Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

2015-08-01 Thread Curt
On 2015-08-01, pjw lists.deb...@pjw.xsmail.com wrote: As I recall, if expert install is selected from the initial screen, the option of using non-free will eventually be presented, which would likely provide the missing firmware. There's also a netinst.iso with the non-free firmware included,

Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

2015-07-31 Thread pjw
As I recall, if expert install is selected from the initial screen, the option of using non-free will eventually be presented, which would likely provide the missing firmware. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

2015-07-31 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Thu, 30 Jul 2015, Brian wrote: On Sun 26 Jul 2015 at 21:46:31 -0500, David Bruce wrote: 5. (most troubling) - I posted a couple of days ago that I had trouble with DHCP not working during install, and have had exactly zero follow-ups (although I did receive one very nice off-list

Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

2015-07-30 Thread Brian
On Sun 26 Jul 2015 at 21:46:31 -0500, David Bruce wrote: 5. (most troubling) - I posted a couple of days ago that I had trouble with DHCP not working during install, and have had exactly zero follow-ups (although I did receive one very nice off-list email suggestion, which unfortunately did

Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

2015-07-29 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 29 July 2015 01:32:15 Joel Rees wrote: companies catering to consumers who like free beer and ignoring consumers who like their toys entirely free of beer. :-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

2015-07-28 Thread Joel Rees
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 12:54 AM, Michael Fothergill michael.fotherg...@googlemail.com wrote: Don't we mean: firmware. Nonfree firmware was removed from Debian main for some silly reason. A lot of hardware needs it to function. I agree. Having to install the

Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

2015-07-28 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 28 July 2015 16:54:12 Michael Fothergill wrote: For me, normal use of the non-free stuff is a bit like choosing to use an umbrella ie useful but non essential that has a designer label printed on it etc. Or not if that is your choice. It depends. If you want to use a particular

Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

2015-07-28 Thread Michael Fothergill
Don't we mean: firmware. Nonfree firmware was removed from Debian main for some silly reason. A lot of hardware needs it to function. I agree. Having to install the firmware manually to get X11 working is a bit Arthur Tuttlesque. Why not go the whole

Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

2015-07-28 Thread Miles Fidelman
Erwan David wrote: Le 28/07/2015 18:16, Lisi Reisz a écrit : On Tuesday 28 July 2015 16:54:12 Michael Fothergill wrote: For me, normal use of the non-free stuff is a bit like choosing to use an umbrella ie useful but non essential that has a designer label printed on it etc. Or not if that is

Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

2015-07-28 Thread Erwan David
Le 28/07/2015 18:16, Lisi Reisz a écrit : On Tuesday 28 July 2015 16:54:12 Michael Fothergill wrote: For me, normal use of the non-free stuff is a bit like choosing to use an umbrella ie useful but non essential that has a designer label printed on it etc. Or not if that is your choice. It

Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

2015-07-28 Thread Michael Fothergill
On 28 July 2015 at 18:06, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Le 28/07/2015 18:16, Lisi Reisz a écrit : On Tuesday 28 July 2015 16:54:12 Michael Fothergill wrote: For me, normal use of the non-free stuff is a bit like choosing to use an umbrella ie useful but non essential that has a

Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

2015-07-27 Thread john vera
this is a easy problem between the keyboard and chair xD 2015-07-27 7:19 GMT-04:30 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com: On Monday 27 July 2015 03:46:31 David Bruce wrote: I would still welcome any suggestions or insights as to why the 6.03 installer works with my home router, but 8.1 does not.

Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

2015-07-27 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 27 July 2015 03:46:31 David Bruce wrote: I would still welcome any suggestions or insights as to why the 6.03 installer works with my home router, but 8.1 does not. In one word, drivers. Also, have you checksum checked the net install with firmware disk? Another suggestion, install

Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

2015-07-27 Thread Hans
Am Montag, 27. Juli 2015, 08:13:29 schrieb john vera: In one word, drivers. Hi there, some hardware is not recognized by the insdtallation kernel. I suggest, to install a minimal systerm from the DVD, then download and install the newest linux-image-* with another computer and install it

Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

2015-07-27 Thread Michael Fothergill
On 27 July 2015 at 18:27, Mark Allums m...@allums.xyz wrote: On 07/27/2015 08:46 AM, Hans wrote: Am Montag, 27. Juli 2015, 08:13:29 schrieb john vera: In one word, drivers. Don't we mean: firmware. Nonfree firmware was removed from Debian main for some silly reason. A lot of hardware

Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

2015-07-27 Thread John L. Ries
I understand the desire to put free software first and segregate out packages that don't meet the standard, but if a free driver is not available for one's hardware, then I figure the least Debian could do is to offer to install a non-free one (purists should be free to change the config to

Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

2015-07-27 Thread Ron
On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 12:30:20 -0600 Glenn English g...@slsware.net wrote: Guys, this is not tough. Just put non-free in your apt sources file line(s), and you'll never see the difference. The firmware in not unencumbered; it's $free, but not beer free. You can get it any time you ask for

Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

2015-07-27 Thread Curt
On 2015-07-27, John L. Ries jr...@salford-systems.com wrote: Ideals are good, but one still has to deal with reality. You can find some reality here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

2015-07-27 Thread Glenn English
On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Michael Fothergill michael.fotherg...@googlemail.com wrote: On 27 July 2015 at 18:27, Mark Allums m...@allums.xyz wrote: On 07/27/2015 08:46 AM, Hans wrote: Am Montag, 27. Juli 2015, 08:13:29 schrieb john vera: In one word, drivers. Don't we mean:

Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

2015-07-27 Thread Doug McGarrett
On 7/27/2015 2:30 PM, Glenn English wrote: On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Michael Fothergill michael.fotherg...@googlemail.com wrote: On 27 July 2015 at 18:27, Mark Allums m...@allums.xyz wrote: On 07/27/2015 08:46 AM, Hans wrote: Am Montag, 27. Juli 2015, 08:13:29 schrieb john vera: In

Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

2015-07-27 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Mon, 2015-07-27 at 14:55 -0400, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: Guys, this is not tough. Just put non-free in your apt sources file line(s), and you'll never see the difference. The firmware in not unencumbered; it's $free, but not beer free. You can get it any time you ask for it. We are

Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

2015-07-27 Thread Joel Rees
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 3:27 AM, John L. Ries jr...@salford-systems.com wrote: I understand the desire to put free software first and segregate out packages that don't meet the standard, but if a free driver is not available for one's hardware, then I figure the least Debian could do is to

Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

2015-07-27 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 27 July 2015 19:30:20 Glenn English wrote: On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Michael Fothergill michael.fotherg...@googlemail.com wrote: On 27 July 2015 at 18:27, Mark Allums m...@allums.xyz wrote: On 07/27/2015 08:46 AM, Hans wrote: Am Montag, 27. Juli 2015, 08:13:29 schrieb john

Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

2015-07-27 Thread Joel Rees
On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 11:46 AM, David Bruce davidstuartbr...@gmail.com wrote: I've installed Debian dozens of times since 2002 and I have never run into anything approaching the headaches I am experiencing trying to get the current stable Debian onto a newly rebuilt machine. The box is a

Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

2015-07-27 Thread Jochen Spieker
David Bruce: I've installed Debian dozens of times since 2002 and I have never run into anything approaching the headaches I am experiencing trying to get the current stable Debian onto a newly rebuilt machine. The box is a straightforward amd64 setup built from a bundle from Newegg. It has

Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

2015-07-27 Thread Brian
On Sun 26 Jul 2015 at 21:46:31 -0500, David Bruce wrote: I've installed Debian dozens of times since 2002 and I have never run into anything approaching the headaches I am experiencing trying to get the current stable Debian onto a newly rebuilt machine. The box is a straightforward amd64

Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

2015-07-26 Thread David Bruce
I've installed Debian dozens of times since 2002 and I have never run into anything approaching the headaches I am experiencing trying to get the current stable Debian onto a newly rebuilt machine. The box is a straightforward amd64 setup built from a bundle from Newegg. It has onboard Realtek

Re: Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

2015-07-26 Thread Gary Dale
On 26/07/15 10:46 PM, David Bruce wrote: I've installed Debian dozens of times since 2002 and I have never run into anything approaching the headaches I am experiencing trying to get the current stable Debian onto a newly rebuilt machine. The box is a straightforward amd64 setup built from a