Look under Pick and Place tools at www.modelcrafttoolsusa.com.
73 charlie, k1xx
On 6/26/2015 12:26 PM, Brian Hunt wrote:
The company is Shesto in the UK. There is no USA distributer listed on their
website. Hobby Lobby may have something similar? There's a vacuum version
listed on Amazon.
Wow, are they available anywhere in the USA? 72 George/W2BPI
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The company is Shesto in the UK. There is no USA distributer listed on their
website. Hobby Lobby may have something similar? There's a vacuum version
listed on Amazon. Not the same company tho.
73,
Brian, K0DTJ
Wow, are they available anywhere in the USA? 72 George/W2BPI
The dab of beeswax on a toothpick that someone else posted looked good to me.
73, Mike NF4L
On Jun 26, 2015, at 11:48 AM, George via Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net
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Wow, are they available anywhere in the USA? 72 George/W2BPI
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Try ebay 400911355729
UK seller but has free shipping.
Tom Bryan
N3AJA
The company is Shesto in the UK. There is no USA distributer listed on
their website. Hobby Lobby may have something similar? There's a vacuum
version listed on Amazon. Not the same company tho.
Jim,
I am using the Sticky pen. It works nice for me.
http://kitman-electronics.blogspot.com/2013/10/sticky-pen-for-smd-and-tiny-parts.html
http://kitman.eprodavac.cz/adhezivni-smd-pero-stickypen-70/
73 - Petr, OK1RP
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I handle all my small SMT parts with a toothpick dabbed in beeswax. I get the
beeswax at Jo-Ann's sewing stores.
Much easier than tweezers slipping and firing nearly invisible parts across the
room.
73
Jim ab3cv
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Don Wilhelm-4 wrote
So, there are OK alternate techniques, such as heating both ends of the
component at the same time as Alan Bloom pointed out, or my usual
solution of heating both ends alternately in rapid succession until the
component moves, or the two soldering iron solution.
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz wrote:
...An engineer is a man who can do for five bob (25 cents) what anyone
can do
for a quid ($1)...
and a government contractor is an outfit that can do for a guinea what
anyone else can do for half a crown.
: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:23 PM
To: 'Elecraft Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves
Keep in mind that all of the step-by-step procedures in the Elecraft documents
were actually done by the writer, tested by others, and then refined and
improved by customer feedback. That's
I have SN 443 - an early model of the K3. It has been back to Aptos for
updates. Now then, I just got at P3 and included in that is a kit that that
changes a resistor on the K3 to give 10 db more to the P3. It is SMT, but they
also include a small resistor if you don't want to use the SMT
Hi Lee,
I replaced that SMT resistor with the supplied SMT resistor. Was pretty
easy. Cut the old one in half in place, then unsoldered the two pieces.
Then made sure the solder on both sides was good and cleaned most off.
Was not much there. then tacked the SMT replacement in place on one
I started building kits in January of 2011. Been a ham for almost 20
years and missed the Heathkit Generation. Why do I mention this?
Well, the kits I wanted to build were SDR's (SoftRocks to be specific).
They are great little radios and wonderful for those wanting to
experiment with SDR;
or not a
change is necessary. Good Luck
You will really enjoy the P3.
73, Doug VE3MV
- Original Message -
From: Lee Buller k...@swbell.net
To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:18 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves
I have SN
you
sent
the rig back before.
From: Lee Buller k...@swbell.net
To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thu, April 19, 2012 9:20:03 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves
I have SN 443 - an early model of the K3. It has been back
I do not believe cutting the part in half is a good idea. The stress is
applied
to the pads
and they can lift off the board. The potential for board damage, is very high.
73,
Bob
K2TK
On 4/19/2012 10:46 AM, Tom Azlin N4ZPT wrote:
Hi Lee,
I replaced that SMT resistor with the supplied SMT
Check if it's been done. Then if you need to, just do it. The likelihood of
damaging
anything is very small.
The component in question is large, as SMT parts go. You can do it. Read the
instructions
and jump in. You will feel great afterwards.
On 4/19/2012 7:18 AM, Lee Buller wrote:
I have
Lee;
Your repair report shows that mod was done in 2010.
I am sending you a copy of the report directly to your email.
Keith
On 4/19/2012 7:18 AM, Lee Buller wrote:
I have SN 443 - an early model of the K3. It has been back to Aptos for
updates. Now then, I just got at P3 and included in that
Hi Bob,
I disagree. Did you read the Elecraft instructions?? Please do so then
comment to Elecraft on the errors in their ways.
Thanks and 73, tom n4zpt
On 4/19/2012 12:04 PM, Bob wrote:
I do not believe cutting the part in half is a good idea. The stress
is applied to the pads and they can
Now that is customer service!!!
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Keith ke...@elecraft.com wrote:
Lee;
Your repair report shows that mod was done in 2010.
I am sending you a copy of the report directly to your email.
Keith
On 4/19/2012 7:18 AM, Lee Buller wrote:
I have SN 443 - an early
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Sent: Thu, April 19, 2012 11:23:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves
Lee;
Your repair report shows that mod was done in 2010.
I am sending you a copy of the report directly to your email.
Keith
On 4/19/2012 7:18 AM, Lee Buller wrote:
I have SN 443 - an early model
Bob makes a good point IMHO in that cutting the part in half is not a good
idea, it can damage the pads - been there g Better, I suggest, to
unsolder both ends at the same time, and then remove the part off the board.
Unsoldering one end and lifting that end can also stress the pad at the
Keep in mind that all of the step-by-step procedures in the Elecraft
documents were actually done by the writer, tested by others, and then
refined and improved by customer feedback. That's in accordance with Wayne's
basic requirements for Elecraft manuals. So if you take the time to follow
them
On Thu, 2012-04-19 at 14:23 -0700, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
I have removed hundreds of two-terminal SMDs both by cutting them in half or
by unsoldering one end at a time and lifting the part with never any damage
to the pcb.
On most two-terminal SMD parts (resistors, capacitors, etc.), the
: Thursday, April 19, 2012 2:23 PM
To: 'Elecraft Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves
Keep in mind that all of the step-by-step procedures in the Elecraft
documents were actually done by the writer, tested by others, and then
refined and improved by customer feedback. That's
Both at work and at home, I use two irons to remove SMD parts. The earlier
poster that warned against pad damage when clipping a chip in half was
right on; the damage won't occur most of the time, but it will certainly
happen on the hardest to remove or the hardest to replace board ;-) And, I
bits worth. Buy the way the right
tips are far less expensive than a
damaged PCB.
Mel, K6KBE
Mel
--- On Thu, 4/19/12, Alan Bloom n...@sonic.net wrote:
From: Alan Bloom n...@sonic.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves
To: Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz
Cc: 'Elecraft Discussion
It's not too bad - I would just recommend NOT simply clipping the existing
SMG resistor - but rather heating it up and using tweezers to pull it off.
If you clip with cold solder, you risk pulling up traces from the board.
You may not mean clip in this sense but I thought I'd mention it just in
Clearly, the route to dealing with SMD's is a very personal one. I would
like to offer my US$ 0.02 worth on this matter. A good, small-tip,
temperature controlled soldering pencil is very important, as is fine
gauge solder. I use a ceramic tipped iron which needs no extensive
cleaning (a wipe
expensive than a
damaged PCB.
Mel, K6KBE
Mel
--- On Thu, 4/19/12, Alan Bloomn...@sonic.net wrote:
From: Alan Bloomn...@sonic.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves
To: Ron D'Eau Clairer...@cobi.biz
Cc: 'Elecraft Discussion List'elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Date: Thursday, April
I'm surprised no-one has mentioned Chipquik to ease the pain of SMT removal.
It is a low temperature alloy (something like Wood's metal - the melting
teaspoon in a hot drink prank etc.), supplied in small diameter wires
together with a special flux. Melt a little Chipquik onto an existing
Only because we were talking about simple two-terminal SMDs, Dave.
I use Chipquik for SMDs with more than two terminals. It's great!
I agree, follow the instructions on their website and you can remove/replace
huge MCUs and other chips easily.
This whole discussion reminds me of something my
Dave,
I can highly recommend Chipquik - for multilegged devices. For devices
with only 2 leads, I believe it is overkill (but it will work). My
objections with Quickchip is that one *must* clean up the site before
applying new solder - or the new solder will not stick.. The cleanup
task is
Hello Good People..!
The title of this post say's it all really..
If one were going to succumb to the inevitable of the future... and include
SMT WORK in the Shack in the same way we have undertaken general work with
thru-hole technology...
What Tools WOULD be required..? (In The Shack)
To do
Hello Good People..!
The title of this post say's it all really..
If one were going to succumb to the inevitable of the future... and include
SMT WORK in the Shack in the same way we have undertaken general work with
thru-hole technology...
What Tools WOULD be required..? (In The Shack)
To
Hello Good People..!
The title of this post say's it all really..
If one were going to succumb to the inevitable of the future... and include
SMT WORK in the Shack in the same way we have undertaken general work with
thru-hole technology...
What Tools WOULD be required..? (In The Shack)
To do
Hello Good People..!
The title of this post say's it all really..
If one were going to succumb to the inevitable of the future... and include
SMT WORK in the Shack in the same way we have undertaken general work with
thru-hole technology...
What Tools WOULD be required..? (In The Shack)
To
Andy and all,
While there are several exotic tools and materials available for doing
SMD work, I would prefer to speak to those who might only do it on
occasion - maybe a single project that does not require such things as
soldering paste and heat guns.
About the best reference I know of
Hi, Andy:
Your e-mail system has the hiccoughs! (Several copies of your message
appeared!)
You emphasized tools, but the tools needed depend upon the way you go about
doing the job.
Here's a link I posted previously about SMD work.. It demonstrates on way
to do a good job and shows
Andy and all,
While there are several exotic tools and materials available for doing
SMD work, I would prefer to speak to those who might only do it on
occasion - maybe a single project that does not require such things as
soldering paste and heat guns.
About the best reference I know of for
Chuckle chuckle...
I always read Don's messages because they contain much useful stuff!
I got a big grin out of his comment about curved tweezers because my curved
tweezers are exactly what saves me from launching SMD's all over the room.
It's a classic example of how personal the choice of
I'm sure that everyone here would be VERY interested in folk's out
there
ideas ...know-how's
...PICTURES (hint hint !) and website links for sure...
Apologies if this has been discussed previously to this depth... Just
thought it an interesting Thread for everyone involved newbie's And
Pro's
Q: SMT (re)Work In The Ham Radio Shack WHAT TOOLS Are
Required..?
A: The one tool I don't have and can't buy - nerves of
steel.
With some patience, creativity, and a respect for the
physics going on at that level, the specific tool is
not so essential - if you are lacking on any of those
counts
If you want to take a serious look at SMT work, all you need is one of
the Chinese hot air rework stations.
You can get a variety of nozzles for them to cover everything from
single components to quad pack multi pin IC's
They are always on EBay - one is currently listed on item number
Brilliant, I never even thought of eBay - I just purchased that -
Thank you.
I already have a temp controlled iron so didn't really need the one
that comes with, but I'll see what its like anyway (I could always
sell it on eBay :-)
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The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you
I purchased a Hakko 936 to replace my Weller WTPCT station. The Weller still
works, so I just heated both, applied heat to each end of the SMT component and
pushed it aside. For those who have two soldering stations this is easy to do.
Someone else had suggested this and it works.
Roy Morris
I'm totally into that! I've been meaning to play with the idea of
building an all-band board for the K1 using a freq synthesizer instead of
the crystals -- just haven't gotten to it yet :). I have no idea how K1
sales compare to KX1 sales, but I'm very fond of my K1 and would buy an
I just finished building my K1 and haven't gotten to use it because I have
to learn code. What if you were to go all DSP and DDS, you could put in even
Higher bands ie 6 meters, 2 meters, Maybe even 440. With that if you did
some modulating with the DSP you could do even differnt modes ie SSB,
I would be interested in SMT kits from Elecraft.
AmQRP.org is looking at offering upgrade boards for
the micro908 two ways. One will have the fine pitch
devices installed, all the kit builder would need to
solder would be caps, resistors connectors, etc. The
other option would be a full kit, more
: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SMT Possible K1 Filter Board Combinations
Based on the apparent success of the K3, the future may hold many
tantalizing prospects. Perhaps a similar SMT approach to the K1 might
manifest itself as a K1A
Spoke with Lisa just before Dayton to place my order
for a K3/10 (from the second production run - wonder
when that one will close out?) and was thinking, now
that Elecraft has embraced SMT in its kits, would
there be any interest if Elecraft were to come out
with a 5 or 6 band board for the K1 -
Based on the apparent success of the K3, the future may hold many
tantalizing prospects. Perhaps a similar SMT approach to the K1 might
manifest itself as a K1A with full 80 (or even 160?) to 10 coverage.
Personally, I would love to see a 5 or 10 watt multiband SSB and digital
mode
And an ambitious project, indeed, Vic!
I feel bad about suggesting a starter kit LED Tune kit
while your sights were set so much higher. hi
73 good luck.
de Joe aa4nn
I've decided to build the AMQRP Micro-908 (see
http://www.amqrp.org/kits/micro908/index.html#Description%202 They
are
Joe, aa4nn wrote:
And an ambitious project, indeed, Vic!
I feel bad about suggesting a starter kit LED Tune kit
while your sights were set so much higher. hi
73 good luck.
What appeals to me about the Micro-908 is that it's more than an
exercise, being very useful for a lot of things. I'm
Thanks to everyone (and there were many) who made suggestions for a
project to learn SMT techniques. I've decided to build the AMQRP
Micro-908 (see
http://www.amqrp.org/kits/micro908/index.html#Description%202). They
are currently sold out, but expect to produce more kits soon. This is
an
Can someone suggest a kit using SMT components that would be a good
learning experience for someone wanting to learn SMT techniques? I
would prefer something useful like test equipment rather than YACQR (Yet
Another Cute QRP Radio) of which I have several!
--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
Check with Tom, n0ss. His kit for
K2 LED tune indicator uses SMT.
de Joe, aa4nn
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From: Vic K2VCO [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Jun 10, 2006 10:18 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] SMT project
Can someone suggest a kit using SMT
On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 08:18 -0700, Vic K2VCO wrote:
Can someone suggest a kit using SMT components that would be a good
learning experience for someone wanting to learn SMT techniques?
Khune electronics
http://www.kuhne-electronic.de/
make some nice high performance Microwave kits, these
On 6/10/06, Vic K2VCO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can someone suggest a kit using SMT components that would be a good
learning experience for someone wanting to learn SMT techniques? I
would prefer something useful like test equipment rather than YACQR (Yet
Another Cute QRP Radio) of which I have
Similar and probably more affordable are kits from Down East Microwave.
Don't let the microwave part fool you as he has kits that start as low
as 50 MHz. I've built several of the transverters from DEM which all
had SMT components.
I'm pretty sure that some of the kits from Kanga USA are
Hi Vic, I'm with Joe on this one! I've just built two of these, one for the
K2 and the other for the K1, First time I've attemped a SMT Kit Very pleased
with the results, If you do go with the K1 CW ind' order the replacment
button works great! check it here
K2VCO
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 8:19 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] SMT project
Can someone suggest a kit using SMT components that would be a good
learning experience for someone wanting to learn SMT techniques? I
would prefer something useful like test equipment rather than
Vic:
While I was at Ozarkcon 2006 in April, I saw a demo of SMT soldering
using a toaster oven. For a tutorial, go to www.qrpradio.com and click
on projects and then SMT oven soldering. At Ozarkcon, Cecil
(KD5NWA) soldered all the resistors onto the NORCAL QRP dummy load board
(both sides)
I have done both the N0SS Version of the K6XX CW tuning indicator as well as
the KD1JV Digital Dial/Frequency Counter. Both are good starting projects for
SMT as they don't have a large parts count. The N0SS instructions for the CW
tuning indicator are great for a beginner at SMT. I used a
Hi Wayne,
A thought for you. Some of us out here aren't afraid of surface mount
construction. For example I've built the DB6NT 10 GHz down-converter,
and some other similar stuff too. For your amusement I love tube stuff
and I'm a member of the glowbugs list. But the world is going to SMT and
Like it or not, we are seeing another transition in kit building. Just
as some of us witnessed
the transition from tubes to transistors, we are now seeing the
beginning of the transition from
parts with leads to SMT. I would guess that in ten years or so it will
be increasingly difficult
to
Jim:
I used to design electronic instrumentation at Oak Ridge National
Laboratory, usually built under my direct supervision by the very competent
technicians in my research group. However, when we came to installing SMT,
we always farmed it out to an expert SMT constructor (a young woman
Like it or not, we are seeing another transition in kit building. Just
as some of us witnessed the transition from tubes to transistors, we
are now seeing the beginning of the transition from parts with leads
to SMT. I would guess that in ten years or so it will be
increasingly difficult
Even though I have used SMT parts in my personal projects Craig, I agree
with most of what you have said, and avoid them in projects aimed at kit
builders. I will take exception, however, with your last statement. We
are well past the point where every variety of IC is available in both
SMT
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Vic Rosenthal wrote:
If we want the best performance and to take advantage of modern components,
we will need to use SMT. So most likely, future kits will include
machine-made SMT subassemblies which will be put together by the builder.
Is this bad? I don't think so.
Vic wrote:
... most likely, future kits will include machine-made SMT subassemblies
which will be put together by the builder.
Is this bad? I don't think so. I didn't complain about not building
the microprocessor in my K2!
I think it would be great. Think of the construction time saved,
Hmmm ... lots of opinions on SMT here -- approaching the volume of
opinions on knobs?
I'm planning to take my K2 (ATU, no NB, stock knob+dimple) somewhere
here in the Sierra Nevada and be a bumblebee in the Flight of the
Bumblebees on 7/31. First time my K2 has been in the field. Hope to
Jerry, NR5A wrote:
The worse part of building any kit to me is those stinking nasty torroids
(sic), I hate them with a passion. If I were going to have any parts on a
kit premounted it would be those horrible things. hi hi hi
---
And that's why we have Mychael the toroid
You build my SMT stuff and I'll wind toroids for you!
Did you get your ATS-III yet?
Eric
KE6US
-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NR5A
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:56 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SMT
SMT's I don't
Pete, I have tried cyanoacrylate and when it heated it let go.
-Stuart
K5KVH
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It can liberate cyanide (or some derivative) when it is heated as well.
73,
Tom N0SS
At 06:03 PM 8/13/04, Stuart Rohre wrote:
Pete, I have tried cyanoacrylate and when it heated it let go.
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Am 10. Aug 2004, um 14:04:49 schrieb wayne burdick:
Regarding SMT (surface-mount technology):
We will obviously have to use many more SMDs (surface-mount devices) in
future kits. But they will all be pre-installed, with rare exceptions.
Wayne, would you then please consider selling the bare
hello elecrafters,
first mail on this topic was from Richard T Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I answered him off list, but i think my mail is interesting for everybody who
is afraid off SMT-Kits.
So this is what i wrote to richard:
Hi Richard,
have a look to this site:
- Original Message -
From: David Toepfer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I recall reading somehere a while ago that absolutely all precision
instruments/tools are fabricated in metric and the only thing that is
english
is the labels and the specs which are all converted to english.
Have you
Everyone seems to be missing my point, which is, all of these things are
designed and fabricated in metric specs. The machine tools are made in
factories to metric specs, but when the but the dials on them or the labels on
them they are converted to english so we sad american masses who just
Yes,
I think we can do simple kits with 1206 parts with home hand tools and
possibly a hold down fixture home made. In fact, that would be a great
kit, a set of SMT sized tools: Needle Nose pliers, light spring tweezer,
hold down device that would sit on desk and exert weight on a 1206
I would *love* to see an SMT version of the KX1. Already, in a number of
places in the current kit, it would seem like an SMT bypass cap would fit
better than the leaded version! And probably no more difficult to
fit/solder in place.
How 'bout an SMT Option on some kits?
73,
Steve
aa8af
For manual SMT parts, 1206 is a workable size: 0.12 in. by 0.06 in.
Stuart
K5KVH
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I dunno Stuart. I think of sneezing and ending up with the parts for my
new all-band Elecraft K-92 scattered all over the shop floor.
Besides, the knobs on my K2 are WAY too small already.
I'm reminded of the segment in Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy in which
the alien invasion of Earth
At 04:20 PM 8/11/2004, Stuart Rohre wrote:
Yes,
I think we can do simple kits with 1206 parts with home hand tools and
possibly a hold down fixture home made. In fact, that would be a great
kit, a set of SMT sized tools: Needle Nose pliers, light spring tweezer,
hold down device that would
Peter,
There are water clean fluxes that might answer your concern. I was thinking
of ones that dissipate with soldering heat, just a dot on land of the
component that was to be the down side.
Stuart
K5KVH
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G'day,
Thinking on this, how about:
Remote antenna switch.
1. Activated by a dc signal applied via the main co-ax.
2. Drops to an internal load.
3. Sniffs the rf in a tune cycle to determine the frequency.
4. Selects via latching relay the designated output port (co-ax socket)
5.
Regarding SMT (surface-mount technology):
We will obviously have to use many more SMDs (surface-mount devices) in
future kits. But they will all be pre-installed, with rare exceptions.
While it is possible to install and remove SMDs by hand, it can require
a lot of practice, patience, steady
wayne burdick wrote:
Regarding SMT (surface-mount technology):
We will obviously have to use many more SMDs (surface-mount devices)
in future kits. But they will all be pre-installed, with rare exceptions.
While it is possible to install and remove SMDs by hand, it can
require a lot of
Wayne wrote:
...it can require
a lot of practice, patience, steady nerves, unimpaired vision, and
specialized tools.
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Good points, especially when it comes to identifying parts. My experience
has been mostly in fixing something. I replace one or two SMDs and I'm done.
But reading the
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Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 11:34 PM
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Wayne wrote:
...it can require
a lot of practice, patience, steady
Ouch! The stuff that I've see so far has numbers - but really, really,
REALLY small in many cases.
Ron AC7AC
-Original Message-
Ron
You usually do not get identification marks on chip capacitors, melf/SOD80
diodes or SOT23 parts (transistors etc)
This is what I see as the biggest
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D'Eau Claire
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Ouch! The stuff that I've see so far has numbers - but
really
On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 07:15:01PM -0700, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
Nope. Those are smaller than anything I've used!
Yeah, I'm aware that many (most?) of the numbers I've seen have nothing to
do with any parts I.D. conventions that I know!
As a technical writer I work in metric all the
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