Re: Packages file missing from unstable archive

2005-11-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: Hrm, thinking about it, I guess zsync probably works by storing the state of the gzip table at certain points in the file and doing a rolling hash of the contents and recompressing each chunk of the file; that'd result in the size of the .gz not

Re: Uploading amd64 packages

2005-11-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
=?iso-8859-15?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Marant?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 03:10:37PM +0100, Jérôme Marant wrote: Quoting Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * Jérôme Marant: Is it currently possible to upload amd64 packages to ftp-master?

Re: removal syncing among official and amd64 archive

2005-11-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While we are it ... I noticed that removal of packages from the official debian archive are not propagated to the amd64 archive. E.g. query packages.debian.org for the editex source package. Is that known? No. removals should propagate to amd64

Re: Uploading amd64 packages

2005-11-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
=?iso-8859-15?Q?J=E9r=F4me_Marant?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I meantioned one solution. There is another possible one: source uploads. And no, I don't think it would cause more breakages than nowdays because uploading sources only doesn't meant packages have not been build on our systems.

Re: Spliting packages between pkg and pkg-data

2005-11-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Nicolas Boullis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Nov 20, 2005 at 12:13:48PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: Hello Debian developers, When doing research about circular-deps, I looked at a lot of packages that are split between a binary package and a data package. This is a good thing since

Re: Spliting packages between pkg and pkg-data

2005-11-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 3. Loose dependencies between -data and main packages *CAN* create breakage on partial upgrades, depending on just how tight the relationship between a particular version of the package and its arch-indep data is. Watch out for

Re: Conffiles and possible conffiles

2005-11-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, on the debian-tetex-maint mailing list we often have problems to decide which of the thousands of TeX input files should be treated as configuration files - in principle, each of them can be changed in order to change the behavior of the system.

Re: Spliting packages between pkg and pkg-data

2005-11-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 04:26:34PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: Nicolas Boullis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Nov 20, 2005 at 12:13:48PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: Hello Debian developers, When doing

Re: Spliting packages between pkg and pkg-data

2005-11-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Thijs Kinkhorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 16:26 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: foo depends on foo-data. But foo-data does NOT depend on foo. So an apt-get install foo-data, while being useless, is consistent for dpkg. After that you would end up with a menu entry

Re: Spliting packages between pkg and pkg-data

2005-11-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ricardo Mones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IMHO pkg-data package should also include an «Enhances: pkg» in addition to the suggest. Both fields with some partial string matching on the package names could make some frontend realize the kind of relation between the packages. regards, I

Re: removal syncing among official and amd64 archive

2005-11-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 06:42:15PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/org/amd64.debian.net$ madison editex editex |0.0.5-6 |stable | source editex |0.0.5-6 | unstable | source As you can see editex

Re: Spliting packages between pkg and pkg-data

2005-11-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Gabor Gombas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 09:48:53AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Aparently yes. Menu seems to be smart enough for that, see other mails. Bad example, sorry. But manpages certainly aren't. Well, being able to read the documentation (including

Re: Spliting packages between pkg and pkg-data

2005-11-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ricardo Mones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | foo | foo-data -+--+- foo needs foo-data | Depends: foo-data| Suggests: foo

Re: Uploading amd64 packages

2005-11-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 08:13:23AM -0600, Ken Bloom wrote: Why not accept the AMD64 binaries, then dump the AMD64 binaries because you don't know what to do with them, but accept the arch:all debs from that upload? Why would ftp-master want to work

Secret changes for binNMUs

2005-11-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Hi, recently some changes have been made to the DAK, wanna-build and buildds for binNMUs that probably went unnoticed to most developers. And since binNMUs are rather uncommon you might not notice for the longest time and then despair. So heres a summary: - buildds can recompile a source with a

Re: Spliting packages between pkg and pkg-data

2005-11-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
sean finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: just throwing a quick $0.02 in here, On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 01:51:30PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Well, being able to read the documentation (including the man page) of a binary without requiring the binary to be installed is a good thing

Re: Secret changes for binNMUs

2005-11-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Goswin von Brederlow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [051123 15:51]: - binNMU version scheme changed The developer reference _still_ states binNMU should be versioned as 1.2-3.0.1. The DAK will no longer accept this. I am sorry that the developers

Re: Secret changes for binNMUs

2005-11-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 23 Nov 2005, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: - buildds can recompile a source with a binNMU version We were told about this, although I can't recall if the proper channel (d-d-a) was used. Would you consider posting your message

Re: dpkg-sig support wanted?

2005-11-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 11:33:47AM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: * Marc Brockschmidt: Today (or last night, whatever), the dak installation on ftp-master was changed to not accept packages that include more than 3 parts, which are usually the

Re: There must be bug. But where?

2005-11-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Let me just make the suggestion to better use reprepro. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: dpkg-sig support wanted?

2005-11-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 09:18:40PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Use 2: I have this Ubuntu CD and want to know which debs are from debian and which got recompiled Look for all debs that have a deb signature of the debian archive

Re: dpkg-sig support wanted?

2005-11-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jeroen van Wolffelaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 04:50:02PM +0100, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: As I'm responsible for most of dpkg-sig's code (and planned to do some more work in the next two months) I'd like to know if

Re: dpkg-sig support wanted?

2005-11-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 04:50:02PM +0100, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: I'd like to know if anyone cares about using these binary signatures Before your mail I was completely unaware of the existence of dpkg-sig. Now that I know it, I care about

Re: Secret changes for binNMUs

2005-11-24 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 03:50:11PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: If you NEED to do a manual binNMU it is probably best to use sbuild (the cvs, not deb) Patches for the Debian package are welcome, of course. Michael Do you know about http

Re: Secret changes for binNMUs

2005-11-24 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They were, originally. Ryan's been very active on it since, and it's diverged a bit from the code you're maintaining. Then he should send patches and bug reports to the debian package. This split between the user/developer visible sbuild and the secret

Re: dpkg-sig support wanted?

2005-11-24 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 09:09:21AM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: 2) A signature from dinstall saying this package was installed in the Debian archive would provide a means of automatic assurance of the source of a binary package, when I'm putting

Re: dpkg-sig support wanted?

2005-11-24 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 02:31:22PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: Then there's the opposite argument about why not do that inside the .deb?. Simple answers: unnecessary bloat, unwarranted feeling of security leading to bad decisions. Where do you

Re: dpkg-sig support wanted?

2005-11-24 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Simon Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: Well, assuming .changes is not snake-oil, then why should in-deb sigs be called snake-oil? After all, according to you they essentially do the same job. Not exactly. .changes files say that the archive should

Re: dpkg-sig support wanted?

2005-11-24 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 09:18:40PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Use 1: I have this deb in my apt-move mirror and I want to know if it was compromised on yesterdays breakin Boot a clean system with debian keyring and check all deb

Re: There must be bug. But where?

2005-11-24 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Daniel Leidert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am Mittwoch, den 23.11.2005, 21:21 +0100 schrieb Goswin von Brederlow: Let me just make the suggestion to better use reprepro. That's not an alternative. It has no easy incoming mechanisms for remote systems. Regards, Daniel And apt-ftparchive has

Re: Secret changes for binNMUs

2005-11-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 06:51:24PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I personally see the packages in unstable as something good for end-users who want to use it, or understand how the system works

Re: Secret changes for binNMUs

2005-11-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 06:44:42PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 03:50:11PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: If you NEED to do a manual binNMU it is probably best to use sbuild

Re: Secret changes for binNMUs

2005-11-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 06:51:24PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They were, originally. Ryan's been very active on it since, and it's diverged a bit from the code you're maintaining. Then he should

Re: Secret changes for binNMUs

2005-11-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adeodato =?utf-8?B?U2ltw7M=?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Goswin von Brederlow [Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:51:24 +0100]: Hi, Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They were, originally. Ryan's been very active on it since, and it's diverged a bit from the code you're maintaining. Then he

Re: dpkg-sig support wanted?

2005-11-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 06:28:04PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: If you just want to check hashes, you should just use changes files. If you _actually_ want to check hashes, and this isn't just a thought experiment, working out a usable way to

Re: dpkg-sig support wanted?

2005-11-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 07:17:06PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: That's easy: you trust the Packages file to be correct when using apt, and it's not verified at all by per-package signatures. In what way trust and how does that change anything

Re: dpkg-sig support wanted?

2005-11-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 07:47:58PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 09:18:40PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Use 1: I have this deb in my apt-move mirror and I want

Re: dpkg-sig support wanted?

2005-11-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 24 Nov 2005, Anthony Towns wrote: On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 07:39:57AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: Uh, packages not uploaded to the official Debian archive can do whatever they want. It would, however, be convenient to be able to

Re: dpkg-sig support wanted?

2005-11-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Simon Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IF this means we can switch the effort to a detached signature that is more powerful than a .changes file (or we are allowed to have multiple signatures in a .changes file), That is already possible with gnupg, just not well-documented; I'm not entirely

Re: There must be bug. But where?

2005-11-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Daniel Leidert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am Donnerstag, den 24.11.2005, 19:53 +0100 schrieb Goswin von Brederlow: An incoming queue for reprepo is a ~100 lines shell script to check the changes file signature and include the files in reprepro. Probably less if you rewrite it in perl. Yes

Re: Secret changes for binNMUs

2005-11-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 02:03:12PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: It just pains me that Debian does not include all the software to build Debian. Sure it does. It just doesn't include the software that Debian uses to automatically build packages

Re: Secret changes for binNMUs

2005-11-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 02:38:32PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 06:51:24PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They were, originally

Re: dpkg-sig support wanted?

2005-11-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 03:22:37PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: A signature in the deb by a random developer is as trustworthy as the changes file and you already trust that. So we are going from snakeoil to snakoil. No harm done. It's

Re: dpkg-sig support wanted?

2005-11-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 11/25/05, Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, using the signature on the .changes to verify the .debs independent from the archive at some later date is a nice side-benefit, but one which suffers from the same key-lifetime issues

Re: Secret changes for binNMUs

2005-11-29 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Roger Leigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is very true. I wasn't aware of the SVN repository until it was mentioned in this thread. Over the weekend, I have merged almost all the SVN changes: Many thanks for the work. It is greatly appreciated. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: dpkg-sig support wanted?

2005-11-29 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The archive signing key gives absolutely no integrity ensurance on the deb package. The only thing it insures is that the file was not altered _after_ leaving ftp.de.debian.org for the mirrors

Re: Secret changes for binNMUs

2005-11-29 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andreas Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 26 Nov 2005, Andreas Metzler wrote: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Meanwhile, I am using this: unversioned depends and two conflicts: ( {Upstream-Version}), (=

Re: dpkg-sig support wanted?

2005-11-29 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 09:13:02AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: Moving away from MD5 is certainly not a bad idea, but it's not clear whether the alternatives are any better. Sure, everyone recommends SHA-256 at this stage, but nobody can give a

Re: dpkg-sig support wanted?

2005-11-29 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 12:49:11PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: .deb signatures are aimed at giving users some sort of assurance the package is valid; but when you actually look into it -- at

Re: dpkg-sig support wanted?

2005-11-29 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 02:57:36PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 07:17:06PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: That's easy: you trust the Packages file to be correct when using

Re: dpkg-sig support wanted?

2005-11-29 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 10:47:57AM +1100, Brian May wrote: Well, even if I know naught about it, it looks to me that having something signed is better than having the same something not signed. Sorry, but that's a snake oil rationale. A: Why do

Re: dpkg-sig support wanted?

2005-11-29 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 03:13:58PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: You're correct. And he is also wrong. That would result in debs with the same name and version but different md5sums. Something that easily confuses apt-get and people

Re: binNMU or apt or something differnt problem?

2005-12-06 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Noèl Köthe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello on an uptodate etch I get: # apt-get source samba Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done E: Unable to find a source package for samba The samba package is missing the Source: samba (3.0.20b-2) line and apt then fails to

Re: StrongARM tactics

2005-12-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 05:21:46PM -0800, Blars Blarson wrote: I can do the analyzing, but what should I do with the results? Put them on a webpage so anyone can see them, and if you don't find someone who'll give you an immediate response, track

Re: StrongARM tactics

2005-12-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron M. Ucko) writes: Thomas Viehmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: +pcsx: i386 # i386 assembly AFAICT, this is only because its Linux/Makefile forces CPU to ix86 unconditionally. Write patch. At a minimum the package

Re: StrongARM tactics

2005-12-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Making buildd admin a purely administrative task while porters are not even trusted to do a binary upload is not going to work because you will never find volunteers accepting to work under theses terms. Thanks. My sentiment exactly. MfG

Re: StrongARM tactics

2005-12-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 10:41:51AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron M. Ucko) writes: Thomas Viehmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: +pcsx: i386# i386 assembly

Re: buildd administration

2005-12-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 11:40:17AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: and people aren't skilled enough because they aren't allowed to help. Er, did you even *read* this thread? We got on the topic of buildds because *someone refused to help diagnose

Re: buildd administration

2005-12-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Petter Reinholdtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Setting up a buildd system do not require extra privileges from the Debian project, as far as I know. Any Debian developer with his public key in the keyring can sign uploads. The only privileges Upload of autobuild packages from inofficial

Re: StrongARM tactics

2005-12-08 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ryan Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thursday 08 December 2005 04:41 am, you wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron M. Ucko) writes: Thomas Viehmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: +pcsx: i386# i386 assembly AFAICT, this is only

FYI, current mirror sizes

2005-12-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Hi, I got a bugreport requesting exected mirror sizes to be added to the debmirror documentation and I thought some of you might be intrested in them too. So heres the stats: Mirror size for a singe arch and binary only (in MiB): | sarge | etch | sid | all

Re: buildd administration

2005-12-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 04:52:31PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: To respond preemptively to one expected reply: I don't have time to answer these questions is not a reasonable excuse, because if they don't have time, they need to ask for help.

Re: StrongARM tactics

2005-12-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 01:52:51PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 10:41:51AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron M. Ucko) writes: Thomas Viehmann [EMAIL

Re: circular (source) dependencies!?

2005-12-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Turbo Fredriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm trying to build autoconf/automake on my semi woody... But that isn't going to well (to say the least). I really hate these two programs. It's always a mess to build them if you don't follow the latest and greatest (probably no faults to the

Re: State of gcc 2.95 use in Debian unstable

2005-12-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Heiko Müller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We found that gcc-2.95 -Os produces object code of acceptable quality within reasonable compilation times. gcc =3 is less efficient w.r.t. compilation time and memory consumption and in many cases even fails to compile our codes due to the very long

Re: buildd administration

2005-12-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Le vendredi 09 décembre 2005 à 12:07 +1000, Anthony Towns a écrit : That's non-sensical. Everything the buildds do is logged pretty much immediately onto http://buildd.debian.org/, which also provides long running statistics on how effective the

Re: FYI, current mirror sizes

2005-12-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Goswin von Brederlow: Mirror size per arch (in MiB): | sarge | etch | sid | all -+---+--+---+--- source | 9339 | 9419 | 11495 | 30252 This looks suspicious. I expected that the total number would

Re: buildd administration

2005-12-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ingo Juergensmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please stop assuming wrong facts. As I already stated several times before: Ryan was offered to integrate the buildd.net software. He declined with the argument that all information is already available on

Re: buildd administration

2005-12-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 10:19:46AM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: I'm not saying that this all needs to be publicly logged. I don't give a rat's ass whether it is or not. But please don't stand there saying that the process is completely

Re: buildd administration

2005-12-12 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 11:52:22AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: It got proposed because no one was able to give correct explanations about why it hadn't been included. Heh. I'm almost morbidly curious enough to ask what you think the correct

Re: buildd administration

2005-12-12 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 07:24:00PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: That sort of information is helpful to tell you when there is a problem, but that's only the first step. ATM, the corresponding thing would be to (gosh!) setup a webpage tracking

Re: buildd administration

2005-12-12 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: C'mon, this is a free software project. The obvious first step for providing better infrastructure would be to make that infrastructure publically available

Re: buildd administration

2005-12-12 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 09:40:11PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: Requeue requests are part of handling logs... You get a failed log, you analyse it to say oh, that's a transient error due to other

Re: buildd administration

2005-12-12 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Thiemo Seufer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: [snip] A similar issue I noted in the past is the big number of build failures that don't get tagged 'Failed'. I tried working on classifying them, but got bored so increadibly fast that I gave up, and decided for myself

Re: buildd administration

2005-12-12 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 06:50:26PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: And when you try you get screamed at and flamed as witnessed in the huge buildd flame fest the last time. Iirc some 3000 packages were build outside the official buildd network

Re: State of gcc 2.95 use in Debian unstable

2005-12-12 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 04:22:37PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Heiko M?ller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We found that gcc-2.95 -Os produces object code of acceptable quality within reasonable compilation times. gcc =3 is less efficient w.r.t

Re: apt PARALLELISM

2005-12-12 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 02:45:50AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Dec 11, Charles Fry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But if multiple URLs could satisfactorily serve requests for a single repository, only one of them is currently used. Which is fine,

Re: apt PARALLELISM

2005-12-12 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Martijn van Oosterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2005/12/12, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: We don't want them to open multiple connections even to MULTIPLE servers... That's odd though, because apt *does* open connections to multiple servers all the time.

Re: Packages-arch-specific

2005-12-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 08:52:04AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 06:53:47AM -0800, Blars Blarson wrote: Again: what can I do with such a list? See the list below. Changes to the P-a-s

Re: Removing gtksee package

2005-12-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Nico Golde [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The package is in a fairly good state but has some annoying bugs [1]. So I played a bit with gqview which seems be a good replacement. It has all features gtksee has and a bit more. Would it be possible to add a wraper for gqview that translates the

Re: buildd administration

2005-12-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ok, lets take an example: Where is the source thrown at you for www.debian.org? It isn't. You have to ask around, get to know or dig deep along the links to find cvs.debian.org. Funny, I just did

Re: named pipes programming problem

2005-12-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all, I'm new to the group and am seeking your advice on my Debian Linux C++ programming problem with named pipes. Two programs are involved. One is myProgram.cc, which reads user's input from keyboard and prints to the screen. The other program is main.cc,

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

2005-12-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Anand Kumria [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd like to congratulate our ftp-master team on their ability to timely process packages progressing through the NEW queue. http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html [1] I think you are an excellent example of people who are too busy for Debian. I must

Re: buildd.debian.org (was Re: buildd administration

2005-12-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So for various reasons the buildd.net status code is not considered ready to be integrated on buildd.debian.org, either by its author or by its maintainer or by Ryan Murray. Fine, I understand. Well, after looking at

Re: Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 updated (r1)

2005-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Debian Projecthttp://www.debian.org/ Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 updated (r1) [EMAIL PROTECTED] December 20th, 2005

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

2005-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Anand Kumria [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 03:56:30PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Anand Kumria [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd like to congratulate our ftp-master team on their ability to timely process packages progressing through the NEW queue. http://ftp

Re: Checking package builds on hppa/arm/m68k?

2005-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andreas Fester [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Benjamin Mesing wrote: Please (re)check, if the package can be built by g++ 3.4 on [hppa/arm/m68k]? Do I simply remove the explicit build dependency on g++, upload the package and wait if it succeeds (and probably create another package version with

Re: buildd administration

2005-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Funny, I just did a Google search for site:www.debian.org cvs repository www.debian.org and there it was, plain as day. That implies that you already know

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 12:34:56PM +0100, Gürkan Sengün wrote: I've run some scripts to find out the size of binary pakcages in debian and how theycould be made smaller, here's the results: My comments are about the same as on IRC: - Disk

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 12/18/05, Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 02:56:10PM +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote: Why would this be huge? Why is it that hard to plugin another codec? You'd have to rewrite about every single tool in

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 12:34:56PM +0100, Gürkan Sengün wrote: Hi I've run some scripts to find out the size of binary pakcages in debian and how theycould be made smaller, here's the results: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/sizematters/ FWIW :

Re: /run vs /var/run

2005-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Peter Samuelson wrote: Given the need, and now the reality, of /run, is there any need for a separate /var/run? Need is probably too strong, but it's certainly convenient if we don't have to change the way we currently use /var/run/. How

Re: apt PARALLELISM

2005-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am 2005-12-12 13:23:01, schrieb Goswin von Brederlow: Actualy one thing apt could do: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~% host security.debian.org security.debian.org A 82.94.249.158 security.debian.org A 128.101.80.133 security.debian.org

Re: apt PARALLELISM

2005-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am 2005-12-06 09:53:43, schrieb Ivan Adams: Hi again, in my case: I have slow internet connection. BUT I have friends with the same ^^^ connection in my local area network, who have apt-proxy. My goal is: When I need

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 12/21/05, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: uncompressor file.tar.whatever | tar -x $ uncompressor -bash: uncompressor: command not found This solution doesn't look usable in scripts and user have to use a more complex syntax

Re: apt PARALLELISM

2005-12-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Olaf van der Spek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 12/21/05, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who need PARALELISM and who has a bandwidth of more then 8 MBit? I have 10240kBit downstream and get way less from security.debian.org. Especialy when there is a security release of X

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 16:12 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 12:34:56PM +0100, Gürkan Sengün wrote: [snip] The transition itself would go completly unadministered. Once dpkg

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2005-12-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: #include hallo.h * Goswin von Brederlow [Wed, Dec 21 2005, 04:19:56PM]: Actual maintainer of dpkg is evaluating the possibility to use 7zip. Even if the decision of using 7zip by default is far from being taken, it looks likely that dpkg

Re: /run vs /var/run

2005-12-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Monday 19 December 2005 11:49, Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: If /run is tmpfs, it means everything stored there eats virtual memory. So a musch metter strategy would be to move everything from /run

Re: /run vs /var/run

2005-12-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On a vm-based fs, you always use *address space* for data in it, and it is linearly coupled to the amount of filesystem used (or even to the full size, for extremely dumb filesystems). Not that address space shortage is something I'd fear

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