Re: [CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky?
I've seen the planes, I've seen them land. They are white jetliners. You may ask how I know it was a "Chemplane?" Because a "normal" plane has no need for a long blue boom hanging off the top of the horizontal stabilizer (rudder). I've seen them spray. Check out www.contrailconnection.com. Also, I'm a part of the Chemtrail club on Yahoo at http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/chemtrailtrackingusa . They are spraying. It's fact. What? Well, that's the question in which there is lots of speculation. But I'm sure it's something to further their agenda, so by default that makes it bad for you and I. (I'm back) Jamie -Original Message- From: tenebroust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 9:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky? I have seen these things as well. A strange accumulation of crosshatching which is unusual. I have never seen a plane make them and have never seen a plane "spraying" anything. That does not mean it is not happening, but I have no proof of it. I also have read articles in "mainstream" publications which give some scientific explanations for these things which do not involve spraying of chemicals. They could of course be "part of the conspiracy", but I don't know it. Let us see what we shall see. Speculation is 100% okay and presenting information of this kind is often limited to speculation as no hard evidence can be gleaned (especially if the spraying is done at high altitudes, little residue would make it to the ground to be gathered and tested). One simply cannot say what it is that is going on. Given our government's past activity I am inclined to believe that they ARE spraying us with something, as well as other not-so-noticeable things as well (like ELF, Micro-waves, etc.) BUT my inclination is NOT proof, thus we should reserve judgement on what is the truth. On Thu, 25 May 2000, nessie wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: And we don't know what else it is or isn't, either." You say this all the time about everything. And I'm almost always right. Post referred to - "the take off and landing weights of his planes suddenly did not correspond anymore with the amount of fuel used, meaning that something besides fuel was lost during those flights." Did you you personally weigh the plane? Neither did I. I'm willing to believe that some guy said the weights were different. I'm not willing to believe the weights were different without corroboration. are the commercial planes spraying something we don't know about? YES THEY ARE. WE DO KNOW . How do you know, because somebody told you? Or did you personally observe it happening and scientifically eliminate all other explanations for what you saw? Let me tell you what I know. Twice I have seen weird cross hatch contrail patterns over my city. We have three major airports here. Commercial airliners cross the sky here constantly. It is not at all unusual for me to see airliners overhead. Sometimes they leave contrails, usually they do not. It depends on atmospheric conditions. When they do leave contrails the contrails are always at pretty much the same altitude. There are seldom more than one to three at a time and while the are occasionally do cross each other they never form a dense cross hatch pattern at lower altitude like the two cross hatch patterns I reported. This has led me to believe that it highly unlikely that the weird crosshatch patterns I saw had anything whatsoever, natural or otherwise, to do with commercial airliners. That's what I know. I didn't see the planes that produced the weird cross hatch patterns. Though I consider it unlikely, it is entirely conceivable that the planes resemble commercial airliners. They may even be the same makes and models, though I doubt it highly. That, however, does not make them commercial airliners. Commercial airliners do not behave that way. Commercial airliners never fly relatively low over the city in a cross hatch pattern, ever. Such totally anomalous behavior would surely have drawn great attention. We see commercial airliners all the time. The always behave the same way. They climb and they leave the area in a relatively straight line or they descend and then land. They never fly cross-hatches low over the city. They tend to not fly directly over the city at all because that's not where the airports are. This whole thing puts me in mind of the whole unmarked black helicopter flap. I've heard about them. I've seen picture of what has been reputed to be unmarked black helicopters. These are not good enough reasons for me to believe people are flying unmarked black helicopters. So I studiously avoided telling people that unmarked black helicopters were flying in our skies. I did however tell people about the reports and the pictures, neither of which
Re: [CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky?
The most important thing is that the spraying is a new occurrence. So why not let the people know (if it's not a "bad" thing). I see it almost daily morning, noon and night. I travel and see it in most cities I go to. On a recent flight to the west coast I saw the planes spraying out my window. When we landed I had a discussion with the pilot about "clouds" at such a high altitude his reply "unusual for sure" I mentione "chemtrails" he said it was being discussed among commerical pilots but he seemed uneasy about discussing it with me. What is it? I dont know yet I wonder if it's not bad why not let the people know. Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/26/00 12:36AM In a message dated 5/25/00 9:21:39 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is too much of people wondering if some authority has a qualification and dismissing something for lack of verified evidence. There is no time for that. I know I have no time for that. I weigh what I see, what I read, what I experience, and try to put the most logical scenario together. I'm cautious to use words like 'my opinion' and 'my belief'. I'm not arguing in a court of law, I'm just trying to figure things out. I thought that's why we were here on this list in the first place. That's why I'm here. Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky?
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I've seen the planes, I've seen them land. They are white jetliners. Where? When? What models? What were their markings? Specifically, what were their numbers? Did you write down their numbers? If not, why not? They are spraying. It's fact. What? Well, that's the question in which there is lots of speculation.But I'm sure it's something to further their agenda, so by default that makes it bad for you and I. Agreed. But part of the problem here is we are still at the stage of speculating as to who "they" are and what, exactly their agenda is. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky?
The planes I've seen are totally white. The long blue boom hanging off the back of the plane attached to the top of the vertical stab is the only thing that hints to me it's a chemplane. There are no defining numbers or markings on the plane. Where? This is the crazy part. I'm about 10 miles from the Tulsa International Airport but near there is a national guard base, so from where I was it was difficult to tell which airport they were landing at. But I wouldn't think they would land at a public airport, but I could be wrong too. When? Last week. Jamie [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I've seen the planes, I've seen them land. They are white jetliners. Where? When? What models? What were their markings? Specifically, what were their numbers? Did you write down their numbers? If not, why not? They are spraying. It's fact. What? Well, that's the question in which there is lots of speculation.But I'm sure it's something to further their agenda, so by default that makes it bad for you and I. Agreed. But part of the problem here is we are still at the stage of speculating as to who "they" are and what, exactly their agenda is. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky?
Nessie, If you really want to find out if something is going on it would pay to get more info [buy books, mags, watch videos] rather than just waiting for others to get it then commenting - we don't know if its right or not, by just sitting reading posts and then weighing up the odds by just looking at the post. Some people actually put the time in getting a lot of information and you never stop cutting people down for trying to inform others. Read what you just wrote please and ask yourself if you have contributed more than the post you are talking about. " blah...We don't know yet. We may never know. And we don't know what else it is or isn't, either." You say this all the time about everything. Post referred to - "the take off and landing weights of his planes suddenly did not correspond anymore with the amount of fuel used, meaning that something besides fuel was lost during those flights." Here is the main point of the post and 2 other posts already posted here went into this in great length, which was - are the commercial planes spraying something we don't know about? YES THEY ARE. WE DO KNOW . Who are you telling to buy a @#$% dictionary? Its your vagueness as projection that you see. [shrug] Nicky -Original Message- From: nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] So let me get this straight. Nicky says that Steve says that ManBrad says that a guy on the Art Bell show says that he got an email from a guy he says is named Thomas who says some guys whose names we don't know but he claims were "meteorologists" made faces once so we're supposed to be scared the sky is falling. Yeah. OK. Sure. Maybe the sky is really falling. Hey, it could happen. But this is not evidence that the sky is falling. This is fifth-hand hearsay from people we have never even met. We have no proof whatsoever that any of them even exist. For all we know for certain they could all be literary creations, characters in some psycho-drama psy-op. Whatever they are, evidence they are not. Evidence they do not present. And if we can't learn how to tell the difference between hearsay and evidence, we are doomed to be herded like livestock for the rest of our lives. On the other hand, yeah, the government does do spray stuff in the air sometimes. For example: two miles from where I sit right now they once sprayed serratia marcescens into the air and infected the entire SF Bay Area. See: A High Form of Killing by Robert Harris and Jeremy Paxman, ISBN 0-8090-5471-x, p 156. So we cannot, and should not, dismiss out of hand the possibility that foul play is afoot here. But let's be rational and follow the basic rules of logic and evidence as we investigate the possibility. How would you, personally, like to be convicted in a court of law and then imprisoned on the basis of fifth-hand hearsay? I didn't think so. So please, show us some common courtesy here and don't attempt to imprison our minds in a cage of unsubstianted claims, wild rumors and disinformation. The government, and the entities the animate it, all have a long, thick, rich history of engaging in massive disinformation campaigns. Is the whole chemtrail affair a psy-op? We don't know yet. We may never know. And we don't know what else it is or isn't, either. But we do what hearsay is, don't we? I do. If you don't, go buy a goddam dictionary. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky?
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: And we don't know what else it is or isn't, either." You say this all the time about everything. And I'm almost always right. Post referred to - "the take off and landing weights of his planes suddenly did not correspond anymore with the amount of fuel used, meaning that something besides fuel was lost during those flights." Did you you personally weigh the plane? Neither did I. I'm willing to believe that some guy said the weights were different. I'm not willing to believe the weights were different without corroboration. are the commercial planes spraying something we don't know about? YES THEY ARE. WE DO KNOW . How do you know, because somebody told you? Or did you personally observe it happening and scientifically eliminate all other explanations for what you saw? Let me tell you what I know. Twice I have seen weird cross hatch contrail patterns over my city. We have three major airports here. Commercial airliners cross the sky here constantly. It is not at all unusual for me to see airliners overhead. Sometimes they leave contrails, usually they do not. It depends on atmospheric conditions. When they do leave contrails the contrails are always at pretty much the same altitude. There are seldom more than one to three at a time and while the are occasionally do cross each other they never form a dense cross hatch pattern at lower altitude like the two cross hatch patterns I reported. This has led me to believe that it highly unlikely that the weird crosshatch patterns I saw had anything whatsoever, natural or otherwise, to do with commercial airliners. That's what I know. I didn't see the planes that produced the weird cross hatch patterns. Though I consider it unlikely, it is entirely conceivable that the planes resemble commercial airliners. They may even be the same makes and models, though I doubt it highly. That, however, does not make them commercial airliners. Commercial airliners do not behave that way. Commercial airliners never fly relatively low over the city in a cross hatch pattern, ever. Such totally anomalous behavior would surely have drawn great attention. We see commercial airliners all the time. The always behave the same way. They climb and they leave the area in a relatively straight line or they descend and then land. They never fly cross-hatches low over the city. They tend to not fly directly over the city at all because that's not where the airports are. This whole thing puts me in mind of the whole unmarked black helicopter flap. I've heard about them. I've seen picture of what has been reputed to be unmarked black helicopters. These are not good enough reasons for me to believe people are flying unmarked black helicopters. So I studiously avoided telling people that unmarked black helicopters were flying in our skies. I did however tell people about the reports and the pictures, neither of which amounted to my being able to truthfully say that unmarked black helicopters fly in our skies. They could just as likely be accounted for by lies and by Photoshop. However, I personally have twice seen unmarked black helicopters with my own eyes. The first time I was out in the country in Northern California. I saw two unmarked black helicopters circling a remote farm house at extremely low altitude. Since it was a Saturday, I guessed that they were police marijuana raiders who were making a little money on their day off by taping over their tail numbers, removing their badges and stealing marijuana for themselves. This happens fairly often around here. I figured it was a very good time for me to be somewhere else and I prudently left the area immediately. The second time I saw unmarked black helicopters, three were flying very low over the SOMA district of San Francisco. I had just dropped my SO off at work. I was riding home. I looked up and there they were. I have know idea what they were doing. All I know was they were black and they had no markings. So yeah, unmarked black helicopters fly in the skies around here. People tell me they are the advance scouts of the New World Order's UN strike force. Personally, I think that's a patent absurdity. Other people tell me there are no such things as unmarked black helicopters. They are dead wrong and I know it for a fact because I personally have seen seen unmarked black helicopters with my own eyes. I don't know what they were or what they were doing. All I know for sure is that they were black and they had no markings. I've also been told, though I haven't looked it up myself, that flying without markings is a crime. So, I hear, is flying 150 feet over SOMA. That's all I know. Likewise, I have twice seen with my own eyes weird cross hatch contrail like formations at relatively low altitude over my city. I don't know what they are and don't say that I do. Maybe they are chemicals. Maybe they are biologicals. Maybe even they are vaccines. Maybe they are harmless theater
Re: [CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky?
Nessie, I am using my critical facility here - who said anything about a commercial airliner having to produce a visible contrail if they are spraying stuff into the sky? You are trying to SEE evidence. Try analysing instead. If we could see airlines spraying contrails we would all know by now that they are doing it. They can spray anything they want it dosen't have to show. The point is what are they spraying? I have 3 posts on the Cloverleaf connection coming shortly. This will answer your doubts. I'm not trying to pass myself off an an authority on anything. Instead I am trying to help in ensuring the survival of the people on this planet from predators whether human or otherwise. There is too much of people wondering if some authority has a qualification and dismissing something for lack of verified evidence. There is no time for that. It is still OK to say someone said something. We listen to you, you are someone saying something. It is a matter of LUCK to wonder about if a possible thing may be occuring and then miraculously finding it appear in your inbox or while surfing. Connect the dots. I get help - it comes from having an open mind. Josh would say uncritical. Whatever. You are looking at everything from an American point of view, I'm not. I have had more than 60 jobs and lived in various countries and learned to detect a predator through experience. Right now USA is being destroyed from the inside. It is very noticeable. Nicky -Original Message- From: nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, 26 May 2000 02:58 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky? Who are you telling to buy a @#$% dictionary? I'm telling you to stop repeating hearsay as fact. It's hinders science and gets in our way. I also suggest that you are far to gullible and trusting to be consider as a reliable source of analysis. Your critical reasoning ability needs a lot of work. Please, learn how to tell a fact from a rumor. As a source of data you could conceivably be superb. You have the drive. You have the time. What you lack is rigorous scientific method. Until you develop some I recommend that you be taken with a large grain of salt. If you tell us that somebody told you they know what these things are, I'm willing to believe you. Yeah, probably somebody did tell you that. But when you tell us that means that you know what these things are i do not believe you because it is not true. hearing something is true and knowing something is true are different things. Everyone on this list, everyone in the world, would do very well to learn how to tell the difference. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL
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I have seen these things as well. A strange accumulation of crosshatching which is unusual. I have never seen a plane make them and have never seen a plane "spraying" anything. That does not mean it is not happening, but I have no proof of it. I also have read articles in "mainstream" publications which give some scientific explanations for these things which do not involve spraying of chemicals. They could of course be "part of the conspiracy", but I don't know it. Let us see what we shall see. Speculation is 100% okay and presenting information of this kind is often limited to speculation as no hard evidence can be gleaned (especially if the spraying is done at high altitudes, little residue would make it to the ground to be gathered and tested). One simply cannot say what it is that is going on. Given our government's past activity I am inclined to believe that they ARE spraying us with something, as well as other not-so-noticeable things as well (like ELF, Micro-waves, etc.) BUT my inclination is NOT proof, thus we should reserve judgement on what is the truth. On Thu, 25 May 2000, nessie wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: And we don't know what else it is or isn't, either." You say this all the time about everything. And I'm almost always right. Post referred to - "the take off and landing weights of his planes suddenly did not correspond anymore with the amount of fuel used, meaning that something besides fuel was lost during those flights." Did you you personally weigh the plane? Neither did I. I'm willing to believe that some guy said the weights were different. I'm not willing to believe the weights were different without corroboration. are the commercial planes spraying something we don't know about? YES THEY ARE. WE DO KNOW . How do you know, because somebody told you? Or did you personally observe it happening and scientifically eliminate all other explanations for what you saw? Let me tell you what I know. Twice I have seen weird cross hatch contrail patterns over my city. We have three major airports here. Commercial airliners cross the sky here constantly. It is not at all unusual for me to see airliners overhead. Sometimes they leave contrails, usually they do not. It depends on atmospheric conditions. When they do leave contrails the contrails are always at pretty much the same altitude. There are seldom more than one to three at a time and while the are occasionally do cross each other they never form a dense cross hatch pattern at lower altitude like the two cross hatch patterns I reported. This has led me to believe that it highly unlikely that the weird crosshatch patterns I saw had anything whatsoever, natural or otherwise, to do with commercial airliners. That's what I know. I didn't see the planes that produced the weird cross hatch patterns. Though I consider it unlikely, it is entirely conceivable that the planes resemble commercial airliners. They may even be the same makes and models, though I doubt it highly. That, however, does not make them commercial airliners. Commercial airliners do not behave that way. Commercial airliners never fly relatively low over the city in a cross hatch pattern, ever. Such totally anomalous behavior would surely have drawn great attention. We see commercial airliners all the time. The always behave the same way. They climb and they leave the area in a relatively straight line or they descend and then land. They never fly cross-hatches low over the city. They tend to not fly directly over the city at all because that's not where the airports are. This whole thing puts me in mind of the whole unmarked black helicopter flap. I've heard about them. I've seen picture of what has been reputed to be unmarked black helicopters. These are not good enough reasons for me to believe people are flying unmarked black helicopters. So I studiously avoided telling people that unmarked black helicopters were flying in our skies. I did however tell people about the reports and the pictures, neither of which amounted to my being able to truthfully say that unmarked black helicopters fly in our skies. They could just as likely be accounted for by lies and by Photoshop. However, I personally have twice seen unmarked black helicopters with my own eyes. The first time I was out in the country in Northern California. I saw two unmarked black helicopters circling a remote farm house at extremely low altitude. Since it was a Saturday, I guessed that they were police marijuana raiders who were making a little money on their day off by taping over their tail numbers, removing their badges and stealing marijuana for themselves. This happens fairly often around here. I figured it was a very good time for me to be somewhere else and I prudently left the area immediately. The second time I saw unmarked black helicopters, three were flying very low
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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Given our government's past activity I am inclined to believe that they ARE spraying us with something Me too. They've done it before. They have the means and the motive. However, while thay have sprayed us in the past, it hasn't been that often. On the other hand, they lie to us every single day. It's thier primary means of control. We must not discount the possibility that what's happening here is a massive psy-op. Let's not let ourselves be stampeded. Remember how our ancestors used fire to hunt. The smoke from the torches would spook the herd which would then flee over the cliff. It's a very old tactic. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky?
In a message dated 5/25/00 9:21:39 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is too much of people wondering if some authority has a qualification and dismissing something for lack of verified evidence. There is no time for that. I know I have no time for that. I weigh what I see, what I read, what I experience, and try to put the most logical scenario together. I'm cautious to use words like 'my opinion' and 'my belief'. I'm not arguing in a court of law, I'm just trying to figure things out. I thought that's why we were here on this list in the first place. That's why I'm here. Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky?
TIme to recycle this. -Original Message- From: Steve Wingate [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, 5 November 1999 07:31 Subject: [CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky? --- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:41:49 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[starfriends] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky? This morning Art Bell had a guest on his show named William Thomas. He is a chemtrail investigator who lives in Aspen, Colorado. At one point in the chilling discussion, Thomas said he'd received an e-mail from a man who said he was a former NOAA (National Ocean and Atmospheric Agency?) pilot. This man wrote that, in retrospect, at the beginning of the chemtrail mystery that the "happy faces" of the meteorologists who had until that time been his passengers were suddenly replaced by dour, unsmiling and non talkative "meteorologists" and that the take off and landing weights of his planes suddenly did not correspond anymore with the amount of fuel used, meaning that something besides fuel was lost during those flights. This pilot intimated that the chemtrails are really a CIA mind kontrol operation, the purpose of which is to make the sprayed populations confused, depressed, a bit sick and enervated and thereby submissive and lacking crucial analytic capacities. Stated purpose? To kontrol targeted populations by making them more likely to be subservient to government officials during Y2K confusion and/or martial law. In addition, this is happening all around the world now. But in Amerika, Mr. Thomas stated that he believed forestry service planes had been moved out of that service and into the production of chemtrails which resulted in prolonged wildfires in the West this past summer due to the resulting lack of equipment to fight those fires from the sky. We must never forget that this chemtrail spraying is apparently NOT a part of some new directive! This kind of spraying has been going on in various modes now for over 50 years. This is all so damned mind boggling that I feel like I'm in a dream, like I'm in the twilight zone, like my country has been stolen away while I slept. Mr. Thomas' website can be found at http://www.islandnet.com/~wilco/ The attached 6K jpg of a jet obviously producing a chemtrail from its tail is from Contrail Connection - http://www.contrailconnection.com/ THIS IS AN EXCEL LENT WEBSITE with many pictures. Remember, planes dump fuel from their wings, not from their tails! Art Bell's chemtrail page - http://www.artbell.com/contrails.html What the hell is going on - because I think Art Bell is a part of a disinfo op himself. Or, is he a man in the middle? Brad Steve Wingate California Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL Anomalous Images and UFO Files http://www.anomalous-images.com tail1.JPG
Re: [CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky?
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: -Original Message- From: Steve Wingate [EMAIL PROTECTED] (snip) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (snip) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (snip) This morning Art Bell had a guest on his show named William Thomas. He is a chemtrail investigator who lives in Aspen, Colorado. At one point in the chilling discussion, Thomas said he'd received an e-mail from a man who said he was a former NOAA (National Ocean and Atmospheric Agency?) pilot. So let me get this straight. Nicky says that Steve says that ManBrad says that a guy on the Art Bell show says that he got an email from a guy he says is named Thomas who says some guys whose names we don't know but he claims were "meteorologists" made faces once so we're supposed to be scared the sky is falling. Yeah. OK. Sure. Maybe the sky is really falling. Hey, it could happen. But this is not evidence that the sky is falling. This is fifth-hand hearsay from people we have never even met. We have no proof whatsoever that any of them even exist. For all we know for certain they could all be literary creations, characters in some psycho-drama psy-op. Whatever they are, evidence they are not. Evidence they do not present. And if we can't learn how to tell the difference between hearsay and evidence, we are doomed to be herded like livestock for the rest of our lives. On the other hand, yeah, the government does do spray stuff in the air sometimes. For example: two miles from where I sit right now they once sprayed serratia marcescens into the air and infected the entire SF Bay Area. See: A High Form of Killing by Robert Harris and Jeremy Paxman, ISBN 0-8090-5471-x, p 156. So we cannot, and should not, dismiss out of hand the possibility that foul play is afoot here. But let's be rational and follow the basic rules of logic and evidence as we investigate the possibility. How would you, personally, like to be convicted in a court of law and then imprisoned on the basis of fifth-hand hearsay? I didn't think so. So please, show us some common courtesy here and don't attempt to imprison our minds in a cage of unsubstianted claims, wild rumors and disinformation. The government, and the entities the animate it, all have a long, thick, rich history of engaging in massive disinformation campaigns. Is the whole chemtrail affair a psy-op? We don't know yet. We may never know. And we don't know what else it is or isn't, either. But we do what hearsay is, don't we? I do. If you don't, go buy a goddam dictionary. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky?
I don't understand how the sickening aerial spraying is kept out of the 6 o'clock evening news. How? And why have no "scientists" taken up the topic. Which is worse, the media lid, or the aerial spraying. I've seen the chemtrails and I wasn't hallucinating! -- On Wed, 24 May 2000 05:49:04 nessie wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: -Original Message- From: Steve Wingate [EMAIL PROTECTED] (snip) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (snip) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (snip) This morning Art Bell had a guest on his show named William Thomas. He is a chemtrail investigator who lives in Aspen, Colorado. At one point in the chilling discussion, Thomas said he'd received an e-mail from a man who said he was a former NOAA (National Ocean and Atmospheric Agency?) pilot. So let me get this straight. Nicky says that Steve says that ManBrad says that a guy on the Art Bell show says that he got an email from a guy he says is named Thomas who says some guys whose names we don't know but he claims were "meteorologists" made faces once so we're supposed to be scared the sky is falling. Yeah. OK. Sure. Maybe the sky is really falling. Hey, it could happen. But this is not evidence that the sky is falling. This is fifth-hand hearsay from people we have never even met. We have no proof whatsoever that any of them even exist. For all we know for certain they could all be literary creations, characters in some psycho-drama psy-op. Whatever they are, evidence they are not. Evidence they do not present. And if we can't learn how to tell the difference between hearsay and evidence, we are doomed to be herded like livestock for the rest of our lives. On the other hand, yeah, the government does do spray stuff in the air sometimes. For example: two miles from where I sit right now they once sprayed serratia marcescens into the air and infected the entire SF Bay Area. See: A High Form of Killing by Robert Harris and Jeremy Paxman, ISBN 0-8090-5471-x, p 156. So we cannot, and should not, dismiss out of hand the possibility that foul play is afoot here. But let's be rational and follow the basic rules of logic and evidence as we investigate the possibility. How would you, personally, like to be convicted in a court of law and then imprisoned on the basis of fifth-hand hearsay? I didn't think so. So please, show us some common courtesy here and don't attempt to imprison our minds in a cage of unsubstianted claims, wild rumors and disinformation. The government, and the entities the animate it, all have a long, thick, rich history of engaging in massive disinformation campaigns. Is the whole chemtrail affair a psy-op? We don't know yet. We may never know. And we don't know what else it is or isn't, either. But we do what hearsay is, don't we? I do. If you don't, go buy a goddam dictionary. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance not soap-boxing please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory' with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Re: [CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky?
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I've seen the chemtrails and I wasn't hallucinating! I've seen 'em, too, twice. That doesn't mean I know what they are. Unlike some people, I have the common decency to not say that I do when I know that I don't. More importantly, I don't repeat hearsay and treat it as fact. As far as I'm concerned, doing that just plays into the hands of whoever is behind whatever they are. Twice this spring I have seen the famous cross-hatch pattern over the city of San Francisco. I've avoided writing about it so far because I don't want to contribute to confusion and growing hysteria and because i haven't figured out what the hell is happening with this. But I go outside every day a couple times a day to walk my dog and every day I look up at the sky. I am intimately familiar with the contrail patterns normally produced by traffic at our local airports. These cross-hatches were substantially different. The first one I saw from my bike as I was riding near the Panhandle of Golden Gate Park. It appeared to be over North Beach, downtown and Pacific Heights. This was last February. The second was a couple of weeks ago. I was on Ocean Beach, near Kelly's Cove. This second cross-hatch appeared to be over the Sunset district. I'm on that beach every single day and I've never seen anything like this before or since. At two of the contrail intersections a peculiarity of light took place. One was a patch of iridescent turquoise. The sky was a uniform, cloudless azure. The turquoise patch stood out prominently. The other anomaly, also at an intersection of two of the trails, was an iridescent brownish orange. Both were bright, clear and above all uniform, laser-like, single frequency colors. That's weird, thinks I immediately, that looks like somebody is shining lasers on those things. But I shut up about it till now because, like I said, I don't want to fan the hysteria, at least not till I'm sure what I'm talking about. I don't, but I'd very much like to. What did I see? Anybody care to venture a guess? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky?
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:41:49 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[starfriends] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky? This morning Art Bell had a guest on his show named William Thomas. He is a chemtrail investigator who lives in Aspen, Colorado. At one point in the chilling discussion, Thomas said he'd received an e-mail from a man who said he was a former NOAA (National Ocean and Atmospheric Agency?) pilot. This man wrote that, in retrospect, at the beginning of the chemtrail mystery that the "happy faces" of the meteorologists who had until that time been his passengers were suddenly replaced by dour, unsmiling and non talkative "meteorologists" and that the take off and landing weights of his planes suddenly did not correspond anymore with the amount of fuel used, meaning that something besides fuel was lost during those flights. This pilot intimated that the chemtrails are really a CIA mind kontrol operation, the purpose of which is to make the sprayed populations confused, depressed, a bit sick and enervated and thereby submissive and lacking crucial analytic capacities. Stated purpose? To kontrol targeted populations by making them more likely to be subservient to government officials during Y2K confusion and/or martial law. In addition, this is happening all around the world now. But in Amerika, Mr. Thomas stated that he believed forestry service planes had been moved out of that service and into the production of chemtrails which resulted in prolonged wildfires in the West this past summer due to the resulting lack of equipment to fight those fires from the sky. We must never forget that this chemtrail spraying is apparently NOT a part of some new directive! This kind of spraying has been going on in various modes now for over 50 years. This is all so damned mind boggling that I feel like I'm in a dream, like I'm in the twilight zone, like my country has been stolen away while I slept. Mr. Thomas' website can be found at http://www.islandnet.com/~wilco/ The attached 6K jpg of a jet obviously producing a chemtrail from its tail is from Contrail Connection - http://www.contrailconnection.com/ THIS IS AN EXCEL LENT WEBSITE with many pictures. Remember, planes dump fuel from their wings, not from their tails! Art Bell's chemtrail page - http://www.artbell.com/contrails.html What the hell is going on - because I think Art Bell is a part of a disinfo op himself. Or, is he a man in the middle? Brad Steve Wingate California Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL Anomalous Images and UFO Files http://www.anomalous-images.com tail1.JPG
