...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe
Subich, W4TV
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 10:30 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in
Morse code!!
On 2015-02-26 11:08 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
Has anyone read the regulations that they kept
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 7:09 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in
Morse code!!
I am all for net neutrality. I certainly don't want the bandwidth to be
carved up into toll lanes like the what is happening to all the commuting
Sent: 2/27/2015 9:30:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality:
in Morse code!!
Guys,
Give it a break. I joined this reflector to learn about Elecraft
products, not the state of the US Internet Service Providers problems!
You do have subscribers from
of you don't bother to read his posts.
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From: Colin Thomas colin.g3...@gmail.com
To:
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: 2/27/2015 9:30:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality:
in Morse code!!
Guys,
Give it a break. I joined
Thomas colin.g3...@gmail.com
To:
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: 2/27/2015 9:30:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality:
in Morse code!!
Guys,
Give it a break. I joined this reflector to learn about Elecraft
products, not the state of the US Internet
...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Cliff
Frescura
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:06 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality:
in
Morse code!!
*Netflix* got what they wanted. They had better lobbyists and took a
dispute between them
don't bother to read his posts.
-- Original Message --
From: Colin Thomas colin.g3...@gmail.com
To:
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: 2/27/2015 9:30:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality:
in Morse code!!
Guys,
Give it a break. I
this thread at 6:30 or so California time.
Obviously a lot of you don't bother to read his posts.
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From: Colin Thomas colin.g3...@gmail.com
To:
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: 2/27/2015 9:30:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net
:28 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in
Morse code!!
I'm with you, Phil. As I recall, you're retired FCC staff. If anyone
understands FCC Rules, you do.
I WANT (caps added for emphasis) FCC regulation of our airwaves
Net Neutrality is no more than a guvmint takeover of the internet. Look at
what a mess they're making of our healthcare system.Net Neutrality is no
more neutral than the our healthcare is affordable as in the affordable
healthcare act. Their ultimate goal is content control and secondarily,
Folks, thread closed. This is way too OT. Please do not make posts on this
topic.
Please continue this discussion elsewhere, off-list.
73,
Eric
List Moderator
elecraft.com
_..._
On Feb 27, 2015, at 12:26 AM, Gary Smith g...@ka1j.com wrote:
I keep getting ads for Comcast Verizon on how
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W0MU
Mike Fatchett
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 1:13 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in
Morse code!!
Dick,
I am curious who do you think is going to pay for who ever it is to build
of you don't bother to read his posts.
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From: Colin Thomas colin.g3...@gmail.com
To:
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: 2/27/2015 9:30:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in
Morse code!!
Guys,
Give it a break. I
Frescura
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:06 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality:
in
Morse code!!
*Netflix* got what they wanted. They had better lobbyists and took a
dispute between them and Comcast, expanded the scope
On 2/26/2015 11:12 PM, Cliff Frescura wrote:
My thinking changed when UPS successfully lobbied the FCC in 1989 to
reallocate part of 220MHz from Amateur to Commercial service.
UPS argued that the reallocation was in the public interest and they would
put the spectrum to good use.
After a
I am all for net neutrality. I certainly don't want the bandwidth to be carved
up into toll lanes like the what is happening to all the commuting roads around
here (Puget Sound Region). Maybe good for commuters but no good for everyone
else who shares the limited lane space.
As for 100 MB
Amen.
There is a Yahoo Group for those who wish to discuss this:
* Net Neutrality - Fact or Fiction
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Net_Neutrality/info
73, Dick, W1KSZ
On 2/27/2015 5:26 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
Folks, thread closed. This is way too OT. Please do
Frescura
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:06 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality:
in
Morse code!!
*Netflix* got what they wanted. They had better lobbyists and took a
dispute between them and Comcast, expanded the scope
, February 26, 2015 9:52 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in
Morse code!!
Unless you are a customer out in the Desert, then you are stuck with DSL and
streaming movies that look like the ones on my 1953 Admiral back in the BW
days
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf
Of
Cliff
Frescura
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:06 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net
Neutrality:
in
Morse code!!
*Netflix* got what they wanted. They had better lobbyists and took
I am Comcast's customer. Not Netflix. I pay more for a higher grade of
service (higher speed). I'm paying for the pipe. How I use it is my
business. Comcast shouldn't further tax the other end of my connection
or slow it down because the other end isn't paying Comcast anything.
Have you
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:06 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in
Morse code!!
*Netflix* got what they wanted. They had better lobbyists and took a
dispute between them and Comcast, expanded the scope to include
On 02/27/2015 10:00 AM, Phil Kane wrote:
On 2/26/2015 11:12 PM, Cliff Frescura wrote:
My thinking changed when UPS successfully lobbied the FCC in 1989 to
reallocate part of 220MHz from Amateur to Commercial service.
...
Urban legend. I wuz there. It wasn't UPS...
The amateur community
response to Net Neutrality: in
Morse code!!
*Netflix* got what they wanted. They had better lobbyists and took a
dispute between them and Comcast, expanded the scope to include the entire
internetsnip
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From: Tom McCulloch th...@att.net
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality:
in Morse code!!
I'm sure Verizon's sarcasm will be lost on most!
Tom
WB2QDG
K2 1103
On 2/26
I'm with you, Phil. As I recall, you're retired FCC staff. If anyone
understands FCC Rules, you do.
I WANT (caps added for emphasis) FCC regulation of our airwaves, and of
our internet. I'm old enough to remember when the FCC had staff to
enforce their Rules, and things were much better
: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Brown
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 10:28 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in
Morse code!!
I'm with you, Phil. As I recall, you're retired FCC staff
Dick,
I am curious who do you think is going to pay for who ever it is to
build a system to you out in the desert?
That is a trade off for moving out in the boon docks. When we moved to
Colorado we had party lines. We lived in Parker and that was considered
at the time WAY out there.
My
Be careful what you wish for here. Keep in mind that once the
entrenched providers get the regs they crave new services will grind
to a halt. There will simply be too many barriers to entry. No new
competitors will enter the field. At least not until the subsidies get
so grossly unbalanced
I had an issue with my ISP a few years ago. We had been using DSL
for a few years without trouble when all of a sudden our access would
drop out about once every 2-3 minutes making is impossible to
download or upload e-mail or view a website.
I called the tech line of our ISP and asked that
] On Behalf Of Joe
Subich, W4TV
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 8:30 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in
Morse code!!
On 2015-02-26 11:08 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
Has anyone read the regulations that they kept hidden? Do we
Unless you are a customer out in the Desert, then you are stuck with DSL
and streaming
movies that look like the ones on my 1953 Admiral back in the BW days.
If all this means I get 100 MB downloads in my lifetime, I am all for it.
73, Dick, W1KSZ
On 2/26/2015 7:47 PM, Scott Manthe wrote:
I'm sure Verizon's sarcasm will be lost on most!
Tom
WB2QDG
K2 1103
On 2/26/2015 6:32 PM, Al Gulseth wrote:
- --- -.. .- -.-- .. ... -.. . -.-. .. ... .. --- -. -... -.-- - .
..-. -.-. -.-.
(and so on: I think you get the drift - yes, it's this way on their website.)
There's
Code may be antiquated, but it will work just fine when their towers fail...
72,
Joshua Gould
K8WXA
EM89pn
KX3# 7480
NAQCC # 7704
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 6:53 PM, Tom McCulloch th...@att.net wrote:
I'm sure Verizon's sarcasm will be lost on most!
Tom
WB2QDG
K2 1103
On 2/26/2015 6:32
Tony,
All of Netflix's customers are the beneficiary of this ruling, as well
as anyone who uses Youtube, Hulu or any other streaming service. Netflix
uses the most bandwidth because they have the most customers. It isn't
only the companies like these that benefit, it's their customers. The
Nobody has explained it any better than you have in this short
paragraph, Scott. This is a national resource and the American people
should be the beneficiaries. The ones everyone seems to be forgetting
are the customers--the American people.
Everything's always about corporations anymore,
...@att.net
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality:
in Morse code!!
I'm sure Verizon's sarcasm will be lost on most!
Tom
WB2QDG
K2 1103
On 2/26/2015 6:32 PM, Al Gulseth wrote
@mailman.qth.net wrote:
Even the Translated one is interesting
From: Tom McCulloch th...@att.net
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality:
in Morse code!!
I'm sure Verizon's sarcasm will be lost
Even the Translated one is interesting
From: Tom McCulloch th...@att.net
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in
Morse code!!
I'm sure Verizon's sarcasm will be lost on most
Guy is right. And we have Al Gore to thank! ;-)
Tom wb2qdg
K2# 1103
PS -- that's enough of this, here comes Eric! :-[
T
On 2/26/2015 8:31 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
...The internet is a national resource...
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On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV k2av@gmail.com
wrote:
...internet is a national resource. No one should be able to corner
it
==
Unfortunately, so-called neutrality means that one company, Netflix, can
corner it without paying for it. Netflix accounts for up
On 2015-02-26 8:57 PM, Tony Estep wrote:
Unfortunately, so-called neutrality means that one company,
Netflix, can corner it without paying for it. Netflix accounts for
up to 35% of internet traffic, and is really the one and only
beneficiary of this ruling. Everybody else is subsidizing them.
On 2/26/2015 7:33 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
Not only should the consumer access providers be treated like
common carriers, they should be treated like public utilities they are
and be required to provide equivalent service levels at the same price
to all customers whether they live in the
That's 35% of the US traffic, not Internet traffic.
Also, the reason Netflix uses so much bandwidth is because they have
customers who use that bandwidth! I see zero issue with the latest
ruling.
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Has anyone read the regulations that they kept hidden? Do we really
know what is in them?
I am not a big fan of the gov't sticking their fingers into everything.
I have no more trust in them handling this any better than everything
else the touch, regulate, control, etc.
I am quite
On 2015-02-26 11:08 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
Has anyone read the regulations that they kept hidden? Do we really
know what is in them?
Look at the last set of Net Neutrality regulations from the FCC -
the ones that the industry had over turned on the grounds that the
Commission did not
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