Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On Tue, 19 Apr 2016, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 04/19/2016 12:49 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > On 04/16/2016 03:27 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > >> > >> Much to my regret (and others, too, I'm sure), yesterday, on 15 > >> April 2016, the beginning of the end began for Wheezy. Google, as > >>

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On Tue, 19 Apr 2016, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 04/16/2016 03:27 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > > Much to my regret (and others, too, I'm sure), yesterday, on 15 > > April 2016, the beginning of the end began for Wheezy. Google, as > > announced months ago, finally ceased support for its browser

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 08:30:43AM -0400, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > You are missing that the change to systemd makes most of the knowledge > patiently acquired over the years running and caring for a Linux system has > suddenly become unusable. As a former sysadmin wrangling frankly horrid in-house

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On 04/19/2016 12:49 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 04/16/2016 03:27 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: Much to my regret (and others, too, I'm sure), yesterday, on 15 April 2016, the beginning of the end began for Wheezy. Google, as announced months ago, finally ceased support for its browser on Wheezy.

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On 04/16/2016 03:27 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: Much to my regret (and others, too, I'm sure), yesterday, on 15 April 2016, the beginning of the end began for Wheezy. Google, as announced months ago, finally ceased support for its browser on Wheezy. I double checked just to be sure, and in the

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 05:19:46PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Mon, 18 Apr 2016, Bob Holtzman wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 02:23:08PM +1000, Paul Trevethan wrote: > > > On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 14:48:56 -0700 > > > Bob Holtzman wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2016

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016, Bob Holtzman wrote: > On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 02:23:08PM +1000, Paul Trevethan wrote: > > On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 14:48:56 -0700 > > Bob Holtzman wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 09:34:05AM +1000, Paul Trevethan wrote: > > > > On Sat, 16 Apr 2016

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016, Michael Milliman wrote: > > > On 04/17/2016 06:59 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > On Sun, 17 Apr 2016, Michael Milliman wrote: > > > >> > >> On 04/16/2016 07:52 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > >> choice of inits as a standard option during installs on future > >>

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] (caution: thread deviation)

I can't speak for anyone else, but I found systemd to be ridiculously counterintuitive and poorly documented when I was first exposed to it. To this day, the standard GUI configurator for it (systemadm) is so limited as to be nearly useless; and I find hand-configuring a new service to be a

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 02:23:08PM +1000, Paul Trevethan wrote: > On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 14:48:56 -0700 > Bob Holtzman wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 09:34:05AM +1000, Paul Trevethan wrote: > > > On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 15:27:17 -0700 > > > Patrick Bartek

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On Apr 17, 2016, at 5:30 AM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 11:48:16 + > Mark Fletcher wrote: > >> It seems the emotions, even now, are running too high to be simply about >> "if it ain't broke don't fix it". What am

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On 04/17/2016 06:59 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Sun, 17 Apr 2016, Michael Milliman wrote: On 04/16/2016 07:52 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: choice of inits as a standard option during installs on future releases, but I very much doubt it. B I use Linux Mint on one of my machines. It is

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 14:48:56 -0700 Bob Holtzman wrote: > On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 09:34:05AM +1000, Paul Trevethan wrote: > > On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 15:27:17 -0700 > > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > > > Much to my regret (and others, too, I'm sure), yesterday,

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016, Michael Milliman wrote: > > > On 04/16/2016 07:52 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > >> > >choice of inits as a standard option during installs on future > >> > >releases, but I very much doubt it. > >> > > > >> > >B > >> > > > > > > I use Linux Mint on one of my machines. It is

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016, Go Linux wrote: > Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 15:27:17 -0700 > From: Patrick Bartek <nemomm...@gmail.com> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org <debian-user@lists.debian.org> > Subject: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] > > > > Much to

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 09:34:05AM +1000, Paul Trevethan wrote: > On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 15:27:17 -0700 > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > Much to my regret (and others, too, I'm sure), yesterday, on 15 April > > 2016, the beginning of the end began for Wheezy. Google, as announced

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On Sunday, April 17, 2016, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 11:48:16 + > Mark Fletcher > wrote: > > > It seems the emotions, even now, are running too high to be simply about > > "if it ain't broke don't fix it".

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] (caution: thread deviation)

On 04/17/2016 07:00 AM, Eike Lantzsch wrote: On Sunday 17 April 2016 11:48:16 Mark Fletcher wrote: On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 3:19 PM Michael Milliman < michael.e.milli...@gmail.com> wrote: I've never really liked systemd, though I must admit it does work and do the job -- I just like the

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 11:48:16 + Mark Fletcher wrote: > It seems the emotions, even now, are running too high to be simply about > "if it ain't broke don't fix it". What am I missing? You are missing that the change to systemd makes most of the knowledge patiently

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] (caution: thread deviation)

On Sunday 17 April 2016 11:48:16 Mark Fletcher wrote: > On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 3:19 PM Michael Milliman < > > michael.e.milli...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I've never really > > liked systemd, though I must admit it does work and do the job -- I just > > like the simplicity of the init system better.

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 3:19 PM Michael Milliman < michael.e.milli...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I've never really > liked systemd, though I must admit it does work and do the job -- I just > like the simplicity of the init system better. Admittedly, I may well > be undereducated on systemd resulting

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On 04/16/2016 07:52 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > >choice of inits as a standard option during installs on future > >releases, but I very much doubt it. > > > >B > > > I use Linux Mint on one of my machines. It is init based, not systemd, and has Debian and Ubuntu as it's underpinnings. All

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016, Paul Trevethan wrote: > On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 15:27:17 -0700 > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > Much to my regret (and others, too, I'm sure), yesterday, on 15 > > April 2016, the beginning of the end began for Wheezy. Google, as > > announced months ago,

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 15:27:17 -0700 Patrick Bartek wrote: > Much to my regret (and others, too, I'm sure), yesterday, on 15 April > 2016, the beginning of the end began for Wheezy. Google, as announced > months ago, finally ceased support for its browser on Wheezy. I >

Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

Much to my regret (and others, too, I'm sure), yesterday, on 15 April 2016, the beginning of the end began for Wheezy. Google, as announced months ago, finally ceased support for its browser on Wheezy. I double checked just to be sure, and in the course of that check also discovered