Re: FFmpeg vs. libav packaging

2014-02-19 Thread Moritz Mühlenhoff
Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org schrieb: Moritz, what's the security team's opinion on ffmpeg being reintroduced as a binary package (providing /usr/bin/ffmpeg) only? Doesn't make much of a difference, since it still exposes all the same decoders and demuxers through the ffmpeg binary.

Re: FFmpeg vs. libav packaging (was Re: Proposal: SystemD.pushers/forcers, et cetera)

2014-02-17 Thread Niv Sardi
On Fri, Feb 14 2014, p...@debian.org wrote: On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 5:49 AM, Adrian Bunk wrote: But how to make the decision whether libav or FFmpeg is better for jessie? Seems like getting the two upstreams to collaborate and merge the two forks is the way to go. actually, there is an

Re: FFmpeg vs. libav packaging (was Re: Proposal: SystemD.pushers/forcers, et cetera)

2014-02-17 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, 2014-02-17 at 10:14 -0300, Niv Sardi wrote: actually, there is an on-going effort to port libav's features and bugfixes into the ffmpeg project. Good to hear. So the remaining thing is to convince the libav folks to contribute to ffmpeg again and change the ffmpeg community in ways

Re: FFmpeg vs. libav packaging

2014-02-14 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:16:55PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Adrian Bunk wrote: Having both sets of libraries in the archive at the same time is what I called insane in the RFP and where I expect additional probems due

Re: FFmpeg vs. libav packaging

2014-02-14 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Adrian Bunk (2014-02-14 09:06:34) On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:16:55PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Adrian Bunk wrote: Having both sets of libraries in the archive at the same time is what I called insane in the RFP and

Re: FFmpeg vs. libav packaging

2014-02-14 Thread Moritz Mühlenhoff
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org schrieb: Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Adrian Bunk wrote: Having both sets of libraries in the archive at the same time is what I called insane in the RFP and where I expect additional probems due to: Also, I expect the

Re: FFmpeg vs. libav packaging

2014-02-14 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 01:03:02PM +0100, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote: But we still try to minimise such cases as much as possible. And for libav/ffmpeg this simply isn't managable at all due to the huge stream of security issues trickling in. We need definitely need to pick one solution only. And

Re: FFmpeg vs. libav packaging

2014-02-14 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Stephan Seitz (2014-02-14 13:32:41) On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 01:03:02PM +0100, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote: But we still try to minimise such cases as much as possible. And for libav/ffmpeg this simply isn't managable at all due to the huge stream of security issues trickling in. We need

Re: FFmpeg vs. libav packaging

2014-02-14 Thread Wookey
+++ Stephan Seitz [2014-02-14 13:32 +0100]: On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 01:03:02PM +0100, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote: But we still try to minimise such cases as much as possible. And for libav/ffmpeg this simply isn't managable at all due to the huge stream of security issues trickling in. We need

Re: FFmpeg vs. libav packaging

2014-02-14 Thread Russ Allbery
Moritz Mühlenhoff j...@inutil.org writes: Russ Allbery r...@debian.org schrieb: If they're now diverging separate source bases, this isn't really different than the other cases where upstreams have forked and for various reasons we've found uses for both implementations. But we still try to

Re: FFmpeg vs. libav packaging (was Re: Proposal: SystemD.pushers/forcers, et cetera)

2014-02-14 Thread Fabian Greffrath
Hi Adrian, Am Donnerstag, den 13.02.2014, 21:37 +0200 schrieb Adrian Bunk: Are you as Debian Multimedia Maintainer willing to discuss which option (libav, FFmpeg, some solution of shipping both) will be best for jessie based on the information that is available today? Honestly, I don't

Re: FFmpeg vs. libav packaging

2014-02-14 Thread Russ Allbery
Fabian Greffrath fab...@greffrath.com writes: Am Donnerstag, den 13.02.2014, 21:37 +0200 schrieb Adrian Bunk: Are you as Debian Multimedia Maintainer willing to discuss which option (libav, FFmpeg, some solution of shipping both) will be best for jessie based on the information that is

Re: FFmpeg vs. libav packaging

2014-02-14 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Moritz, what's the security team's opinion on ffmpeg being reintroduced as a binary package (providing /usr/bin/ffmpeg) only? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: FFmpeg vs. libav packaging (was Re: Proposal: SystemD.pushers/forcers, et cetera)

2014-02-14 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 06:46:37PM +0100, Fabian Greffrath wrote: Hi Adrian, Am Donnerstag, den 13.02.2014, 21:37 +0200 schrieb Adrian Bunk: Are you as Debian Multimedia Maintainer willing to discuss which option (libav, FFmpeg, some solution of shipping both) will be best for jessie

Re: FFmpeg vs. libav packaging (was Re: Proposal: SystemD.pushers/forcers, et cetera)

2014-02-14 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 5:49 AM, Adrian Bunk wrote: But how to make the decision whether libav or FFmpeg is better for jessie? Seems like getting the two upstreams to collaborate and merge the two forks is the way to go. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: FFmpeg vs. libav packaging (was Re: Proposal: SystemD.pushers/forcers, et cetera)

2014-02-14 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Feb 15, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: But how to make the decision whether libav or FFmpeg is better for jessie? Seems like getting the two upstreams to collaborate and merge the two forks is the way to go. A fork exists exactly because the upstream developers do not want to

Re: FFmpeg vs. libav packaging

2014-02-14 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 12:47:36PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Quoting Adrian Bunk (2014-02-14 09:06:34) On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:16:55PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Adrian Bunk wrote: Having both sets of libraries

FFmpeg vs. libav packaging (was Re: Proposal: SystemD.pushers/forcers, et cetera)

2014-02-13 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 02/13/2014 04:48 AM, Fabian Greffrath wrote: After ***forcing*** users to use libav instead of ffmpeg in debian therefore making it to stuck with outdated fork istead of rapidly developing original it's too late to talk about freedom..

Re: FFmpeg vs. libav packaging (was Re: Proposal: SystemD.pushers/forcers, et cetera)

2014-02-13 Thread Martin Bagge / brother
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2014-02-13 14:43, The Wanderer wrote: I was not aware that the decision of whether to go with libav or with FFmpeg had involved any consideration at all of which one was better, only consideration of which one had someone available who was

FFmpeg vs. libav packaging (was Re: Proposal: SystemD.pushers/forcers, et cetera)

2014-02-13 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:48:52AM +0100, Fabian Greffrath wrote: After ***forcing*** users to use libav instead of ffmpeg in debian therefore making it to stuck with outdated fork istead of rapidly developing original it's too late to talk about freedom.. Gosh, we are not forcing you

Re: FFmpeg vs. libav packaging (was Re: Proposal: SystemD.pushers/forcers, et cetera)

2014-02-13 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Adrian Bunk (2014-02-13 20:37:47) Are you as Debian Multimedia Maintainer willing to discuss which option (libav, FFmpeg, some solution of shipping both) will be best for jessie based on the information that is available today? It will certainly be best for Jessie to have a library

Re: FFmpeg vs. libav packaging (was Re: Proposal: SystemD.pushers/forcers, et cetera)

2014-02-13 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 09:21:02PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Quoting Adrian Bunk (2014-02-13 20:37:47) Are you as Debian Multimedia Maintainer willing to discuss which option (libav, FFmpeg, some solution of shipping both) will be best for jessie based on the information that is

Re: Re: FFmpeg vs. libav packaging

2014-02-13 Thread Petr Baudis
Hi! Do you have a good idea how to avoid all the problems of mixing both libraries while also creating a sufficient usage of the FFmpeg libraries in a way that both libraries can be in testing at the same time, or are you just setting a hurdle intended to be impossible to pass for

Re: FFmpeg vs. libav packaging (was Re: Proposal: SystemD.pushers/forcers, et cetera)

2014-02-13 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Adrian Bunk (2014-02-13 22:40:23) On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 09:21:02PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Quoting Adrian Bunk (2014-02-13 20:37:47) Are you as Debian Multimedia Maintainer willing to discuss which option (libav, FFmpeg, some solution of shipping both) will be best for

Re: Re: FFmpeg vs. libav packaging

2014-02-13 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:14:39PM +0100, Petr Baudis wrote: Hi! Do you have a good idea how to avoid all the problems of mixing both libraries while also creating a sufficient usage of the FFmpeg libraries in a way that both libraries can be in testing at the same time, or are you

Re: FFmpeg vs. libav packaging (was Re: Proposal: SystemD.pushers/forcers, et cetera)

2014-02-13 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Adrian Bunk wrote: Having both sets of libraries in the archive at the same time is what I called insane in the RFP and where I expect additional probems due to: Also, I expect the security team would be unhappy to have to fix security issues twice. -- bye,

Re: FFmpeg vs. libav packaging

2014-02-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Adrian Bunk wrote: Having both sets of libraries in the archive at the same time is what I called insane in the RFP and where I expect additional probems due to: Also, I expect the security team would be unhappy to have to