Liz,
I am glad someone brought up the points you did. While it's wonderful to see
so much support for women who want to make their families a part of their
work, it is also important to remember that most women are not that
adventurous and the bar should not be set at that height for everyone.
I think the problem, Liz, is with the hyberbole and assumptions in your
response. No one is saying there are no challenges or obstacles, but
many of us weathered the experience, and frankly, our recollections are
based on that experience, not some rose-colored memory of idyllic
parenthood.
I sent this to Simone directly, but maybe the rest of the list will also
appreciate this information.
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Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Backpacking with an infant?
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 10:56:55 +0800
From: Cara Lin Bridgman cara@msa.hinet.net
To: Simone S
will these kids make, I wonder?
Oh, to have had parents like this . . .
WT
- Original Message - From: Lis Castillo Nelis lne...@stanford.edu
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Backpacking with an infant?
I reassert
:
ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael E. Welker
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:39 AM
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Backpacking with an infant?
I think that the issue is PLANNING. So science should be compromised
because of your desire to have children
It is interesting to see how this discussion is going. Almost all women
are positive about the idea and men are less so. And, it is NOT true
that the child safety is paramount, because it must be that the ADULT
safety is paramount. After all, if the adult falls down a cliff, so does
this
I started taking my son in the field to monitor Bald Eagle and Peregrine
Falcon nests when he was 3 weeks old, progressing through to his teen
years in snotty weather; i.e. rainy/snowy Oregon/U.S. Pacific Northwest.
We (he and I only) started using an over the shoulder baby sling (many
varieties
I am really quite frustrated by this whole conversation. Having been a
first-time mum to a 3 month old just over a year ago I am amazed at the
lack of reality reflected in a lot of this 'advice'. I'm not too sure what
happens to the memory of those of you who are claiming that from almost
birth
(marriage, motherhood) IF they desire competitive research
careers.
-- Forwarded message --
From: malcolm McCallummalcolm.mccal...@herpconbio.org
Date: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Backpacking with an infant?
To: ECOLOG-L@listserv.umd.edu
Simone,
I am
Hi Simone,
The choice here is yours but, you know, if you were able to wait even a few
more months before taking the little one into the field it would be a
better/easier scenario for all involved. The time goes by very very
quickly. Perhaps this season, if you absolutely HAVE to collect your
Actually, I think the real issue is who is advising Simone to do this
and thinks it is a good idea. My PhD and postodoctoral advisers had
kids and were realistic in terms of their expectations. Now that I am
on the other side, I try to do the same with my students and postdocs.
At three months,
Hi Simone,
I took my daughter to a workshop/fieldwork in Guatemala (she was five
months), and then Florida (eight months) - while doing my PhD, it requires
a bit of organization but as long as you have plenty of fluids, formula,
diapers, sun screen, repellent (and some other small things - in my
PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Backpacking with an infant?
To: ECOLOG-L@listserv.umd.edu
Simone,
I am not criticizing or anything, but I would not bring an 3 mo old
infant into a situation like this.
There are just so many things that can happen and you are so far from
any medical help.
I know
From: Liz Pryde elizabethpr...@gmail.com
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2012 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Backpacking with an infant?
Hi Simone,
The choice here is yours but, you know, if you were able to wait even a few
more months before taking the little
Your post was right on the spot David! Claudia and Eimy had good
comments too.
In terms of equipment, I am afraid that I am not up to date on the
newest accessories available for infants. I do agree with David that
having the right carrier is key. I used a Kelty Kids front carrier,
which
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Date: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Backpacking with an infant?
To: ECOLOG-L@listserv.umd.edu
Simone,
I am not criticizing or anything, but I would not bring an 3 mo old
infant into a situation like this.
There are just so many things that can happen and you
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[mailto:ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of Eva-Maria Muecke
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:55 AM
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Backpacking with an infant?
Your post was right on the spot David! Claudia
What I don’t understand about this thread is why people are so comfortable
giving unsolicited advice on someone else’s life decisions. Simone didn’t ask
for advice on whether or not to take her child to the field with her, she asked
for tools to do so well. She has doubtless assessed the
Welker
El Paso, TX
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From: Silvia Secchi
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Backpacking with an infant?
Actually, I think the real issue is who is advising Simone to do this
and thinks
From: Liz Prydeelizabethpr...@gmail.com
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2012 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Backpacking with an infant?
Hi Simone,
The choice here is yours but, you know, if you were able to wait even a few
more months before taking
: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Backpacking with an infant?
I think that the issue is PLANNING. So science should be compromised because of
your desire to have children? Slightly different twist to the discussion but
. if you are doing a field project you should plan on being there for your
committed time
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From: Liz Prydeelizabethpr...@gmail.com
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2012 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Backpacking with an infant?
Hi Simone,
The choice here is yours but, you know, if you were able to wait even
Society of America: grants, jobs, news [mailto:
ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael E. Welker
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:39 AM
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Backpacking with an infant?
I think that the issue is PLANNING. So science should be compromised
Frankly, Hal, I think you miss much of the point. Our society has
become so risk-averse that -- even in the few decades since I was a kid
-- we have begun to avoid too much that is normal and healthy and safe.
All of these contributions that you dismiss as irrelevant only appear
irrelevant
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Backpacking with an infant?
I was wondering when this point would be made. Maybe we should not even open
these jobs to women!
And I thought we were making progress.
Becky
Becky K. Kerns, Ph.D
Unsolicited?
This was a post to a public forum on which the poster has requested
advice on what equipment she/he should consider for his/her infant.
Is this a female? I know men and women with this first name so I am
not sure. But, apparently some of you either know or have concluded
such.
it.
-Original Message-
From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news [mailto:
ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael E. Welker
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:39 AM
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Backpacking with an infant?
I think that the issue
I reassert that advice concerning the child’s well being was unsolicited in the
original post. If a colleague over 50 asked for gear recommendations, no one
would have recommended that they avoid fieldwork because of the risk for heart
attack. We assume they are intelligent enough to take
All of this discussion is mostly heartening, but a certain amount (far less
that I expected--that's a good example of why I like to be found wrong) of
self-righteousness has inevitably leaked through. It would be an
interersting student project (perhaps an opportunity to integrate sociology
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Backpacking with an infant?
I originally responded only to Simone personally. But, I now see a need for
wider discussion. I agree with Hal Caswell and others who have said that child
safety is paramount. If at all possible, another approach
make, I wonder?
Oh, to have had parents like this . . .
WT
- Original Message -
From: Lis Castillo Nelis lne...@stanford.edu
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Backpacking with an infant?
I reassert that advice concerning
A good backpack carrier is worth its weight in gold -- especially one
with a clip-on diaper bag. Just take some extra plastic bags to wrap
the diapers in.
Here's a photo of me with a rig and a twerp 15 years ago:
http://flic.kr/p/b6g6Lp
Later,
Dave
On 4/8/2012 12:03 PM, Simone S.
Simone,
I am not criticizing or anything, but I would not bring an 3 mo old
infant into a situation like this.
There are just so many things that can happen and you are so far from
any medical help.
I know a lot of people do it but I would strongly advise against it.
Not only is it a much higher
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