I've been thinking a bit about the problem of fat nodes (say, 20gb per
node). My understanding is that the amount of overhead of adding a new
node into the ring is massive with fat nodes due to the fact that you have
to stream in 20TB which takes forever.
In a scenario where a given node only
If every other release is a bug fix release, would the versioning go:
3.1.0 -- feature release
3.1.1 -- bug fix release
Eventually it seems like it might be possible to be able to push out a bug
fix release more frequently than once a month?
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 7:59 AM Josh McKenzie
In this tick tock cycle, is there still a long term release that's
maintained, meant for production? Will bug fixes be back ported to 3.0
(stable) with new stuff going forward to 3.x?
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:50 AM Aleksey Yeschenko alek...@apache.org
wrote:
Hey Jason. I think pretty much
it be to have a separate
memtable/sstable for static columns?
Begin forwarded message:
*From: *Jonathan Haddad j...@jonhaddad.com
*Subject: **Re: DateTieredCompactionStrategy and static columns*
*Date: *April 30, 2015 at 3:55:46 PM CDT
*To: *u...@cassandra.apache.org
*Reply-To: *u
That said, in every interaction I’ve had with static columns, they seem
to
be an odd duck (e.g. adding or complicating range slices), perhaps
worthy
of their own code path and sstables. Just food for thought.
On Apr 30, 2015, at 7:13 PM, Jonathan Haddad j...@jonhaddad.com
wrote:
If you want
Maybe some brave soul will document the 3.0 on disk format as part of
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-8700.
On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 7:02 AM Christopher Bradford
wrote:
> Consider taking a look at Aaron Morton's dive into the C* 3.0 storage
> engine.
>
>
>
ld be in
> user
> > level docs. Let's keep it in the wiki for contributors.
> >> On Jun 15, 2016 7:04 PM, "Jonathan Haddad" <j...@jonhaddad.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Definitely required reading for anyone getting into it, plus Aaron's
> post.
> >>
I've been discouraged from contributing to the codebase due to it's lack of
comments, so I +1 this big time.
Some people argue against comments by saying "the code should be self
describing", but that misses the point. The comments should describe the
*intent* of the code, the problem it's mean
I don't know about everyone else, but a big deterrent in contributing code
to Cassandra for me (over the last 4 years or so) is the massive amount of
ramp up that needs to happen in order to get started working on something
meaningful. This comes in a variety of forms - understanding how test
(non binding) +1
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:23 AM Jonathan Ellis wrote:
> A long time ago, I was a proponent of keeping most development discussions
> on Jira, where tickets can be self contained and the threadless nature
> helps keep discussions from getting sidetracked.
>
>
Also, if you have been tracking your performance metrics in graph form
(before and after the upgrade), that would be extremely helpful.
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 5:29 AM Romain Hardouin
wrote:
> Yes you should provide more context."Lots of timeouts": read? write?
>
You can't go by the DSE version. Datastax backports patches all the time.
It's possible they shipped whatever is in trunk, or backported something
that hasn't been released yet. Or did a fix that's not even in OSS yet.
On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 5:49 AM Matija Gobec wrote:
>
Congratulations! Definitely a lot of great contributions from everyone on
the list.
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 1:31 PM Jason Brown wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> It's raining new committers here in Apache Cassandra! I'd like to announce
> the following individuals are now committers
.
The follow up to 3.4 (3.5) should have been 3.4.1, following semver, so
people know it's bug fixes only to 3.4.
Jon
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 10:37 PM Jonathan Haddad <j...@jonhaddad.com> wrote:
> In this particular case, I'd say adding a bug fix release for every
> version that's af
Unfortunately CASSANDRA-11618 was fixed in 3.6 but was not back ported to
3.5 as well, and it makes Cassandra effectively unusable if someone is
using any of the 4 types affected in any of their schema.
I have cherry picked & merged the patch back to here and will put it in a
JIRA as well
- Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/15/16, 10:31 AM, "dave_les...@apple.com on behalf of Dave
> Lester" <
> > > dave_les...@apple.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >How would cutting a 3.5.1 release possibly confuse users of the
> > so
If the releases can be tagged as alpha / beta so that people don't
accidentally put it in prod (or at least, will do so less), that would be
totally reasonable.
On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 12:27 PM Tyler Hobbs wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 2:22 PM, Benedict Elliott Smith <
>
(non-binding) -1 on releasing 2 versions with the same version number.
Everything that's been communicated to the world has been that there would
be a feature release, then a bug fix release a month later. This breaks
that promise.
On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 4:23 PM Michael Shuler
>
> On 09/14/2016 08:30 PM, Jonathan Haddad wrote:
> > Unfortunately CASSANDRA-11618 was fixed in 3.6 but was not back ported to
> > 3.5 as well, and it makes Cassandra effectively unusable if someone is
> > using any of the 4 types affected in any of their schema.
> >
@Sylvain - I see what you're saying now on the branches. I suppose a
branching strategy like that does give some flexibility to have multiple
things in the pipeline so it does give some additional flexibility there.
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 9:06 AM Eric Evans
wrote:
I've worked on a few projects where we've had a branch that new stuff went
in before merging to master / trunk. What you've described reminds me a
lot of git-flow (http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/)
although not quite the same. I'll be verbose in this email to minimize the
of the project will increase - which was the original goal of
Tick Tock.
Jon
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 9:04 AM Sylvain Lebresne <sylv...@datastax.com>
wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Jonathan Haddad <j...@jonhaddad.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > This is a different
Jonathan Ellis <jbel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Jonathan Haddad <j...@jonhaddad.com>
> wrote:
>
> > What I was trying to suggest is that the *goal* of trunk should always be
> > releasable, and the alpha releases would be the means o
+1 to officially supporting GitHub PRs.
On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 11:07 AM Jason Brown wrote:
> It seems to me we might get more contributions if we can lower the barrier
> to participation. (see Jeff Beck's statement above)
>
> +1 to Aleksey's sentiment about the Docs
roject = CASSANDRA AND created >= -24h ORDER BY createdDate DESC
>
> When viewing your filter, go to Details > New Subscription and set it up to
> run once a day and you're set!
>
> Hope it helps,
>
> Russ
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Jonathan Haddad <j...@jonh
A daily digest of new issues would be incredible. A non-binding +1 from
this guy.
On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 8:58 AM Jeremy Hanna
wrote:
> Currently we have a mailing list (commits@) that includes commit messages
> as well as all updates to Jira tickets. However for
epaxos would be nice, it's been about 2 years since it was started, and
Blake asked for a first review well over a year ago. the benchmarks and
thorough test suite look like a huge improvement over the current situation.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-6246
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016
I took a look at https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html, and it doesn't seem
to give any guidelines on who should be on the PMC. My assumption has
always been the most active committers become PMC members, but it sounds
like that's not the case on other projects. Is the process to be added to
the
I agree with Paul. Same boat, not a PMC / Datastax, just someone that cares
a lot about this community.
On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 3:04 PM paul cannon wrote:
> I'm not a stakeholder here- I don't know Russell, I don't work for
> Datastax, and I'm not a member of the ASF.
>
> For
ith
> > >> >>
> > >> >> 1. Efficiency. Is there a quadratic loop that will blow up when
> the
> > >> number
> > >> >> of nodes in a cluster gets large? Is there a linear amount of
> memory
> > >> used
> > >
And +1 to ditching the "tick tock" alternating release thing nobody
understands it anyway.
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 3:38 PM Jonathan Haddad <j...@jonhaddad.com> wrote:
> From a community perspective a supported release every 6 months would be
> much more attractive than yea
>From a community perspective a supported release every 6 months would be
much more attractive than yearly, as having to wait ~9-10 months for
something like SASI is kind of frustrating.
Monthly dev releases is awesome.
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 3:18 PM Nate McCall wrote:
> >
Shouldn't the tests test the code for correctness?
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 8:34 AM Jonathan Ellis wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 8:27 AM, Benjamin Lerer <
> benjamin.le...@datastax.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Having the test passing does not mean that a patch is fine. Which is why
-1 (non-binding) for the failing tests as well.
On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 10:35 AM Sam Tunnicliffe wrote:
> I'll register another (non-binding) -1 due to the failing tests. In
> particular, CASSANDRA-12651 is due to a legit bug with potential corruption
> and data loss (albeit in
+1 as well
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 10:59 AM kurt Greaves wrote:
> yep +1 to this. The LTS release solves my previous concern
>
+1. Kind of silly to put advise people to put something in prod which is
known to be broken in obvious ways
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 11:31 AM sankalp kohli
wrote:
> Hi,
> We should not cut a releases if Dtest are not passing. I won't block
> 3.10 on this since we are
I think it might be worth considering adopting the release strategy before
4.0 release. Are any PMC members putting tick tock in prod? Does anyone
even trust it? What's the downside of changing the release cycle
independently from 4.0?
On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 9:03 AM Jason Brown
You can't stream between major versions. Don't tear down your first data
center, upgrade it instead.
On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 4:35 PM Abhishek Verma wrote:
> Hi Cassandra users,
>
> We are trying to upgrade our Cassandra version from 2.2.5 to 3.0.8
> (running on Mesos, but that's
Love the slow query log, very nice that got done. I've created some follow
up JIRAs I intend to contribute:
CASSANDRA-13000 - slow query log analysis (basically mysqldumpslow)
CASSANDRA-13001 - pluggable slow query handling
CASSANDRA-13002 - per table slow query threshold
Jon
On Tue, Dec 6,
ocusing to stabilize
> 3.x
> > > first? Who knows how long that would take, even if everyone would
> > > exclusively work on bug fixing (which I think should happen).
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 4:29 PM, Jonathan Haddad <j...@jonhaddad.com>
>
+1 (non binding) to feature freeze.
I also like the idea of stabilizing MVs. Ben, you've probably been the
most vocal about the issues, have you made any progress towards making them
work any better during bootstrap / etc? Any idea of fixing them is a major
undertaking?
Jon
On Fri, Jan 13,
There's no downgrade procedure. You either upgrade or you go back to a
snapshot from the previous version.
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 8:13 PM Prakash Chauhan
wrote:
> Hi All ,
>
> Do we have an official procedure to rollback the upgrade of C* from 2.0.x
> to 2.1.x ?
>
>
I don't see why it has to be one extreme (yearly) or another (monthly).
When you had originally proposed Tick Tock, you wrote:
"The primary goal is to improve release quality. Our current major “dot
zero” releases require another five or six months to make them stable
enough for production.
I created CASSANDRA-13284 a few days ago with the intent of starting a
discussion around the topic of breaking the CQL parser out into a separate
project. I see a few benefits to doing it and was wondering what the folks
here thought as well.
First off, the Java CQL parser would obviously
Non binding +1
On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 7:22 AM Jeff Jirsa wrote:
> +1
>
> --
> Jeff Jirsa
>
>
> > On Mar 29, 2017, at 6:21 AM, Jason Brown wrote:
> >
> > Hey all,
> >
> > Following up my thread from a week or two ago (
> >
>
possible, we should at
> least
> > put a note on there saying it is deprecated and point people to the new
> > docs.
> >
> > On 18 March 2017 at 08:09, Jonathan Haddad <j...@jonhaddad.com
> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > > +1 to killing th
+1 to killing the wiki.
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 2:08 PM Blake Eggleston
wrote:
> With CASSANDRA-8700, docs were moved in tree, with the intention that they
> would replace the wiki. However, it looks like we’re still getting regular
> requests to edit the wiki. It seems
I'd like to think that if someone refactors existing code, making it more
testable (with tests, of course) it should be acceptable on it's own
merit. In fact, in my opinion it sometimes makes more sense to do these
types of refactorings for the sole purpose of improving stability and
testability
+1
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 3:02 PM Brandon Williams wrote:
> +1, we've had to explain this a thousand times here.
>
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Jeff Jirsa wrote:
>
> > There's no reason for the dev list to get spammed everytime there's a
> > github
+1
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 6:33 PM Jason Brown wrote:
> +1
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 18:21 Anthony Grasso
> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > On 21 March 2017 at 09:32, Jeff Jirsa wrote:
> >
> > > There's no reason for the dev list to get
e all know if you're gonna make a typo,
> > it's going to be in the commit, and it's probably going to be the ticket
> > number.)
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Jonathan Haddad <j...@jonhaddad.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > If you don't mind, I
If you don't mind, I'd like to broaden the discussion a little bit to also
discuss performance related patches. For instance, CASSANDRA-13271 was a
performance / optimization related patch that included *zero* information
on if there was any perf improvement or a regression as a result of the
I'd like to discuss what I consider to be a pretty important matter -
patches which are written for the sole purpose of improving performance
without including a single performance benchmark in the JIRA.
My original email was in "Testing and Jira Tickets", i'll copy it here
for posterity:
If you
/dtest workflow for ALL
> > patches so we could quickly spot regressions, but that gets pretty
> > expensive in terms of running long enough tests to actually see most
> > common
> > code paths.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Jonathan Hadd
Ugh... Let's put a few facts out in the open before we start pushing to
move back to the wiki.
First off, take a look at CASSANDRA-8700. There's plenty of reasoning for
why the docs are now located in tree. The TL;DR is:
1. Nobody used the wiki. Like, ever. A handful of edits per year.
2.
There's a handful of issues I can think of with shipping everything
in-tree. I'll try to brain dump them here.
* What's included when shipped in tree?
Does every idea get merged in? Do we need 30 different Seed providers? Who
judges what's valuable enough to add? Who maintains it when it
Looks like the docs haven't been rebuilt in a while. There's a handful of
useful merges recently that I'm aware of that would be great to see on
there.
How do they get rebuilt? Who can trigger it?
Jon
In accordance with the idea that the codebase should be better tested, it
seems to me like things shouldn't be added that aren't testable. If
there's a million unit tests that are insanely comprehensive but for some
reason can never be run, they serve exactly the same value as no tests.
It may
Agreed with Jeff & Jason.
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 11:45 AM Jeff Jirsa wrote:
> Looks great to me - especially the venue. Date wise, Tuesday (19th) lets
> people fly in on Monday instead of costing a weekend, so selfishly that
> seems better to me.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017
+1
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 2:21 AM Stefan Podkowinski wrote:
> I don't see any reasons not to make this part of our guidelines. The
> idea of having a list of what should be tested in each kind of test
> makes sense. I also like the examples how to improve tests dealing with
>
+1.
Are there guidelines for how to set something like this up or is it tribal
knowledge?
On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 3:05 PM Gary Dusbabek wrote:
> +1. I'm happy to help with logistics.
>
> Mid-to-late September is good, but so is October.
>
> Gary.
>
> On Wed, May 31, 2017
The wiki isn't really used anymore. You can submit patches to improve the
docs in tree now. Fee free to tag me as a reviewer and I'll get to it this
week.
On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 10:26 AM Vusal Ahmadoglu
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Could you please give access me to the apache
After an upgrade I recommend running upgrade sstables no matter what the
version change is. If it's not needed, nothing will happen.
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 4:30 AM Steinmaurer, Thomas <
thomas.steinmau...@dynatrace.com> wrote:
> And extremely useful/important in the field not being a strict
+1
On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 1:46 PM Nate McCall wrote:
> +1
>
> On Sep 29, 2017 7:12 AM, "Michael Shuler" wrote:
>
> I propose the following artifacts for release as 2.1.19.
>
> sha1: 428eaa3e37cab7227c81fdf124d29dfc1db4257c
> Git:
>
Personally I don’t mind dropping support for previsous java versions.
On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 6:33 AM J. D. Jordan
wrote:
> +1 for “Option 3: both 8 + 11” it shouldn’t be too hard to maintain code
> wise, and leaves people’s options open.
>
> -Jeremiah
>
> > On May
Supporting both as a next step is logical, removing support for 2 in the
next year or two seems reasonable enough. Gotta rip the band aid off at
some point.
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 2:34 AM Michael Burman wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Deprecating in this context does not mean removing it or it being
>
e. I
> think it will be more than 2 years before people begin asking what
> Python 2 was.
>
>
> On 06/01/2018 10:10 AM, Jonathan Haddad wrote:
> > Supporting both as a next step is logical, removing support for 2 in the
> > next year or two seems reasonable enough. Gotta
lead of the OS vendors that people will be deploying
> Cassandra on top of. And those will not be dropping Python 2 at the end of
> the year.
>
> -Jeremiah
>
> > On Jun 1, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Jonathan Haddad wrote:
> >
> > Both can work. I did a lot of the work on t
I agree with Josh. I don’t see how changing the convention around trunk
will improve the process, seems like it’ll only introduce a handful of
rollback commits when people forget.
Other than that, it all makes sense to me.
I’ve been working on a workload centric stress tool on and off for a
+1
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 9:51 PM mck wrote:
>
>
> > I propose the following artifacts for release as 3.11.2.
>
>
> Thanks Michael for the recut, very much appreciated.
>
> +1
>
>
> -
> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
Hey Micke, very cool you're looking to improve C*'s performance, we would
absolutely benefit from it.
Have you done any other benchmarks beside the micro one to determine the
total effect of these metrics on the system overall? Microbenchmarks are a
great way to tune small sections of code but
There's an incredible amount of work that would need to be done in order to
make any of this happen. Basically a full rewrite of the entire codebase.
Years of effort.
The codebase would have to move to a shared-nothing actor & message based
communication mechanism before any of this is possible.
My interpretation of Nate's statement was that since there would be a bunch
of us at Lynn's event, we might as well do NGCC at the same time.
On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 9:03 PM Ben Bromhead wrote:
> It sounds like there may be an appetite for something, but the NGCC in its
> current format is
+1
On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 11:35 AM Jeff Jirsa wrote:
> +1
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:16 AM, Michael Shuler
> wrote:
>
> > I propose the following artifacts for release as 3.11.3.
> >
> > sha1: 31d5d870f9f5b56391db46ba6cdf9e0882d8a5c0
> > Git:
> >
+1
On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 11:35 AM Jeff Jirsa wrote:
> +1
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:17 AM, Michael Shuler
> wrote:
>
> > I propose the following artifacts for release as 3.0.17.
> >
> > sha1: d52c7b8c595cc0d06fc3607bf16e3f595f016bb6
> > Git:
> >
+1
On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 11:35 AM Jeff Jirsa wrote:
> +1
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:17 AM, Michael Shuler
> wrote:
>
> > I propose the following artifacts for release as 2.2.13.
> >
> > sha1: 3482370df5672c9337a16a8a52baba53b70a4fe8
> > Git:
> >
I fired up trunk to check something, and noticed this:
INFO [Service Thread] 2018-08-08 15:01:36,723 GCInspector.java:290 - G1
Young Generation GC in 339ms. G1 Eden Space: 4634705920 -> 0; G1 Old Gen:
1190138352 -> 1435504616; G1 Survivor Space: 406847488 -> 301989888;
which I thought was a
Pushing it back means it’s a bigger risk later on. I’m +.5 on upgrading now
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 11:46 PM dinesh.jo...@yahoo.com.INVALID
wrote:
> Jason,
> Given that we're so close to the 9/1 date, I would err on the side of
> caution especially given the low value prop. If someone does run
+1 to worklog
On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 9:44 AM Ariel Weisberg wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Great idea. +1 to moving it to the work log.
>
> Thanks,
> Ariel
>
> On Mon, Aug 6, 2018, at 12:40 PM, Aleksey Yeshchenko wrote:
> > Nice indeed. I assume it also doesn’t spam commits@ when done this way,
> > in which
Speaking from experience (Reaper), I can say that developing a sidecar
admin / repair tool out of tree that's compatible with multiple versions
really isn't that big of a problem. We've been doing it for a while now.
https://github.com/thelastpickle/cassandra-reaper/blob/master/.travis.yml
On
I'm also very interested.
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 8:47 AM Dinesh Joshi
wrote:
> > On Aug 28, 2018, at 6:33 AM, Marcus Olsson
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > With the risk of stirring the repair/side-car topic even further I'd
> just like to mention that we have recently gotten approval to
finishing up the rework of the code to run it as a sidecar.
On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 6:02 PM Jeff Jirsa wrote:
> Can you get all of the contributors cleared?
> What’s the architecture? Is it centralized? Is there a sidecar?
>
>
> > On Aug 27, 2018, at 5:36 PM, Jonathan Haddad wrote:
Hey folks,
Mick brought this up in the sidecar thread, but I wanted to have a clear /
separate discussion about what we're thinking with regard to contributing
Reaper to the C* project. In my mind, starting with Reaper is a great way
of having an admin right now, that we know works well at the
Strongly agree with Blake. In my mind supporting multiple versions is
mandatory. As I've stated before, we already do it with Reaper, I'd
consider it a major misstep if we couldn't support multiple with the
project - provided admin tool. It's the same reason dtests are separate -
they work with
Advertised, yes, but so far I haven't found it to be any better than
ParNew + CMS or G1 in the performance tests I did when writing
http://thelastpickle.com/blog/2018/08/16/java11.html.
That said, I didn't try it with a huge heap (i think it was 16 or 24GB), so
maybe it'll do better if I throw 50
year? We
> may
> > also be able to provide space in bay area and help to organize it.
> (Please
> > let us know, so we could get final approval for that).
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 10:05 AM Jonathan Haddad
> > wrote:
> >
> > > My interpretatio
Test plans and results could be posted to said
> JIRAs, to be closed once a given test passes. Any bugs found can also then
> be related back to such a ticket for tracking them as well.
>
> -Jeremiah
>
> > On Sep 6, 2018, at 12:27 PM, Jonathan Haddad wrote:
> >
> &g
It's interesting to me that someone would consider features of Reaper as
"technical debt"... an odd way to word it. When we had proposed donating
Reaper to the project, I had made the assumption people would realize the
benefit of folding in a successful project. A working codebase with a
large
@%3Cdev.cassandra.apache.org%3E
On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 10:35 AM Jordan West wrote:
> Thanks for staring this thread Jon!
>
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 5:51 AM Jonathan Haddad wrote:
>
> > For 4.0, I'm thinking it would be a good idea to put together a list of
> the
> > things that need testing an
For 4.0, I'm thinking it would be a good idea to put together a list of the
things that need testing and see if people are willing to help test / break
those things. My goal here is to get as much coverage as possible, and let
folks focus on really hammering on specific things rather than just
oks like most testing is done by doing
> an operation or running a load and seeing if it "worked" and no errors in
> logs.
>
> Another important thing will be to fix bugs asap ahead of testing, as
> fixes can lead to more bugs :)
>
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 7:52 AM Jonat
We haven’t even defined any requirements for an admin tool. It’s hard to
make a case for anything without agreement on what we’re trying to build.
On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 7:17 PM Jeff Jirsa wrote:
> How can we continue moving this forward?
>
> Mick/Jon/TLP folks, is there a path here where we
3 PM, sankalp kohli
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > How is this preventing someone from working and collaborating on an
> > Apache
> > > Project? You can still collaborate on making 4.0 more stable.
> > >
> > > Why will these committers
he community's prevailing
> rules around commit, and that you’re competent to do so.
>
> If the community wants to change those rules you’re trusted to follow, how
> does this modify your right, or the trust emplaced in you?
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 10 Jul 2018
I guess I look at the initial voting in of committers as the process
by which people are trusted to merge things in. This proposed process
revokes that trust. If Jonathan Ellis or Dave Brosius (arbitrarily
picked) wants to merge a new feature into trunk during the freeze, now
they're not allowed?
>
> Deferring huge amount of commits gives rebase/redo hell. That's the
> biggest impact and the order in which these deferred commits are then
> actually committed can make it more painful or less painful depending on
> the commit. And that in turn will have to then wait for each contributor
> to
t; >>>
> > > >>> This is more of a call to action and announcement of intent than an
> > > >>> attempt to enforce policy; we can and probably will branch off 4.0,
> > > and
> > > >>> keep trunk technically active. But so long as there
l these
> features be used?
>
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jonathan Haddad wrote:
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> > I don't see how changing the process and banning feature commits is
> > going to be any help to the project. There may be a couple committers
> > who are interested in commi
e things here. So if you are -1 on this, please help
> us propose something else to get these tests pass?
>
> And thanks for giving your feedback.
>
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 10:50 AM Jonathan Haddad wrote:
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> > Not everyone wants to work and collaborate the way you do. It seems
&g
+1,
I've come around on this, I think the long and short term benefits
will be worth it.
On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:17 AM Vinay Chella
wrote:
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> +1 nb
>
> Regards,
> Vinay Chella
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:15 AM Michael Shuler
> wrote:
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> > +0
> >
> > There are pros and cons. I do hope
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