway in New York City. A few of the parties based at this address included: the New York Federal Reserve, GE, Guaranty Trust Co., Franklin Roosevelt, and the first Soviet ambassador to the U.S. The first Soviet bank was controlled by Morgan with its Guaranty Trust Company the U.S. agent. American International Corpolation, founded in 1915 by Morgan interests and located at 120 Broadway, played a key role in supporting the Bolshevik revolution, and later some of its directors such as Arthur Lehman and Pierre ths Pont supported Roosevelt. On March 24, 1917 the New York Twas revealed that Schiff had financed the Distribution of revolutionary literature to 50,000 Russian military prisoners cap- Tured during the Russian-Japanese war. The Times article quoted a later telegram from Schiff in which he said: Trotsky was what we had hoped and striven for these long years. In January, 1916 Schiff arranged to bring Trotsky to the U.S. Trotsky entered the U.S. without a passport and was then given a U.S. passport to get back to Russia.[1] There was an international warrant for his arrest, and when he was detained in Canada, U.S.authorities got him released. In the June, 1919 issue of MacLeans, J.B.MacLean said Trotsky was released at the request of the British Embassy at Washington...and that the Embassy acted on the request of the U.S. State Department, who was acting for someone else.[2] In The Road to Safety. Arthur Willert, Washington correspondent for the London Times, said Colonel House, chief aide to President Wilson, told him President Wilson wanted Trotsky released. He conveyed this request to the
[CTRL] Egg On My Face
-Caveat Lector- I have been exchanging email with a guy who really likes Bush and believes the weapons of mass destruction will be found just any time now. (Who knowsperhaps some will). Anyway, Mark said that if the weapons are found, then I will have a lot of egg on my face. This is my response to him and I hope you will find it worthwhile. Nakano --- Mark, About the egg on the face no problem. Believe it or not, I often hope I am wrong and this is one of those times. There is no satisfaction in being right about serious things which are harmful to our country. So if I'm wrong about these things, I'll gladly take egg on my face. Over the last 30 years, I have investigated many things. Often I have found dark disturbing information which I did not want to believe and I accepted it only when the supporting evidence was too much to deny. The focus of the moment is this question of weapons President Bush said Iraq had and which haven't been found and whether we were misled into war. It's an important question, but regardless of what is found, or not found, regardless of how this turns outthis is just one small part of something much larger and far more important to the future of our country and the world. For me, there are too many troubling unanswered questions about the attacks of 9-11 and the war on terror. There are too many troubling questions about many of the ways our government has (and hasn't) responded since those attacks. There are too many disturbing signs that what is really taking place right now is the destruction of our Constitution nd the creation of what George Bush Sr. openly called a new world order. My allegiance is to one nation...the United States of America, and not to any World Government or international authority. I believe in the principle of national Sovereignty. What does national Sovereignty mean? It means the international independence of a state, combined with the right and power of regulating its internal affairs without foreign dictation. It means a state's lawful control over its territory and the authority to govern within that territory. (Def. Black's Law) I agree with the United State's Declaration of Independence - That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. I hope that you agree with this, and I think you do. Perhaps you just haven't thought it through. What we are seeing now is the erosion and destruction of the principle of the Sovereignty of Nations. You think not? What other conclusion is there when you see an International Authority dictating its will on countries and imposing it's rules upon them? What other conclusion is there when a U.S. President tells the leader of another country that he has 48 hours to get out of his own country? This same President has told two other Sovereign Countries that he will not tolerate them developing certain weapons, when their enemies and many other countries already possess these weapons. By what authority does George Bush issue these ultimatums? He has no such authority except the ancient principle that might makes right. Bush is saying: We have the military power to dictate these terms and we are gonna do it. To hell with the Sovereignty of these countries. Bush's Dad did exactly the same thing when he sent the U.S. military to invade Panama and capture Manuel Noriega. They brought Noriega back to the U.S. and put him on trial in an American courtroom. By what authority did he do this? Under what law? MIGHT MAKES RIGHT. No other authority than that. It was totally unlawful. Imagine how the American People would react (or at least should react)if another country sent an armed force into the U.S., killed 5,000 or so Americans, captured our President took him back to their country and put him on trial and then put him in prison! Would we feel that our National Sovereignty had been violated? It's had to imagine a more flagrant violation. And so for the past 10 years there has been this precedent where an International authority (the U.N.) had told a Sovereign Country that it is forbidden to fly aircraft in the skies over it's own territory. (no fly zones) There have been numerous UN peacekeeping missions in which International military forces have invaded Sovereign Countries. Each time the U.S. provides most of the military force. And you may say yes, but the cause was just we did it to save lives and end tyranny etc. But the overall effect of all these violations of Sovereignty has been to establish the principle that international authority supercedes and takes precedence over the Sovereignty of Nations. The Sovereignty of ANY NATION ..INCLUDING OURS! Think not? Then why have two U.S. Presidents (both named Bush) sought the approval of the United Nations to go to war and violated the Constitutional Requirement to obtain a
[CTRL] W. R. Plumme on Rothschilds the world bankers
-Caveat Lector- (apologies for typos -- bad scanning) excerpt from The Untold History by William R. Plumme pp. 113-119 The purpose of Weishaupt 's Illuminati was to undermine the formantions of Western Civilizatios (i.e., belief in God and HIS Moral Law), and to prepare the way, first, for capitalism, and then, for socialism and communism. These concents did not originate with Weishaupt but, rather, date back to the Gnostics of Early Christian times, the Manicheanistic Catharists (Albigensians, Patarenes, etc.) of southern France and northern Italy, and to the Humanists of the late Middle Ages. These concepts, no doubt, were part of the program of the earlier French Illumines of the Seventeenth and Eighteenth Centuries as well as of the Alumbrados of Spain, the last being formded during the revolution of the Partisans of the Comuneros (the Toledan movement) of 1519. These two incidents might he considered a preview of the French Revolution of 1792, except that the latter was largely led by Ger- man and French Illuminists who had gain- ed control of the French Assembly clue to the machinations, or inept handling, of Louis XVI's minister of Finance, Jacques Necker, who also had served as a member of the directorate of the French East India Company. The purpose of the forgery (i.e., the so called Protocols of the Elders of Zion), undoubtedly, was to gain control of the Jewish wing of the Socialist movement, the ultimate objective being to gain control of the oil of Russia, Palestine, and the rest of the Middle East. It served, on the one hand, the pur- pose of intimidating the knowledgeable Jewry who might otherwise have resisted the conspiracy successfully; it served, on the other hand, the purpose of arous- ing flie fear and hatred of the rest of Jewry toward their persecutors who, to them, appeared to be solely the Tsar- ist regime, thus consing those having a Socialist bent to give themselves more uncompromisingly to the socialist cause, while impressing upon those having the Zionist bent the imperative necessity for a National Home in Palestine. At the some time the document has served to create among non-Jews, who were conscious of the conspiracy which was taking place, an impression that the conspiracy was inspired by persons of the Jewish faith, and thus, at once, diverting the attention of those who could perceive that a conspiracy was afoot from the real conspirators, and thus transform them into the ready tools of the real conspirators for continuing the intimidation and the holding of Jewry in line with its Satanical plans. The practice of this deception on the part of the Luciferians, i.e., that of laying the blame for nefarious acts originating with themselves upon Jewry appears to go back to the very beginnings of the Gnostic-Illuminis- tin establishment. During the Middle Ages, Jewish bankers were employed as the middle men between the big Bankers, who posed as Christians, and the small fry borrowers. Naturally, the risk was great. and the interest proportionately high. Whenever the Jewish middle man, whose modern equivalent, would be the finance company, began to accumulate a fair sized reserve, the state or the mob moved in and looted him of everything he posessed. But when the introduction of the lateen sail made ocean commerce practical and thereby decreased the importance of the overland routes between the Mediterranean and North seas, and the banking-commercial interests were prepar- ing to make the necessary arrangements, the Savoyard kings of France and England Philip the Fair and Edward I expelled the Jews from from their country. The mothers of these two kings were sisters. the daughters of Raymond Berenguer of Provence; their mother, the daughter of the Count of Savoy; and her uncle, a leader of the Albi- gensians. Many of the advisors of these two kings were the descendants of Catharists who had recanted. Signiicantly, both kings came into collision with the Church. Under Philip the Fair began the Avignon cap- tivity and the Great Schism which followed. Philip also liquidated the Knignts Templars who acted as bankers for the Church, confisca- ting their property and burning many of them at the stake. Among those who were thus treat- ed, was Jacques deMolay, the last Grand Master of the Order. Philip's minister, Pierre Dukis, a descend- ant of the Albigensians, called for the forma- tion of a European league to enforce peace under the leadership of the French king. Under the Dubois plan, disputes were to be settled by judicial methods, i.e., the Byzan- tine Code. At the same time, in order to break down the Champagne fairs, in preparation for the transfer of the center of international com- merce to the Channel port of Bruges, Philip began to debase the coinage and constantly to vary its value. It was during this period that the property of the Jews was confiscated and they, them- selves, expelled from France. Again, when in the course of the fourteenth century, the
Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth
Title: Message -Caveat Lector- I know Shannon will say he doesn't necessarily endorse the anonymous article (it's not quite the same as an unsigned editorial) and point to "caveat lector" which precedes all articles posted. It is ironic that the author (whoever that is) tries to use the Bible to prove that which he probably doesn't believe anyway (I don't think Shannon believes the Bible either). Just a reading of the 28th chapter of Matthew will prove the lie to the whole article. In that chapter Jesus talks extensively about his (physical) return (the second coming) and the signs that will presage it. True, he accomplished the purpose of his first advent which was to die on the cross to provide a means for the forgiveness of sins of believers and their eventual entry into the Kingdom of God. In that chapter Jesus also relates how various groups of people will be treated according to what they have or have not done at the "White Throne" judgment, another purpose of his second advent. Many of Shannon's postings reflect the New Age treatment of Christianity as their main enemy. We can only surmise that he feels the same way. JR - Original Message - From: Zuukie To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 11:46 AM Subject: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth -Caveat Lector- The wicky wacky world of these conspiracy researchers deserves attention. We start out with someone who said they will write for American Free Press which is a Carto deal. We then move to Carto describing the IHS people. As a side note it's interesting to note that the money came from an Edison heir, the same Edison who was involved with the Theosophists. And gosh Shannon, haven't you heard of the bible book called Revelations which plays a large role in end-time scenarios? The little article you posted shows so many parallels with New Age thinking it's a shame that Alice Bailey didn't get credit for some of the theories. Thanks Shannon for bringing forth information about the Libertarian Socialist network, the Nazi Overthrow website, etc. We all need to see the what's in the cesspool under your feet. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/20/2003 1:02:53 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Many of Shannon's postings reflect the New Age treatment of Christianity as their main enemy. We can only surmise that he feels the same way. Oh thanks for the laugh today...glad Zuukie has found a playmate for her wacky, "Jewishly" paranoid madness. She was seeming lonely of late. I am not a Xian though by and large I am in agreement with traditional Christian thought on many subjects, not all, but many. Anything that shines a harsh light on the nonsense of dispensationalism is a good thing regardless of its source. The wonderful piece I forwarded from the populist (and indispensible) American Free Press shows clearly the true Christian position regarding the "end times" and Israel and ought to be something anyone calling themselves Christian becomes aware of so that they may break free from the shackles of Zionism forthwith. Between airy-fairy new age claptrap and murderous, racist Zionism the choice is a no-brainer. Bill. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/20/2003 1:02:53 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is ironic that the author (whoever that is) tries to use the Bible to prove that which he probably doesn't believe anyway (I don't think Shannon believes the Bible either). FYI, the article was actually the partial transcript of a radio interview with host Tom Valentine asking questions of John Anderson. Bill. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] America Needs More Men Like Robert A. Taft
http://www.americanfreepress.net/Editorial/Ed_Issue_4_3/ed_issue_4_3.html America Needs More Men Like Robert A. Taft American Free Press pledges on page one to fight For Life and Liberty . . . Against the New World Order. The enemies of the United Statesthey are legioncannot and will not tolerate an America-first attitude on the part of either the government or the people. In other words, these culture destroyers work overtime to extinguish every spark of freedom they can find. What is more, these anti-American assets of the plutocratic establishment working hand-in-hand with their masters are honeycombed throughout the congressional, executive and judicial branches of our government. Now, the United States needs leaders who will stand up for liberty and freedom. While we were checking a date for September on a populist calendar when the name of the late Sen. Robert A. Taft of Ohio (1889-1953) caught our attention. Here was an American of principle and courage who was not afraid to challenge the American globalist Establishmentthe plutocrats and one-worlders of his time. A genuine populist patriot, son of a president who was later a chief justice of the United StatesWilliam Howard TaftBob Taft was a man, who upon arriving in the Senate in January 1939, immediately began to make an impact on Washington and the world. Almost at once he took out after the New Deal policies of Franklin D. Roosevelt, who into his second term had long since abandoned the conservative platform that he had campaigned on in order to defeat the liberal Herbert Hoover in 1932. By the late 1930s, FDR was quickly moving to involve the United States in another European war. FDRs so-called Lend-Lease program for Britain put the United States government in the ironic position of helping a European power already at war while at the same time resuscitating a prostrate American economy. For the first time in years Americas factories were belching smoke. Americans were returning to work. However, little did they realize the high price they would pay in money and blood in the name of democracy. In 1940 Taft sought the GOP nomination for president but was beaten by Wendell Willkie who ran a me-too campaign against FDR. Ever the expedient charmer, FDR promised Americas families that their sons would not fight on foreign soil, a stance that kept him in the White House for an unprecedented third term. As the months rolled on, Taftever concerned about Americas traditional policy of neutralityvoted against loans for Finland but supported increased U.S. naval appropriations to strengthen a weak spot in U.S. defenses. He also voted against U.S. aircraft for foreign countries, in favor of increasing U.S. military preparedness, against military conscription and the expansion of the lending authority of the Export-Import Bank. During 1941 Taft voted to restrict U.S. military forces to the Western Hemi sphere, U.S. territories and possessions. And he vehemently denounced Lend-Lease to the Soviet Union, which he totally distrusted. A great believer of equal justice under law, Taft came under severe criticism for opposing the Nuremberg trials. In a speech in Gambier, Ohio, at Kenyon, College on Oct. 5, 1946, he charged that the Nuremberg trials of the German high command were simply ex post factoliterally, after the factproceedings that violate the fundamental principle of American law that a man cannot be tried under an ex post facto statute. Taft said: The trial of the vanquished by the victors cannot be impartial no matter how it is hedged about with the forms of justice. I question whether the hanging of those, who however despicable, were the leaders of the German people, will ever discourage the making of aggressive war, for no one makes aggressive war unless he expects to win. About this whole judgment there is the spirit of vengeance, and vengeance is seldom justice. The establishment roundly scolded Taft for this courageous speech, with internationalist Republicans like New York Gov. Tom Dewey and Sen. Jacob Javits leading the pack. This is the same Tom Dewey who was the GOP standard bearer in 1944 and was soundly defeated by FDR. (That year Taft was reelected to the Senate.) Taft again sought the GOP nomination for president in 1948. Once again the Eastern establishment cabal knocked him out of the contest and Dewey was again the nominee. Dewey lost to Harry Truman, who proceeded to permit the United Nations to send Americans to fight and die in a so-called police action in Korea which has yet to be settled. Taft didnt give up. By 1952 he calculated that he could be the nominee. The people were so fed up with Trumans war that HST decided not to run again. By convention time Taft had the delegates but the establishment had the muscle. Taft delegates were denied credentials and delegates favoring General Dwight Eisenhower were seated in his place. And Ike was nominated. Of his loss to Ike Taft said: First it was the power
[CTRL] Sharon could face police questioning in loan probe
-Caveat Lector- http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_19-7-2003_pg4_10 Sharon could face police questioning in loan probe JERUSALEM: Prime Minister Ariel Sharon could be next in line to face police questioning as part of a probe into a 1.5-million-dollar loan from a South African businessman, Israeli newspapers said Friday. One of Sharons sons was quizzed by fraud squad investigators earlier this week about the loan from Cyril Kern, an old friend of the premier, to cover debts run up during the 1999 elections for the Likud party leadership. Gilad Sharon exercised his right to silence during the 90-minute questioning, the Yediot Aharonot and Haaretz newspapers reported. The Yediot quoted one magistrate as saying, The reason that Gilad Sharon is staying silent is that he has something to hide. Gilads brother Omri, who is now a member of Israels parliament, and the prime minister himself were the next in line to be questioned by the police, the newspaper added. AFP www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Road Map Of Marquis de Sade
-Caveat Lector- http://www.israelshamir.net/english/sad.html The Road Map of Marquis de Sade or Speaking Dirty for Palestine By Israel Shamir (a talk given in Paris on 18 June 2003) The Road Map is not a compromise between Palestinians and Jews, but between Jews and Jews, none of whom lives in the Middle East, namely, between Jewish liberals of New York and Jewish neo-cons of Washington. Both groups are devoted to preservation and prosperity of the Jewish State, but they disagree on strategy: while neo-cons such as Perle would exterminate and evaporate its enemies a la Joshua bin Nun, Tom Friedman and other liberals think the goyim could be safely jailed in security of Gaza strip guarded by NATO soldiers. Now, these two groups reached a compromise for following reasons. The active stage of the American conquest of Iraq is over, but the US army bleeds in Iraq and Afghanistan. Before replacing American soldiers in the conquered lands by French, Indian and other conscripts, in order to free them for the next stage, the assault on Iran, it needs to show the world that the war was not just an ugly imperial enterprise done in the interests of the Zionists. Whence the Road Map was ushered in . The two Jewish schools of the US are wonderful in providing drama. Though the real difference between the twain is tiny, they obscure it by boisterous philippics. Like seasoned shopkeeper bemoans ill luck that forces him to part with a treasured item at a rock-bottom price, and encourages an innocent buyer to enter the deal, the hard-core Zionists bewailed 'the Auschwitz borders' of the Road Map. Some friends of Palestine, mainly the believers in two-states' solution saw the distrait Jews and took the bait. They hastily concluded that the Road Map is good and fair for Palestinians. 'The Zionists are hysterically frightened of this unflinching Texan cowboy', - wrote Jack Graham, the lawyer, 'He will show us the independence of the American mindset! Peace is nigh!' Always ready to jump the gun, Ali Abunimah proclaimed (in a piece called Who's afraid of the Road Map? ) "Israel's supporters are in full panic by even the appearance of minimal fairness and reciprocity contained in the plan'. Alas, nobody was afraid of the Road Map. Abunimah et al repeated the error of the youthful bride of prince de Bauffremont, a notorious sodomite in a delightful if risque story by Marquis de Sade. The Prince was to be married to the chaste and innocent girl, whose mother was well aware of her future son-in-law preferences. - My daughter, she said, reject the first proposition of your husband. Tell him firmly, any other way but that one! (Ma fille, mefiez-vous des premieres propositions que vous fera votre mari, et dites-lui fermement : Non, monsieur, ce n'est point par la qu'une honnete femme se prend, partout ailleurs autant qu'il vous plaira, mais pour la, non certainement...) However, the Prince has decided to kick the anal habit and to approach his young bride in the conventional fashion. He was quite astonished and pleasantly so, when the lady rejected his initial advance and steered him towards the valleys he preferred anyway, tells us the Marquis in the story aptly entitled L'EPOUX COMPLAISANT. Probably the President Bush was equally surprised by the unexpected support of the Road Map coming from supporters of Palestinian cause. They were supposed to reject it out of hand for it was indeed the plan fit for Marquis de Sade. Like the young bride, they were conditioned to approve whatever is disproved by the unwelcome partner, and thus fell into the trap. The two-staters among them are so hell-bent for action like public school boys on their first cross-Channel trip, that they are ripe for any trap. Indeed, the Road Map would be awful if it ever worked, and the conditions imposed by Sharon's government made it pathetic. It was aptly described and justly condemned by our colleagues Jeff Blankfort , Ran HaCohen and Kathleen Christison in Counterpunch, by Edward Said, Uri Avnery and Jennifer Loewenstein and others. The 14 conditions of Israeli government nixed whatever positive element the Road Map may contain. At best, the process would produce a few fenced reservations for natives called 'Palestinian State'. Does this mean that we, the advocates of humanity, should fight the Road Map, as some friends suggest? Well, like Don Quixote, we could of course charge forth and fight windmills. But another risque joke tells of a man in an advanced stage of venereal disease whose physician informs him that his member has to be cut off. In panic and despair, he rushes from one specialist to the next, until the most eminent of them all reassures him that no surgery is needed: his diseased member has already fallen off. In other words, there is no reason to fight this fictitious peace plan, for it will naturally disappear the way of Jaring, Zinni, Saudi and other Plans all by itself. Sharon's missile attacks on
[CTRL] Cheney's Oil Maps
-Caveat Lector- http://www.counterpunch.org/singham07192003.html July 19, 2003 Cheney's Oil Maps Can the Real Reason for War be This Crass? By MANO SINGHAM Now that the official case for attacking Iraq made by the US and British governments has started to unravel, the question of the real reason for unleashing this death and destruction has become a hot topic of conversation again. During the run-up to the invasion on Iraq, while speaking at teach-ins and other forums and taking part in other anti-war activities, I was somewhat skeptical of those who argued that the war was simply about getting hold of Iraqi oil for American oil companies. I cringed a little at the slogans and placards that said "No blood for oil!" , "No war for oil!", etc., and disagreed with those that the attack was due to a simple quid pro quo between the administration and its oil company cronies. While I found the administration's case for war to be unbelievable, the 'war for oil' thesis seemed to me to be a far too simplistic approach to global politics. I fancied my self to be a much more sophisticated geo-strategic analyst. Of course, the fact that Iraq had the world's second largest reserves could not be coincidental and definitely played a role in the war plans. But I thought it more likely that broader geopolitical concerns were more dominant, such as showing the world that the US had the power to enforce its will anywhere, and to establish a long-term and secure strategic base in the middle east from which to ensure dominance of the region. To the extent that oil played a role, I thought that purpose of the war was not mainly to divert Iraqi oil revenues to US companies but instead to ensure control over the oil flow to the rest of the world so that economic rivals such as Europe and Japan, whose economies were dependent on middle east oil, would be forced to be subservient to US global interests and pressure. The thought that the war was actually about making money for individuals and corporations in the short term did not seem to me to be credible. That was too petty and crass. That was why I was stunned to read the press release put out by the public interest group Judicial Watch on July 17, 2003. This organization, along with the Sierra Club, had argued that both the membership of the Energy Task Force chaired by Vice-President Cheney and the proceedings of its meetings should be made public and had sought the information under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) since April 19, 2001. The Vice President had vigorously opposed this opening up of its activities and so a lawsuit was filed. On March 5, 2002 the US District Judge ordered the government to produce the documents, which was finally done by the Commerce Department just recently. The Judicial Watch press release states that these released documents "contain a map of Iraqi oilfields, pipelines, refineries and terminals, as well as 2 charts detailing Iraqi oil and gas projects, and "Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts." The documents, which are dated March 2001, are available on the Internet at: www.JudicialWatch.org." The press release continues: "The Saudi Arabian and United Arab Emirates (UAE) documents likewise feature a map of each country's oilfields, pipelines, refineries and tanker terminals. There are supporting charts with details of the major oil and gas development projects in each country that provide information on the projects, costs, capacity, oil company and status or completion date." This foreign policy involvement is a somewhat surprising turn of events. The original FOIA case was initiated (before 9/11 and before the ratcheting up of the attack on Iraq) because of more domestic concerns, specifically suspicions that the membership of the Energy Task Force may have included people such as Ken Lay of Enron Corporation who may have been in a position to exercise undue influence over government energy policy at the expense of the public interest. Now, other news items come to my mind, all pointing in the direction of Cheney. Although generally keeping a low profile in his frequent stays at his hideout, Cheney has been one of the most adamant proponents of attacking Iraq and hyping its threat. He has made some of the most authoritative statements that Iraq already had weapons of mass destruction, saying things like "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." (August 26, 2002) and "And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." (March 16, 2003), the latter statement made just three days before the invasion. It is also Cheney who reportedly had the most involvement in the fraud involving Iraqi uranium purchase from Niger, reportedly initiating the sending of Ambassador Wilson to that country to investigate. It is also Cheney who is reportedly the driving force behind the President's foreign policy and serves as his main strategist and mentor. So perhaps my friends
[CTRL] Caesar's Favor
-Caveat Lector- http://www.mediamonitors.net/index.html Caesar's Favor by Uri Avnery George Caesar, the Imperator of the new Rome, likes Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen). He has invited him to the White House and showers him with compliments. As in ancient Rome, the likes and dislikes of the Emperor shape the policy of the Empire. All the ministers, eunuchs, officials, proconsuls and local rulers act accordingly, while mouthing words of flattery and praising the wisdom of Caesar, irrespective of whether he is really wise, like Julius Caesar, stupid like Tiberius or downright mad, like Caligula. Caesar is Caesar. George Bush is a simple man. His mental world, like a Western, contains Good Guys and Bad Guys. His impressions are personal and come "from the gut". They have nothing to do with logic or political analysis. Arafat made Bush angry, he is a Bad Guy. Abu Mazen is a Good Guy, mainly because he is not Arafat. Like King Herod, who lived in Jerusalem but whose ears picked up the slightest murmur in Rome, Ariel Sharon listens to every whisper in Washington. In order to influence Bush, he always has to know exactly which way the wind is blowing. If Bush likes Abu Mazen, so Sharon, too, likes Abu Mazen. More than that, he lays out a blue-and-white carpet for him to walk on. He invites him to his Jerusalem office, exchanges smiles and handshakes over the emblem of the State of Israel, publicly orders his people to strengthen Abu Mazen in every possible way, watching over him like a good father over a promising son. But with friends like this, one has no need of enemies. I would advise Abu Mazen not to turn his back when Sharon is around. Definitely not. Because Sharons hidden agenda is far removed from his public one. As we have said many times before: dont listen to what Sharon says but pay attention to what he does. >From the day Abu Mazen was appointed Palestinian Prime Minister, Sharons sole aim has been to topple him from his rickety chair as quickly and as forcefully as possible. It started with statements from Sharon and his henchmen that made Abu Mazen look like an Israeli stooge, a sub-contractor for Israeli security. It is continuing by denying him any political achievement at all, making him look like a "featherless chicken", as Sharon has called him. Sharons many statements about releasing prisoners as a gesture of generosity have been loaded with so many "no"s as to become meaningless. No prisoners with "blood on their hands". No Hamas and Jihad members. No, no, no, until only 300 remained, including common criminals and prisoners about to be released anyhow. At the same time, Sharon has fulfilled almost none of his obligations under the Road Map. The removal of some 60 settlers "outposts" has become a joke. Only one single inhabited outpost was removed in a dramatic struggle before the cameras, and two new ones were put up in its place. The freezing of all the settlements has been "forgotten". The building of the "separation wall", whose main aim is the drawing of a new border deep in Palestinian territory and grabbing as much land as possible, is going rapidly ahead, contrary to Sharons obligation not to do anything that may change the situation on the ground. He is about to spend almost two billion (billion, not million) dollars on this monstrous enterprise, while the education and health systems in Israel are collapsing for lack of funds and single mothers are sitting in protest tents next to his office. The withdrawal from the Palestinian territories is a sham. The Israeli army has left some areas in the Gaza Strip which it wanted to leave anyway. The central road has indeed been opened, but not completely, and it can be shut down again at a moments notice. The army has also left parts of Bethlehem, but continues to build walls in other parts of the town. Withdrawals from all the other Palestinian towns "are not under consideration for the time being". All over the West Bank, the checkpoints continue to make the lives of the population hell. Every night more people are arrested. The Chief-of-Staff boasts that the hudna (cease-fire) constitutes an Israeli victory, thereby inciting Palestinians to break it. The commander of the Central Sector accuses the Palestinian security services of not having cooperated in securing the release of a kidnapped Israeli cabdriver, after refusing to give them the least scrap of the necessary information And most importantly, all Sharons spokesmen announce day and night that Abu Mazen has failed in his job. Israel, they say, will not make any gesture towards him until he begins to disarm Hamas and Jihad that is to say, initiates a civil war that will cause Hamas and Jihad to end the hudna and start a new conflagration. This would allow Sharon to wriggle out of his obligation to dismantle settlements. Abu Mazen is also told that he must replace Arafat, who is vastly more popular than him. The ongoing imprisonment of Arafat in his wrecked
Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth
-Caveat Lector- Thanks for confirming my observation so quickly. I imagine it is pretty scary for you when people actually believe the Bible. There are different interpretations of the various events among "fundamentalists" but on one thing all can agree, that there will be a tribulation period during which two thirds of the earth's population will die. Fundamentalists have no fear of physical death. Is that your hang up Bill? JR - Original Message - From: William Shannon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/20/2003 1:02:53 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Many of Shannon's postings reflect the New Age treatment of Christianity as their main enemy. We can only surmise that he feels the same way.Oh thanks for the laugh today...glad Zuukie has found a playmate for her wacky, "Jewishly" paranoid madness. She was seeming lonely of late. I am not a Xian though by and large I am in agreement with traditional Christian thought on many subjects, not all, but many. Anything that shines a harsh light on the nonsense of dispensationalism is a good thing regardless of its source. The wonderful piece I forwarded from the populist (and indispensible) American Free Press shows clearly the true Christian position regarding the "end times" and Israel and ought to be something anyone calling themselves Christian becomes aware of so that they may break free from the shackles of Zionism forthwith. Between airy-fairy new age claptrap and murderous, racist Zionism the choice is a no-brainer.Bill. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/20/2003 2:59:56 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is that your hang up Bill? My only hangup is the Bears QB situation Rarey...what's your hangup? Bill. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth
Title: Message -Caveat Lector- Ah just look at the company you keep Shannon. The little link in your post goes to theThe Christ Conspiracywhich is published by Adventures Unlimited, an offshoot of the Stelle group here in Illinois. That group was started by a channeler who then ran off and left the community here in Illinois to go to a more profitable one in Texas. The site describes the author and the outlets for her research. Really academic publications. However her identity is hidden, so no one can check on all of these academic references she lists. Of course you aren't a Christian Shannon. We all knew that.New Age is a resurgence of Nazism. Birds of a feather and all that. --- Acharya S has gained mastery in several religions, as well other esoterica and the supernatural, and has a number of students and devotees. She is also the author of several books, including The Christ Conspiracy, Paradise Found and The Aquarian Manifesto: A Handbook for Survival into and a Blueprint for the New Age. Her current book is Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled. Articles by Acharya S have been published in Exposure, Steamshovel Press, Paranoia, Abyss and Cyberculture Counterconspiracy II, Wake Up Down There! The Excluded Middle Anthology, as well as other periodicals and ezines. -Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William ShannonSent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 1:23 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/20/2003 1:02:53 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Many of Shannon's postings reflect the New Age treatment of Christianity as their main enemy. We can only surmise that he feels the same way.Oh thanks for the laugh today...glad Zuukie has found a playmate for her wacky, "Jewishly" paranoid madness. She was seeming lonely of late. I am not a Xian though by and large I am in agreement with traditional Christian thought on many subjects, not all, but many. Anything that shines a harsh light on the nonsense of dispensationalism is a good thing regardless of its source. The wonderful piece I forwarded from the populist (and indispensible) American Free Press shows clearly the true Christian position regarding the "end times" and Israel and ought to be something anyone calling themselves Christian becomes aware of so that they may break free from the shackles of Zionism forthwith. Between airy-fairy new age claptrap and murderous, racist Zionism the choice is a no-brainer.Bill. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To
Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/20/2003 3:11:38 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The site describes the author and the outlets for her research. Really academic publications. However her identity is hidden, so no one can check on all of these academic references she lists. Acharya S. is an amazingly intelligent lady and her book THE CHRIST CONSPIRACY is TRULY mind-blowing...you ought to read it. I'd imagine she keeps herself somewhat anonymous because of nutcases like you and Rarey. Read her book and you'll have no doubt of her credentials. Bill. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth
-Caveat Lector- Beg your pardon. There are Christians that feel the great tribulation was the Fall of Jerusalem. Revelation is a very symbolic book. -Caveat Lector- Thanks for confirming my observation so quickly. I imagine it is pretty scary for you when people actually believe the Bible. There are different interpretations of the various events among "fundamentalists" but on one thing all can agree, that there will be a tribulation period during which two thirds of the earth's population will die. Fundamentalists have no fear of physical death. Is that your hang up Bill? JR - Original Message - From: William Shannon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/20/2003 1:02:53 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Many of Shannon's postings reflect the New Age treatment of Christianity as their main enemy. We can only surmise that he feels the same way.Oh thanks for the laugh today...glad Zuukie has found a playmate for her wacky, "Jewishly" paranoid madness. She was seeming lonely of late. I am not a Xian though by and large I am in agreement with traditional Christian thought on many subjects, not all, but many. Anything that shines a harsh light on the nonsense of dispensationalism is a good thing regardless of its source. The wonderful piece I forwarded from the populist (and indispensible) American Free Press shows clearly the true Christian position regarding the "end times" and Israel and ought to be something anyone calling themselves Christian becomes aware of so that they may break free from the shackles of Zionism forthwith. Between airy-fairy new age claptrap and murderous, racist Zionism the choice is a no-brainer.Bill. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] child abuse conference in August
-Caveat Lector- scroll for conference information Hi ! Information about our conference this summer in August is at Ritual Abuse Conference - 2003 Soon it will be too late to register for this conference. If you are interested, please pre-register now. Jeannie Riseman MSW, the editor of Survivorship's Quarterly, and Carol Rutz will be leading a discussion group at the conference. Jeannie is the content owner of the "Ritual Abuse, Ritual Crime, and Healing" home page (http://www.ra-info.org) and a Board member of Survivorship (http://www.survivorship.org). Partial fee waivers are also available. Please feel free to write me if you have any questions. Thanks. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Church cover up, priests practice sexual healing, abuse website, US torture
-Caveat Lector- also has U.S. Accused Of Torture In Iraq More than 1,000 children killed or wounded by abandoned arms in Iraq: UNICEF 'Time running out' to secure Iraq scroll for news articles Churches accused of cover-up over sex attacks Antony Barnett 7/20/03 "British church authorities stand accused of covering up a catalogue of sexual assaults on women by clergymen. An investigation by The Observer has uncovered more than 60 cases where women have alleged they were abused by clerics from all denominations. Many victims claim the churches have ignored their suffering while allowing the offenders to go on preaching from the pulpit." http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1001812,00.html 'God wants you to love me' After a four-month investigation, Antony Barnett reveals that the Anglican Church is to be hit by a new scandal, as women tell of rape and abuse by priests who practised 'sexual healing' 7/20/03 http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1001664,00.html South County Christian Counseling Center is a teaching and counseling center located in St. Louis, Missouri. We exist to heal the hurting through individual counseling and also through teaching and training churches, treatment centers, and mental health professionals in the area of traumatic abuse and the devastating affects it has on people. http://www.s.net/ from mparent http://informationclearinghouse.literati.org/article4160.htm U.S. Accused Of Torture In Iraq 07/19/03: (CBS) Amnesty International is looking into a number of cases of suspected torture in Iraq by American authorities "The United Nations Committee Against Torture has stated quite clearly that these methods constitute torture. The U.S. has signed up to high standards. It's not keeping them." U.S. officials did not respond to repeated requests to discuss the case, but the American governor here insists that the U.S. does not torture prisoners. http://www.spacewar.com/2003/030717165915.ss4dmm7u.html More than 1,000 children killed or wounded by abandoned arms in Iraq: UNICEF BAGHDAD (AFP) Jul 17, 2003 More than 1,000 Iraqi children have been killed or wounded by abandoned weapons and munitions since the April 9 fall of Baghdad, the UN children's fund UNICEF said Thursday, urging action from the US-led coalition here. http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/middle_east/3076531.stm Friday, 18 July, 2003 'Time running out' to secure Iraq - Top Pentagon advisers have warned that time is running out for the United States to establish law and order in Iraq, where another US soldier was killed by a bomb on Friday. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [cia-drugs] Of the Hegelian Dialectic
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- Ecclesiastes 1:17, 18: And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit. For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Of the Hegelian Dialectic That now brings us to the principles that underwrite the big production. There are several philosophical principles that underlie modern social engineering in general, and modern politics in particular. One is the concept of Fabianism, or gradualism. This philosophy/process is named for the ancient Roman general Fabian, who won control of areas through attrition. Those who didn't want to be Romanized would often fight passionately to defend their homelands and local culture. Therefore, he would utilize a superior support and logistical structure to engage his opponents in a series of hit and run skirmishes designed to wear them down over the long term, avoiding all-out confrontation which he feared he could lose. It was a sort of death by a thousand small cuts approach. This premise as applied to politics and social engineering is that ends are achieved by means of a relentless slow process of subtle pressure. It is a bend but don't break approach. That is why we've had forty years of continual crisis, of protests and riots and upheavals of various kinds, always threatening the fabric of American life, but never quite exploding into full-blown chaos and anarchy. It is the philosophy of slow and steady controlled revolution. The second principle which coincides with this is known as the Hegelian Dialectic. This is the application of the principles of German philosopher Georg W.F. Hegel who lived from 1770-1831. He developed an all-embracing philosophical system, set forth in such works as Phenomenology of Mind (1807), Science of Logic (1812-16), and Encyclopedia of the Philosophical Sciences (1817), which included theories of ethics, aesthetics, history, politics, and religion. The Hegelian method of logic was based on the concept of advancing contradictory arguments, of thesis and antithesis, and seeking their resolution by synthesis. (1) In other words, it is a continual process of conflict and compromise. Hegel may have believed this to be a naturally occurring phenomenon, but he was not oblivious to the fact that it seemed to be a guided process, by someone or something. In an age when academia favored pure naturalism, Hegel retained some spiritual element to his philosophy. At the center of the universe Hegel posited an enveloping absolute spirit that guides all reality, including human reason. His absolute idealism envisages a world-soul, evident throughout history, that develops from, and is known through, a process of change and progress now known universally as the Hegelian dialectic. According to its laws, one concept (thesis) inevitably generates its opposite (antithesis); their interaction leads to a new concept (synthesis), which in turn becomes the thesis of a new triad. (2) But his notion of spirituality is far from a traditional Judeo/Christian worldview. His enveloping absolute spirit is more akin to that of the occult, i.e., Luciferian or Satanic. Whether or not he studied and intentionally incorporated occult doctrine is not known for certain. Nevertheless, a Kabbalistic worldview has been perceived by some in his philosophy. Prof. Evgueni Tortchinov of the University of St. Petersburg in Moscow has said that he believes similarities really exist and goes on to say we can find some very interesting similarities with Kabbalistic world-view not only in Hegel's philosophy but in other contemporary systems as well. (3) In modern (and now post-modern) history this Hegelelian Dialectic principle is NOT a randomly occurring
Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth
-Caveat Lector- The Lion's offensive line. They can't protect any passer. JR - Original Message - From: William Shannon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/20/2003 2:59:56 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is that your hang up Bill?My only hangup is the Bears QB situation Rarey...what's your hangup? www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/20/2003 7:46:01 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Lion's offensive line. They can't protect any passer. That's for sure...2 wins a year for us...and only one more season of getting screwed by Favre it look like too. Get prepared for a Bears dynasty. Bill. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth
-Caveat Lector- Much of the symbolism in Revelation is explained in Daniel and other Old Testament books. If read as a whole, the Bible explains (interprets) itself. The fall of Jerusalem and destruction of the temple was prophesized by Jesus. That was separate and apart from the tribulation he (Jesus) talks about later. JR - Original Message - From: BillK To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth -Caveat Lector- Beg your pardon. There are Christians that feel the great tribulation was the Fall of Jerusalem. Revelation is a very symbolic book. -Caveat Lector- Thanks for confirming my observation so quickly. I imagine it is pretty scary for you when people actually believe the Bible. There are different interpretations of the various events among "fundamentalists" but on one thing all can agree, that there will be a tribulation period during which two thirds of the earth's population will die. Fundamentalists have no fear of physical death. Is that your hang up Bill? JR www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [THE-DIALECTIC-OF-THE-DIALECTIC] Re: Jewish Anthropology (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 18:16:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [THE-DIALECTIC-OF-THE-DIALECTIC] Re: Jewish Anthropology In Canada it is a crime to promote hatred toward an identifiable group (outside of fair-comment discussions on religion etc. which are specified) and it takes only ONE fatality as a result of the hate campaign to establish that a genocide has begun. Why wait until millions are killed? Sections 318-19 Criminal Code of Canada. If the power elite in Canada were to target an identifiable group like Palestinians with hate and then follow through on a program which caused death to any number of them, that would be a hate crime. POC * http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens ** On Sun, 20 Jul 2003, Bob S. wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], New York Jew-boy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your complete ignorance is absolutely astonishing. Riain the Irish Wolfhound/warthog/cockhound: race is a social construct and not a genetic one. NY Jew-boy: If that's true, then how can a forensic anthropologist determine a subject's race on the basis of the chemical analysis of a hair sample? A social construct doesn't allow that. Simply because race is a much more important social category than a scientific category doesn't mean it HAS no scientific basis. How many races are there, NY Jew-boy? What race is a woman whose mother is 'white' whose father is 'black'? How do you account for dark-skinned 'blacks' with blue eyes? Do you really believe the JewNazi racist shit re Cohanim remaining racially pure (Jews) for several millenia? Bob: Zionism is racism because Zionists ethnic cleanse / genocide Palestinians. Palestinians Jews are both Semitic people -- to some extent. Ashkenazim Jews to some extent interbred with Aryan Europeans etc. NY Jew-boy: There's no evidence that the Israeli's commit genocide - which involves an intentional attempt to systematically exterminate an entire race of people. You're a liar! UN's definition of genocide fits actions of JewNazis. NY Jew-boy: Zionism isn't any more racism than Islamic fundamentalis is, the latter of which has a far worse human rights record than the Israelis. Jews kill approx. 3 Pals (mostly children other innocents) for every 1 Jew the Pal freedom fighters kill. Before Intifada, Jews killed approx. 14 Pals for every Jew the Pal freedom fighters killed. Somebody else, from this remark likely Jewish: Riain the queer Zionist skinhead who is piss fetishist spank fetishist: We can tell that most European Jews have historically married other Jews, and as a result, contemporary Ashkenazim are more similar to each other, and to their Middle Eastern cousins, than they are to the Europeans with whom they have lived for generations. Bob: Actually, the native language of the Ashkenazim is Yiddish a Germanic language, Ashkenazim means Germanic Jews. NY Jew-boy: Not all of the Ashkenazim speak Yiddish; many speak the native language of their region, and there are Ashkenazis all over Eastern Europe. When JewNazis aren't out right lying, they are attempting to deceive (like Jacob who jewed his brother Esau out of birthright both intentionally deceived lied to his dying father Isaac). You fit the negative stereotype perfectly, NY Jew-boy! From http://www.dictionary.com, I looked up Ashkenazim: start quote Ash·ke·naz·i( P ) Pronunciation Key (äshk-näz) n. pl. Ash·ke·naz·im (-nzm, -näzm) A member of the branch of European Jews, historically Yiddish- speaking, who settled in central and northern Europe. [Medieval Hebrew 'aknzî, from 'aknaz, Germany, adoption of Hebrew 'aknaz, name of one of Noah's grandsons and of a neighboring people, perhaps alteration of earlier *'akûz, Scythians; akin to Akkadian aguzai, ikuzai, from Old Persian Saka-, Ska-.] Ashke·nazic (-näzk) adj. end quote Not all AshkeNAZIm speak Yiddish anymore, but Yiddish is their/your native language. as dictionary.com reveals Ashkenazim is derived for Medieval Hebrew for Germany. To hell with you lying, deceiving Jew(Nazi)s! But first (grin), here's dictionary.com info on Yiddish: start new quote Yid·dish( P ) Pronunciation Key (ydsh) n. The language historically of Ashkenazic Jews of Central and Eastern Europe, resulting from a fusion
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-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 18:20:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [THE-DIALECTIC-OF-THE-DIALECTIC] Re: Jewish Anthropology The Cohanim Y chromosome could as well have originated in Edomites with phonetically similar names. Remember that Esau was Jacob-Israel's twin. Esau's nation was called Edom and Jacob's was called Israel. The Edomites were racially more semitic in appearance (like modern Jews) because Esau started off by marrying Hittites who have the classic everted lower lips and semitic noses. The Jews today are likely Edomites. POC * http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens ** On Sun, 20 Jul 2003, Bob S. wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], New York Jew-boy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your complete ignorance is absolutely astonishing. Riain the Irish Wolfhound/warthog/cockhound: race is a social construct and not a genetic one. NY Jew-boy: If that's true, then how can a forensic anthropologist determine a subject's race on the basis of the chemical analysis of a hair sample? A social construct doesn't allow that. Simply because race is a much more important social category than a scientific category doesn't mean it HAS no scientific basis. How many races are there, NY Jew-boy? What race is a woman whose mother is 'white' whose father is 'black'? How do you account for dark-skinned 'blacks' with blue eyes? Do you really believe the JewNazi racist shit re Cohanim remaining racially pure (Jews) for several millenia? Bob: Zionism is racism because Zionists ethnic cleanse / genocide Palestinians. Palestinians Jews are both Semitic people -- to some extent. Ashkenazim Jews to some extent interbred with Aryan Europeans etc. NY Jew-boy: There's no evidence that the Israeli's commit genocide - which involves an intentional attempt to systematically exterminate an entire race of people. You're a liar! UN's definition of genocide fits actions of JewNazis. NY Jew-boy: Zionism isn't any more racism than Islamic fundamentalis is, the latter of which has a far worse human rights record than the Israelis. Jews kill approx. 3 Pals (mostly children other innocents) for every 1 Jew the Pal freedom fighters kill. Before Intifada, Jews killed approx. 14 Pals for every Jew the Pal freedom fighters killed. Somebody else, from this remark likely Jewish: Riain the queer Zionist skinhead who is piss fetishist spank fetishist: We can tell that most European Jews have historically married other Jews, and as a result, contemporary Ashkenazim are more similar to each other, and to their Middle Eastern cousins, than they are to the Europeans with whom they have lived for generations. Bob: Actually, the native language of the Ashkenazim is Yiddish a Germanic language, Ashkenazim means Germanic Jews. NY Jew-boy: Not all of the Ashkenazim speak Yiddish; many speak the native language of their region, and there are Ashkenazis all over Eastern Europe. When JewNazis aren't out right lying, they are attempting to deceive (like Jacob who jewed his brother Esau out of birthright both intentionally deceived lied to his dying father Isaac). You fit the negative stereotype perfectly, NY Jew-boy! From http://www.dictionary.com, I looked up Ashkenazim: start quote Ash·ke·naz·i( P ) Pronunciation Key (äshk-näz) n. pl. Ash·ke·naz·im (-nzm, -näzm) A member of the branch of European Jews, historically Yiddish- speaking, who settled in central and northern Europe. [Medieval Hebrew 'aknzî, from 'aknaz, Germany, adoption of Hebrew 'aknaz, name of one of Noah's grandsons and of a neighboring people, perhaps alteration of earlier *'akûz, Scythians; akin to Akkadian aguzai, ikuzai, from Old Persian Saka-, Ska-.] Ashke·nazic (-näzk) adj. end quote Not all AshkeNAZIm speak Yiddish anymore, but Yiddish is their/your native language. as dictionary.com reveals Ashkenazim is derived for Medieval Hebrew for Germany. To hell with you lying, deceiving Jew(Nazi)s! But first (grin), here's dictionary.com info on Yiddish: start new quote Yid·dish( P ) Pronunciation Key (ydsh) n. The language historically of Ashkenazic Jews of Central and Eastern Europe, resulting from a fusion of elements derived principally from medieval German dialects and secondarily from Hebrew and Aramaic, various Slavic languages, and Old French and Old Italian. [Yiddish yidish, Jewish, Yiddish, from Middle High German jüdisch, Jewish, from jude, jüde, Jew, from Old High German judo, from Latin Idaeus. See Jew.] Yiddish adj. Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language,
