RE: NEC Questions

2002-04-30 Thread Robert Johnson
1) Correct, this cannot be used in a multiwire branch circuit since it may eventually be removed without being bypassed. The concern is that an open neutral in a multiwire (e.g. 120/240 3w or 120/208 4w) circuit leaves loads connected in series phase to phase. The voltage across a product intended

Re: IEC 60601-2-24 / Magnetic Field

2002-04-30 Thread Nick Rouse
I'm no medical Guru either but I know the sort of field levels involved. They range from about .5 to 3 teslas. This is not much higher than the fields in the gaps of electrical motors and generators (up to 1.8T in normal silicon iron and up to 2.1 T in cobalt iron used in aerospace machines)

RE: CE MARKING A SYSTEM

2002-04-30 Thread Alexandru Guidea
We are facing the same challenge. The way we address it is essentially the TCF route, including a Competent Body involvement. Our installation contains some equipment qualified for residential environment only, which wouldn't meet the industrial immunity test levels by itself. We add filters in

Re: DWELL TIME FOR AVERAGE DETECTORS

2002-04-30 Thread Ken Javor
I would amplify on my original MOTO response and say that it is common practice to scan using peak detection, and use average detection only at frequencies where an outage condition occurs; that will drastically reduce test time. -- From: Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl To: Ken Javor

RE: DWELL TIME FOR AVERAGE DETECTORS

2002-04-30 Thread Gert Gremmen
At ce-test, we call this kind of answer EOE - Evidence by Experience, in addition to MOTO, the dwell time should extend any slow variations that EUT emission contains A fine and obvious example is the Microwave oven: emission varies substantially with the rotation degree of the food rotating

Re: Power Factor regulations.

2002-04-30 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Robert Wilson robert_wil...@tirsys.com wrote (in 3FF57405336C9B4C976A1819F860A2560F698D@xng_tirsys.TIRSYS.COM) about 'Power Factor regulations.', on Tue, 30 Apr 2002: We will be starting the design of a relatively simple, off-line switchmode power supply that will be

Re: General Product Safety Directive

2002-04-30 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that richwo...@tycoint.com wrote (in 846BF526A205F8 4BA2B6045BBF7E9A6A01F140FA@flbocexu05) about 'General Product Safety Directive', on Tue, 30 Apr 2002: Now, back to the original question. I found the following definition of professional apparatus in EN 55103-2 (immunity for

Power Factor regulations.

2002-04-30 Thread Robert Wilson
I have a general question regarding power factor limits relating to the design of off-line switchmode power supplies. We will be starting the design of a relatively simple, off-line switchmode power supply that will be used to power an LED Luminaire (for lighting up the outside of buildings). A

NEC Questions

2002-04-30 Thread Richard Meyette
I have a couple of questions regrading the National Electrical Code: 1) Consider a power measuring device that is intended to be installed into a residential 120V branch circuit, protected by a single 15 A or 20 A circuit breaker. The device would be installed into a conduit outlet box on

RE: General Product Safety Directive

2002-04-30 Thread richwoods
Well, this series sure took a left turn and accelerated hurriedly out of site of the original intent which was to determine what the term consumer means as used in the GPSD. The imaginary product example I put forth was intended solely to support the question, and I in no way advocated that such

RE: CE MARKING A SYSTEM

2002-04-30 Thread Gary McInturff
You have me all confused here. You claim the equipment should be able to state heavy industrial immunity but at the same time acknowledge that some of the components don't meet the surge requirements. Kind of like the government saying fiscal responsibility - an oxymoron. If

RE: IEC 60601-2-24 / Magnetic Field

2002-04-30 Thread Chris Maxwell
Hi Amund, I read your email (below). I'm no medical device expert; but I'm wondering if the magnetic strength limit was set so high due to MRI (Magnetic Resnonance Imaging) devices. My understanding is that MRI devices produce HUGE magnetic field levels. According to a recent newspaper story

Re: Anti-static Insulating Tape ???

2002-04-30 Thread Patrick Lawler
How do the safety standards (for example, IEC 60950 and their clones) define 'insulating tape'? Are the insulating properties determined as applied in the end product by hipot and leakage current? On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:16:16 -0700 (PDT), Rich Nute ri...@sdd.hp.com wrote: Thanks for sharing your

RE: General Product Safety Directive - sorry missed something

2002-04-30 Thread Gregg Kervill
Robert - I know that it may SEEM heavy but there is not NEED to go overboard - do you remember the incident where a (Lithium) battery was 'charged' as a result of a fault condition? The FAA banned all Lithium batteries in aircraft for many years after the incident. Have you not mentioned any

Re: DWELL TIME FOR AVERAGE DETECTORS

2002-04-30 Thread Ken Javor
At NASA we call this kind of answer MOTO - Master of the Obvious, but I can't think of any reason the dwell time would be other than the longer of the detector time constant or a small integer multiple of the broadband spike repetition period. -- From: Gordon,Ian

RE: General Product Safety Directive - sorry missed something

2002-04-30 Thread Gregg Kervill
John is absolutely correct - an experienced engineer can run through '950 with a product in a couple of hours AND record WHY the various clauses and entire sections are not applicable to a simple product. I certainly would not intend to spend more time than that on something simple - HOWEVER -

Re: CE MARKING A SYSTEM

2002-04-30 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Gordon,Ian ian.gor...@edwards.boc.com wrote (in E1BA0362B28ED211A1E80008C71EA30601818F4F@EXC_EAS01) about 'CE MARKING A SYSTEM', on Tue, 30 Apr 2002: Can anyone advise the course of action in applying a CE mark as regards EMC to a system some of whose component parts are

RE: CE MARKING A SYSTEM

2002-04-30 Thread richwoods
Gordon, cosider constructing a Technical Construction File (TCF) and submitting it to a Competent Body. Your product may comply with the essential requirements when operating in its intended environment without the need to apply the full industrial strength tests. At least, you could make that

DWELL TIME FOR AVERAGE DETECTORS

2002-04-30 Thread Gordon,Ian
Can anybody advise as to what dwell time should be used for an average detector when measuring a broadband noise source? This time obviously increases the total test time unnecessarily if set too high and reduces the measurement accuracy if set too low. Thanks Ian Gordon

CE MARKING A SYSTEM

2002-04-30 Thread Gordon,Ian
Can anyone advise the course of action in applying a CE mark as regards EMC to a system some of whose component parts are not built by us and whose D of C's claim light industrial immunity. However, the system has been running in very harsh environments e.g. plasma etch applications at customer

Australia EMC standard for battery toy

2002-04-30 Thread Tsang Steven
Hi all, I believe you have to apply C-tick mark to fulfill australia EMC requirement. Do any one could tell me which AS standard and procedure applicable to Battery toy that has motor and PCB circuit? Thank you Steven QA Engineer Tiger Electronics Far East Ltd.

Re: A very nice game (an example)

2002-04-30 Thread Dr. Jeffrey Race
On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:44:34 -0700, Doug McKean wrote: For those interested in how to track down something like this, take a look at the header information. You'l see a bunch of Received: xx lines. Lots of tricks involved here, including possibility of forged headers. Those interested