The angst over Steffen's build sounds a bit more territorial than legal
to me. Just my 2c worth...
Tom, indeed that is my feeling : territorial.
There is more, see my next post about the Apache Feather I have to remove.
Steffen
- Original Message -
From: Tom Donovan [EMAIL
Hello Steffen,
I'm a Tomcat committer but not part of the httpd project. Nevertheless
as all projects we also need to control, how release candidates get
distributed. On the one hand we want a lot of testers to participate, on
the other hand we need to unambiguously tell people downloading the
I like to inform you all, just for the complete picture. There is more then
the RC issue in the other thread.
On request I have to remove the Feather, see the mail below.
So other Apache Community sites are warned. And maybe customer sites with
the Apache logo must be warned.
Till now I was
Rainer,
The announcement states it clearly. I had a discussion with Bill about 2.2.4
too in january, and he agreed on this.
-
Apache 2.2.5 Win32 RC available
Apache 2.2.5 Win32 RC is now available for download here at the Apache
Lounge. It is build without any modification to
On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 05:09:08PM -0500, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
Hmmm... seems that - even though we've *repeated* this multiple times,
we have to state this again. Contents of http://httpd.apache.org/dev/dist/
are *development* tarballs and not for any distribution.
It's called dist,
On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 11:49:10AM +0200, Steffen wrote:
Correct me if I wrong, but sometimes I have the feeling that ASF and/or
Covalent Technologies are not happy with the Apache Lounge.
You're wrong in that the ASF (and probably Covalent) are groups of
people that don't act with a single
On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 06:31:01PM -0500, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
* does it correspond to the tag?
* is it correctly licensed?
* is it correctly packaged?
* are any additions that appear to have IP encumbrances?
* does it build?
* does it run?
* does it pass the perl-framework
On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 09:46:50PM -0400, Tom Donovan wrote:
Maybe not threatening - but it is an eye-opener for some of us that the
Apache2 license protects released versions of Apache differently.
It doesn't.
My (possibly faulty) understanding was that the whole Redistribution
and
On Aug 18, 2007, at 8:00 PM, Issac Goldstand wrote:
Steffen,
I really don't see anything threatening by what Bill said. On the
contrary, he very openly said that there's nothing illegal about
releasing an RC; the way I read it, the potential problems are coming
from endusers who might use a
On Aug 19, 2007, at 7:08 AM, Colm MacCarthaigh wrote:
On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 09:46:50PM -0400, Tom Donovan wrote:
Maybe not threatening - but it is an eye-opener for some of us
that the
Apache2 license protects released versions of Apache differently.
It doesn't.
My (possibly faulty)
There are 2 issues:
o Making the test tarball of 2.2.5 available from a site
outside of the ASF (potentially with no indication that
it is not an official release).
o The feather issue.
The latter can, and should, certainly be handled by the
ASF Public Relations Cmmt ([EMAIL
On Aug 19, 2007, at 5:49 AM, Steffen wrote:
Correct me if I wrong, but sometimes I have the feeling that ASF
and/or
Covalent Technologies are not happy with the Apache Lounge. And
like Tom
said before: sounds a bit more territorial than legal to me.
Maybe Covalent Technologies is also
I am stumped.
I am dismayed at the corporate bullying from (one member of) the ASF which I
assumed was a collaborative organization - not such a dangerous legal
entity.
The admonishment not to use the feather or the Apache name resembles the
behavior of the very worst big-software
Colm MacCarthaigh wrote:
Like I said, as long as ApacheLounge makes clear that the versions it
carries are not ASF releases, it's certainly permitted by the license
and not the least bit out of the ordinary.
That's the point, isn't it??
--
Steffen wrote:
The admonishment not to use the feather or the Apache name resembles the
behavior of the very worst big-software corporations - and a reminder that
ASF is after all ... a corporation registered in Delaware, United
States... - not a fellowship of web server
Jim Jagielski wrote:
Steffen wrote:
The admonishment not to use the feather or the Apache name resembles the
behavior of the very worst big-software corporations - and a reminder that
ASF is after all ... a corporation registered in Delaware, United
States... - not a fellowship of web
There is a lot changing in the open-source world. I've seen a similar
discussion with MySQL, although not as painful as the issues we have now.
It seems that MySQL is now releasing Enterprise versions frequently and
Community versions infrequently.
I guess the Apache Foundation is now also
Steffen wrote:
There is a lot changing in the open-source world. I've seen a similar
discussion with MySQL, although not as painful as the issues we have now.
It seems that MySQL is now releasing Enterprise versions frequently and
Community versions infrequently.
This is comparing
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Not so far, from their site:
Since Covalent maintains close ties with the ASF and employees expert staff
who work on the Apache HTTP project full time as code committers, we are
committed to supporting our customers who use Apache HTTP either
Colm MacCarthaigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 05:09:08PM -0500, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
Hmmm... seems that - even though we've *repeated* this multiple times,
we have to state this again. Contents of http://httpd.apache.org/dev/dist/
are *development* tarballs and
Steffen wrote:
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Not so far, from their site:
Since Covalent maintains close ties with the ASF and employees expert staff
who work on the Apache HTTP project full time as code committers, we are
committed to supporting our customers who use
Joe Schaefer wrote:
Colm MacCarthaigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sat, Aug 18, 2007 at 05:09:08PM -0500, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
Hmmm... seems that - even though we've *repeated* this multiple times,
we have to state this again. Contents of http://httpd.apache.org/dev/dist/
are
On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 12:16:03PM -0400, Jim Jagielski wrote:
Colm MacCarthaigh wrote:
Like I said, as long as ApacheLounge makes clear that the versions it
carries are not ASF releases, it's certainly permitted by the license
and not the least bit out of the ordinary.
That's the
Colm MacCarthaigh wrote:
On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 12:16:03PM -0400, Jim Jagielski wrote:
Colm MacCarthaigh wrote:
Like I said, as long as ApacheLounge makes clear that the versions it
carries are not ASF releases, it's certainly permitted by the license
and not the least bit out of
On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 02:40:39PM -0500, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
The bottom line is that nobody took issue with Jeff's or my comments. They
are free to do so. Colm has this time around. His points don't quite jive,
if you offered a patch set and said hey, this is the difference between
Colm MacCarthaigh wrote:
On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 02:40:39PM -0500, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
The bottom line is that nobody took issue with Jeff's or my comments. They
are free to do so. Colm has this time around. His points don't quite jive,
if you offered a patch set and said hey, this
Guys,
How about everyone take a deep breath here. Right now it's about helping not
hurting. It's about trying to deliver a product which clearly needs some vision
to a customer base that is increasingly becoming IIS dependant (check the
Netcraft numbers).
You're all missing the bigger
On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 03:05:14PM -0500, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
You specifically mentioned how many distros have patched sources, and
that's true (and not an issue). What I asked was, are there distros which
ship our release candidates before they are released, and if so, are they
I am trying to resolve a similar problem, where I want to extract just the
a href= alone from the response content. Not intersted in parsing and
getting other tag URI information.
-Mani
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From: Tim Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: modules-dev@httpd.apache.org
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