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Neil Francis writes, But if - say - 70% of the country find it distasteful
- does it become reasonable to look at preventing that activity from being
engaged in?
This is a profoundly illiberal attitude, and a reminder of all the stuff
we've heard about gun
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The key to a prosperous economy lies in keeping taxes down and reducing
regulation and setting free the creative and hard working British people to
succeed in the world economy. Opportunity has to be spread to all. Britain
must be an open society in which
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I like Mathew Wright's plan for a united (and unifying) body. But I suspect
one of the unstated difficulties in the shooting world, in addition to the
chronic parochialism and dog-in-the-manger attitude of so many Brits, is that
of social class. Take the CA -
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The fact is that he didn't have a gun, he was armed with a brush, for God's
sake. In such circumstances just how reasonable is it for the poor guy to be
prosecuted for making a rhetorical threat to shoot some irritating teenagers?
What if he'd said, "Go away and
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EJ Totty writes, the foxes I knew when I was a kid, were a lot bigger than
the cats we had.
Correct me if I'm wrong EJ, but I suspect you're referring to the grey
(sorry, gray) fox, which is significantly bigger than our red fox. I know you
have the red ones
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Chris Gould's reminiscences of handling CCF weaponry at school remind me of
my own similar experience of the more rational attitude to firearms in the
1960s. We would collect our No.4s and the Bren from the Cadet Hut where they
were chained up, march down to the
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Jonathan writes,
I'm sure that foxes can and do eat pussy cats, but probably not very often,
not least because a big pussy can weigh the same as a fox - which are rather
slender, delicately built creatures under all that fur. Reminds me of a
friend who often
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As the Liberty (who they?) spokeswoman pointed out, Widdecombe has said
nothing new on self defence, merely done the usual political snow-job. This
is par for the course, for political "debate" between NuLab and the Tories,
because they have a cynical scam going
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Peter Kokalis related a particularly gruesome account of the use of the
Vulcan in his review of Dillon's minigun improvements in SOF,
Er, Jonathan S was referring to the Avro Vulcan bomber, Steve, not the
multi-barrel cannon... I too understood that the Vulcan raid
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I hope, IG, that you consider criminal evidence with more care than you do
some of the postings to this list!
1. Our US friend didn't try to "impose his values" on this country, he merely
drew a useful comparison between the rights of Americans and those of
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Though this has cropped up before on the list, the death of the trial judge,
Sir David Croom-Johnson, produced an interesting obituary in the Telegraph.
Extract:
...Waldorf had been a passenger in a mini travelling along a street in
Earl's Court when he was mistaken
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I am concerned that our friend in blue, IG, is becoming slightly jumpy. I
didn't imply, old chum, that 458 Win Mag (picky!) is a viable self-defence
round - unless it was for shooting a burglar's getaway vehicle, 'cos I dare
say it would penetrate an engine block - I
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Also this argument about only weak-minded people is utter crap as well,
anyone
can become a drug addict
Come on, Steve, you're in danger of getting a little personal here! There is
such a thing as the "addictive personality", identified a long time ago, and
it's
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If there were no firearms controls, then this individual would have been
able to continue to possess firearms without fear of any sanctions being
applied! He would still be here.
As Steve points out, IG, this fellow held firearms for 20 years or so anyway.
Let's
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any drug that has seriously harmful effects and is addictive should be
banned
I know it's tempting to agree with this, but the history of governments
banning things (including guns...) is a very sorry one. Reason invariably
flies out of the window, the rules are
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Kenneth, an excellent list, most of which I have not read but ought to
sometime. You mention John Masters's "Bugles And A Tiger", eminently readable
autobiography by a man who changed his life post-war, left the regular army,
and became a novelist living in the USA.
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Jeff, "Handgun" is an odd film - in colour BTW, not black white - because
it was made by a Brit director whose name (infuriatingly) escapes me but who
is distinctly on the "respectable liberal art-film" side of the fence as
opposed to mass-market Hollywood. It is
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Not hounding you, IG, but when you say, Total freedom of firearms means
that people like this would be free to have firearms. you miss the point,
which is that he WAS armed, and from what we know about him he would have
been armed without regard to the law - as are
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Jonathan writes, If we had a system that issued FAC's, or any type of
licence or privilege for that matter, based on the grounds that you didn't
like the look of someone then no one would get them.
That's what this comes down to - suggestions that X% of FAC
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What with the squirrels being given paramedic support at the roadside, and
the LACS wittering on about HM the Queen wringing the neck of a winged
pheasant, I'm in danger of coming on all Victor Meldrew-ish and asking what
this country is coming to... Really, it makes
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Obergrupenfuhrer (is that spelt right?)
No - you left out a "p" and the umlaut over the second "u". OK I'm being
pedantic - the real problem with your posting IG is that for someone who
(often accurately) highlights the irrelevance of others' postings, and their
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Norman Bassett writes, in the latest of his always-interesting reflections,
And I think it would be a big step forward if the UK police accepted that
they work for the public and not for the Home Office which trains them to
regard the public as creatures from
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Ho hum. Here we go again. Shooters v. police...
Listen IG, I'm sure most of us think you're a perfectly decent bloke - after
all, you go hunting, and clearly know a thing or two about ballistics, so you
can't be all bad - but you just have to realise that the
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Both Jonathan and Peter seem to have mixed views on the Ruger. My two
penn'orth is that I owned only one, a Ruger 77/Mk2 VBZ varmint job in 22-250,
and I too had mixed feelings. It was very well fitted and finished, with a
particularly nice stainless barrel - very
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While not wanting to belittle any genuine problem which might exist with the
Rem 700, or seem indifferent to the Barbers' tragic loss of their son, I have
to say that most of the accidents described in this report are clearly due to
faulty gun-handling. If a rifle
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This rings a bell. I once squired a lady - very briefly, until I found out
she was bonkers - who nearly had us off the road when she exclaimed, "Oh look
out, a squirrel!" and actually grabbed the steering wheel! After saving us
both from death or injury I said
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Thanks David for the load data, which I'll forward to my chum a.s.a.p.
Don't think me ungrateful, but the MV figures look a trifle modest, which is
a difficulty my chum has commented upon. I think the problem is that as a
relatively obscure cartridge published data
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A chum of mine has a rifle in 6.5 x 68, a custom varmint
job which he's put together to take to S.Africa as a
long-range baboon destroyer - Shilen barrel, Nightforce
NXS scope (800 bucks in US, not the 1150 quid demanded in
UK!), Jewell trigger and so on. He's left it
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Tom Charnock writes:
The clever bit is that the Parish had not noticed this was 2 1/2 months
after the close of the game season, and for sure neither had the Local
Council. But all of them now think of the local pheasant shoot as cowboys.
Well, Tom, that says it
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Right, let's settle this matter - a very quick search revealed an interesting
site (http://members.aol.com/knivesuk/law.htm) which suggests it was indeed
in 1959 that flick-knives were banned, largely as a result of the kind of
kneejerk moral panic with which
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pictures of the shooters
wives/husbands would be sent in as well as possibley
"Comedy pics" from shoting events (bloke picking nose,
drunken person in the bar afterwards, etc.)
I'm just wondering if people on the cybershooters list
would be interested in getting
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Unlike many of my fellow citizens I find myself neutral
regarding the Israelis and Palestinians. Spokesmen for
the latter make such wildly unrealistic demands
concerning the Israelis needing to pull out of Jerusalem
altogether (something they won't do 'til hell freezes
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I believe I read somewhere that the Martoranas originate
from Sicily. Perhaps the vicious no-brains who murdered
Mrs Martorana for a wristwatch should have checked this
out first...
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I entirely agree with Alex's suggestion that undiluted
hostility toward anti-noise (or anti-shooting) urban
incomers is unproductive, and that we should attempt
to educate them. Some of the objectors to clayshooting
noise have indeed been to my house for drinks, and met
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Whilst appreciating that, to anyone not interested
in the shooting sports, the events might seem as exciting
as watching paint dry - particularly the deliberate,
static target events
Yes, well, my long-standing interest in the shooting
sports doesn't extend to a
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Shooters are right to doubt the appropriateness of
voting LibDem - they say one thing (all sorts of
things in fact, they're very talkative) and do another.
Just remember that despite their protestations of
open-mindedness about things such as fox-hunting, when
in power
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Nick Royall writes:
stop whinging unless to (sic) are going to take up
accountancy as well as shooting then you will know what
establishment costs and EOQ's are and then you will do
the decent thing and buy hundreds of guns each and
thousands of bolt on bits for them.
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Whenever I come across things like this I can't help
thinking of my grandfather, who grew up in rural
Shropshire in the late 19th century. Guns were at
least as much a part of rural life as it is suggested
they are now in NZ, and I'm sure if any teacher had
tried to
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Steve - this subject is not as off-topic as some might think, since the
process of covering our road network with cameras has parallels with firearms
legislation. As with the latter, people-control by speed camera has a curious
history, unstated agendas, and is
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A crowd favorite was the Sig-Sauer P220 0.45 millimeter
automatic handgun
Love it! An automatic weapon in .45 mm! Just right for the
plague of wasps currently afflicting us...
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I am delighted to be able to agree with Neil Francis, for once. The very idea
of government by constant plebiscite is horrifying, since it would be the
antithesis of democracy - if you believe that "democracy" should mean pretty
much the same thing as "free society".
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re. Tony Martin:
It's a pity he was not a drug smuggler or
part of an Easter agreement he might be let out. writes Graham Gartshore.
And more specifically, it's a pity he wasn't the former commander of the
Belfast Brigade of the Provisional IRA, and a current
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Trivial Pursuit, cont'd - the latest action movie my wife has had to produce
translated subtitles for was called The Delta Force, an enjoyable piece of
mindless fun with villains getting blown away by the score, though not up to
Red Dawn I fear. Who should I see in
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Ask an obscure question, get an obscure answer... I know
very little about armour, but here are two companies who
advertise in Heritage magazine:
Battle Orders, 01323 485182
Museum Replicas Ltd UK, 0845 6021905
I've sometimes wondered how on earth they kept chain
mail
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If I'd known the amount of time my fellow Cybershooters would devote to
assisting with my terminology problem, I might not have posted the query!
Many thanks to all who have helped, not least to Alex's friend in Colorado.
The original difficulty was the weird
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