Re: The Crypto State

2001-04-24 Thread Ken Brown
Ray Dillinger wrote: [...that he wasn't talking about anarchy...] The only real difference is that the functions of government are distributed instead of being vested in particular people. Which is pretty near a definition of anarchy according to my anarchist friends. [...] Bell's AP

RE: Making the Agora Vanish

2001-04-24 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, James A. Donald wrote: When I visited Cuba, I found that all the telephones accessible to an ordinary cuban, or at least all the ones that I encountered, had a man with a gun nearby, conspicuously visible to the person making the call, and in one case someone with headphones

Recording conversations and the laws of men

2001-04-24 Thread Tim May
At 10:27 AM -0700 4/24/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (commenting on Aimee's words) It sounds to me like you are suggesting gutting the threat models that should be used during the design phase of any communication system. You are implying that if there's a legal way of saying that something may

RE: The anarchies my destination...

2001-04-24 Thread Aimee Farr
Tim mysteriously leaves out the part when he was targeted for radicalisation by certain third-parties. *only kidding* before I am accused of trying to trigger a raid. You say tomatoe...they say tomhatoe. You say needs killin'...they say needs raidin'... ~Aimee Tim May wrote: And I really

Comm

2001-04-24 Thread mmotyka
AF Wrote: Further, I don't think individuals owe any obligation to the law as to the participants, form, content or retention of private communications. Recognizing that the law does not agree with you, that's a valid opinion. I don't think that the law requires me to make all

RE: Right to anon. speech online upheld in US district court

2001-04-24 Thread Aimee Farr
John Young wrote: Aimee Farr spun: I spin, you lyre. Finally, the law has an impressive track record, in stark contrast to 'crypto-anarchy.' This caught me a nudder fish. I'm going into my reinforced steel shark cage, 'cause this tells Mr. Big Fish could be behind him (Tim is like

Re: The anarchies my destination...

2001-04-24 Thread Ray Dillinger
On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Tim May wrote: And I really did not get started on this path toward crypto anarchy because I was _seeking_ anarchy as some sort of utopian fantasy. In fact, I had largely moved away from politics by the mid-70s, and was not very political in the 1987-88 period when I

Re: Wendy Grossman: From Anarchy to Power: The Net Comes of Age

2001-04-24 Thread Tim May
At 6:16 PM -0400 4/24/01, Matthew Gaylor wrote: From: Jon Lebkowsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Wendy Grossman Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 19:56:22 -0600 Shameless plug: I'm interviewing Wendy Grossman in Inkwell.vue on the WELL. You can read the interview at:

Re: Amtrak The War On Drugs

2001-04-24 Thread Tim May
At 3:55 PM -0800 4/24/01, Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote: On 24 Apr 2001, at 11:02, Ken Brown wrote: You need phone numbers to buy train tickets? Why? Since when? The USA may be a wonderful country but over here where we we employ I believe in the original story the fellow bought a train from

Trolling

2001-04-24 Thread mmotyka
Well, suffice it to say that there are a lot of clearly special cases. And suffice it to say that if we drop probation, financial exchanges and corporate topics and stick with conversations ( information exchanges ) between ordinary individuals all is well but keep pushing the technology since

RE: Trolling....(((((aluger)))))

2001-04-24 Thread Aimee Farr
? aluger, in gentlemanly defense, wrote: ?? aluger, because he is a big damn hotshot showoff, wrote: ??? aluger, preemptively, in defense of his buddy, wrote: At Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:08:17 -0700, Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 1:11 PM -0500 4/24/01, Aimee Farr wrote: Mike said, quoting

RE: Amtrak The War On Drugs

2001-04-24 Thread Aimee Farr
BTW, I need a gray travel consultant. Lemme know if anybody knows of one. Will accept salt-and-pepper gray. ~Aimee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim May Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:

Re: Amtrak The War On Drugs

2001-04-24 Thread Tim May
At 5:20 PM -0700 4/24/01, David Honig wrote: At 11:02 AM 4/24/01 +0100, Ken Brown wrote: and burn a million cows on pyres of used tyres and railway sleepers (they are thinking of using napalm to save money) The chemicals in the materials you're using for your pyres are poisoning the locals

RE: Amtrak The War On Drugs

2001-04-24 Thread Phillip H. Zakas
Tim May concludes: Those in other countries should not sit back and smirk. France, Germany, and Japan are already far along in their march to statism. Kanada is catching up. And don't forget the dutch with their shiny new face iris scans embedded within immigrant identity cards. of course

RE: Right to anon. speech online upheld in US district court

2001-04-24 Thread Aimee Farr
Choate: On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Aimee Farr wrote: First, the law can be used to the advantage of aforesaid 'technological means,' often giving hints. For example, somewhat in the context of this discussion, it seems possible to have electronic communication that does not imply

Re: Right to anon. speech online upheld in US district court

2001-04-24 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 03:08:19PM -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: This caught me a nudder fish. I'm going into my reinforced steel shark cage, 'cause this tells Mr. Big Fish could be behind him (Tim is like those three sharks with memory in that Deep Blue Sea movie.) Aimee, I like you, I really

Re: The Crypto State

2001-04-24 Thread Declan McCullagh
Yep. Brands' book is out from MIT Press, so it's even accessible. (Well, relatively accessible; I keep planning on finishing it RSN.) For someone to ask on cypherpunks for pointers to basic crypto concepts and ignoring reading lists is like someone posting to a political mailing list and asking

Re: Amtrak The War On Drugs

2001-04-24 Thread Declan McCullagh
No argument here. I recall a lot of this was in the '96 legislative session, especially the summer. I have some articles on the topic archived at www.eff.org/pub/Publications/Declan_McCullagh -Declan On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:34:44AM +1000, Ralph Wallis wrote: On Tuesday, 24 Apr 2001 at

Re: Amtrak The War On Drugs

2001-04-24 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 06:43:20PM -0700, Tim May wrote: From our perspective, it will show the foolishness of government overreaction (ordering a million animals to be slaughtered and burned with tires and old pressure-treated lumber railroad ties). Good summary. Here's an ENS report:

Re: The Well-Read Cypherpunk [ Samuelson-bashing ]

2001-04-24 Thread Bill Stewart
At 09:08 AM 04/22/2001 -0700, Tim May wrote: I haven't found Samuelson's textbook useful for any of the interesting discussions of markets, black markets, offshore havens, ... I used Samuelson's textbooks to study micro and macro in college. *Terrible*! Badly written, verbose, not structured

RE: Right to anon. speech online upheld in US district court

2001-04-24 Thread Aimee Farr
Declan wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 03:08:19PM -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: This caught me a nudder fish. I'm going into my reinforced steel shark cage, 'cause this tells Mr. Big Fish could be behind him (Tim is like those three sharks with memory in that Deep Blue Sea movie.)

Re: The Well-Read Cypherpunk

2001-04-24 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, April 24, 2001, at 09:21 AM, Bill Stewart wrote: Perhaps the field has changed since I was in college, but back then, academic econometrics had the reputation of being dominated by Marxists - the more-Scientific Socialists who understood that if you want a centrally planned

Re: Fake Child Porn

2001-04-24 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 09:27:10PM -0700, Tim May wrote: If this becomes law, it will be a case of pure thoughtcrime. No victims, no aggression against another person, no actual people. Just thoughtcrime. It is law, actually. Passed in 1996, with the Bruce Taylors of the world testifying in