Re: CDR: Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-25 Thread Alif The Terrible
On 24 Feb 2003, Tom Veil wrote: You're sounding more and more like a LEO troll. If I was a LEO, would I have called for the killing of gun-grabbing LEOs in a recent Usenet post? Oh, the irony... -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minoritie s

2003-02-24 Thread John Kelsey
At 10:31 AM 2/24/03 +, Vincent Penquerc'h wrote: ... Now, I may have left my clue home, so feel free to explain *why* 100% capitalism (eg no state left, no other power) could never end up with power aggregation. I don't think you can *ever* prove a claim like that, since you're dealing with

RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minoritie s

2003-02-24 Thread Vincent Penquerc'h
Title: RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minoritie s Too much capitalism is as bad as too much communism. That's semantically equivalent to saying that too much economics is as bad as too much totalitarianism... Too much liberty is as bad as too much

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-24 Thread Tom Veil
Harmon Seaver wrote on February 21, 2003 at 20:40:51 -0600: On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 11:10:11PM -, Tom Veil wrote: If you would trade Castro for Bush, you're either a totalitarian monster, or simply insane. Bush is obviously both. He's neither. I tend to think he's a well-meaning

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless

2003-02-23 Thread jayh
Some years ago my brother-in-law tried to take advantage of benefits because of his surname 'Diaz' (he was half Mexican). That didn't fly because he apparently was just too 'American' (native English speaker, etc). jay On 21 Feb 2003 at 16:55, Bill Stewart wrote: A number of years ago, a

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minoritie s

2003-02-23 Thread James A. Donald
-- James A. Donald Highly capitalist nations do not murder millions. On 21 Feb 2003 at 17:09, David Howe wrote: but their highly capitalist companies sometimes do. Don't be silly. You have been reading too much Lenin. --digsig James A. Donald

RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless

2003-02-21 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Vincent Penquerc'h wrote: Capitalism would only work if people weren't ready to fuck others like communism would work too for the same reasons. Like anarchy. You're assuming a static agent model. Iterative interactions of smart mutually identifyable agents would trend

RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless

2003-02-21 Thread Vincent Penquerc'h
Yeah, and too much freedom is as bad as too much slavery. Right, bub. Capitalism would only work if people weren't ready to fuck others like communism would work too for the same reasons. Like anarchy. Like anything. Depending on the time, I tend to lean either towards anarchy or towards

RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless

2003-02-21 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Vincent Penquerc'h wrote: But other people might be encline to tag along anyway. A reputation No, because unless someone signs your stuff of their free will they'd have to extract a secret (ideally) lodged in a tamperproof hardware token, or break the cryptosystem, or

RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless

2003-02-21 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Vincent Penquerc'h wrote: You're assuming a static agent model. Iterative interactions of smart mutually identifyable agents would trend towards increasingly benign cooperation. That in turn assumes that the population is homogeneous. There is Not at all. Of course

RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless

2003-02-21 Thread Vincent Penquerc'h
You're assuming a static agent model. Iterative interactions of smart mutually identifyable agents would trend towards increasingly benign cooperation. That in turn assumes that the population is homogeneous. There is overwhelming probability that a group will form around some people, who

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minoritie s

2003-02-21 Thread David Howe
at Friday, February 21, 2003 4:44 PM, James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: Highly capitalist nations do not murder millions. but their highly capitalist companies sometimes do. is this a meaningful distinction?

RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless

2003-02-21 Thread Vincent Penquerc'h
But other people might be encline to tag along anyway. A reputation No, because unless someone signs your stuff of their free [...] I'm not looking at this on a crypto POV, but from a human nature POV. my trust level is around zero. If I've been glowingly endorsed by other nyms in good

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless

2003-02-21 Thread Bill Stewart
At 09:48 PM 02/18/2003 -0500, Major Variola (ret) wrote: MEChA is mostly about keeping college admission standards lower for South American-derived wannabe students[1]. [...] [1] Not hispanics; they don't care about Iberians A number of years ago, a friend of my boss had been passed over for

RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minoritie s

2003-02-21 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 20 Feb 2003 at 16:09, Vincent Penquerc'h wrote: Ah yeah, the good old front against communists. Some people haven't learned that political views aren't what makes one a bastard. Commies *must* be bad, you see ? Too much capitalism is as bad as too much communism. Highly capitalist

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-21 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 11:10:11PM -, Tom Veil wrote: If you would trade Castro for Bush, you're either a totalitarian monster, or simply insane. Bush is obviously both. In any case, I've added you to my blacklist. Interesting that you have to speak from behind a remailer.

Re: CDR: Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless

2003-02-21 Thread Eric Cordian
Bill Stewart wrote: He was a Puerto Rican whose native language was Spanish (he was bilingual), but his name was something like Fred Mueller, so he failed the Spanish-Surnamed definition used by the bureaucrats. This reminds me of a black acquaintance of mine whose last name was Garcia. This

RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-21 Thread Mike Rosing
On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, James A. Donald wrote: Highly capitalist nations do not murder millions. That's because they make better slaves than fertilizer. The real trick is to make the slaves think they have a great deal, then the controllers get more power and less trouble. Unfortunately, this

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-21 Thread Tom Veil
Tyler Durden wrote on February 17, 2003 at 20:53:14 -0500: Tim Veil wrote... Because the money that is given to them through these unconstitutional federal gravy-train programs was stolen from me, and millions of other taxpayers at gunpoint. Again, I'm not sure why this results in rancor

RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minoritie s

2003-02-21 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 4:09 PM + on 2/20/03, Vincent Penquerc'h wrote: Too much capitalism is as bad as too much communism. That's semantically equivalent to saying that too much economics is as bad as too much totalitarianism... Cheers, RAH Capitalism, being, of course, Marxist argot for economics... --

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-21 Thread Tom Veil
Harmon Seaver wrote on February 20, 2003 at 12:55:08 -0600: On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 12:13:45PM -, Tom Veil wrote: Harmon Seaver wrote on February 19, 2003 at 19:20:19 -0600: On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 11:19:11PM +0100, Anonymous wrote: After scanning hyperpoem.net, we've decided

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-20 Thread Tom Veil
Harmon Seaver wrote on February 19, 2003 at 19:20:19 -0600: On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 11:19:11PM +0100, Anonymous wrote: After scanning hyperpoem.net, we've decided to blacklist you for your far left-wing, socialist views, the quote from Ayn Rand notwithstanding. -- Tom Veil

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-20 Thread Tyler Durden
Any idea of why the fucker started up with the punching? As I remember, Schear described himself as 5'2 at the time. Those that feel powerless normally look for someone to have power over. -TD From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Veil) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The burn-off of twenty

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-20 Thread Steve Schear
At 10:50 AM 2/20/2003 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: Any idea of why the fucker started up with the punching? I did turn around in line-up and ask the student why he was punching me and to stop. He simply gave me a smug grin and continued. As I remember, Schear described himself as 5'2 at the

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-20 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 12:13:45PM -, Tom Veil wrote: Harmon Seaver wrote on February 19, 2003 at 19:20:19 -0600: On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 11:19:11PM +0100, Anonymous wrote: After scanning hyperpoem.net, we've decided to blacklist you for your far left-wing, socialist views, the

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-20 Thread Tyler Durden
of thought answers all of the questions and problems: Right, Left, Libertarian...anyone's fulla shit if he he accepted a Program lock, stock, and barrel. From: Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Cardenas
You're a fucking racist. If you can't understand why black and latino pride is necessary after centuries of murderous oppression, the pick up a book. Things may have been more violent in the 70's, but thats great. Some people think that revolutions don't happen by sitting behind a keyboard.

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 11:03 AM, Tim May wrote: Many of them switched dorm rooms around, resulting in de facto creation of segregated dorm halls. White students avoided these ghettoes, for good reason. (I interviewed in 1971 for a R.A. (resident assistant) position, to help with

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Ken Brown
Kevin S. Van Horn wrote: Tyler Durden wrote: Black leadership is one potential issue here, but the other ethnic groups that do so well in the US have no identifiable leaders here. Which is precisely why those ethnic groups do so well, while U.S. blacks do not. The value of leaders

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Kevin S. Van Horn
Tim May wrote: It goes beyond just the black leaders thing--it's also about black pride. My eye-opening experience was my arrival in college (as Brits would say, at university) in 1970. Well, this post explains a lot about Tim's attitude. Myself, I never ran into this kind of crap in

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Kevin S. Van Horn
Tim May wrote: Swahili was the language they took to meet the minimal foreign language requirements. This sounds like the one worthwhile course in the bunch. One may learn a foreign language in order to be able to read important literary, historical, philosophical, or scientific works in

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 04:43 PM, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote: Tim May wrote: It goes beyond just the black leaders thing--it's also about black pride. My eye-opening experience was my arrival in college (as Brits would say, at university) in 1970. Well, this post explains a lot

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Tyler Durden
Tim May wrote... It was clear to me at the time that the focus on black pride was destructive of _real_ pride. Against my better judgement, I find myself agreeing with this statement on one level. However, it should be noted that the Black Pride movement of the late 60s and early 70s was a

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless

2003-02-19 Thread Major Variola (ret)
Cardenas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MEChA is not a gang, they're an important part of helping lots of young people to be concious of their own heritage. MEChA is mostly about keeping college admission standards lower for South American-derived wannabe students[1]. This has recently gotten

Re: CDR: Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters andminorities

2003-02-19 Thread Alif The Terrible
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Tyler Durden wrote: In the 80s I worked in one of the toughest High Schools in the country, in Brooklyn. During the late 60 and early seventies I briefly attended IS44 in New York City. This was one of the schools over which Al Shanker's teachers went on strike for

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Kevin S. Van Horn
Tim May wrote: In the past fifteen years I have come to realize that crypto anarchy will probably change all this, as it makes for a system where only a competent elite does well. Probably fifty million marginal Americans, including nearly all of the so-called peoples of color, will, one

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread John Bethencourt
On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 08:04:14PM -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: Yeah, no kidding. Lot's of kids brought guns to school when I was in highschool. Kids that lived in the country would hunt before school, catch the schoolbus, with their rifle or shotgun in a case, of course, and put it in

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Kevin S. Van Horn
Tyler Durden wrote: Was this black people's fault? Nah. It's all of our fault. Bullshit. I had nothing to do with it. Collective guilt only dilutes responsibility and ensures that pathological behavior continues. Let me suggest some specific groups of people who are responsible: - The

Re: CDR: Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Alif The Terrible
-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities You're a fucking racist. If you can't understand why black and latino pride is necessary after centuries of murderous oppression, the pick up a book. Things may have been more violent in the 70's, but thats great. Some people think

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Steve Schear
At 06:43 PM 2/18/2003 -0600, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote: Tim May wrote: It goes beyond just the black leaders thing--it's also about black pride. My eye-opening experience was my arrival in college (as Brits would say, at university) in 1970. Well, this post explains a lot about Tim's attitude.

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Steve Schear
At 03:00 PM 2/19/2003 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: Steve Schear and Tim May mention some interesting incidents. In Steve Schear's case, there's a mysterious absence of response: No one asked me about him, I never saw him again and none of the students said a word. Several days later three of

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread david
On Tuesday 18 February 2003 20:16, Bill wrote: At 5:53 PM -0800 2/17/03, Tyler Durden wrote: Any kid coming to school with a knife or gun gets thrown out, period. Gee, when I was in high school, I was on the high school rifle team. I still have the varsity letter with the crossed rifles on

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Tom Veil
Steve Schear wrote on February 19, 2003 at 12:23: (snipped] As was the regimen then, the class would line up before and after activities to check attendance, then we would shower. To help the instructor the lineup order was fixed. It so happened that the student behind me was one of those

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 11:19:11PM +0100, Anonymous wrote: After scanning hyperpoem.net, we've decided to blacklist you for your far left-wing, socialist views, the quote from Ayn Rand notwithstanding. -- Tom Veil What the fuck are you talking about? Neither you nor anyone else

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Anonymous
Cardenas wrote on February 18, 2003 at 15:02: You're a fucking racist. I didn't see anything in his post that was indicative of an inherent belief in the superiority of any particular race. If you can't understand why black and latino pride is necessary after centuries of murderous

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-19 Thread Tyler Durden
Steve Shear and Tim May mention some interesting incidents. In Steve Shear's case, there's a mysterious absence of response: No one asked me about him, I never saw him again and none of the students said a word. Several days later three of his friends tried to jump me I never saw them

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-17 Thread Kevin S. Van Horn
Tyler Durden wrote: Black leadership is one potential issue here, but the other ethnic groups that do so well in the US have no identifiable leaders here. Which is precisely why those ethnic groups do so well, while U.S. blacks do not. The value of leaders is vastly overrated in American

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-17 Thread Tom Veil
Harmon Seaver wrote on January 31, 2003 at 11:03: On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 10:59:02PM -, Tom Veil wrote: Tim May wrote on January 22, 2003 at 00:55: I expect 20 million to die. Fortunately, 18 million of them will be the usual Democrat, Commies, welfare recipients, negro activists,

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities

2003-02-17 Thread Tyler Durden
Tim Veil wrote... Because the money that is given to them through these unconstitutional federal gravy-train programs was stolen from me, and millions of other taxpayers at gunpoint. Again, I'm not sure why this results in rancor towards those receiving such funds. It's not like black folks

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities is aQ

2003-01-31 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 10:59:02PM -, Tom Veil wrote: Tim May wrote on January 22, 2003 at 00:55: I expect 20 million to die. Fortunately, 18 million of them will be the usual Democrat, Commies, welfare recipients, negro activists, and Socialist fellow travellers. The other two

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities is aQ

2003-01-29 Thread Tom Veil
Tim May wrote on January 22, 2003 at 00:55: I expect 20 million to die. Fortunately, 18 million of them will be the usual Democrat, Commies, welfare recipients, negro activists, and Socialist fellow travellers. The other two million will be the Bushies. And proably most of the remaining Jews

Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities is about tobegin

2003-01-22 Thread Tyler Durden
Tim May wrote... Ain't gonna be a lot of negroes and Mexicans after this war is over. (I'm not a racist. It's their leaders and their ideology that is to blame. These leaders have led their followers to acts which cannot be forgiven, and which must be punished by death. Nearly all of them need

RE: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities is about to begin

2003-01-22 Thread Trei, Peter
Tim May[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [...] But we're NOT apathetic about this. Many of us have acquired the usual assault rifles, May I suggest calling them Homeland Defense Rifles? You're in CA. What's your take on the registration requirements that came into force this year? [...] --Tim