Re: Thunderbird 52.2.1 and Enigmail

[Frank]

Op 30-07-17 om 04:52 schreef Daniel Bareiro:

Hi, Paul.

On 27/07/17 08:41, Paul van der Vlis wrote:


I just updated Thunderbird on Jessie. Support for the 45.x series has
ended, so starting with this update Debian is now following the 52.x
releases.



I've tried much, but it did not work. So I downgraded, this worked for me:

apt remove thunderbird icedove
apt install thunderbird=1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1
apt install thunderbird-l10n-nl=1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1
apt install lightning=1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1
apt install lightning-l10n-nl=1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1
apt install icedove=1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1
apt install enigmail=2:1.8.2-4~deb8u1
apt -t jessie-backports install xul-ext-sogo-connector

And you need some kind of pinning...


Thanks for your contribution.

I see that yesterday was published the DSA-3921-1 referring to the bug
869774 talking about Enigmail 1.9.8.1 to restore full compatibility.

But I still don't see the update available. Do you see it?


As I mentioned in another thread, this appears to be caused by the fact 
the new version of the package is no longer -amd64/-i386 but -all. 
Somehow, apt doesn't see it, unless you add another line to your 
sources.list. This seemed to do it here:


 deb [arch=all] http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main

Regards,
Frank

Problemas con sonido "Stereo" al conectar audífonos en Debian 9 stretch

[Samuel Hurtado Lora]

Hola, espero se encuentren muy bien.

Soy un usuario de debian relativamente nuevo que esta aprendiendo paso a
paso a hacer uso de las características del sistema. Previo a usar debian
he sido usuario de ubuntu y linux mint y he decidido cambiar de sistema en
busca de una experiencia mas satisfactoria que en las distribuciones
anteriores, ya mencionadas. Hasta la fecha estoy muy contento he
impresionado por el equipo que trabaja para hacer cada vez mejor debian.

Mi problema es el siguiente: el sonido en mi computador (Dell latitude
3440) funciona muy bien con los parlantes que vienen integrados en el
computador, de igual forma que con ciertos speakers externos, pero al
momento de conectar los audifonos (headphones) no consigo un sonido stereo
limpio (al realizar el test sound se escuchan los sonidos right y left al
mismo tiempo y sin diferencia, que es lo normal del sonido stereo),
viéndome obligado a modificar la barra de balance y dar prioridad a uno de
los dos lados. Esto es muy molesto, pues tiende a desconfigurarse mucho,
además de no permitir disfrutar la calidad del sonido stereo. He realizado
investigaciones en la web tratando de encontrar una situación similar que
se haya superado, pero no encuentro nigún caso y referencia sobre el tema.
He modificado alsamixer, he jugado con pulseaudio, he desinstalado en alsa
y reinstalado, pero nada de esto funciona.

Espero me puedan ayudar con esto y logremos encontrar una solución juntos.
Como dato en windows siempre funciono bien la tarjeta de audio, por lo que
quizas sea un problema de controlador, pero no sé que hacer; otra cosa, el
card es HDA Intel PCH y chip Realtek ALC3223.

Saludos,

Re: Thunderbird 52.2.1 and Enigmail

[Daniel Bareiro]

Hi, Paul.

On 27/07/17 08:41, Paul van der Vlis wrote:

>> I just updated Thunderbird on Jessie. Support for the 45.x series has
>> ended, so starting with this update Debian is now following the 52.x
>> releases.

> I've tried much, but it did not work. So I downgraded, this worked for me:
> 
> apt remove thunderbird icedove
> apt install thunderbird=1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1
> apt install thunderbird-l10n-nl=1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1
> apt install lightning=1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1
> apt install lightning-l10n-nl=1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1
> apt install icedove=1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1
> apt install enigmail=2:1.8.2-4~deb8u1
> apt -t jessie-backports install xul-ext-sogo-connector
> 
> And you need some kind of pinning...

Thanks for your contribution.

I see that yesterday was published the DSA-3921-1 referring to the bug
869774 talking about Enigmail 1.9.8.1 to restore full compatibility.

But I still don't see the update available. Do you see it?

Kind regards,
Daniel

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Re: Cannot read my draft emails.

[Lck Ras]

On 07/30/2017 08:13 AM, Ken Heard wrote:
> I now in Drafts emails which I now want to edit and send.  When I try to
> open them for editing in the text section nothing appears except this
> message:

This is controlled by the "Encrypt draft messages on saving" setting in
your account settings, under "OpenPGP options".

> This is an encrypted OpenPGP message.
> In order to decrypt this mail, you need to install an OpenPGP add-on.
> 
> In addition to Enigmail I also have  gnupg 1.4.18-7+deb8u3,
> gnupg-agent 2.0.26-6+deb8u1 and gnupg2 installed, as well as six
> packages with pgp in their names.  I find it however strange that
> apt-cache no longer finds those packages. I also find it strange none of
> the options in the Thunderbird Enigmail menu is operative.  If something
> else is needed, what would it be?

I haven't had this problem at all, but I've also not been using the
add-on in the debian repositories, and instead grabbed enigmail through
the add-on manager. I am currently on Stretch, so that might be it, too,
with gpg2 being the default in Stretch and such.

Re: please help me

[Ben Finney]

alshemally37  writes:

> i got problems download kali linux 2017 it is need to me

This is a forum for discussing the Debian system in particular, not Kali Linux.

> help me what can i do please?

Seek at the Kali Linux community forums .

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Re: Stretch: xfce and xscreensaver

[David Wright]

On Sat 29 Jul 2017 at 07:57:49 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 22:08:41 -0500 David Wright
>  wrote:
> 
> > On Thu 27 Jul 2017 at 14:18:47 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 07:35:24AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > > > > Or do what I did: dispense with a screensaver entirely.  Haven't
> > > > > used one in years.  Waste of CPU cycles.  Besides modern
> > > > > computer screens don't even need them anymore.  They aren't
> > > > > prone to image burning like tube-type monitors were.  I just
> > > > > use xset or a power management utility, if installed, to
> > > > > "sleep" the monitor display after a set time of system
> > > > > idleness. Works great.
> > 
> > […]
> > 
> > >  I lock my screen manually, too.  Much of my work involves studying
> > > what's on the screen without any input.  It's an annoyance when it
> > > "blanks" and I have to log back in disrupting my train of thought.
> > 
> > As you use xset, can't you just define a key to set a really long
> > timeout like   xset dpms 9000 9000 9000 ; xset s 9000 9000
> > to prevent it blanking? (And one to revert if you feel the need.)
> 
> I set xset for 20 minutes . . . 12000.

(That's 200 minutes.)

> Works well 98% of the
> time.  Never looked at the s option.

That could be your problem then.

> But it looks like it's for
> overridding a screensaver which I don't use or even have installed.

I believe X has a screensaver built in. From   man xset

 s  The  s  option lets you set the screen saver parameters.

You can check it out by typing   xset s 5 5

> I
> still prefer to lock the screen manually though, if I'm going to be
> away for a while.

Same here; I use   vlock -a   in a VC.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Cannot read my draft emails.

[Fungi4All]

> From: kensli...@teksavvy.com
> In my Jessie box I recently converted from Icedove to Thunderbird
> 52.2.1. As part of that conversion I also upgraded Enigmail to version
> 2:1.8.2-4~deb8u1 which is in the Thunderbird extensions list.
> Before the conversion I never encrypted my emails, but I did digitally
> sign them. I expected to be able to do the same with Thunderbird and
> presumably so far I nave done so.
> I now in Drafts emails which I now want to edit and send. When I try to
> open them for editing in the text section nothing appears except this
> message:
> This is an encrypted OpenPGP message.
> In order to decrypt this mail, you need to install an OpenPGP add-on.
> In addition to Enigmail I also have gnupg 1.4.18-7+deb8u3,
> gnupg-agent 2.0.26-6+deb8u1 and gnupg2 installed, as well as six
> packages with pgp in their names. I find it however strange that
> apt-cache no longer finds those packages. I also find it strange none of
> the options in the Thunderbird Enigmail menu is operative. If something
> else is needed, what would it be?
> In short, can anyone tell me what is going on? I want my email client back!

You should direct your comments to the Mozilla corporation, as you and many
of us were passed on as customers to "it". I have since cleaned my pc of all 
this
'free" crap under that name. I guess running paintbrush in wine might not be
as bad as running "free" software in debian.

Cannot read my draft emails.

[Ken Heard]

In my Jessie box I recently converted from Icedove to Thunderbird
52.2.1.  As part of that conversion I also upgraded Enigmail to version
2:1.8.2-4~deb8u1 which is in the Thunderbird extensions list.

Before the conversion I never encrypted my emails, but I did digitally
sign them.  I expected to be able to do the same with Thunderbird and
presumably so far I nave done so.

I now in Drafts emails which I now want to edit and send.  When I try to
open them for editing in the text section nothing appears except this
message:

This is an encrypted OpenPGP message.
In order to decrypt this mail, you need to install an OpenPGP add-on.

In addition to Enigmail I also have  gnupg 1.4.18-7+deb8u3,
gnupg-agent 2.0.26-6+deb8u1 and gnupg2 installed, as well as six
packages with pgp in their names.  I find it however strange that
apt-cache no longer finds those packages. I also find it strange none of
the options in the Thunderbird Enigmail menu is operative.  If something
else is needed, what would it be?

In short, can anyone tell me what is going on?  I want my email client back!

Regards, Ken Heard

Re: Problème avec un update vers Mysql 5.5.57

[Thierry Bugier Pineau]

Le samedi 29 juillet 2017 à 23:56 +0200, Philippe Batreau a écrit :
> Bonjour à tous,
> 
> J'ai un serveur Debian Linux 8 et Webmin / Virtualmin en interface.
> 
> Le système a fait automatiquement les mises à jour suivantes :
> 
> An update to libmysqlclient18 from 5.5.55-0+deb8u1 to 5.5.57-0+deb8u1 
> is needed.
> This update has been successfully installed.
> 
> An update to mysql-client from 5.5.55-0+deb8u1 to 5.5.57-0+deb8u1 is
> needed.
> This update has been successfully installed.
> 
> An update to mysql-client-5.5 from 5.5.55-0+deb8u1 to 5.5.57-0+deb8u1 
> is needed.
> This update has been successfully installed.
> 
> An update to mysql-server from 5.5.55-0+deb8u1 to 5.5.57-0+deb8u1 is
> needed.
> This update has been successfully installed.
> 
> An update to mysql-server-5.5 from 5.5.55-0+deb8u1 to 5.5.57-0+deb8u1 
> is needed.
> This update has been successfully installed.
> 
> Et depuis les bases sont inaccessibles/
> 
> Elles sont toujours là car je les vois sur le serveur, mais
> inaccessibles par webmin, phpmyadmin ou tout simplement le web.
> 
> Tous les sites de ce serveur sont donc inopérants.
> 
> Avez-vous eu le même problème ?
> 
> Des idées / pistes pour résoudre ?
> 
> Des manips à me conseiller ?
> 
> A vous lire.
> 
> Bien à vous.
> 
> Philippe BATREAU
> 

Bonjour

Si je comprends bien, les fichiers des bases de données sont toujours 
là ?

Première chose à faire => backup de la machine si il n'y en a pas

- Ensuite je regarderais si mysql tourne : 

service mysql status

- Si il ne tourne pas, essayer de le relancer, et si ça ne veut pas,
lancer le service en avant plan (documentation: man mysqld)

- si Mysql fonctinne essayer de se connecter en invite de commande 

mysql -h ip-hote -u user -p 

puis:
saisir le mot de passe de l'utilisateur
use une-base-de-donnees;
show tables;

(juste pour voir si elles sont lisibles)

- si c'est bon, vérifier les droits d'accès des bases en s'assurant que
 les drotis pour webmin, phpmyadmin et les sites sont toujours valables

Essayer depuis ces hôtes via l'invite de commande
(de nouveau mais sur les hôtes consommant les BDD) mysql -h -u user -p

Voyons déjà si tout cela done des pistes.

En gros, la démarche est d'aller au plus près des bases de données
(donc les fichiers et remonter sur l'infrastructure pas à pas jusqu'à
trouver ce qui est cassé.

Re: debootstrap error with dvdrom install

[Steve McIntyre]

pierre.frenk...@gmail.com wrote:
>hi,
>I'm trying to install Stretch on a Lenovo laptop with the KDE dvdrom and each 
>time I get 
>the error:
>   debootstrap error. Unable to find the codename for release
>
>I saw a lot of posts about this error, but they were all related to a usb 
>install, but one.
>This one said he left the install in standby for several hours, but this is 
>not my case.
>So, I don't know what to do. Has anybody an idea?

You don't say exactly which image you're using, but this is clearly a
bug. I'm *guessing* you're using a 9.0.x live image? The 9.1.0 images
should work better...

-- 
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Google-bait:   http://www.debian.org/CD/free-linux-cd
  Debian does NOT ship free CDs. Please do NOT contact the mailing
  lists asking us to send them to you.

Problème avec un update vers Mysql 5.5.57

[Philippe Batreau]

Bonjour à tous,

J'ai un serveur Debian Linux 8 et Webmin / Virtualmin en interface.

Le système a fait automatiquement les mises à jour suivantes :

An update to libmysqlclient18 from 5.5.55-0+deb8u1 to 5.5.57-0+deb8u1 is needed.
This update has been successfully installed.

An update to mysql-client from 5.5.55-0+deb8u1 to 5.5.57-0+deb8u1 is needed.
This update has been successfully installed.

An update to mysql-client-5.5 from 5.5.55-0+deb8u1 to 5.5.57-0+deb8u1 is needed.
This update has been successfully installed.

An update to mysql-server from 5.5.55-0+deb8u1 to 5.5.57-0+deb8u1 is needed.
This update has been successfully installed.

An update to mysql-server-5.5 from 5.5.55-0+deb8u1 to 5.5.57-0+deb8u1 is needed.
This update has been successfully installed.

Et depuis les bases sont inaccessibles/

Elles sont toujours là car je les vois sur le serveur, mais
inaccessibles par webmin, phpmyadmin ou tout simplement le web.

Tous les sites de ce serveur sont donc inopérants.

Avez-vous eu le même problème ?

Des idées / pistes pour résoudre ?

Des manips à me conseiller ?

A vous lire.

Bien à vous.

Philippe BATREAU

Re: Live recording

[Doug]

On 07/29/2017 01:16 AM, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

/snip/

Thanks all of you who kindly provided response. What I want to do is 
recording live piano: I'd like to use two mics for that, one on the 
grave and the other one on the high notes. Besides, some times I will 
need to add human voice: this requires, in my idea, a third 
microphone... But even starting with two would be all right for now... 
Those recordings would not pretend to be professional, just home made 
for my personal tests, but stereo. I must say that the experiments I 
did with the above rude arrangement, i.e. two mics in common Y 
splitter, inserted into `mic' PC entry, are not so bad... Thanks, Rodolfo 


As has been mentioned, you will need preamplifiers on the two 
microphones, and then combine the preamp outputs into a stereo plug that 
will go into the LINE IN jack on your
sound card. In addition, piano is one of the hardest instruments to 
record properly; it is, after all, a percussion instrument, and as such, 
many microphones cannot deal with it.
If you want anything even approaching a professional result, you will 
have to find microphones that will withstand the dynamics of a piano. 
Also, you will need to deaden the
room acoustics as much as possible. As a minimum, the floor should be 
carpeted, and you will probably want heavy drapes on any windows. 
Overstuffed chairs and/or a sofa
will be helpful also. Any sort of echo will be very distracting to the 
listener to the recording.


--doug

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the default of 3260, use 'ip port' notation, for example '1.2.3.4:3261'.

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Re: samba config

[Tjm]

I know how that goes. And in keeping with that line of action I may I 
investigate further but I since the rest of the setup works, probably not.

Tony

On July 29, 2017 11:58:04 AM PDT, Joe  wrote:
>On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 10:16:16 -0700
>tony mollica  wrote:
>
>> I do have gvfs installed.
>> 
>> Please explain why that would affect the smbclient command.
>> 
>
>No idea, I didn't look into it, but it made smbclient work for me on
>one of my machines. Found on the Net...
>
>You know how it is, the moment something works, you move on, no time
>for abstract research.
>
>-- 
>Joe

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Re: gdm login console keyboard settings are propagated to LUKS boot password prompt by initramfs-tools triggers

[Fungi4All]

From: david.gu...@europecamions-interactive.com

> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Hello, there.
> I noticed a strange thing: I use LUKS to encrypt my system, so it asks
> me the passphrase at boot. As a bépo (a French Dvorak-like keymap)
> user, I configured it, using Gnome preferences panel, on the gdm login
> screen, as the only available keymap.
> I noticed that, when aptitude runs, for any reason, initramfs-tools
> ,..snip...WARNING: Unknown X keysym "dead_greek"
> The missing firmware messages are OK, as you would think, but setupcon and 
> dead_greek stuff are something else. The dead_greek part hints for a relation 
> with bépo, as this keymap is supposed to have a greek dead key, which allows 
> to type Greek letters using the Latin equivalent. I say "supposed" as Debian 
> does not support it yet.
> The consequence (if not post hoc ergo propter hoc) of these messages 
> appearing is that it makes the LUKS passphrase prompt to use bépo. Now I know 
> it, it"s not really a problem for typing the passphrase, but I really think 
> this is a bug, as there was no clear warning about this side effect, neither 
> from the triggers nor from Gnome Preferences. I used bépo under Jessie, but 
> not for gdm3 login screen, and these bépo-related stuff never appeared, so I 
> assume that it appeared as a consequence the use of bépo as the default 
> keymap for gdm login screen.
> I assume that the change of the default keymap for the gdm login screen is, 
> in fact, a change of the keymap of the root user, and that, when the 
> initramfs-tools triggers are fired, they propagate the new keymap to the LUKS 
> prompt.

Here is an interesting LUKS related bug!
https://bugs.manjaro.org/index.php?do=details_id=72=severity=desc
FS#72 - (calamares) luks accepts every WRONG password after install
What is wrong?
Using the build in encryption option of the manjaro installer.
Creating 3 encrypted partitions with the same password. / /home swap
Rebooting after installation and typing in the WRONG password decrypts the 
drives.
What is supposed to happen?
the system is not supposed to be able to decrypt the drives with the wrong 
password

I believe they must have been not really encrypted and it is just showing 
wrong, as they were.
A partition manager should be able to show what is really going on.

Re: samba config

[Joe]

On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 10:16:16 -0700
tony mollica  wrote:

> I do have gvfs installed.
> 
> Please explain why that would affect the smbclient command.
> 

No idea, I didn't look into it, but it made smbclient work for me on
one of my machines. Found on the Net...

You know how it is, the moment something works, you move on, no time
for abstract research.

-- 
Joe

Re: samba config

[tony mollica]

I do have gvfs installed.

Please explain why that would affect the smbclient command.

Tony

On 07/28/2017 10:48 AM, Joe wrote:

On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 08:53:56 -0700
tony mollica  wrote:


Hello.

Maybe a minor samba config problem but searches only show up some
very old stuff and that doesn't appear to rectify the problem.

Once, again, Debian Stretch with samba installed.  All I need is to
access a few files on Stretch from a win7 box, and that works.  What
I can't get to work is the smbclient command to view the status of
shares on Stretch.
smbclient -L localhost results in a password request, then entered,
and the result is invariably this:

smbclient -L localhost
Enter tjm2's password:

Connection to localhost failed (Error NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL)

I've tried different users and root with the same result.  Tried
adjusting the routing tables and using actual ip instead of
localhost, also with no improvement.

I'm overlooking something, but it's not clear to what that is.  Like
I said, the connection between boxes works just fine with no problems.



Do you have gvfs installed?

Re: samba config

[tony mollica]

Thanks.  Tried that and didn't help.

Tony

On 07/28/2017 10:45 AM, Fekete Tamás wrote:

Hy Tony!

I would give one more trial. Please use the name what is defined in your 
/etc/samba/smb.conf in the global section with "netbios name ="
If nothing is set, set something, restart the smbd and nmbd service and 
try with the newly configured name.


If that neither works, I will have temporarly no other idea.

- Tamas Fekete

2017-07-28 19:21 GMT+02:00 tony mollica >:


Thanks.  Tried with lo ip and interface ip with the same result. 
No change in the response.

No log entries about this.


Tony

On 07/28/2017 09:47 AM, Fekete Tamás wrote:

Hello Tony!

What if you use IP address instead of localhost?

127.0.0.1 might better than localhost, as localhost is a
DNS-like name, but as I know the whole SAMBA uses netbios naming
conventions.
So please try with the IP address.

- Tamas Fekete
Debian v9.0 user

2017-07-28 17:53 GMT+02:00 tony mollica  >>:

    Hello.

    Maybe a minor samba config problem but searches only show
up some
    very old stuff and that doesn't appear to rectify the problem.

    Once, again, Debian Stretch with samba installed.  All
I need is to
    access a few files on Stretch from a win7 box, and that
works.     What I can't get to work is the smbclient
command to view the status
    of shares on Stretch.
    smbclient -L localhost results in a password request, then
entered,
    and the result is invariably this:

    smbclient -L localhost
    Enter tjm2's password:

    Connection to localhost failed (Error NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL)

    I've tried different users and root with the same
result.  Tried
    adjusting the routing tables and using actual ip instead of
    localhost, also with no improvement.

    I'm overlooking something, but it's not clear to what that
is.     Like I said, the connection between boxes works
just fine with no
    problems.

    thanks,
    tony

Re: Hibernate in stretch

[solitone]

On Wednesday, 26 July 2017 21:48:30 CEST solitone wrote:
> I haven't yet figured out which kernel version contains such patch, though.
> BTW, I have also submitted a bug to debian, pointing out that solution, but
> it doesn't seem to have been considered yet:
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=869424

From what I gather, the patch was included in kernel version 4.8-rc2:

$ git describe bafb2f7d4755bf1571bd5e9a03b97f3fc4fe69ae
v4.8-rc2-641-gbafb2f7d4755

The kernel shipped with Stretch is version 4.9.30:

$ uname -v
#1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u2 (2017-06-26)

but we still experience the bug. This is because, if I understand it right, 
the commit containing this patch was reverted in the production kernel:

commit 0ee72d8f9b8e17b8e4ccfebc7a25cbc2d395cd6a
Author: Greg Kroah-Hartman 
Date:   Wed Apr 12 15:49:39 2017 +0200

Revert "drm/i915/execlists: Reset RING registers upon resume"

This reverts commit f2a0409a08502d64fbe3990354dff5902b08d2fb which is
commit bafb2f7d4755bf1571bd5e9a03b97f3fc4fe69ae upstream.

It was reported to have problems. [1]

I therefore wonder whether this means this bug is still there in the 
production kernel, even in versions greater than 4.9.x.

[1] https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/intel-gfx/2017-April/125833.html
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Re: Wow, I’d never expect to say to a guy I like him from the 1st sight. Monica

[Don Mascia]

Hey, Got your mail.Call meto chat.



Don687-0160  in Destin, where are you located??
> On Jul 9, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Monica Garipolla  
> wrote:
> 
> You have changed this assurance in me. 
> http://bitly.com/2twLmq4 

Re: Need to upgrade to jessie need help

[Mark Fletcher]

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 12:04:54PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> 
> The concern is that you may have used some shared library to compile a
> third-party program which is installed in /usr/local or /opt, or anywhere
> else that's outside of Debian's knowledge.  Debian would not know that
> the library is still being used, and therefore might autoremove it.
> 
> The impact of this is directly proportional to how many things you
> compile yourself, and how important those things are to you.
> 
If you compiled a program yourself, you probably know what its runtime 
dependencies are. Just create a dummy debian package with the right 
dependencies (this is a simple two-step task with the "equivs" package 
installed). Install that package using dpkg -i  and 
now Debian knows you don't want those libraries removed. And then you 
can safely use apt autoremove to keep your system clean.

I'd emphasise that using equivs is *NOT* a big ton of work -- you can 
very quickly throw together a dummy package even with a decent sized 
list of dependencies, and decent instructions are only a google away...

One thing you might trip over -- when you come to install the dummy 
package representing your self-built software, if any of the 
dependencies are not already installed, dpkg -i will fail. Use the -f 
option to force it to install anyway, then follow up with apt install 
--fix-broken or aptitude install or whatever to get it to fix the broken 
dependencies (by installing the missing dependencies, and recognising 
they are required for the dummy package you installed representing your 
self-built software).

Later, probably *much* later, you might get upgrade problems where the 
system wants to upgrade those libraries but can't because of the 
dependcies from your dummy package. The response to that should probably 
be to recognise that the self-built software may need re-building 
against the upgraded libraries, to do which you would remove the dummy 
package, let the upgrade happen, rebuild the self-built package, and 
then use equivs again to make a new dummy package. The kind of scenario 
I have in mind here is one where library upgrades change library package 
names -- I seem to recall fun a while back with with gnome libraries 
around the time of the upgrade from Gnome 2 to Gnome 3 (Wheezy to 
Jessie? Or was it earlier?) that had to do with this. The symptom was an 
attempt to upgrade wanting to remove half the system... At the time I 
wasn't much of a ninja with apt dependencies, but once I figured out the 
cause, the solution in that case was just marking libraries as 
auto-installed that were marked as non-auto and which nothing depended 
on. That is a different problem but produces a very similar effect to a 
dummy package depending on libraries whose package names change with an 
upgrade.

I suspect you, Greg, already know a lot of this, but nonetheless 
hopefully this will be useful for the archives.

Mark

Re: Wow, I’d never expect to say to a guy I like him from the 1st sight. Monica

[Don Mascia]

Hey   Give me a call pls   687-0160 Where are you   Destin, ??? 
> On Jul 9, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Monica Garipolla  
> wrote:
> 
> You have changed this assurance in me. 
> http://bitly.com/2twLmq4 

Re: Yes you have standing to sue GRSecurity.

[tomas]

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On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 03:25:08PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
>  writes:
> > On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 12:35:55PM +, ni...@redchan.it wrote:
> >> haven't assigned your copyrights away then YOU OWN YOUR
> >> CONTRIBUTIONS.
> >
> > Uh, oh. Redchannel.

[...]
> MikeeUSA is a well-known troll using different mail addresses all the
> time.

Ah, OK. I remember well MikeeUSA. So you say MikeeUSA == redchannel?
Given the post's tone that seems plausible. Oh, goody.

> Sometimes people fall for him (resulting for example in the
> earlier thread about GRsecurity here or a certain Debian derivative
> refers to MikeeUSA for why a certain init system is bad).

That's what I was trying to say: while some of the things in his/her
post may be correct, the way they are brought about seems to aim at
spreading hate and chaos instead of at finding a good solution.

> Just don't feed him here :-)

Agreed.

Thanks & cheers
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Re: Stretch: xfce and xscreensaver

[Patrick Bartek]

On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 22:08:41 -0500 David Wright
 wrote:

> On Thu 27 Jul 2017 at 14:18:47 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 07:35:24AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > > > Or do what I did: dispense with a screensaver entirely.  Haven't
> > > > used one in years.  Waste of CPU cycles.  Besides modern
> > > > computer screens don't even need them anymore.  They aren't
> > > > prone to image burning like tube-type monitors were.  I just
> > > > use xset or a power management utility, if installed, to
> > > > "sleep" the monitor display after a set time of system
> > > > idleness. Works great.
> 
> […]
> 
> >  I lock my screen manually, too.  Much of my work involves studying
> > what's on the screen without any input.  It's an annoyance when it
> > "blanks" and I have to log back in disrupting my train of thought.
> 
> As you use xset, can't you just define a key to set a really long
> timeout like   xset dpms 9000 9000 9000 ; xset s 9000 9000
> to prevent it blanking? (And one to revert if you feel the need.)

I set xset for 20 minutes . . . 12000.  Works well 98% of the
time.  Never looked at the s option.  But it looks like it's for
overridding a screensaver which I don't use or even have installed.  I
still prefer to lock the screen manually though, if I'm going to be
away for a while.

Thanks for the suggestion.

B

Re: Disappearance of the kernel

[Anders Andersson]

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 2:29 PM, agustín torrijos orenes <
agustintorrijosore...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I installed version 9.0 "Stretch" looking with the repositories to
> testing, I am almost sure that updated to version 10.0 "Buster".
>
> I performed a cleanup of the system with the instructions "autoclean,
> clean, revome, autoremove", and it seems that I uninstalled all the kernel.
>
> When I rebooted I could not enter the Grub anymore, I just got some
> instructions that asked for my password, but when I entered it nothing
> happened.
>

You must have left out quite a lot of information about your system for
this to even make any sense at all. Passwords are not really randomly
enabled.

It's difficult to start helping unless you tell us what "some instructions"
means.

If you just installed it, can't you just reinstall it from scratch?

Re: Yes you have standing to sue GRSecurity.

[Ansgar Burchardt]

 writes:
> On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 12:35:55PM +, ni...@redchan.it wrote:
>> haven't assigned your copyrights away then YOU OWN YOUR
>> CONTRIBUTIONS.
>
> Uh, oh. Redchannel.
>
> While what you write is true (everyone should know by now that every
> contributor has a right to sue, Harald Welte's initiative wouldn't
> have been possible otherwise), I have the strong suspicion that you
> are here merely to stir the shit.
>
> Try to be constructive, instead of YELLING AROUND here.

MikeeUSA is a well-known troll using different mail addresses all the
time.  Sometimes people fall for him (resulting for example in the
earlier thread about GRsecurity here or a certain Debian derivative
refers to MikeeUSA for why a certain init system is bad).

Just don't feed him here :-)

Ansgar

Re: Yes you have standing to sue GRSecurity.

[nisus]

I needed to highlight some things in the text so one's eyes don't bleed 
out reading it.


Some variation here and there.

But the key is you have individual standing to sue. You don't have to 
ask the free software conservancy or the linux foundation permission.

And you should not rest on your rights.

On 2017-07-29 13:09, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 12:35:55PM +, ni...@redchan.it wrote:

[...]


haven't assigned your copyrights away then YOU OWN YOUR
CONTRIBUTIONS.


Uh, oh. Redchannel.

While what you write is true (everyone should know by now that every
contributor has a right to sue, Harald Welte's initiative wouldn't
have been possible otherwise), I have the strong suspicion that you
are here merely to stir the shit.

Try to be constructive, instead of YELLING AROUND here.

-- t

Re: Yes you have standing to sue GRSecurity.

[tomas]

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[...]

> haven't assigned your copyrights away then YOU OWN YOUR
> CONTRIBUTIONS.

Uh, oh. Redchannel.

While what you write is true (everyone should know by now that every
contributor has a right to sue, Harald Welte's initiative wouldn't
have been possible otherwise), I have the strong suspicion that you
are here merely to stir the shit.

Try to be constructive, instead of YELLING AROUND here.

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Yes you have standing to sue GRSecurity.

[nisus]

It has come to my attention that some entities are claiming that you, 
dear Linux Hackers, (1)need to go through some foundation or get some 
permission from upon high in-order to sue the progenitors of GRSecurity 
for their violation of section 6 of the terms underwhich the linux 
kernel is distributed (version 2 of the GPL). And, furthermore, that 
(2)this foundation has no intention of bringing such a suit.


(1) is false.
(2) may very well be true.

You do have standing to sue GRSecurity for their blatant continuing 
copyright violation if GRSecurity has made a derivative work of your 
code contribution to the Linux Kernel as-long as (a)you have not 
assigned your copyrights, and (b)you are not a work-for-hire.


How do you know if you are a work for hire or if you have signed away 
your copyrights?
If you are working for a company and as your job duties you are 
programming the linux kernel, there is a good chance that you are a work 
for hire and thus the company owns said copyrights.


How do you know if you signed away your copyrights? Well if you singed a 
document transferring ownership of your copyrights for the code you 
produced at some point.


If you are not working for a company while hacking linux and you haven't 
assigned your copyrights away then YOU OWN YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS.


This means most of you hobby hackers, if GRSecurity has modified your 
code, YES YOU HAVE STANDING TO SUE.


Yes your "betters" are lying to you.
You have individual separate standing to sue.

Yes you SHOULD consult a lawyer of your own.
Yes you SHOULD consider a joint filing with other individual 
rights-holders willing to bring suit against GRSecurity for their 
blatant violation of your terms, and yes you should consider starting 
CLASS ACTION since the number of Linux Kernel Contributors seemingly 
numbers in the multitudes upon multitudes upon multitudes.


And yes, I am an attorney.
But no, I'm not looking for clients. Just correcting some false 
information that has been spreading.


And yes, GRSecurity will try to claim that the linux-kernel is a work of 
Joint ownership (so as to shield themselves via procedural law) and yes 
they will try to claim fair use (probably de minimus), and yes your 
Lawyer will have to respond to these claims. The Joint ownership claim 
will go down quickly but it will have to be responded to. De minimus 
Fair Use depends on how much code is modified and how signifigant the 
modifications are. Don't let anyone but your own legal council dissuade 
you from bringing suit: Remember the statute of limitations is only a 
few years, so the clock is ticking on the CURRENT violation.


Also make sure you register your copyright of the version of the 
linux-kernel that GRSecurity is using in its violation prior to bringing 
suit. The registration must be for the specific version. Yes you can 
register after the violation has occurred, however if you have 
registered before the violation then you can also pursue recovery of 
legal fees, pursue statutory damages, etc.



( NOTE: If you would like to read on how your copyright is being 
violated by GRSecurity, Bruce Perens posted a good write-up on his 
web-page )
( 
perens.com/blog/2017/06/28/warning-grsecurity-potential-contributory-infringement-risk-for-customers/ 
  )
( There was also a discussion on the linux section of slashdot, and on 
the debian user mailing list, and on the dng devuan mailing list and on 
the openwall mailing list and the fedora legal mailing list )

Re: What mirrors serve upgraded package version? (enigmail 2:1.9.8.1-1~deb8u1)

[Frank]

Op 29-07-17 om 12:56 schreef Alessandro Vesely:
On Sat 29/Jul/2017 12:31:03 +0200 Frank wrote:  


Op 29-07-17 om 12:20 schreef Alessandro Vesely:

(I tried ``deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie-security main'' but got W:
Failed to fetch
http://security.debian.org/dists/jessie-security/main/binary-amd64/Packages
404  Not Found [IP: 217.196.149.233 80])

What do I miss?


Try: deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main


Yes, I have that already, but according to apt-cache it still has enigmail
2:1.8.2-4~deb8u1.


Indeed. Looking at https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=enigmail 
I would expect 2:1.9.8.1-1~deb8u1 to be available from security and it 
is, but it doesn't show up after apt-get update with that repository 
line. Curious. I think it's because this package is in binary-all 
instead of the separate binary-amd64, binary-i386, etc. channels.


If I add another line with
 deb [arch=all] http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main
apt-cache does show the correct version after another apt-get update.

I'm not sure this is the correct way to handle this, though...

Regards,
Frank

Re: debootstrap error with dvdrom install

[Dejan Jocic]

On 29-07-17, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Jul 2017, Dejan Jocic wrote:
> 
> > On 29-07-17, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:
> > > hi,
> > > I'm trying to install Stretch on a Lenovo laptop with the KDE dvdrom and
> > > each time I get the error:
> > >   debootstrap error. Unable to find the codename for release
> > > 
> > > I saw a lot of posts about this error, but they were all related to a usb 
> > > install, but one.
> > > This one said he left the install in standby for several hours, but this 
> > > is not my case.
> > > So, I don't know what to do. Has anybody an idea?
> > > 
> > > best regards,
> > > --
> > > Pierre Frenkiel
> > > 
> > 
> > Do not use live images for install. Those are bit flaky, especially KDE
> > one. Use net install, or regular install image.
> > 
> 
>  thanks for this information. I can't use net install, as it would need 4 or 
> 5 firmware files.
>  The only iso file without netinst  I found was xxx-xfce. I'll then try with 
> this one.
> 
> best regards,
> -- 
> Pierre Frenkiel

Actually, you have separate images with firmware, though "unofficial".
But they work really well, in my experience. Here are links both to net
install with firmware and regular install:

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/

All best,
Dejan

Re: debootstrap error with dvdrom install

[Curt]

On 2017-07-29, Pierre Frenkiel  wrote:
>>
>> Do not use live images for install. Those are bit flaky, especially KDE
>> one. Use net install, or regular install image.
>>
>
>   thanks for this information. I can't use net install, as it would need 4 or 
> 5 firmware files.
>   The only iso file without netinst  I found was xxx-xfce. I'll then try with 
> this one.

> best regards,

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.1.0+nonfree/

https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware

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--Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.>

Tarjeta RTL8723be

[Daniel Patón Domínguez]

Muy Buenas:

Soy usuario de Debian GNU Linux desde 1994 y no suelo intervenir en listas pero 
he creído oportuno hacerlo por si alguien tiene el mismo problema.

La tarjeta Realtek 8723be da problemas extraños en Debian 9.0;

1) Detecta el driver perfectamente. 
2) A veces detecta las redes y otras no.
3) Si conectas manualmente internet no va.

He estado buscando largo rato sin éxito hasta que me di con esta web y ahora 
trabaja a la perfección:

https://blog.desdelinux.net/realtek-rtl8723be-ubuntu-derivados/

Dos preguntas:

¿Por qué no se configura el driver por defecto con las especificaciones del 
script que os pongo en el enlace?.

¿Merece la pena avisar al desarrollador del driver? Supongo que debe saberlo.

Gracias a la comunidad por facilitarnos la vida con este magnífico sistema 
operativo.

Saludos

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Re: debootstrap error with dvdrom install

[Pierre Frenkiel]

On Sat, 29 Jul 2017, Dejan Jocic wrote:


On 29-07-17, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:

hi,
I'm trying to install Stretch on a Lenovo laptop with the KDE dvdrom and
each time I get the error:
  debootstrap error. Unable to find the codename for release

I saw a lot of posts about this error, but they were all related to a usb 
install, but one.
This one said he left the install in standby for several hours, but this is not 
my case.
So, I don't know what to do. Has anybody an idea?

best regards,
--
Pierre Frenkiel



Do not use live images for install. Those are bit flaky, especially KDE
one. Use net install, or regular install image.



 thanks for this information. I can't use net install, as it would need 4 or 5 
firmware files.
 The only iso file without netinst  I found was xxx-xfce. I'll then try with 
this one.

best regards,
--
Pierre Frenkiel

Re: What mirrors serve upgraded package version? (enigmail 2:1.9.8.1-1~deb8u1)

[Alessandro Vesely]

On Sat 29/Jul/2017 12:31:03 +0200 Frank wrote:

 

> Op 29-07-17 om 12:20 schreef Alessandro Vesely:
>> (I tried ``deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie-security main'' but got W:
>> Failed to fetch
>> http://security.debian.org/dists/jessie-security/main/binary-amd64/Packages
>> 404  Not Found [IP: 217.196.149.233 80])
>>
>> What do I miss?
> 
> Try: deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main

Yes, I have that already, but according to apt-cache it still has enigmail
2:1.8.2-4~deb8u1.



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Re: What mirrors serve upgraded package version? (enigmail 2:1.9.8.1-1~deb8u1)

[Frank]

Op 29-07-17 om 12:20 schreef Alessandro Vesely:

(I tried ``deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie-security main'' but got W:
Failed to fetch
http://security.debian.org/dists/jessie-security/main/binary-amd64/Packages
404  Not Found [IP: 217.196.149.233 80])

What do I miss?


Try: deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main

Regards,
Frank

Re: What mirrors serve upgraded package version? (enigmail 2:1.9.8.1-1~deb8u1)

[Alessandro Vesely]

On Tue 20/Jun/2017 14:14:56 +0200 Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:38:05AM +0200, Alessandro Vesely wrote:
>> root@pcale:~# apt-cache policy firefox-esr
>> [... output snipped ...]
> 
> You appear to be missing your security.debian.org source.

Adding security.debian.org solved the problem for firefox-esr.  However,
enigmail seems to be somewhere else.

root@pcale:/tmp# apt-cache policy enigmail
enigmail:
  Installed: 2:1.8.2-4~deb8u1
  Candidate: 2:1.8.2-4~deb8u1
  Version table:
 *** 2:1.8.2-4~deb8u1 0
500 http://debian.fastweb.it/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages
500 http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages
500 http://mirror.iway.ch/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages
500 http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

The [SECURITY] [DSA 3921-1] enigmail update of 28 July 2017 21:15 said:

For the oldstable distribution (jessie), this problem has been fixed
in version 2:1.9.8.1-1~deb8u1.

And https://qa.debian.org/madison.php?package=enigmail says:

enigmail | 2:1.9.8.1-1~deb8u1 | jessie-security  | source, all

(I tried ``deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie-security main'' but got W:
Failed to fetch
http://security.debian.org/dists/jessie-security/main/binary-amd64/Packages
404  Not Found [IP: 217.196.149.233 80])

What do I miss?

TIA
Ale




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Re: KDE: GIMP tool tips are blank

[Curt]

On 2017-07-28, RavenLX  wrote:
> I am using the default theme "Breeze" for both GTK and KDE (ie. never 
> changed it) in KDE. Whenever I use gimp and hover over something, the 
> tool tip is blank. Now I am not so sure if it's GTK related or not 
> because when I hover over something in Thunderbird, the tool tips are 
> black with white letters.

Appearance -> Colors (in System Settings) 
"Apply colors to non-KDE4 applications"
uncheck the checkbox?

> I'd like to get black letters on light background in gimp (what I think 
> it was supposed to be).
>
> Anyone know of a fix for this?
>
> BTW, I'm using Stretch with all the latest updates.
>
>


-- 
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Re: GPG-Error with debmirror and wheezy-proposed-updates

[Mirko Parthey]

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 05:14:20PM +0200, Christoph Pleger wrote:
> [GNUPG:] NEWSIG
> [GNUPG:] KEY_CONSIDERED A1BD8E9D78F7FE5C3E65D8AF8B48AD6246925553 0
> [GNUPG:] KEY_CONSIDERED A1BD8E9D78F7FE5C3E65D8AF8B48AD6246925553 0
> [GNUPG:] BADSIG 8B48AD6246925553 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key 
> (7.0/wheezy) 
> gpgv: Signature made Do 20 Jul 2017 16:31:09 CEST
> gpgv:using RSA key 8B48AD6246925553
> gpgv: BAD signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) 
> 
> .temp/.tmp/dists/wheezy-proposed-updates/Release.gpg signature does not 
> verify.
> 
> Does anyone have an idea what is the cause of this? Is it on the client
> side, that is, on my mirror computer? Or on the server side, that is, on
> ftp.us.debian.org? And what do I have to do to solve this on the client or
> let it solve on the server?

Looks like there is a broken GPG signature on the Debian FTP server.
To contact the ftpmaster team:
https://ftp-master.debian.org/index.html#contact

Mirko

Re: debootstrap error with dvdrom install

[Dejan Jocic]

On 29-07-17, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:
> hi,
> I'm trying to install Stretch on a Lenovo laptop with the KDE dvdrom and
> each time I get the error:
>   debootstrap error. Unable to find the codename for release
> 
> I saw a lot of posts about this error, but they were all related to a usb 
> install, but one.
> This one said he left the install in standby for several hours, but this is 
> not my case.
> So, I don't know what to do. Has anybody an idea?
> 
> best regards,
> -- 
> Pierre Frenkiel
> 

Do not use live images for install. Those are bit flaky, especially KDE
one. Use net install, or regular install image. 

Re: Btrs vs ext4. Which one is more reliable?

[Dan]

Dear Andy,

Thanks a lot for your answer.

On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 6:59 AM, Andy Smith  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 04:27:32PM +0200, Dan wrote:
>> I have a NFS4 server with ext4. I'm moving to Debian Stretch. I wonder if I
>> should switch to Btrfs.
>
> I personally wouldn't. I do use btrfs at home and wish I didn't,
> will be moving away from it soon.
>

I'll follow your advice and continue using ext4. Too bad that btfrs is
still not ready. Looking forward to the time when Btrfs will be ready
for production.

>
> You could consider ZFS on Linux.
>
> http://zfsonlinux.org/
>

I prefer to use something that is in the "official" linux kernel tree.
Too bad there are these licence issues (CDDL vs GPL)

>> My understanding is that the only thing that prevents silent corruption in
>> ext4 is the hard drive CRC (Cyclic Redundancy Check Error). Is that enough
>> for a server?
> Having RAID and scrubbing it regularly helps. It will at least spot
> mismatches. The mdadm package on Debian does that by default once
> per month and I could recommend making that more often if it doesn't
> cause you performance issues. Also note that if you only have a two
> way mirror and you find out there are mismatches, you may not be
> able to tell which mirror has the correct data. Forcing md to fix it
> will cause it to pick one side at random.

I'll take a look into the mdadm package and will consider RAID.

> The worst I've seen on the zfsonlinux list in the last couple of
> years is people reporting abnormally low performance in their
> configuration.

Hope that some day Oracle will free the license of ZFS and let the
Linux community use it under the GPL terms.

Best,
Daniel

Re: Live recording

[Jeremy Nicoll]

On Sat, 29 Jul 2017, at 09:56, Weaver wrote:

> How almost all professional grand piano recordings are made, whether in
> a concert hall or studio, is with two mics on boom stands, projected
> over the strings. Bass on the left, treble on the right: the way a
> pianist hears it.

As a non-pianist I'd never really thought about the way that a pianist
hears
what they play in such a different way from an audience.

On the other hand, the standard BBC micing of chamber music concerts (eg
for transmission of concerts during the Edinburgh Festival) is (or was
last 
time I was at one) basically a stereo pair slung over the first few rows
of the
downstairs audience.  Sometimes I think they may have used a M mic.

It could be that use of a slung pair is partly so that a standard way of
micing 
the hall works for all the concerts given there over several weeks.

-- 
Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

debootstrap error with dvdrom install

[Pierre Frenkiel]

hi,
I'm trying to install Stretch on a Lenovo laptop with the KDE dvdrom and each time I get 
the error:

  debootstrap error. Unable to find the codename for release

I saw a lot of posts about this error, but they were all related to a usb 
install, but one.
This one said he left the install in standby for several hours, but this is not 
my case.
So, I don't know what to do. Has anybody an idea?

best regards,
--
Pierre Frenkiel

Re: Live recording

[Weaver]

On 2017-07-29 18:27, Jeremy Nicoll wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Jul 2017, at 07:16, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> 
>> What I want to do is recording live piano: I'd like to use two mics for
>> that,
>> one on the grave and the other one on the high notes.  Besides, some
>> times I
>> will need to add human voice: this requires, in my idea, a third
>> microphone...

How almost all professional grand piano recordings are made, whether in
a concert hall or studio, is with two mics on boom stands, projected
over the strings. Bass on the left, treble on the right: the way a
pianist hears it.
Generally miced up in stereo, not two into one, although two into one is
a good initial check before you split the sound back to stereo.
Mic placement depends very much on the individual piano and can vary
enormously.
Also on what sound or style you're dealing with.
With this in mind, a couple of cardiods right over the hammers can work
well: just look out for the hole in the middle.
If you want a really good mono sound, you will often get it by mounting
a large diaphragm condenser right over the top of the back leg.
If you have the room under the lid, or can get it off altogether, two
omnidirectionals, evenly spaced, about 3' above the springs can work
really well.
Go for the manufacturers recommendations on any of Shure, AKG, or
Sennheiser, and you're generally safe.
Regards,

Weaver 

-- 
"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its 
government."
 -- Thomas Paine

Registered Linux User: 554515

Re: Live recording

[Jeremy Nicoll]

On Sat, 29 Jul 2017, at 07:16, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

> What I want to do is recording live piano: I'd like to use two mics for
> that,
> one on the grave and the other one on the high notes.  Besides, some
> times I
> will need to add human voice: this requires, in my idea, a third
> microphone...

Suppose you were standing next to someone playing the piano.  You'd
think what you were hearing sounded great... and you wouldn't have 
one ear at each end of the piano.

If the piano's in any normal room (ie NOT a sound-deadened area in a
recording studio) part of what you want to hear is also the way the
piano 
sound reverberates around in that space.   Add a voice?  Nothing
changes.

There's many a classical music concert recorded with just one pair of
mics.  The performers balance the sound (so eg the pianist doesn't
drown out a singer) anyway - they have to, for the audience to hear 
a good result.   In a good sounding room or hall (which is something
that most concert or recital rooms are) a decent pair of mics put in the
right place is all you need.

In a crappy room, with background noise, players who can't judge their
own relative volumes, and mics that can't be put in the appropriate 
place... its harder to get a decent result.

The same can be true of an orchestral concert.  Modern tendency though
is often to put a huge number of mics in place, both close to each set
of 
instruments in the orchestra, and eg over areas of it, as well as mics
just 
behind the conductor and further away.  And yet... the conductor's job
is
partly to choose how loud each instrument group should be compared 
with the others at each part of the piece that's being played, and to
manage
that as the performance takes place.  The audience depend on that, as
none
of them will hear whatever is being mixed by the people in the truck
outside
the hall.  I don't really understand why people do it that way.

I've recorded choirs, orchestras, opera etc for maybe 35 years now.  I
have
used multiple mics, but not huge numbers of them.  It's useful eg in a
concert
where a relatively unskilled orchestra and choir are performing
together. More
than likely the choir won't be able to sing loudly enough to be heard
over the
orchestra.  Mics between orchestra and choir help one sort that out -
not for 
the audience - but for a recording produced afterwards.  It can be
useful to 
'spot mic' an instrument that's got to play a solo especially if you
think the
performer might have an attack of nerves and not play loudly enough -
later
you can make them seem a bit louder than they really were. It's useful
to mic
solo singers (singing in front of an orchestra) - partly to catch more
detail of 
the words they're singing... and also to help 'fix' them in the stereo
image.

Concerts in churches (in the UK) often have a U-shaped balcony that
wraps
around the sides and rear of the church.  The sound that a singer
projects
forward from the performance area bounces off the front edge of the
balcony.
Singers sometimes turn their heads as they sing, and that can cause
their
voices to move from side to side in the stereo image... which - once you 
realise what's going on - can sound very peculiar.  A spot mic on a
singer
can let you - say - add just a little of their voice in a fixed (eg just
to the left
or right of centre) part of the stereo image.

-- 
Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

Re: Live recording

[David Christensen]

On 07/28/17 23:16, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

What I want to do is recording live piano: I'd like to use two mics
for that, one on the grave and the other one on the high notes.


Using microphones well is a fine art/ black art.  Here are some articles
related to miking pianos:

http://howtomic.com/how-to-mic-a-piano/

http://www.shure.eu/support_download/educational_content/microphones-basics/piano

http://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/piano-recording

http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/site/04f76e2b2512882b/


What kind of piano?


What makes and models of microphones do you have?



Besides, some times I will need to add human voice: this requires, in
my idea, a third microphone...


Now you're talking multi-track recording and/or mixing.



But even starting with two would be all right for now...  Those
recordings would not pretend to be professional, just home made for
my personal tests, but stereo.


Why stereo?  Stereophonic provides a left/right positional sound field 
with direct sound and environmental cues to stimulate the listener. 
Wide bandwidth is "high fidelity"; a good monophonic recording and 
full-range loudspeaker can do this.




I must say that the experiments I did with the above rude
arrangement, i.e. two mics in common Y splitter, inserted into `mic'
PC entry, are not so bad...


An inexpensive computer microphone (e.g. SoundBlaster) plugged into a PC
should have a good bang/buck ratio.


A step up using a PC would be an audio interface device:

http://www.tascam.com/applications/recording/pc_audio_interface/

plus some microphones:

http://www.tascam.com/applications/recording/microphones/


Another option is a purpose-built recording device:

http://www.tascam.com/applications/recording/handheld_recorder/


It's just a matter of time, money, and expectations.  A lot of this
stuff can be bought used for a fraction of the new price.


David

Re: Live recording

[deloptes]

Rodolfo Medina wrote:

> What I want to do is recording live piano: I'd like to use two mics for
> that, one on the grave and the other one on the high notes.  Besides, some
> times I will need to add human voice: this requires, in my idea, a third
> microphone... But even starting with two would be all right for now... 
> Those recordings would not pretend to be professional, just home made for
> my personal tests, but stereo.  I must say that the experiments I did with
> the above rude arrangement, i.e. two mics in common Y splitter, inserted
> into `mic' PC entry, are not so bad...

So buy a simple 4-6 channel mixer.
2 mic for piano
1mic for voice
1-3 lins are left if you want to add some other instrument
I would go actually for at least 6 channel mixer.

you can of course add few more audio cards to the PC, but you'll need
additional processing/recording power.

regards

Re: Live recording

[Rodolfo Medina]

David Christensen  writes:

> On 07/28/17 12:11, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>> According to:
>>
>>  http://www.upubuntu.com/2013/05/how-to-record-your-voice-from.html
>>
>> I record live sound via microphone just doing:
>>
>>  $ sox -t alsa default output.wav
>>
>> Now I was wondering about the stereo o non-stereo character of such a home
>> made recording...  I tried to use two microphones together, plugging them
>> together into the PC with a small common connection doubber.  Can we say the
>> result is stereo...?  I would doubt...  and how to have - if possible - a
>> stereo effect with the above basic recording instruments?
>
> Connecting two monophonic microphones in parallel with a connection splitter
> run backwards will yield a monophonic signal with reduced gain and time/
> frequency signal artifacts such as comb filtering and echo. For most
> applications, the result will not be acceptable.
>
>
> Capturing sound with two microphones can be done several ways:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereophonic_sound#Recording_methods
>
>
> Computer microphone port(s) are typically monophonic and the line input
> port(s) are typically stereophonic.  If you want to record in stereo, you
> need to provide left and right channel signals to the line input port.
>
>
> Computer microphone ports and line input ports also expect different voltages
> and have different impedance.  I believe computer line input ports are
> designed to consumer audio equipment standards -- e.g. -10 dBV into 10 kOhm
> for 0 VU:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_level#Nominal_levels
>
>
> (For microphone ports, my guess would be -30 dBV into 1 MOhm.)
>
>
> This means you need two microphone pre-amplifiers and/or a stereo mixer with
> two or more microphone inputs:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_level#Line_level_in_traditional_signal_paths
>
>
> The audio capabilities of Linux have evolved over the years:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Sound_System
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture
>
>
> Sox is a command-line tool that has been around since 1991:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoX
>
>
> Audacity is my favorite interactive audio recording and editing tool:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audacity_(audio_editor)
>
>
> If you would care to explain your application, we might be able to give more
> advice.


Thanks all of you who kindly provided response.

What I want to do is recording live piano: I'd like to use two mics for that,
one on the grave and the other one on the high notes.  Besides, some times I
will need to add human voice: this requires, in my idea, a third microphone...
But even starting with two would be all right for now...  Those recordings
would not pretend to be professional, just home made for my personal tests, but
stereo.  I must say that the experiments I did with the above rude arrangement,
i.e. two mics in common Y splitter, inserted into `mic' PC entry, are not so
bad...

Thanks,

Rodolfo