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one run, so that shouldn't matter?
I will refrain from repeating what Tollef wrote, but read it again
anyway. Apt neither unpacks nor configures packages; it uses dpkg for
that.
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/is not the solution
(without proposing alternatives method)
Now you have a third reply: Explain why people should care, and
someone might actually start caring.
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folder to /tmp and
*then* try to move it to the final destination, usually in a home
directory on another partition. :-( (I haven't checked whether this
happens in sarge's mutt too).
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for a maildir. It won't help you for mbox folders. Which kind
of was the point, as I understand it.
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Scripsit Lucas Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 02/27/2005 11:15 PM, Henning Makholm wrote:
Now you have a third reply: Explain why people should care, and
someone might actually start caring.
The core idea of dehs (as I understand it) is to keep track of
[snip explanation]
But why did I have
able to test anything
himself.
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Scripsit Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 12:58:15AM +, Henning Makholm wrote:
I don't think there can be much argument that anything that Provides
c-compiler also has to make sure that standard header files like
stdio.h or unistd.h are present on the system
modules. On the other
hand I have no idea what would be involved in checking this, so it
might be probitively difficult.
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-compiler, but that does not help with
I need to compile $userspace package if $userspace package does not
happen to require any third-party libraries.
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Scripsit Joel Aelwyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 09:17:55PM +, Henning Makholm wrote:
But can one get a C compiler at all (at least a Debian-supplied one)
without also pulling in an appropriate libc-dev? I would think
that I need to compile $userspace package *did* require
of good conffile update management, or would you still prefer the
separate files way if dpkg magically gained a well-tested and stable
conflict resolution scheme with bells, whistles, and 3-way merges?
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changed that to look in /etc instead, which makes the
configuration mechanism in Debian substantially different from
upstream's. You may find this annoying, frustrating and confusing, but
it's how Debian operates.
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aware of the problem.
[1] Well, such as it is. As long as one does not get oneself in more
trouble by trying to use the module against a different kernel
build, the warning message at load time seems to be all that
happens.
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Scripsit John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Henning Makholm writes:
I maintain one package whose upstream author apparently thought that
$PATH would be a good place to look for a system-wide configuration
file. I changed that to look in /etc instead, which makes the
configuration mechanism
Scripsit A Mennucc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
debianizer - isn't there a debian/rules way to do this now?
no way at all
Yes way. See debian/rules get-orig-source in policy.
Rest of reply in debian-legal. Why are you posting the same thing
separately to two different lists?
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with the offending
files removed from it, but keep the rest of the .orig.tar.gz
unchanged. Debian changes and package infrastructure should still go
in a .diff.gz, and the package version should consist of an upstream
version with a separate Debian revision.
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of the
structure of the project.
Afterwards, subscribe to relevant mailing lists, participate in
discussions, read the BTS lists for the packages you're interested in,
fix bugs and forward fixes to the BTS, et cetera.
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not to escalate flamewars) to count?
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, or we have a FHS violation.
Hm, I would have guessed /etc - what am I missing?
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a couple dozen strips. Therefore it cannot
reasonably be described as porn, although one would probably be
justified in calling it offensive due to the general taboo breaking.
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in
general (I do know where to point my anger at when it doesn't, but in
those casses libc has never been involved). If sarge's libc6 were
*not* backwards compatible, it would have been called libc7.
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Scripsit Stephen Frost
* Henning Makholm ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
In summary: Yes, one could probably work around the lack of versions
in the -dev packages name, but the result would be (in my view)
significantly less elegant than having it there.
Trying to support unsupported versions
Scripsit Thomas Bushnell BSG
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is anybody advocating that we should try to support unsupported
versions of libraries? I'm certainly not.
Sure! That's what libc5 is.
I'm not aware of even having mentioned libc5 in this thread (and I
don't remember
Scripsit Thomas Bushnell BSG
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Scripsit Thomas Bushnell BSG
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is anybody advocating that we should try to support unsupported
versions of libraries? I'm certainly not.
Sure! That's what libc5
(with exception of configure cycles) beeing able to give
them in whatever sequence as one is pleased to do.
Nobody is suggesting that there should not be an option to override
the default check for users (or front ends) who know what they are
doing.
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in the postinst phase.
I can certainly accept and anticipate the objection that that would
be difficult to implement, and nobody has cared to, but I still don't
see why such a behavior would be *wrong*, per se.
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Scripsit Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 19:37 +, Henning Makholm wrote:
Scripsit Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Do you *really* think that RTFM means Go read the documentation,
that's what it's for?
Yes, that's what it means.
http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/R
than with the modules not unpacked at
all? I fail to imagine any situation where that could be the case.
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Scripsit Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 11:47:57PM +, Henning Makholm wrote:
Does it also apply to signing .dsc's?
The archive scripts won't act on an uploaded .dsc without an accompanying
.changes file, so this is not an issue. Moreover, signing your .dsc
to signing .dsc's?
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since for him the intestines would fully suffice.
that is able to function if the firmware is already loaded by some
other means does not itself require the firmware. I know what I
think about such opinions, but the fact is that they are held by some,
and in at least some cases probably sincerely.
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Henning Makholm wrote:
Scripsit Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That would, however, cover firmware and wind up sending X to
contrib. So maybe: ... iff it is stored on the local machine's file
system.
That would be my *intuitive
loaders, to declare
more than a Suggests: against an alternative BIOS. That would just
bloat the user's file system without gaining him anything.
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received their
| email, allowing them to click to deliver it. Meanwhile, they only
| sit in the queue for an hour if they can't be delivered.
Sigh.
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.
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all I meant was that he likes to have a bang everywhere.
Scripsit Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Meanwhile, what's
the total installed space for glastree if you're not a Perl lover?
Perl-base is 'Proirity: required' and 'Essential: yes'. It doesn't
even have to be depended on.
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four when googling for callwave
remove (without quotes).
I still wonder what the people posting here are thinking, though. If
they are thinking at all, that is.
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procedure statement
is to allow the sysadmin to control who
gets the privilege of using pmount.
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this.
IAARODL. If the DFSG-free part cannot be distributed without the
non-DFSG-free parts, then it was never DFSG-free in the first place.
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it by running a configure script.
Some minor typos, most certainly originally made by me:
officially distributed to the upstream author: s/to/by/
non-DFGS-free material: s/GS/SG/
the latter two points it to let: s/it/is/
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to give his
software a non-generic name] or something like that.
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Kulturministeriets side sørger for at fremsende tallene og også
Scripsit Sven Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Henning Makholm [u] wrote on 11/10/2004 20:22:
[volatile.debian.org]
Security fixes should be handled by security.d.o.
Perhaps yes, perhaps no.
Security fixes *to* packages already in volatile is a grey area, yes.
I thought I was talking about
Scripsit paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 07:22:15PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
Scripsit paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To be fair, the issue is that if were just rules, there wouldn't
be a need.
Why not?
Well, the argument goes:
that can be done out-of-band
Scripsit paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 03:05:05PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
But isn't volatile.d.o supposed to *be* the out-of-band mechanism
(whatever out-of-band means here)?
No. clamav virus signatures, for example, can be maintained by a program,
freshclam
Scripsit Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Price for Commercial Software:
Cost: several hundreds dollar and vendor lock-in
And even more if one wants legit copies.
Membership has its privedleges!
Which? No membership is required.
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than that - no thanks.
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just the thought of it's enough to make you sick
Scripsit paddy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 05:06:21PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
A backport of a new Mozilla release is something vastly
different from new rules for a spam filter,
To be fair, the issue is that if were just rules, there wouldn't
be a need.
Why not? I
Scripsit George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Monday 11 October 2004 19:18, Henning Makholm wrote:
The definition of mail-transport-agent is that it provides a
/usr/sbin/sendmail that local software can use to submit emails for
delivery to arbitrary addresses with some reasonable
it as a sendmail alternative, just like
nullmailer or ssmtp or other ones...
Nullmailer is simply a way to deliver mail to a remote SMTP
server. For example you cannot have it listening on port 25.
Nevertheless it quite correctly provides mail-transport-agent, and so
on.
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as such.
If it provides the same functionality as /usr/sbin/sendmail but with a
different command name, then somebody needs to explain why.
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som
Scripsit Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Some things are not so obvious:
Should volatile include updates of packages such as debian-keyring?
debian-policy and developers-reference?
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with other libraries using the same name, I think
Debian should provide the library under the same name. Client
application source will be written to use -lcore, and we'd do nobody a
service by forcing Debian users to change that manually.
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a specific very good reason to bypass
dpkg-gencontrol (or its debhelper wrapper). Do you?
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of identifying the handwriting much more difficult.
.
(But release-manager intervention would still be needed for SA3 to
proceed to testing before all current clients have been fixed).
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Scripsit Andre Majorel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 2004-10-06 16:09 +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
Do not try to compute Installed-Size by hand - dpkg-gencontrol will do
it for you correctly.
For my enlightenment, what does dpkg-gencontrol do that is more
correct than summing st_blocks ?
Use
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, cc,
make, nroff, etc. That's prominently visible to users; the libc is a
technical detail that most users wouldn't care about unless it breaks.
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, that will work well, methinks.
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Epimenides of that false sentence could imply the
existence of some Cretan who is not a liar is rather unsettling.
up your accusations in public, you
shouldn't make them in public.
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Scripsit Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 04:31:42AM +, Henning Makholm wrote:
Which would amount to saying We won't tell you why, but please change
your name. I think that would be discouteous in the extreme.
No, they simply could have said that they were
Scripsit Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 01:12:21AM +, Henning Makholm wrote:
I think you trimmed away content that was crucial for understanding the
parts you did quote, but whatever. If you need reptition or
elaboration, I'll provide it.
Please do. I found
machine as the package itself is false.
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for tracking unstable, simply because I have to
download it in full every day. So inflating experimental/Packages to
full distribution size would probably have a measurable effect on
mirror load level.
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not yet completely up after the compromise?
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Scripsit Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 10:30:04PM +, Henning Makholm wrote:
I think you're seing spectres.
I think you didn't bother to read any of the parts of my message that
you didn't quote.
I did. But I trimmed away those that were not necessary
Scripsit Andreas Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Everybody seems to agree that new stable versions *should* be out
about every 6 months.
No.
I stand corrected, apparently. (But I have yet to imagine which
arguments would be used against doing a release
think you're seing spectres.
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the goal current
instead of stable.
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: FTBFS: Errors in kernel headers
(If the maintainer is unresponsive or something I would adopt either
package.)
This bug is less than a week old, so it's a little early to declare
that the maintainer is unresponsive.
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Scripsit Bruce Sass [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Henning Makholm wrote:
Have you quantified the bloat you are speaking about? Can the same
argument not apply to any i18n effort?
Yes, using KDE2. The script removed any lines with [stuff] in
them from KDE files (was possible
will be necessary in order to prevent bloat
my maintainer scripts and standard /usr/share/doc/* contents. Some
kind of by-demand distribution and assembly of Packages files might
also be necessary in practise.
/brainstorm
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Scripsit Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oops, possible meaning-disturbing typo:
implementation engineering will be necessary in order to prevent bloat
my maintainer scripts and standard /usr/share/doc/* contents.
s/my/by/
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Scripsit Bruce Sass [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Henning Makholm wrote:
Scripsit Bruce Sass [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Moritz Moeller-Herrmann wrote:
If you don't think the problem being discussed matters, why are you
participating in the discussion?
The problem
).
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compiler being used finds a legitimate interpretation
which is different from that which the user had in mind.
Scripsit Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Straw man, again. The proposal was to rewrite all menu entries as
.desktop files -
Yes. That is a straw man.
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leve vor Buxgører
Scripsit Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 01:57:29PM +, Henning Makholm wrote:
Are you claiming that everyone who says that .desktop has technical
advantages is a liar?
No. I'm claiming that everyone who says that only by using .desktop
exclusively can we do
much time and
resources as it is, and you want to use up more, for what gain?
Just how much more time and resources would it take to convert
.desktop files to Debian menu definitions? How often does it have to
be done?
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Description:
autotrace - bitmap to vector graphics converter
libautotrace-dev - bitmap to vector graphics converter, development files
libautotrace3 - bitmap to vector graphics converter, shared library files
Closes: 206859
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certainly want to toss out the culprit ASAP.
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folks legemer, at jeg kan varme eller afkøle dem,
som jeg vil, og få dem til at kaste op, hvis det er det,
jeg
to maintain it.
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Scripsit Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Henning Makholm wrote:
The proposal is to enhance update-menus such that it knows how to
parse .desktop files and feed the information from them
transparently to menu methods that expect the Debian native
format.
The head of this thread is about
Scripsit Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:05:34PM +, Henning Makholm wrote:
Step 2: Packagers can now chose to supply .desktop files instead of
the Debian format, with a versioned dependency on menu.
I can see no reason to proceed any further than
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