Is there any estimated time when paid apps will be allowed to Harbour?
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2013-11-12 19:45 GMT+01:00 Martin Kolman martin.kol...@gmail.com:
12.11.2013 17:57, David Greaves:
Last I heard the plan was to allow the Mer OBS to build SailfishOS rpms.
Sounds great, fingers crossed! :)
Hi,
Will there be OBS for Sailfish available?
Regards,
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2013/11/12 Karl Granström karl.granst...@jolla.com
Ahoy all,
We managed to fix all issues with the Harbour and it is open again for all
of you to dock there harbour.jolla.com.
Few updates:
We currently support only 3
12.11.2013 17:57, David Greaves:
Last I heard the plan was to allow the Mer OBS to build SailfishOS rpms.
Sounds great, fingers crossed! :)
David
On 12/11/13 15:18, Marcin M. wrote:
Hi,
Will there be OBS for Sailfish available?
Regards,
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2013/11/12 Karl Granström
Well, about Michal's point: I agree it'll be hard on Sailfish.
I think that the best measure against so-called piracy is a dynamic price
changing possibility as in AppStore as previously said.
But I won't agree about $650 - not everyone can buy first-minute device.
And take it in account that in
Hey Marcin,
But I won't agree about $650 - not everyone can buy first-minute
device. And take it in account that in some countries (like Poland)
minimal pay is $400. New N900 is half of that in Poland. And if
you'd like to expand to countries like Uzbekistan, Kazachstan,
Ukraine, Belarus,
Hi Ronni,
indeed it would be great to get a tentative timeframe for the availability
of paid apps in Jolla Harbour!
Best,
tortoisedoc
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Michal Jerz i...@my-jolla.com wrote:
Hi Ronni,
Thank you very much for your reply. The only thing that worries me is how
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Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store
On 07-Nov-13 01:42, Jonni Rainisto wrote:
We are working hard on adding copy protection
In the context of Will you support DRM? No in your FAQ, and having an
open, hackable device environment, please do elaborate. I sincerely hope
of
Attila Csipa [q...@csipa.in.rs mailto:q...@csipa.in.rs]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:37 AM
To: Mohammed Hassan; Sailfish OS Developers
Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store
On 07-Nov-13 15:51, Mohammed Hassan wrote
Well, indeed it's better than the hour is spent to provide better apps for
Sailfish than to do some freaky copy-protection, finally broken by some
talented hacker (If iOS is jailbroken, WAT in Win7 broken, why should
Jolla's library avoid that?)
... Or to spend this hour to bring xwayland! ;)
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On 07-Nov-13 22:02, Jonni Rainisto wrote:
But feel free to give suggestions what kind of API's you would prefer to
have as a developer in Harbour to make your life easier.
1. Expose/Tunnel/Replicate Silica to Android Qt apps
2. Expose other half APIs to Android apps
That would be pretty much
People who won't have money - won't buy. If they can't
use the apps, they won't use the system. And choose
Android/Jailbroken iOS
The N9 costed $650 and generally wasn't subsidized, so it certainly wasn't a
phone for 'poor people'. How could have a person afforded a $650 smartphone
but not
Maybe Humble Bundle strategy then? Pay as more as you can and then you
can get apps you want :)
On 09.11.2013 03:48, Michal Jerz wrote:
People who won't have money - won't buy. If they can't
use the apps, they won't use the system. And choose
Android/Jailbroken iOS
The N9 costed $650 and
indeed it's better that the hour is spent to provide better
apps for Sailfish than to do some freaky copy-protection,
finally broken by some talented hacker
Let's not exaggerate. I don't think that making the copy-protection stuff
would be such a permanent and lengthy process that otherwise
On 08-Nov-13 13:48, Michal Jerz wrote:
So it is actually a matter of *ALTERNATIVE COST*. Make it sufficiently
cumbersome (and possibly also risky) and at least SOME people will find
paying $1 simply EASIER and QUICKER than bothering with not so easily
installable and potentially risky stuff. Or
On the other hand I guess I would start to care if the
copy protection functionality (if implemented in the end)
limited OS/device functionality
I guess that Ronni of Jolla confirmed that it won't, and at this point I
have no reasons not to trust him...
leaked sensitive information, etc.
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Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store
And what about in-app-store
Ahoy,
thank you for all the interest in the Harbour. First of all a big apology for
for the problems that we are having here at Harbour - we faced some unexpected
issues due to a small storm that passed by and are working hard to resolve them.
We will keep you posted when you can dock again to
Well, the whole problem with repos and deps is not about the user side but
the server side ;) Maemo.org doesn't expose DiffIndex like Debian does but
normal Packages and Release (maybe compressed). DiffIndex would greatly
reduce download time.
About the storing list of apps on-device... Hmm... In
On 07-Nov-13 12:06, Marcin M. wrote:
Well, the whole problem with repos and deps is not about the user side
but the server side ;) Maemo.org doesn't expose DiffIndex like Debian
does but normal Packages and Release (maybe compressed). DiffIndex would
greatly reduce download time.
It's like the
The same question - those two seem to be a direct contradiction.
BTW another counterexample: On BB10 you can't even read the stdout log of
signed apps, making debuging of signed applications very difficult.
Dne 07.11.2013 21:09 napsal uživatel Attila Csipa:
On 07-Nov-13 01:42, Jonni Rainisto
Hi Ronni,
Thank you very much for your reply. The only thing that worries me is how
you wrote:
Currently Jolla Harbour only supports free applications. We are
working hard on adding copy protection and application payment
support in the future. More details will be published when
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On 07-Nov-13 01:42, Jonni Rainisto wrote:
We are working hard on adding
Attila wrote:
In the context of Will you support DRM? No in your FAQ, and
having an open, hackable device environment, please do elaborate.
I sincerely hope that Jolla has learned from the Aegis experience
and general success of copy-protection schemes on other
platforms.
When asking the
Ronni wrote:
copy protection library is just supposed to make cracking
and copying process hard enough so that most of the people
will just choose to use store for getting their rpm's. And
to give app developers easier ways to give some protection
their applications so direct .rpm file copy
On 07-Nov-13 13:40, Jonni Rainisto wrote:
DRM has nothing to to do with with copy protection.
Copy protection *is* one of the cornerstones of DRM (which, arguably, is
a lot broader term). Feel free to check wikipedia :)
Hopefully that answered your question.
Not quite :) What I'm
On 07-Nov-13 13:42, Michal Jerz wrote:
So it's like with door locks. Despite none of them being 100% proof to
unauthorized opening, somehow people continue to use them in their doors
rather than just having doors without any locks only because they're not
100% secure. They at least REDUCE abuse.
Hi Attila,
On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 03:03:21PM -0800, Attila Csipa wrote:
[...]
Hopefully that answered your question.
Not quite :) What I'm interested in is what *will* be there (or,
rather, what resources will it limit) as opposed to what is NOT
going to be there (whether not having Aegis
On 07-Nov-13 15:51, Mohammed Hassan wrote:
Not quite :) What I'm interested in is what *will* be there (or,
rather, what resources will it limit) as opposed to what is NOT
going to be there (whether not having Aegis there is good, or bad,
depends on what you will have there instead is better or
Attila wrote:
Without serious research, I will contest that as wishful
thinking. [...]
If existing stores are anything to go by, the *ease* of
how easily one can legally get to your content (at the
micro-pricing levels) will, in effect, dwarf the impact
of any DRM scheme.
Well, as
On 07-Nov-13 17:31, Michal Jerz wrote:
Well, as Ronni wrote, using their copy-protection library is going to be
entirely OPTIONAL, so its existence should not hurt anyone
That will depend on what it actually does, and what kind of support it
requires from the system. At the most benign
From what I understand,
copy protection is going to be a service on Jolla devices (usable by
applications which like to do so),
but not completely necessary, ie an application can choose if to rely on it
or not.
Is this correct?
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:37 AM, Attila Csipa q...@csipa.in.rs
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Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store
On 07-Nov-13 15:51, Mohammed Hassan wrote:
Not quite :) What I'm interested in is what
Ahoy all,
Today we're launching Jolla Harbour harbour.jolla.com, the portal for
submitting applications to the Jolla Store.
You can submit and manage your applications. Consumers will be able to install
them directly from their Jolla phones.
Here are some details about Jolla Harbour:
Joining
Hi,
Great news.
I take the opportunity to ask if there will be a service to test apps
remotely on real device in the future.
Currently ownNotes is working fine in the emulator, but someone report
me that my app complains about missing libc.so.6 on a real device.
Thanks,
Regards
Le
Please more information about Harbour:
- it can accept only single files, means i cant upload some libraries,
required as depends for my appliction?
- does it acts as repository?
On 06.11.2013 17:06, Karl Granström wrote:
Ahoy all,
Today we're launching Jolla Harbour harbour.jolla.com, the
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To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org
Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store
Please more information about Harbour:
- it can accept only single files, means i cant upload some libraries,
required as depends
1:40 PM
To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org
Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store
Please more information about Harbour:
- it can accept only single files, means i cant upload some libraries,
required as depends for my appliction?
- does it acts as repository?
On 06.11.2013 17
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HI,
AFAIK, uploading libraries to store is forbidden, you can only depend on
common mer/nemomobile libraries in .spec/rpm Requires field.
re, Jonni
, November 06, 2013 5:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store
And what about in-app-store depends? (Free app, paid databases, databases
depend on the free app)
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HI,
AFAIK, uploading libraries to store is forbidden, you can only
depend on common mer/nemomobile
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And what about in-app-store depends? (Free app, paid databases,
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And what about in-app-store depends? (Free app, paid
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HI,
AFAIK, uploading libraries to store is forbidden, you can only depend on
common mer/nemomobile libraries in .spec/rpm Requires field.
re, Jonni
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Hi,
I notice something that could be a bug, when an error 504 occurs during
the upload of a binary or icon you can remove the file and retry the
upload, but when it s happen in screenshots of the app, you can't remove
it and retry.
Regards
Le 2013-11-06 12:06, Karl Granström a écrit :
On 06-Nov-13 03:06, Karl Granström wrote:
Today we're launching Jolla Harbour harbour.jolla.com, the portal for
submitting applications to the Jolla Store.
You can submit and manage your applications. Consumers will be able to install
them directly from their Jolla phones.
The dry dock and
I support packages with the option to use dependencies in mobile OS :
- about Sailfish OS, I feel managing RPM packages is faster than than
DEB packages;
- current (2013) smartphones are fast (dual or quad core @ 1,0 GHz,
fast flash memory, etc), equivalent to low cost net/notebooks some
On 06-Nov-13 13:05, Roberto Colistete Jr. wrote:
- current (2013) smartphones are fast (dual or quad core @ 1,0 GHz,
fast flash memory, etc), equivalent to low cost net/notebooks some years
ago, so it is not a problem to have repositories with thousands of
packages;
Luckily we all live in the
Hi guys,
It's a great news about the store, and a great name, too. I have 9
applications ported to Sailfish OS from Harmattan/Symbian, but they're
commercial, so I hope that submission of paid apps will soon be allowed as
well...
Anyway, I also have a few remarks regarding the current
Em 06-11-2013 19:26, Attila Csipa escreveu:
On 06-Nov-13 13:05, Roberto Colistete Jr. wrote:
- current (2013) smartphones are fast (dual or quad core @ 1,0 GHz,
fast flash memory, etc), equivalent to low cost net/notebooks some years
ago, so it is not a problem to have repositories with
6.11.2013 22:33, Roberto Colistete Jr.:
snip:
And Mer/Nemo Mobile/Sailfish don't use .deb, but .rpm packages.
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Yep, and as anyone can easily try, zypper on Nemo is blazing fast.
And regarding repository size,
On 06-Nov-13 13:33, Roberto Colistete Jr. wrote:
1st Jolla smartphone I expect to be 4-6 times the speed of Nokia N9.
... and all of that still doesn't address the crux of problem:
Desktop-style Linux distros rely on having to have all the data LOCALLY
and doing the dependency resolution on
And please tell about possible ways for paying for application and
developer ways to receive funds.
On 07.11.2013 03:29, Michal Jerz wrote:
Hi guys,
It's a great news about the store, and a great name, too. I have 9
applications ported to Sailfish OS from Harmattan/Symbian, but they're
Andrey Kozhevnikov wrote:
And please tell about possible ways for paying for application
and developer ways to receive funds
Right. Will the store support in-app purchase? Will it support
subscriptions? Will there be any in-app advertising system/network offered
by Jolla, so that in-app
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