> KDE Plasma seem to be more technically advanced than GNOME.
The problem is, the more technically advanced a system is, in many cases, the
less user friendly it is. For example, when you're confusing people who are
actual software engineers by asking them if they want a Blowfish encrypted KDE
Vít Ondruch wrote:
> In any case, I prefer to use Gtk apps for Gnome and I assume this is the
> case for Gnome users. Similarly I won't be surprised if KDE users prefer
> QT apps.
I suppose there might be some people who get so emotionally attached to
a widget library that they don't want to
Peter Boy wrote:
> Well, a switch from Gnome to KDE would require a lot of changes in
> everyday applications, e.g. Mail. That is not required when you update
> from Gnome 2 to Gnome 3.
Well, in principle, GNOME applications will usually work under Plasma and
the other way round. But in practice
Leslie Satenstein via devel wrote:
> The Cellphone user is very comfortable with Gnome. So much so, that I
> believe that if he was given KDE as the interface, two things would
> happen. a) The user will switch to Gnome, or b) The user will find a way
> to add his favourite applications to the
Tomasz Torcz wrote:
> GNOME (Mutter) maximizes windows if they initially take 80% of more
> screen space.
And I believe that that, too, was a refinement added in later releases.
IIRC, GNOME 3.0 just maximized everything.
Kevin Kofler
--
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Am 05.04.24 um 12:20 schrieb Vít Ondruch:
Dne 04. 04. 24 v 17:32 Kevin Kofler via devel napsal(a):
Neal Gompa wrote:
By default, GNOME only presents the close window button. The other
buttons are missing, and there isn't really an intuitive way to
discover the other window management actions.
> Am 05.04.2024 um 14:16 schrieb Kevin Kofler via devel
> :
>
> Peter Boy wrote:
>>>
>>> . . .
>>
>> This is an absolute no-go! It would break everyone’s usage of Fedora
>> Workstation
>
> It would be a major change, yes. Though not really different from the
> aforementioned upgrade to
I am an old geezer with about 60 years of IT experience, from mainframe to
cellphone.I am self-convinced that dropping gnome for KDE as a default would be
BAD.Why?Today, everyone who ones a cellphone, has on his phone a set of icons.
Some are there by default, some are there as extra
On Fri, Apr 05, 2024 at 12:20:51PM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote:
>
> Dne 04. 04. 24 v 17:32 Kevin Kofler via devel napsal(a):
> > Neal Gompa wrote:
> > > By default, GNOME only presents the close window button. The other
> > > buttons are missing, and there isn't really an intuitive way to
> > >
We didnt withdraw it because, well to be completely honest, we are afraid
that, if we do that, in the eyes of the community at least, we will abandon
the idea completely and any subsequent effort would be undermined as a
result.
It’s kindof a case of « damned if you do and damned if you don’t »…
Peter Boy wrote:
> I'm probably not the right person to comment on this, because I completely
> abandoned Fedora Desktop when it was hit (badly) by Gnome 3. That
> destroyed my daily workflow and work routines and made it unusable (for
> me), or at least barely usable for serious professional work
I'm probably not the right person to comment on this, because I completely
abandoned Fedora Desktop when it was hit (badly) by Gnome 3. That destroyed my
daily workflow and work routines and made it unusable (for me), or at least
barely usable for serious professional work not related to
On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 3:03 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 04, 2024 at 04:26:52PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Thu, 2024-04-04 at 18:35 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 6:17 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wed,
Dne 04. 04. 24 v 17:32 Kevin Kofler via devel napsal(a):
Neal Gompa wrote:
By default, GNOME only presents the close window button. The other
buttons are missing, and there isn't really an intuitive way to
discover the other window management actions.
I agree that there are no other
On Thu, Apr 04, 2024 at 04:26:52PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2024-04-04 at 18:35 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 6:17 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 03, 2024 at 11:21:36AM -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> > > > So here are
On Thu, 2024-04-04 at 18:35 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 6:17 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 03, 2024 at 11:21:36AM -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> > > So here are three brainstorming proposals:
> > >
> > > (a) Fedora KDE Plasma Desktop
On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 6:17 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 03, 2024 at 11:21:36AM -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> > So here are three brainstorming proposals:
> >
> > (a) Fedora KDE Plasma Desktop becomes a Fedora edition. We'd need to be
> > careful about how we do it. I
On Wed, Apr 03, 2024 at 11:21:36AM -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> So here are three brainstorming proposals:
>
> (a) Fedora KDE Plasma Desktop becomes a Fedora edition. We'd need to be
> careful about how we do it. I would still promote Fedora Workstation as the
> main/recommended "leading"
On 4/4/24 15:36, Przemek Klosowski via devel wrote:
On 4/3/24 17:49, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
And is there a statistical evaluation of that data somewhere? Downloading
350 MiB (!) of raw CSV data does not sound to me like a convenient way to
work with it.
It's messy, but interesting.
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 at 16:37, Przemek Klosowski via devel <
devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> On 4/3/24 17:49, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
>
>
>
Thanks for doing this. I would have loved to find a way to just have
gnuplot do this nightly
> And is there a statistical evaluation of that
On 4/3/24 17:49, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
And is there a statistical evaluation of that data somewhere? Downloading
350 MiB (!) of raw CSV data does not sound to me like a convenient way to
work with it.
It's messy, but interesting. Here's the architecture data for the last 3
or so
Den ons 3 apr. 2024 kl 23:27 skrev Kevin Kofler via devel <
devel@lists.fedoraproject.org>:
> Andreas Tunek wrote:
> > From Red Hat's POV it is not Fedora Gnome Workstation (
> >
> https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2020/05/07/gnome-is-not-the-default-for-fedora-workstation/
> > ).
>
> TL;DR: "We do
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024, 16:35 Kevin Kofler via devel, <
devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> Neal Gompa wrote:
> > By default, GNOME only presents the close window button. The other
> > buttons are missing, and there isn't really an intuitive way to
> > discover the other window management
Neal Gompa wrote:
> By default, GNOME only presents the close window button. The other
> buttons are missing, and there isn't really an intuitive way to
> discover the other window management actions.
In the version I tried, and judging from end user reports, for several
years, it did not even
Leon Fauster via devel wrote:
> 10 minutes is not enough to do a remodeling of the "familiar"
> experience, so that you reaches the so called realm of intuition.
> The latter is something that we learn over time and the desktop
> environment does not offer this on its own. It provides only a
>
Kilian Hanich via devel wrote:
> About the release cycle: After the initial release of Plasma 6 when dust
> has mostly settled down (approx. 2 point releases), they want to switch
> over to a release cycle which would align (which is likely also the
> reason why F42 was choosen in this proposal).
Gordon Messmer wrote:
> If RPM's ELF dependency generator were better, the importance of
> stability would be debatable, but as it is, I really think Fedora should
> be more stable than it is, especially for whatever it defines as "the
> OS." Today, dnf/rpm will happily allow users to install an
Gordon Messmer wrote:
> "When you are using the Linux mark pursuant to a sublicense, it should
> never be used as a verb or noun. It should be used only as an adjective
> followed by the generic name/noun. In other words, “Super Dooper Linux
> OS” is okay, but “Super Dooper Linux” isn’t."
>
>
With that being said though, I would rather this discussion not to devolve
into a "Which DE is better".
I've said that in the past, but each Desktop Environment has their merits,
and discussing "Which is better" is as fruitless as "Mac vs PC" or "Android
vs iOS" fights.
On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at
Problem with extensions is, while they are *technically* supported by
gnome, they can break with any update (It has happened to me in the past).
Heck, it kinda reminds me of hacks people use to get around the junk people
put in Windows 10/11...
On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 8:09 AM Leslie Satenstein via
There is, if you add 1 extension, a category menu. That is the menu that is
similar to other desktop interfaces such as Budgie, XFCE, and other.
Leslie Satenstein
On Thursday, April 4, 2024 at 08:03:13 a.m. EDT, Stephen Smoogen
wrote:
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 at 04:38, Vít
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 at 04:38, Vít Ondruch wrote:
>
>
> Maybe you should give it second try.
>
>
What I am going to say is not meant to be a bash in any way.
I am on my 10th try for GNOME3/40. For everything they move to somewhere my
brain says is intuitive, there always seems to be something
On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 4:38 AM Vít Ondruch wrote:
>
>
> Dne 04. 04. 24 v 0:44 Kevin Kofler via devel napsal(a):
> > Leon Fauster via devel wrote:
> >> I already had RHL installed on a Sun IPX with Gnome, so I'm biased.
> > Interesting that you were not put off by the changes that have happened to
Dne 04. 04. 24 v 0:44 Kevin Kofler via devel napsal(a):
Leon Fauster via devel wrote:
I already had RHL installed on a Sun IPX with Gnome, so I'm biased.
Interesting that you were not put off by the changes that have happened to
GNOME since the old RHL days. I tried GNOME 1 at one point long
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 at 10:40, Aoife Moloney wrote:
> Wiki - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FedoraPlasmaWorkstation
>
> This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes
> process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive
> community feedback. This proposal
From what I've been reading it seems the path of least resistance is to just
keep the Fedora Workstation branding and have two options: GNOME or KDE
Plasma. I don't believe that it should be overly confusing to ask people to
pick one. I just asked Google Gemini to come up with a suggestion
On 2024-04-03 14:27, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
I am not sure I buy this argument. By the same argument, we should also not
call the OS "Fedora Linux" because it implies there is also a "Fedora BSD"
or "Fedora Hurd" or even "Fedora Windows" or something.
Personally, I think the reason we
Am 04.04.24 um 03:00 schrieb Gordon Messmer:
I think this gets to the heart of the issue. If we set aside subjective
arguments about which desktop is better or more popular, only one of
these desktops allows Fedora to publish a stable operating system which
is a coherent whole, because only one
On 2024-04-03 11:35, Andreas Tunek wrote:
From Red Hat's POV it is not Fedora Gnome Workstation
(https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2020/05/07/gnome-is-not-the-default-for-fedora-workstation/).
I think this gets to the heart of the issue. If we set aside subjective
arguments about which desktop
Am 04.04.24 um 01:46 schrieb Sam Varshavchik:
This is not going to happen.
There's going to be someone else, sitting next to them, who will be
teaching the new user how to use a computer. And that someone will
/also/ be familiar with traditional desktop concepts and paradigms.
They, like the
Am 04.04.24 um 01:03 schrieb Kevin Kofler via devel:
You make a good point there. The thing is, GNOME tries really hard to design
for new users, whom they define as a user who has never before used a
computer. Such users are basically on the edge of extinction. A paradigm
that works great for
Am 04.04.24 um 00:44 schrieb Kevin Kofler via devel:
Leon Fauster via devel wrote:
I already had RHL installed on a Sun IPX with Gnome, so I'm biased.
Interesting that you were not put off by the changes that have happened to
GNOME since the old RHL days. I tried GNOME 1 at one point long
Kevin Kofler via devel writes:
You make a good point there. The thing is, GNOME tries really hard to design
for new users, whom they define as a user who has never before used a
computer.
So, someone who never used at a computer before sits down in front of a new,
empty, Gnome desktop, and
Aaron Rainbolt wrote:
> Still, one could make some case for this. Plasma is, for one, obviously
> going to be more familiar to newcomers to the Linux world simply by
> virtue of the fact that the paradigms presented by its initial
> configuration are more familiar to those coming from the Windows
Leon Fauster via devel wrote:
> I already had RHL installed on a Sun IPX with Gnome, so I'm biased.
Interesting that you were not put off by the changes that have happened to
GNOME since the old RHL days. I tried GNOME 1 at one point long ago, it was
actually pretty good. (It was very
On 4/3/24 16:49, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
Stephen Smoogen wrote:
Downloads are very hard to measure because too many things are grabbing
everything from mirrors for different reasons. [Plus various people seem
to think manipulating the stats for their particular spin on the number of
Stephen Smoogen wrote:
> Downloads are very hard to measure because too many things are grabbing
> everything from mirrors for different reasons. [Plus various people seem
> to think manipulating the stats for their particular spin on the number of
> downloads will make it more popular (I am
Steve Cossette wrote:
> Another route would be to go the Ubuntu route, if you really don't want to
> stop having Workstation as the default: Spin (pun intended) the KDE spin
> on it's own branding. Though I do understand that is an undertaking on
> it's own. It would still be Fedora, about as much
Andreas Tunek wrote:
> From Red Hat's POV it is not Fedora Gnome Workstation (
> https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2020/05/07/gnome-is-not-the-default-for-fedora-workstation/
> ).
TL;DR: "We do not want 'GNOME' in the name because we want to only support
GNOME in Workstation, whereas 'GNOME
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 at 17:03, Kevin Kofler via devel <
devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > to you? They are quite relevent to others...
>
> I would really like to see what the proportion of users downloading the
> Server, IoT, Cloud, and CoreOS Editions is compared to
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> to you? They are quite relevent to others...
I would really like to see what the proportion of users downloading the
Server, IoT, Cloud, and CoreOS Editions is compared to Workstation or the
Spins. I would not expect it to be very high. Most Fedora users are desktop
users.
On 4/3/24 13:56, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2024-04-03 at 20:24 +0200, Marc Deop i Argemí wrote:
Let's assume that we all agree with what you stated ( and I personally partly
do).
Why do we promote Workstation (with Gnome) over any other alternative that
might arise? (in this case, a
On 4/3/24 14:56, Adam Williamson wrote:
If you have two equally good options and you already picked one, you should
stick with it, not just switch between them every so often for the sake
of it. If Plasma were demonstrably, markedly and uncontroversially
*superior* to GNOME (please don't take
Luis Correia wrote:
> I'm mostly a user and I can accept a change from GNOME to KDE, IF and only
> if I'm not forced to use Wayland.
>
> For me it isn't usable in my setup and most things are plain broken.
As the maintainer of plasma-workspace-x11 and kwin-x11, I can assure you
that that will
Am 03.04.24 um 20:56 schrieb Adam Williamson:
On Wed, 2024-04-03 at 20:24 +0200, Marc Deop i Argemí wrote:
Let's assume that we all agree with what you stated ( and I personally partly
do).
Why do we promote Workstation (with Gnome) over any other alternative that
might arise? (in this case,
On Wed, 2024-04-03 at 20:24 +0200, Marc Deop i Argemí wrote:
>
> Let's assume that we all agree with what you stated ( and I personally partly
> do).
>
> Why do we promote Workstation (with Gnome) over any other alternative that
> might arise? (in this case, a Fedora Workstation KDE)
It's an
On Wednesday, 3 April 2024 01:48:47 CEST Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 02, 2024 at 04:06:45PM -0400, Steve Cossette wrote:
> > Alright, so a substantial amount of information changed since the original
> > submission of the change proposal. We aren't necessarily thinking of
> > demoting Gnome.
Peter Boy wrote:
> We would be pretty silly if we did that. This differentiation and the
> associated quality and safeguarding criteria are a model for success and
> one of our differentiation criteria.
I think that is a quite pointless "differentiation criteria". Most users do
not even
Steve Cossette wrote:
> Putting aside that i heard from Neal Gompa that anaconda cannot
> accommodate a « multi-flavor » media, can you imagine how big that iso
> would be? Forget 4gb, it’d probably be closer to 20gb!
We used to have multiboot live images that let you pick the live image
flavor
Topic change for one minute
With the Everything.iso, there is a recovery option, which presents questions
pertaining to a Fedora installation needing a security scan (eg systemctl
daemon-reload).
Has anyone succeeded in the recovery script working to completion? I raise the
question here, as
Den ons 3 apr. 2024 kl 18:45 skrev Neal Gompa :
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:22 PM Michael Catanzaro
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 2 2024 at 06:18:31 PM -07:00:00, Adam Williamson
> > wrote:
> > > I mean, we really don't need to speculate about this much. We did an
> > > entire overhaul
Hello Michael, and thanks for replying.
(a) Fedora KDE Plasma Desktop becomes a Fedora edition. We'd need to
be careful about how we do it. I would still promote Fedora Workstation
as the main/recommended "leading" desktop, would call Plasma an
"alternative desktop option," and would strongly
On Wed, Apr 03, 2024 at 04:24:08AM +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > Why not the opposite:
> >
> > Download Workstation
> >
> > [I'm a linux user and know what I want, just show me the full list of
> > downloads, click here]?
>
> Because that still leads people to
On Wed, Apr 03, 2024 at 06:17:59PM +0200, Leon Fauster via devel wrote:
> Am 02.04.24 um 23:32 schrieb Adam Williamson:
> > On Tue, 2024-04-02 at 17:37 -0300, Sergio Belkin wrote:
> > >
> > > I am a happy KDE user, since the good old days of version 1.0. I celebrate
> > > this decision! My
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:22 PM Michael Catanzaro wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 2 2024 at 06:18:31 PM -07:00:00, Adam Williamson
> wrote:
> > I mean, we really don't need to speculate about this much. We did an
> > entire overhaul of the project - Fedora.next - which was explicitly
> > based around
On Tue, Apr 2 2024 at 06:18:31 PM -07:00:00, Adam Williamson
wrote:
I mean, we really don't need to speculate about this much. We did an
entire overhaul of the project - Fedora.next - which was explicitly
based around making it much more focused and less of a
choose-your-own-
adventure,
Am 02.04.24 um 23:32 schrieb Adam Williamson:
On Tue, 2024-04-02 at 17:37 -0300, Sergio Belkin wrote:
I am a happy KDE user, since the good old days of version 1.0. I celebrate
this decision! My recognition goes to the enormous and sustained work of
the entire KDE community.
Cheers,
Sergiio
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 4:08 AM Steve Cossette wrote:
> Alright, so a substantial amount of information changed since the original
> submission of the change proposal.
>
It did? Because the page still reads:
*"Switch the default desktop experience for Workstation to KDE Plasma."*
> We aren't
Putting aside that i heard from Neal Gompa that anaconda cannot accommodate
a « multi-flavor » media, can you imagine how big that iso would be? Forget
4gb, it’d probably be closer to 20gb!
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 09:49 Leslie Satenstein via devel <
devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> Perhaps
Hi Adam,
I lived through the 2011 period, and at that time the number of people
available for KDE software support was insufficient. In an earlier response I
suggested that a single website is where we should be focusing more info about
the various isos.
We don't need a separate set of web
Perhaps something like the "Everything.iso" could be top-leveled on the
website, to include Workstation, KDE, et al, in their full "Everything.iso"
details. That will let me decide, beforehand, what it is that I want to
download.
Keep the individual iso-webpage relationship simple, referring
It is not an april fools joke.
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 04:37 Peter Boy wrote:
>
>
> > Am 02.04.2024 um 22:06 schrieb Steve Cossette :
> >
> > ... The overall spirit of the CP is that we think KDE, and to some
> extent the other spins too, need a bit more visibility on the website. …
> > ...
> >
> Am 03.04.2024 um 03:51 schrieb Kevin Kofler via devel
> :
>
> Fedora 21 has introduced the Editions vs. Spins distinction, Fedora 2*21=42
> would be a good time to retire it.
We would be pretty silly if we did that. This differentiation and the
associated quality and safeguarding
> Am 03.04.2024 um 03:18 schrieb Adam Williamson :
>
>
> I mean, we really don't need to speculate about this much. We did an
> entire overhaul of the project - Fedora.next - which was explicitly
> based around making it much more focused and less of a choose-your-own-
> adventure, …
And
> Am 02.04.2024 um 22:06 schrieb Steve Cossette :
>
> ... The overall spirit of the CP is that we think KDE, and to some extent the
> other spins too, need a bit more visibility on the website. …
> ...
> We've been discussing it in Matrix, and we can't seem to reach a consensus as
> to what
El mié., 3 abr. 2024 3:22, Adam Williamson
escribió:
> On Tue, 2024-04-02 at 21:15 -0400, Steve Cossette wrote:
> > I get your point, Kevin. I would argue though that, if a user is looking
> to
> > use Linux, they probably got a decent idea as to what DE they want to
> use.
> > There are SO
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 at 03:24, Kevin Kofler via devel <
devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > Why not the opposite:
> >
> > Download Workstation
> >
> > [I'm a linux user and know what I want, just show me the full list of
> > downloads, click here]?
>
> Because that still
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> Why not the opposite:
>
> Download Workstation
>
> [I'm a linux user and know what I want, just show me the full list of
> downloads, click here]?
Because that still leads people to click that "Download Workstation" link
before even seeing the options. "I do not want to
Adam Williamson wrote:
> I mean, we really don't need to speculate about this much. We did an
> entire overhaul of the project - Fedora.next
That was for Fedora 21 in 2014! As you stated it, I know you and I have been
around forever and 2014 feels like yesterday, but it was really quite a long
Steve Cossette wrote:
> Sorry, that's pretty much how things are right now, is that what you were
> trying to demonstrate?
>
> I'm not really following.
Not really. The current design is better than those old designs that
immediately served you an ISO when you clicked "Download now", but the
On Wed, Apr 03, 2024 at 02:36:07AM +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > Ok, thats obvously somewhat tounge in cheek, but if we promote multiple
> > things, we need some way to describe them to uses who might not know the
> > history of things and do it in a quick enough
Sorry, that's pretty much how things are right now, is that what you were
trying to demonstrate?
I'm not really following.
Personally, if we were to promote both KDE and Gnome on the website, I'd
make it dead simple. I really suck at making graphics so I'll try to put it
in text:
I imagine a
On Tue, 2024-04-02 at 21:15 -0400, Steve Cossette wrote:
> I get your point, Kevin. I would argue though that, if a user is looking to
> use Linux, they probably got a decent idea as to what DE they want to use.
> There are SO MANY LINUX DISTROS! Making a choice between two is
> honestly
I get your point, Kevin. I would argue though that, if a user is looking to
use Linux, they probably got a decent idea as to what DE they want to use.
There are SO MANY LINUX DISTROS! Making a choice between two is
honestly probably not that jarring imo.
On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 7:49 PM Kevin
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> Ok, thats obvously somewhat tounge in cheek, but if we promote multiple
> things, we need some way to describe them to uses who might not know the
> history of things and do it in a quick enough way that they won't decide
> it's all confusing and go do something else.
It is
Am 03.04.24 um 01:48 schrieb Kevin Fenzi:
On Tue, Apr 02, 2024 at 04:06:45PM -0400, Steve Cossette wrote:
Alright, so a substantial amount of information changed since the original
submission of the change proposal. We aren't necessarily thinking of
demoting Gnome. The overall spirit of the CP
On Tue, Apr 02, 2024 at 04:06:45PM -0400, Steve Cossette wrote:
> Alright, so a substantial amount of information changed since the original
> submission of the change proposal. We aren't necessarily thinking of
> demoting Gnome. The overall spirit of the CP is that we think KDE, and to
> some
Steve Cossette wrote:
> We essentially just want more visibility on the website, if that makes
> sense.
Back when I was still a KDE SIG member, whenever we brought that up with the
Websites Team, they would just point us to the Board (what is now the
Council), and the Board would point us back
Adam Williamson wrote:
> Change proposals can be, and frequently are, rejected.
If you look at the statistics, they very rarely are. A lot of bad changes
with lots of criticism on the mailing list were waved through by FESCo. But
if they dare touching a Red Hat holy cow such as the dogma of
>
> it’s not a change.
> --
> --
> Sergio Belkin
> LPIC-2 Certified - http://www.lpi.org
>
It's not a change already decided I meant :) !
sorry for the noise
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On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 5:32 PM Adam Williamson
wrote:
> On Tue, 2024-04-02 at 17:37 -0300, Sergio Belkin wrote:
> >
> > I am a happy KDE user, since the good old days of version 1.0. I
> celebrate
> > this decision! My recognition goes to the enormous and
El mar, 2 abr 2024 a las 18:32, Adam Williamson ()
escribió:
> On Tue, 2024-04-02 at 17:37 -0300, Sergio Belkin wrote:
> >
> > I am a happy KDE user, since the good old days of version 1.0. I
> celebrate
> > this decision! My recognition goes to the enormous and sustained work of
> > the entire
On Tue, 2024-04-02 at 17:37 -0300, Sergio Belkin wrote:
>
> I am a happy KDE user, since the good old days of version 1.0. I celebrate
> this decision! My recognition goes to the enormous and sustained work of
> the entire KDE community.
> Cheers,
> Sergiio
To be clear, there is no 'decision'.
El mar, 2 abr 2024 a las 6:40, Aoife Moloney ()
escribió:
> Wiki - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FedoraPlasmaWorkstation
>
> This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes
> process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive
> community feedback. This
Alright, so a substantial amount of information changed since the original
submission of the change proposal. We aren't necessarily thinking of
demoting Gnome. The overall spirit of the CP is that we think KDE, and to
some extent the other spins too, need a bit more visibility on the website.
At
On 4/2/24 03:50 PM, Steve Cossette wrote:
Well, we did submit this yesterday around 2:30-3:00PM EST, guessing it was a
bit too late.
But the proposal is 1000% serious.
I'm glad to hear you say that, as I switched to KDE around the time of Gnome3
and never looked back.
Steve
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Well, we did submit this yesterday around 2:30-3:00PM EST, guessing it was
a bit too late.
But the proposal is 1000% serious.
On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 3:46 PM Jonathan Wakely wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 at 19:44, Richard Hughes wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 at 10:40, Aoife Moloney wrote:
>
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 at 19:44, Richard Hughes wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 at 10:40, Aoife Moloney wrote:
> > Switch the default desktop experience for Workstation to KDE Plasma.
> > The GNOME desktop is moved to a separate spin / edition, retaining
> > release-blocking status.
>
> If this is an
On Tue, Apr 02, 2024 at 06:44:02PM +, Richard Hughes wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 at 10:40, Aoife Moloney wrote:
> > Switch the default desktop experience for Workstation to KDE Plasma.
> > The GNOME desktop is moved to a separate spin / edition, retaining
> > release-blocking status.
>
> If
On Tue, 2024-04-02 at 21:05 +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Aoife Moloney wrote:
> > Switch the default desktop experience for Workstation to KDE Plasma.
> > The GNOME desktop is moved to a separate spin / edition, retaining
> > release-blocking status.
>
> It is funny that the KDE SIG is
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