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Hi Taran
what educational institutions preK-gray have to offer is certification.
Some of the skills to obtain that certification can be provided through
the certifying
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Sorry for the late reply. My ISP lost control of it's bodily functions -
and it was about as disgusting as that sounds... Responding inline.
Catherine Arden wrote:
Hi Tom
I agree that the sage on the stage in the brick
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Its a very interesting discussion that may find a definitive answer rather
elusive.. Going by some more recent
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Hi Tom
I agree that the sage on the stage
Its a very interesting discussion that may find a definitive answer rather
elusive.. Going by some more recent experience, at least having forgotten
the warts of my own schooling the way they may have seemed then, I am glad
to share the experience of my more recent encounters with early schooling,
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Hello steve,
I do generaly agree with your views except that I
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Hi Tom,
Sorry to be so slow in responding. For some reason I missed this message of
yours when it arrived
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this conversation in several variances is being considered currently
elsewhere on the net, particularly around the issue of virtual worlds
Steve's example is right on target
: [DDN] PhD research on OLPC
Hi, Cindy!
My post was not intended as a response to your inquiry (to which I extend my
apologies), but to segue BACK to the topic (OLPC) by relating it to
telecenters. Personally, I am in favor of both developments. BayangPinoy has
been working for the implementation
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Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 3:55 AM
Hi Tom,
Sorry to be so slow in responding. For some reason I missed
Reinvent the word, not the concept, because the word telecenter does not
convey meaning
to anyone who doesn't already know what it means. Whereas community
computing center
does convey meaning even if you never heard the phrase before.
IMO a Telecentre is best defined by the societal context
tom abeles wrote:
this conversation in several variances is being considered currently
elsewhere on the net, particularly around the issue of virtual worlds
Yes, and virtual worlds are a topic which have been severely overlooked
in much discussion related to the digital divide - perhaps
tom abeles wrote:
How long before we figure out that brick-spaces dedicated only for
educational purposes need to be repurposed in order to better meet what they
are delivering almost like zombies walking down the street. What virtual
larning options do is to point out that the current
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Hello Joel,
I think you misunderstood me. I was only asking for clarifications of the
differences between the term
Hi, Cindy!
My post was not intended as a response to your inquiry (to which I
extend my apologies), but to segue BACK to the topic (OLPC) by
relating it to telecenters. Personally, I am in favor of both
developments. BayangPinoy has been working for the implementation of
community/telecenters in
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In a message here filled with much good sense Tom Abeles says this:
thinking about mapping click space technology into brick space
thinking.
We might begin by trying to understand why radio, television, film--all
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:09 AM, Cindy Lemcke-Hoong
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what is the different between telecenters and 'community computers'? If they
are the same, for search purpose, perhaps we could keep to the same terms?
Cindy
In response to Cindy's inquiry, please refer to a
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what
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what is the different between telecenters and 'community computers'?
If they are the same
Mark writes,
The role of ICTs in education is
thus much more natural and compelling than that of radio, television,
and film. I would suggest that attempts to generalize a ceiling
effect for the long-term role of ICTs in schools based on prior
educational technology research on the
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In a message here filled with much good sense Tom Abeles says this:
thinking about mapping click space technology into brick space thinking.
We might begin by trying to understand why radio
Sarah Blackmun-Eskow wrote:
The problem of context has dogged Western-driven development since the
1950s, and brought the demise of many expensive projects. I guess that's why
the World Bank finally started hiring anthropologists in the 1980s--to get
some folks with the ability to see and
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Subject: Re: [DDN] PhD research on OLPC
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Date: Sunday, 21 September, 2008, 11:04 PM
Hello Alan (Paperless),
Well said ...things that we have argued the first round when OLPC first came to
the scene.
Below I quote what
will be limited if the models do not also change.
tom
tom abeles
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A more practical approach is community computers (in contrast to
personal
Without comment on the rest of the Steve's interesting thoughts, I
would like to briefly comment on this point:
We might begin by trying to understand why radio, television, film--all the
earlier technologies that promised to reform education--have failed to make
a difference in what goes on in
Mark,
Your point out that the computer and the new communication technologies are
important to knowledge workers in the new socioeconomy, while the older
technologies of radio and television and film were not, and of course you
are right. Your conclusion--that this difference will result in the
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Dear Caroline,
What you are doing is exactly what our project is about.
We believe that a practical
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A more practical approach is community computers (in contrast to
personal
computers) available in a school
solution for rural areas where online/CDs cannot reach.
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While I do agree the increasing power of the mobile technology, and it would
change many aspects of how learning would take place eventually
Paperless Homework wrote:
Until such is addressed, the digital divides we talked about will remain. It
is not the hardware, it is the software.
Perhaps this is so, but I believe that telecommunications policy and
pricing is actually more of an issue. Software helps, but infrastructure
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Dear Caroline,
What you are doing is exactly what our project is about.
We believe that a practical approach should be the way rather than fancy
ideas
I regret that I do not understand what is being argued here.. Are we for or
against corporate success or marketing or what have you?..
From the point of view of Development and technology for it, I would
rather look at what gets achieved in terms of helping those who need help to
get included in
, Satish Jha ha scritto:
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Data: Venerdì 5 settembre 2008, 21:39
Magda,
There is a bit of difference between making a PC and a learning PC for
children. What we know as OLPC, without a dozen feature
Norbert Bollow wrote:
Yes, sure, but at the same time, it makes sense with respect to any
given project to limit attention to what can conceivably be affected
(positively or negatively) by that project.
Being a pragmatist, I agree with you to an extent. However in this
context, limiting
Like others, I think a very interesting topic. On more practical concerns,
given that you will be writing up your thesis in 4 years time, around
2012, will the OLPC still be a leading issue or will the technology have
moved on to a totally different area?
Alongside the legitimate human rights
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I regret that I do not understand what is being argued here.. Are we for or
against corporate success or marketing or what have you?..
From the point of view of Development and technology for it, I
Sarah Blackmun-Eskow wrote:
Marketing and corporate success can't be judged in isolation from the
values that power them.
To at least a few, the values that power the word marketing and the
phrase corporate success are implicit due to heuristics. Your point is
valid, but changing the values
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the OLPC and the
laptop that Taran suggested or the Asus EEE, which have now the same price than
the OLPC one but are “serious” laptops?
Thank you all for suggestions,
Magda
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but are serious
laptops?
Thank you all for suggestions,
Magda
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.
Unfortunately OLPC is the HumVee of laptops and your concerns are well taken.
Next stop? cell phones.
cheers
tom
tom abeles
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:54:28 +
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Thank you all the members
Magda
Brilliant... I love what you are doing... I am sort of envious as there
are so many wonderful issues to research that I did not think of when I did
my doctoral work..
Anyhow... on to your topic...
there was a time when I was not a believer of OLPC... yet I am enlightened
now after
Oddly enough, this morning I came across a true '$100 PC' in catching up
on a few things:
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9413803799.html?kc=rss
In October, Shenzhen China-based HiVision will ship a MIPs-based Linux
mini-notebook for $98. The company is currently offering a similar
machine
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Magda
Brilliant... I love what you are doing... I am sort of envious as
there
are so many wonderful
Taran Rampersad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In October, Shenzhen China-based HiVision will ship a MIPs-based Linux
mini-notebook for $98. The company is currently offering a similar
machine for $120, according to a video blog report from the
/Internationale Funkausstellunga/ (IFA) consumer
Magda,
Good to hear about your research interests. At the risk of being
self-promoting, you may want to have a look at my two most recent
books, one on laptop programs in school (Laptops and Literacy) and
one on approaches to attacking the digital divide (Technology and
Social Inclusion).
I
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Magda,
Good to hear about your research interests. At the risk of being
self-promoting
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Taran Rampersad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In October, Shenzhen China-based HiVision will ship a MIPs-based Linux
mini-notebook for $98. The company is currently offering a similar
machine for $120, according to a video
That it is more robust certainly is nice. However, the fact that
infrastructure development is robbed by a well marketed feature filled
(narrated below) *product* does not mean that it will solve anything.
Odd that the iPhone was brought up - it has had such good marketing that
people are
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