Re: Removing ATLAS?

2023-11-24 Thread Sébastien Villemot
Le dimanche 05 novembre 2023 à 14:02 +0100, Sébastien Villemot a écrit : > Le samedi 08 juillet 2023 à 10:01 +0200, Sébastien Villemot a écrit : > > As the maintainer of the atlas package over the last decade, I now > > wonder whether we should remove it from the archive. > > Since the present

Re: Removing ATLAS?

2023-11-24 Thread Sébastien Villemot
Hi, Le dimanche 05 novembre 2023 à 21:49 -0500, Mo Zhou a écrit : > The following line is what I use for the PyTorch package (ignore the > fact that I forgot to bump the BLIS abi from 3 to 4): > > Recommends: libopenblas0 | libblis3 | libatlas3-base | libmkl-rt | libblas3 > > So the latest

Re: Removing ATLAS?

2023-11-05 Thread Mo Zhou
The following line is what I use for the PyTorch package (ignore the fact that I forgot to bump the BLIS abi from 3 to 4): Recommends: libopenblas0 | libblis3 | libatlas3-base | libmkl-rt | libblas3 So the latest Recommends line for performance critical packages relying on BLAS/LAPACK should

Re: Removing ATLAS?

2023-11-05 Thread Drew Parsons
On 2023-11-05 14:02, Sébastien Villemot wrote: Le samedi 08 juillet 2023 à 10:01 +0200, Sébastien Villemot a écrit : As the maintainer of the atlas package over the last decade, I now wonder whether we should remove it from the archive. Since the present thread seems to indicate that there to

Re: Removing ATLAS?

2023-11-05 Thread Sébastien Villemot
Le samedi 08 juillet 2023 à 10:01 +0200, Sébastien Villemot a écrit : > As the maintainer of the atlas package over the last decade, I now > wonder whether we should remove it from the archive. Since the present thread seems to indicate that there to be a consensus towards removing atlas from

Re: Removing ATLAS?

2023-07-17 Thread Rafael Laboissière
* M. Zhou [2023-07-17 12:05]: On Fri, 2023-07-14 at 01:51 +0200, Sébastien Villemot wrote: Your fix looks good. Note that an even better fix is to simply Build- Depend on libblas-dev. Linking against an optimized BLAS does not really help at build time, because since all variants are ABI

Re: Removing ATLAS?

2023-07-17 Thread M. Zhou
On Fri, 2023-07-14 at 01:51 +0200, Sébastien Villemot wrote: > > Your fix looks good. Note that an even better fix is to simply Build- > Depend on libblas-dev. Linking against an optimized BLAS does not > really help at build time, because since all variants are ABI > compatible and use the same

Re: Removing ATLAS?

2023-07-17 Thread Dave Love
Nilesh Patra writes: > You can send patches via BTS, if you don't want to create a salsa > account. BTS is the standard way of filing/reacting to bug reports. Sure, I know and approve of the email BTS, but it doesn't help for contributing. I'm happy to have a salsa account, as I did alioth(?),

Re: Removing ATLAS?

2023-07-14 Thread Nilesh Patra
On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 11:33:37AM +0100, Dave Love wrote: > (I'd contribute to Debian packaging if it didn't require an account on > salsa, which requires Recaptcha.) You can send patches via BTS, if you don't want to create a salsa account. BTS is the standard way of filing/reacting to bug

Re: Removing ATLAS?

2023-07-14 Thread Dave Love
Rafael Laboissière writes: > * Sébastien Villemot [2023-07-08 10:01]: > >> As the maintainer of the atlas package over the last decade, I now >> wonder whether we should remove it from the archive. I'd say definitely. I don't know of any value in atlas these days. I'm not a Debian

Re: Removing ATLAS?

2023-07-13 Thread Sébastien Villemot
Le mercredi 12 juillet 2023 à 15:34 +0200, Rafael Laboissière a écrit : > * Sébastien Villemot [2023-07-08 10:01]: > > > As the maintainer of the atlas package over the last decade, I now > > wonder whether we should remove it from the archive. […] > Thanks for starting this discussion and

Re: Removing ATLAS?

2023-07-13 Thread Sébastien Villemot
Le mercredi 12 juillet 2023 à 16:05 +0200, Andreas Tille a écrit : > Am Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 03:34:09PM +0200 schrieb Rafael Laboissière: > > When generating the C++ code, the xmds tool tries to link against > > libcblas.so, which, currently, only exists in the libatlas-base-dev package. > > I

Re: Removing ATLAS?

2023-07-13 Thread Sébastien Villemot
Le lundi 10 juillet 2023 à 22:01 +0200, Andreas Tille a écrit : > Hi Sébastian, > > Am Sat, Jul 08, 2023 at 10:01:15AM +0200 schrieb Sébastien Villemot: > > > > So, given all that, I’m inclined to (try to) remove atlas during the > > trixie development cycle. > > Sounds reasonable. > > > Any

Re: Removing ATLAS?

2023-07-12 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Rafael, Am Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 03:34:09PM +0200 schrieb Rafael Laboissière: > When generating the C++ code, the xmds tool tries to link against > libcblas.so, which, currently, only exists in the libatlas-base-dev package. I admit this is actually the reason why any of the packages I'm

Re: Removing ATLAS?

2023-07-12 Thread Rafael Laboissière
* Sébastien Villemot [2023-07-08 10:01]: As the maintainer of the atlas package over the last decade, I now wonder whether we should remove it from the archive. As a reminder, ATLAS is an optimized BLAS implementation, that fits into our BLAS/LAPACK alternatives framework.¹ Its strategy for

Re: Removing ATLAS?

2023-07-11 Thread Andreas Tille
ou can reach upstream it would be great if you could ping them somehow. Kind regards Andreas. > Best, > Steffen > > > Gesendet: Montag, 10. Juli 2023 um 22:01 Uhr > > Von: "Andreas Tille" > > An: debian-science@lists.debian.org > > Betreff: Re: Removing

Aw: Re: Removing ATLAS?

2023-07-11 Thread Steffen Möller
. Best, Steffen > Gesendet: Montag, 10. Juli 2023 um 22:01 Uhr > Von: "Andreas Tille" > An: debian-science@lists.debian.org > Betreff: Re: Removing ATLAS? > > Hi Sébastian, > > Am Sat, Jul 08, 2023 at 10:01:15AM +0200 schrieb Sébastien Villemot: > > >

Re: Removing ATLAS?

2023-07-10 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Sébastian, Am Sat, Jul 08, 2023 at 10:01:15AM +0200 schrieb Sébastien Villemot: > > So, given all that, I’m inclined to (try to) remove atlas during the > trixie development cycle. Sounds reasonable. > Any thought on this? I've checked my responsibility for the dependencies and stumbled

Re: Removing ATLAS?

2023-07-10 Thread M. Zhou
I agree. The usage of ATLAS is more suitable for source based distros like Gentoo. Plus, according to my past benchmarks, ATLAS, even if compiled locally with -march=native flags, still falls behind OpenBLAS and BLIS in terms of performance. Both OpenBLAS and BLIS are still healthy, actively