Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-05-03 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
+1 for me. I think there is some great potential for interesting features in GNOME. I've always been a big fan of the mapping of documents on a calendar so I know what I was working on a particular day. As a marketing guy, I'd like us to beat our competition with unique features that can't be

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-05-03 Thread Emily Gonyer
You know, when I first stumbled on zeitgeist running on my system a year or so ago, I didn't know what in the world it was doing, although it appeared to be logging... something. And I think I probably forced it to quit out of pure habit, before going online to figure out what it was actually

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-25 Thread Frederic Peters
Seif Lotfy wrote: So I would still like to have my question answered. How is the policy on using Zeitgeist for non-feature and non-UX related optimization and maintenance distribution? Do note this was not discussed by the release team, we'll have a meeting soon and we can add that to the

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-25 Thread Philip Withnall
On Wed, 2012-04-25 at 22:36 +0200, Frederic Peters wrote: Seif Lotfy wrote: So I would still like to have my question answered. How is the policy on using Zeitgeist for non-feature and non-UX related optimization and maintenance distribution? Do note this was not discussed by the

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-25 Thread Shaun McCance
On Wed, 2012-04-25 at 22:36 +0200, Frederic Peters wrote: Seif Lotfy wrote: So I would still like to have my question answered. How is the policy on using Zeitgeist for non-feature and non-UX related optimization and maintenance distribution? Do note this was not discussed by the

Re: Openness (Was: Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist)

2012-04-24 Thread Andre Klapper
On Sun, 2012-04-22 at 20:45 +0300, Rūdolfs Mazurs wrote: Does design team use anything like meetbot? http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html As far as I know still no bots are used for managing and logging any GNOME IRC meetings. Also see the short discussion here:

Re: Openness (Was: Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist)

2012-04-24 Thread meg ford
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: On Sun, 2012-04-22 at 20:45 +0300, Rūdolfs Mazurs wrote: Does design team use anything like meetbot? http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html The A11y team has a meetbot for logging meetings. They are the only team I know of

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-24 Thread Colin Walters
Hi Emily, On Sun, 2012-04-22 at 10:27 -0400, Emily Gonyer wrote: Then the design team ought to be more open about what exactly 'their' vision for gnome is, as well as open to other ideas/concepts. Insisting on doing things their way, while being extremely vague as to what exactly their way

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-24 Thread meg ford
Hi Emily, On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Colin Walters walt...@verbum.org wrote: Hi Emily, On Sun, 2012-04-22 at 10:27 -0400, Emily Gonyer wrote: Then the design team ought to be more open about what exactly 'their' vision for gnome is, as well as open to other ideas/concepts.

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-22 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 08:33:43PM -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: What about you want to use a new technology but you don't want any new features but rather using this new external dependency will simpifiy things and making maintainance easier? I suppose that itself is the feature? Easier

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-22 Thread Seif Lotfy
Hi Olav, Thanks a lot for clearing it up. This makes a lot of sense. As I see it there is two ways to approach this: 1) Implement first then propose as an external dependency:The risk is that implementation is done and GNOME decides the dependency is unacceptable, thus rendering a couple of

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-22 Thread Florian Müllner
On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Luis Medinas lmedi...@gnome.org wrote: do you really want to start talking about what the community think about this ? Because if you want to start talking i recommend to see how many threads we have, specially on gnome-shell ml, about design decisions that

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-22 Thread Emily Gonyer
Then the design team ought to be more open about what exactly 'their' vision for gnome is, as well as open to other ideas/concepts. Insisting on doing things their way, while being extremely vague as to what exactly their way *is* is not helpful to the rest of the community who is trying to get

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-22 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 22 April 2012 06:14, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote: Risk for the feature focus is that the external dependencies rules are forgotten. E.g. I noticed that gnome-boxes increased its libosinfo version requirement in 3.4.1. That's not so nice when distribution is in a version freeze.

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-22 Thread Seif Lotfy
I agree with Florian here. It took me a bit of time to interact with the design team but it is possible. It is a very young team and extremely busy and overloaded. They are welcoming for anyone to work with them on design and once you get their attention they will help you integrate more. The best

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-22 Thread Seif Lotfy
While this thread reflects a bit about some community observations on how things are handled in GNOME, and i support such a discussion, I find it a bit off-topic. Can we start a new thread discussing these issues or so. Let us stay on topic. Can an applications use Zeitgeist for

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-22 Thread Florian Max
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.com wrote: Then the design team ought to be more open about what exactly 'their' vision for gnome is, as well as open to other ideas/concepts. Insisting on doing things their way, while being extremely vague as to what exactly

Openness (Was: Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist)

2012-04-22 Thread Shaun McCance
On Sun, 2012-04-22 at 18:21 +0200, Florian Max wrote: Which brings us to the matter of openness: the results of everything the design team does ends up on the GNOME wiki under live.gnome.org/Design. I think people are more concerned about being able to have input on the process, not on seeing

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-22 Thread Florian Max
In the end your history is scattered all over the place :P The logs are there and there is not common way to manage them. Having a central log like Zeitgeist will allow you to develop policies and blacklist for logging. Having history at a central location and having a central tool to

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-22 Thread Seif Lotfy
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Florian Max florian.muell...@gmail.com wrote: In the end your history is scattered all over the place :P The logs are there and there is not common way to manage them. Having a central log like Zeitgeist will allow you to develop policies and blacklist for

Re: Openness (Was: Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist)

2012-04-22 Thread Rūdolfs Mazurs
Sv, 2012-04-22 12:36 -0400, Shaun McCance rakstīja: On Sun, 2012-04-22 at 18:21 +0200, Florian Max wrote: Which brings us to the matter of openness: the results of everything the design team does ends up on the GNOME wiki under live.gnome.org/Design. I think people are more concerned

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-22 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Florian Max florian.muell...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.comwrote: Then the design team ought to be more open about what exactly 'their' vision for gnome is, as well as open to other ideas/concepts. Insisting

Re: Openness (Was: Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist)

2012-04-22 Thread Seif Lotfy
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: On Sun, 2012-04-22 at 18:21 +0200, Florian Max wrote: Which brings us to the matter of openness: the results of everything the design team does ends up on the GNOME wiki under live.gnome.org/Design. I think people are

Re: Openness (Was: Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist)

2012-04-22 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Seif Lotfy s...@lotfy.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: On Sun, 2012-04-22 at 18:21 +0200, Florian Max wrote: Which brings us to the matter of openness: the results of everything the design team does ends up

Re: Openness (Was: Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist)

2012-04-22 Thread Seif Lotfy
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Seif Lotfy s...@lotfy.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: On Sun, 2012-04-22 at 18:21 +0200, Florian Max wrote: Which brings us to

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-21 Thread Seif Lotfy
I would like to quote Allan Day (from another public mail thread): --- I realise that you're frustrated by the lack of Zeitgeist adoption in GNOME, Seif. As I explained privately, the best way for you to pursue this is to talk to maintainers who might need it for search results. The decision to

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-21 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
I've talked to several of my coworkers, and they just think Zeitgeist is the right technology for anything they're trying to do. A number of people thought the time-based approach wasn't neat enough. They brought up the recent flames over the Recently Used selection by default in the

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-21 Thread Shaun McCance
On Sat, 2012-04-21 at 12:59 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: We have a design and a plan for finding and reminding, and Zeitgeist doesn't seem like the right technology to implement that plan. Who's we? Where is this plan? And why isn't it going through the feature proposal process? -- Shaun

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-21 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: On Sat, 2012-04-21 at 12:59 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: We have a design and a plan for finding and reminding, and Zeitgeist doesn't seem like the right technology to implement that plan. Who's we? We, the GNOME

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-21 Thread Shaun McCance
On Sat, 2012-04-21 at 13:46 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: On Sat, 2012-04-21 at 12:59 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: We have a design and a plan for finding and reminding, and Zeitgeist doesn't seem like the right

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-21 Thread Frederic Peters
Shaun McCance wrote: Your previous email seems to indicate that the features for 3.6 are already a foregone conclusion, and that Zeitgeist doesn't fit into that. But that just can't be, because WE the GNOME community decide what's in the next version right here on d-d-l during the proposal

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-21 Thread Luis Medinas
Hi, thanks Shaun for your reply, unfortunatly looks like who decides everything for GNOME Project are the Design team or the RedHat employees and not the community. This makes me belive that the community no longer has the power to decide anything that aren't the way that the designers planned,

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-21 Thread Allan Day
On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: On Sat, 2012-04-21 at 13:46 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: On Sat, 2012-04-21 at 12:59 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: We have a design and a plan

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-21 Thread Seif Lotfy
OK seems like i sent the mail to only Jasper (damn-reply to all) Again I repeat. I am not talking about features. Web is using an SQLite DB to store its HISTORY. This is code that they need to maintain themselves. Are the Web developers allowed and blessed to use Zeitgeist to store that history.

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-21 Thread Seif Lotfy
Hey Luis. Very good question. Zeitgeist and Tracker are compeletely different. Tracker is a metadata storage. It is used to store tags and information about files and other data on your computer. Zeitgeist is a log. It is a very intelligent and responsive log. We can not do what tracker providers.

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-21 Thread Andre Klapper
On Sat, 2012-04-21 at 13:46 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: On Sat, 2012-04-21 at 12:59 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: We have a design and a plan for finding and reminding, and Zeitgeist doesn't seem like the right

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-21 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not saying that the feature proposal process is perfectly clear though. ;) It's a little rough, because we are only talking about features; we don't really get to address new technologies or libraries that we might

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-21 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Luis Medinas lmedi...@gnome.org wrote: Hi, thanks Shaun for your reply, unfortunatly looks like who decides everything for GNOME Project are the Design team or the RedHat employees and not the community. Please, can we not finger specific companies when

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-21 Thread Luis Medinas
2012/4/21 Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Luis Medinas lmedi...@gnome.org wrote: Hi, thanks Shaun for your reply, unfortunatly looks like who decides everything for GNOME Project are the Design team or the RedHat employees and not the community.

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-21 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Luis Medinas lmedi...@gnome.org wrote: 2012/4/21 Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Luis Medinas lmedi...@gnome.orgwrote: Hi, thanks Shaun for your reply, unfortunatly looks like who decides everything for GNOME

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-21 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 11:48:59AM -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: For instance, let's say Xan who has indicated some interest to use Zeitgist in Web wanted to use it but not add any new features but instead uses Zg to store bookmarks then really does this process help that? Does he even need

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-21 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote: On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 11:48:59AM -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: For instance, let's say Xan who has indicated some interest to use Zeitgist in Web wanted to use it but not add any new features but instead uses Zg to

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-20 Thread Seif Lotfy
Sounds like a reasonable approach. The reason we looked at zg in the first place is because we were told that eds might not be a good solution for this. I implement it how you suggested and demo it u guess :) On 4/19/12, Rodrigo Moya rodr...@gnome-db.org wrote: On Thu, 2012-04-19 at 10:31 +0100,

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-19 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2012-04-19 at 02:20 +0200, Seif Lotfy wrote: So let me try to take Web use cases that could use Zeitgeist: * The user wants to type in the location bar and have suggestions pop out while typing. * The user wants to blacklist some websites or all websites

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-19 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 23:43 +0200, Seif Lotfy wrote: Clocks: The clocks app is designed by the GNOME designers. It is still more or less a prototype I am working on alongside Emily Gonyer. We wanted to make use of Zeitgeist in storing

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-19 Thread Seif Lotfy
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote: On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 23:43 +0200, Seif Lotfy wrote: Clocks: The clocks app is designed by the GNOME designers. It is still more or less a prototype I am working on alongside Emily Gonyer.

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-19 Thread Seif Lotfy
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote: On Thu, 2012-04-19 at 02:20 +0200, Seif Lotfy wrote: So let me try to take Web use cases that could use Zeitgeist: * The user wants to type in the location bar and have suggestions pop out while typing.

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-19 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Thu, 2012-04-19 at 10:31 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 23:43 +0200, Seif Lotfy wrote: Clocks: The clocks app is designed by the GNOME designers. It is still more or less a prototype I am working on alongside Emily Gonyer.

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-18 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Le mardi 17 avril 2012 à 22:47 +0200, Seif Lotfy a écrit : Purpose: Zeitgeist is an event logging framework. It stores user activity in a structured manner and provides a powerful DBus API to query and monitor the log. Zeitgeist as such does not have a graphical component, but is intended to

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-18 Thread Andre Klapper
Hi Seif, FYI we dropped the module proposals period and replaced it by a proposal period for systemwide features. See https://mail.gnome.org/archives/devel-announce-list/2012-March/msg5.html for the GNOME 3.5 call. So the question would turn into Which (Zeitgeist-based) features could

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-18 Thread Seif Lotfy
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Milan Bouchet-Valat nalimi...@club.frwrote: Le mardi 17 avril 2012 à 22:47 +0200, Seif Lotfy a écrit : Purpose: Zeitgeist is an event logging framework. It stores user activity in a structured manner and provides a powerful DBus API to query and monitor

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-18 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 22:47 +0200, Seif Lotfy wrote: snip We already have GNOME specific developments: * We already log everything that pushes into Gtk.RecentlyUsed. * For better logging we have Totem, Rhythmbox, and gedit deploying loggers as a soft-dependency in the form

Feature Proposals vs new modules [was: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist]

2012-04-18 Thread Seif Lotfy
Hi Andre, Thanks for the quick reply. I have some concern though that for framework authors, it's very hard to understand the new module proposal process. This might be slightly off the topic... so I understand if you would put this in another thread. New features get planned for GNOME 3.6.

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-18 Thread Allan Day
Seif Lotfy s...@lotfy.com wrote: ... There are 3 issues in discussion or in development where Zeitgeist integration is reaching a halt due to the uncertainty of where Zeitgeist stands: Epiphany (Web): There has long been discussions on how to deploy Zeitgeist as a backend for Web. Web needed

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-18 Thread Seif Lotfy
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:35 PM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Seif Lotfy s...@lotfy.com wrote: ... There are 3 issues in discussion or in development where Zeitgeist integration is reaching a halt due to the uncertainty of where Zeitgeist stands: Epiphany (Web): There has

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-18 Thread Seif Lotfy
So let me try to take Web use cases that could use Zeitgeist: - The user wants to type in the location bar and have suggestions pop out while typing. - The user wants to blacklist some websites or all websites starting with porn from being stored in history - The user wants to

Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-17 Thread Seif Lotfy
*Purpose: *Zeitgeist is an event logging framework. It stores user activity in a structured manner and provides a powerful DBus API to query and monitor the log. Zeitgeist as such does not have a graphical component, but is intended to integrate wherever it makes sense. Just like Tracker, Folks

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2012-04-17 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
+1 for me. I think there is some great potential for interesting features in GNOME. I've always been a big fan of the mapping of documents on a calendar so I know what I was working on a particular day. As a marketing guy, I'd like us to beat our competition with unique features that can't be

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-05-03 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Le lundi 03 mai 2010 à 00:37 +0200, Seif Lotfy a écrit : snip So in case Zeitgeist can not be a GNOME module because of its development infrastructure, we hereby withdraw our proposal of Zeitgeist being a GNOME module and propose it as an external dependency for GNOME Activity Journal, so it

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-05-02 Thread Seif Lotfy
Dear GNOMErs, GNOME Activity Journal is being moved to the GNOME Development Infrastructure... However after some heavy discussion within the Zeitgeist team, we decided to keep Zeitgeist in Launchpad, and not move it to the GNOME Development Infrastructure. While Zeitgeist has been developed

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-05-02 Thread daniel g. siegel
i really feel sorry for that decision, i would have loved to see zeitgeist as a growing project inside the gnome infrastructure. furthermore i hope that the gnome community does not loose interest in this project, even if such a decision makes it harder to track whats going on. at last i hope,

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-26 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 19:01 +0200, Seif Lotfy wrote: However we do want to keep our development branches in bzr+launchpad. That sounds reasonable. The Java bindings have been using bzr since before GNOME moved to svn. Needless to say we kept using it, and likewise skipped the subsequent move

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-26 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:01 AM, Cody Russell brats...@gnome.org wrote: Eh, github's pull requests are not really the same as a code review system.  At least last time I looked at it.  You do a pull request and the person you're requesting basically just gets a message that says, Hey dude,

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-26 Thread Maciej Piechotka
On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 19:01 -0500, Cody Russell wrote: On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 22:44 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Curtis Hovey sinzui...@verizon.net wrote: My suggestion is to support the Zeitgeist's community's culture of code reviews. GNOME does not

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-26 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 16:52 -0400, Curtis Hovey wrote: I think you can: * use bzr-git to push your Launchpad trunk to GNOME git * setup an import of the git branch and make it trunk launchpad just imports git master, right? ___ desktop-devel-list

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-26 Thread Curtis Hovey
On Mon, 2010-04-26 at 13:51 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote: On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 16:52 -0400, Curtis Hovey wrote: I think you can: * use bzr-git to push your Launchpad trunk to GNOME git * setup an import of the git branch and make it trunk launchpad just imports git master, right? No.

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-26 Thread Dodji Seketeli
Le lundi 26 avril 2010 à 17:18:31% (+1000), Andrew Cowie a écrit: but the whole point of decentralized VCS is disconnected operation and having to have an active internet connection to get to some centralized website in order to follow through workflow is a non-starter for most of us. I

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-26 Thread Siegfried-Angel Gevatter Pujals
2010/4/26 Dodji Seketeli do...@seketeli.org: It would be interesting to find a way to make these tools -- bugzilla or whatever patch review system -- be interoperable with email. Launchpad supports answering to merge requests by mail (as well as managing bugs, etc).

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-26 Thread Dodji Seketeli
Le lundi 26 avril 2010 à 21:24:19% (+0200), Siegfried-Angel Gevatter Pujals a écrit: 2010/4/26 Dodji Seketeli do...@seketeli.org: It would be interesting to find a way to make these tools -- bugzilla or whatever patch review system -- be interoperable with email. Launchpad supports

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-25 Thread Curtis Hovey
On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 18:59 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 16:52 -0400, Curtis Hovey wrote: ... I think Launchpad + BZR and GNOME + git can interoperate fine. I think you can: * use bzr-git to push your Launchpad trunk to GNOME git * setup an import of the git branch

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-25 Thread Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
On 24 April 2010 11:18, Johannes Schmid j...@jsschmid.de wrote: Hi! No one ever said that we wont accept git branches. Anything submitted as a patch or git branch will merge just as easy as any bzr-based contribution. The only thing that may be more inconvenient is the hack directly in

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-25 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Curtis Hovey sinzui...@verizon.net wrote: My suggestion is to support the Zeitgeist's community's culture of code reviews. GNOME does not have an official code review tool. Neither does GitHub, which is why projects that host in GitHub also use Launchpad for

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-25 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sun, 25.04.10 22:44, Patryk Zawadzki (pat...@pld-linux.org) wrote: On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Curtis Hovey sinzui...@verizon.net wrote: My suggestion is to support the Zeitgeist's community's culture of code reviews. GNOME does not have an official code review tool. Neither does

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-25 Thread Cody Russell
On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 22:44 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Curtis Hovey sinzui...@verizon.net wrote: My suggestion is to support the Zeitgeist's community's culture of code reviews. GNOME does not have an official code review tool. Neither does GitHub,

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-25 Thread Sandy Armstrong
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Curtis Hovey sinzui...@verizon.net wrote: My suggestion is to support the Zeitgeist's community's culture of code reviews. GNOME does not have an official code review tool. Neither does GitHub, which is why projects that host in GitHub also use Launchpad for

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-24 Thread Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
On 24 April 2010 00:59, Owen Taylor otay...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 16:52 -0400, Curtis Hovey wrote: On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 19:01 +0200, Seif Lotfy wrote: Our current development is heavily based on launchpad. We are discussing the issue and we don't see a problem to have our

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-24 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi! No one ever said that we wont accept git branches. Anything submitted as a patch or git branch will merge just as easy as any bzr-based contribution. The only thing that may be more inconvenient is the hack directly in trunk-workflow that is inherent to the monolithic VCSs of old, but

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-23 Thread Александър Шопов
There is the further issue of translation. The Bulgarian team had prepared a translation to Zeitgeist available here: http://fsa-bg.org/project/gtp/browser/gnome/gnome3/zeitgeist.trunk.bg.po We could not import it to Launchpad because a team member there had locked the translation. (and we had

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-23 Thread Andy Wingo
Hi Mikkel, On Thu 22 Apr 2010 21:40, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen mikkel.kamst...@gmail.com writes: Here's what we do. We set a series of milestones and target bugs and blueprints to these milestones. We also attach branches (not patches) to bugs and blueprints. When a linked branch is ready to

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-23 Thread Siegfried-Angel Gevatter Pujals
2010/4/23 Александър Шопов li...@kambanaria.org: There is the further issue of translation. We already agreed that translations can be moved to GNOME infrastructure. I've just committed the translation, btw. Thanks! -- Siegfried-Angel Gevatter Pujals (RainCT) Free Software Developer

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-23 Thread Curtis Hovey
On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 19:01 +0200, Seif Lotfy wrote: Our current development is heavily based on launchpad. We are discussing the issue and we don't see a problem to have our trunk from launchpad ported to git with every release. However we do want to keep our development branches in

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-23 Thread Owen Taylor
On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 16:52 -0400, Curtis Hovey wrote: On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 19:01 +0200, Seif Lotfy wrote: Our current development is heavily based on launchpad. We are discussing the issue and we don't see a problem to have our trunk from launchpad ported to git with every release.

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-23 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 4:29 AM, Owen Taylor otay...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 16:52 -0400, Curtis Hovey wrote: I think Launchpad + BZR and GNOME + git can interoperate fine. [snip] I think the question is, is this OK for a GNOME module? The main point of requiring use of GNOME

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-22 Thread Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
On 22 April 2010 00:01, Johannes Schmid j...@jsschmid.de wrote: Hi! Resource usage: Bug tracker: http://bugs.launchpad.net/zeitgeist VCS: http://code.launchpad.net/zeitgeist Releases: http://launchpad.net/zeitgeist/+download According to

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-22 Thread jhs
Hi! (seems like the initial reply wasn't sent to the ML) According to http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/ModuleProposing: Use of GNOME resources: Modules must use GNOME FTP for releases. Modules ought to use GNOME Bugzilla and GNOME Git (there had better be a very good reason for not

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-22 Thread Luis Medinas
Qua, 2010-04-21 às 22:41 +0200, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen escreveu: Purpose: Zeitgeist is an event logging framework. It stores user activity in a structured manner and provides a powerful DBus API to query and monitor the log. Zeitgeist as such does not have a graphical component, but is

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-22 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 07:15 +, j...@jsschmid.de wrote: We don't have any concrete plans. However moving our tarballs to GNOME FTP should pose no problem at all, likewise for i18n. Since we are talking daemons here i18n is not a big part of the project. As for VCS and bug tracking

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-22 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 12:03 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 07:15 +, j...@jsschmid.de wrote: We don't have any concrete plans. However moving our tarballs to GNOME FTP should pose no problem at all, likewise for i18n. Since we are talking daemons here i18n is not

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-22 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 08:10 +0200, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote: As for VCS and bug tracking it'll be quite a lot more work on our part if we should move. I don't think anyone in the team is directly opposed to the idea, but it's more the fact that it would be a major inconvenience. We

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-22 Thread Cody Russell
On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 07:15 +, j...@jsschmid.de wrote: Perhaps an unholy alliance of bzr-git and Launchpad's git-import feature can make all parts happy (at least vcs-wise)? I will take a look at this when I have the time. I think you should rather see that the other way round - track

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-22 Thread Seif Lotfy
Our current development is heavily based on launchpad. We are discussing the issue and we don't see a problem to have our trunk from launchpad ported to git with every release. However we do want to keep our development branches in bzr+launchpad. So with every branch merge with our launchpad trunk

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-22 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi! Am Donnerstag, den 22.04.2010, 19:01 +0200 schrieb Seif Lotfy: Our current development is heavily based on launchpad. We are discussing the issue and we don't see a problem to have our trunk from launchpad ported to git with every release. However we do want to keep our development

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-22 Thread Siegfried-Angel Gevatter Pujals
2010/4/22 Johannes Schmid j...@jsschmid.de: BTW; this workflow will be horrible for translators. Could you please elaborate on that? -- Siegfried-Angel Gevatter Pujals (RainCT) Free Software Developer 363DEAE3 ___ desktop-devel-list mailing

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-22 Thread Frederic Peters
Siegfried-Angel Gevatter Pujals wrote: 2010/4/22 Johannes Schmid j...@jsschmid.de: BTW; this workflow will be horrible for translators. Could you please elaborate on that? We are discussing the issue and we don't see a problem to have our trunk from launchpad ported to git with every

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-22 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 19:01 +0200, Seif Lotfy wrote: Our current development is heavily based on launchpad. We are discussing the issue and we don't see a problem to have our trunk from launchpad ported to git with every release. However we do want to keep our development branches in

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-22 Thread Germán Póo-Caamaño
On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 19:01 +0200, Seif Lotfy wrote: Our current development is heavily based on launchpad. We are discussing the issue and we don't see a problem to have our trunk from launchpad ported to git with every release. However we do want to keep our development branches in

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-22 Thread Sandy Armstrong
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Germán Póo-Caamaño g...@gnome.org wrote: On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 19:01 +0200, Seif Lotfy wrote: Our current development is heavily based on launchpad. We are discussing the issue and we don't see a problem to have our trunk from launchpad ported to git with

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-22 Thread Frederic Peters
I wrote: 2010/4/22 Johannes Schmid j...@jsschmid.de: BTW; this workflow will be horrible for translators. Could you please elaborate on that? We are discussing the issue and we don't see a problem to have our trunk from launchpad ported to git with every release., but release team

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-22 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 10:37 -0700, Sandy Armstrong wrote: In such case, should not it be a freedesktop project and be proposed as an external dependency for the Activity Journal? The Activity Journal is in Launchpad and would have the same issues as we've been discussing (except moreso

Re: Module Proposal: Zeitgeist

2010-04-22 Thread Siegfried-Angel Gevatter Pujals
2010/4/22 Frederic Peters fpet...@gnome.org: We are discussing the issue and we don't see a problem to have our trunk from launchpad ported to git with every release., but release team is too late for translators. Yeah, I agree that copying stuff over just before we release isn't really

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