Something I just found out about crucifixion

The earliest known depiction of the crucifixion of Jesus is a parody, it is this graffiti drawn about the year 200 in the slave bathroom of an imperial Palace. The inscription translates as "Alexamenos worships his God ''. It is making fun of somebody named "Alexamenos" who apparently was a

Money and how AI companies intend to obtain it so they can improve their product

OpenAI, the company that created GPT-4, just announced a deal with the venture capital firm Thrive Capital that would value the company at at least $80 billion. Instead of using a traditional funding round the deal would allow employees to cash out their shares in OpenAI. Other AI companies are

Gemini 1.5

I think this is the biggest development in AI in about a year. *Gemini 1.5* blows *GPT-4* out of the water! Gemini 1.5 and The Biggest Night in AI John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis

Re: [Extropolis] Fwd: Sam Altman Wants $7 Trillion

*This is an extremely interesting video, it explains why Sam Altman was briefly fired from Open AI, why he needs $7 trillion, and gives a very interesting Alttman quote "Thought Experiment: at what rate would you be willing to borrow money to build a data center if extremely powerful AI is close

Re: [Extropolis] Fwd: Sam Altman Wants $7 Trillion

On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 8:44 AM Keith Henson wrote: *> $7 Trillion is about $1000 from every person on earth. Not saying it > can't be done, but I think it will take a while.* > Well, according to the Costs of War project at Brown University, the estimated total price for the Iraq and

Huh?

A few days ago at a meeting of the National Rifle Association in Harrisburg, Pa Trump said: *“We have to win in November, or we’re not going to have Pennsylvania. They’ll change the name. They’re going to change the name of Pennsylvania,”* And then he said: "*I will build an Iron Dome over our

Fwd: Sam Altman Wants $7 Trillion

The following is by Scott Alexander, the author of Astral Codex Ten. It's the most intelligent article about AI that I've read in a long time. John K Clark -- Forwarded message - From: Astral Codex Ten Date: Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 1:14 AM Subject: Sam Altman Wants $7 Trillion

Pain

There is an extremely rare mutation in the human genome called "FAAH-OUT" that produces "The feel Good Syndrome") and causes the "sufferer" (not really the correct word) to be incapable of feeling pain, or to be more accurate they can experience pain but they don't find the experience unpleasant.

AI used to decipher the text of 2,000-year-old charred papyrus scrolls

Artificial intelligence is getting so good it can now extract useful information even from highly degraded material, and this should give some encouragement to those who plan to be cryogenically preserved. In 79 AD Mount Vesuvius erupted engulfing the towns of Pompeii and Herculaneum. It also

Re: On The Origin Of Time

On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 6:17 PM Brent Meeker wrote: * >I'm surprised. * > Why? Neither google nor GPT knows what the "Poincaire' effect" is in I don't either. > > All mathematicians have experienced it, > That depends on what "it" is. Just tell me what you're talking about and why it

Re: On The Origin Of Time

On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 2:34 PM Brent Meeker wrote: * > You must know about the Poincaire' effect* Nope, never heard of it. Do you mean the Poincaré conjecture? Or the Poincaré recurrence? Or do you mean something else entirely, the man did a lot of stuff. John K ClarkSee what's on my new

On The Origin Of Time

*I recently read the book "On the Origin of Time, Stephen Hawking's Final Theory" by Thomas Hertog, and I thought it was pretty good, but I did write to the author with the following comment. I have not received a reply. * *==* *Hello Professor Hertog* *I read your book "On The Origin Of Time"

Fears for US science

Apparently Nature, the most respected scientific journal in the world, doesn't think much of Donald Trump. *Trump’s presidential push renews fears for US science*

Re: [Extropolis] Experimental drug​ cuts off pain at the source not the brain avoiding addiction

On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 12:08 PM Henrik Ohrstrom wrote: *> Everything that works causes some form of addiction. I myself for > example are quite addicted to my glasses and also oxygen.* > OK, but most people don't mind that they are addicted to those things but most junkies wish they weren't

Experimental drug​ cuts off pain at the source not the brain avoiding addiction

By studying a Pakistani family that has a rare mutation that renders them unable to feel pain, a small company called Vertex Pharmaceuticals has developed a drug, that can be taken orally, that has shown significant reduction in pain in two different drug studies with no clear adverse side

Re: TSMC

ist at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> crf > > > > On 25-01-2024 21:50, John Clark wrote: > > What is the most important company in the world? I think it's the > > Taiwan chipmaker TSMC because it manufactures 90% of the world's most > > advanced microchip

TSMC

What is the most important company in the world? I think it's the Taiwan chipmaker TSMC because it manufactures 90% of the world's most advanced microchips and if they were to cease operations, or even if two or three of their largest factories were destroyed, there would be a worldwide

DeepMind’s AlphaGeometry AI

I found this to be absolutely amazing! I already knew that AlphaGeometry could solve geometry problems almost as well as the gold medal winners of the International Mathematical Olympiad, but until now I didn't know that the AI had learned geometry all on its own without using any human data. This

Re: Fwd: Should The Future Be Human?

On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 7:32 PM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > >* it supports the idea that philosophical zombies could not be produced > by natural (Darwinian) selection. But it say nothing about the possibility > that such beings could be produced artificially; eg. via AI.* > *> That is

Re: Fwd: Should The Future Be Human?

On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 7:10 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > it supports the idea that philosophical zombies could not be produced by > natural (Darwinian) selection. But it say nothing about the possibility > that such beings could be produced artificially; eg. via AI. But who made the AI? I don't

Re: Fwd: Should The Future Be Human?

On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 5:51 PM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > *There is yet another level, phenomenal consciousness, which has no > behavioural manifestations whatsoever, allowing for the theoretical > possibility of philosophical zombies.* Then it would be impossible, even in theory, to ever

Re: Fwd: Should The Future Be Human?

yourself are not a philosophical zombie, how do you suppose random mutation and natural selection manage to produce you? John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> zad >>> >>> On 1/23/2024 12:52 PM, John Clark wr

Re: Fwd: Should The Future Be Human?

On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 4:37 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 1/23/2024 12:52 PM, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 3:38 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: > > * > Who wrote this? you, JC?* >> > > No, Scott Alexander did, he's a pretty smart guy but I

Re: Fwd: Should The Future Be Human?

On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 3:38 PM Brent Meeker wrote: * > Who wrote this? you, JC?* > No, Scott Alexander did, he's a pretty smart guy but I think he got some things wrong. I did write this in the comments section: "You say "If we’re lucky, consciousness is a basic feature of information

Trump's pal Putin wants Alaska back

Trump's Best friend Vladimir Putin, not to be confused with his love interest Kim Jong Un, wants Alaska back : Russian Plot to Reclaim Alaska John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis

Fwd: Should The Future Be Human?

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Re: What company is putting the most emphasis on AI?

On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 4:25 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > * > Apple makes it's own chips for it's computer, the Apple M2 for example > which has equivalent power to mid-range consumer Nvidia graphic chips. > Maybe they even have specific internal versions for running AI > models. Google also makes

Re: The physical limits of computation

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 9:37 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > *> His* [Shannon's] *measure of information is relative to a channel and > depends on the counterfactual number of messages that could be sent. > You're presuming that each letter could have been one of 25 other letters. > But there are only

Re: The physical limits of computation

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 7:03 PM Brent Meeker wrote: >>> * If I write "tamaontietoa" is it information or gibberish? Is it >> about something? * >> > > >> There's no reason it couldn't be both, Shannon would say it's > definitely information, > > * >No he wouldn't.* > Of course Shannon

Re: The physical limits of computation

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:31 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > * If I write "tamaontietoa" is it information or gibberish? Is it > about something? * > There's no reason it couldn't be both, Shannon would say it's definitely information, but he doesn't care if that information contains a great

Re: The physical limits of computation

On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 7:27 PM Brent Meeker wrote: * > The problem with this is that information, like complexity, has no > physically definite operational meaning. You can't go into the lab and ask > what's the information content of "this".* > In 1948 Claude Shannon gave us an operational

Solving olympiad geometry without human demonstrations

The International Mathematical Olympiad is a prestigious competition among talented high school students, in the today's issue of the journal nature there is a report of a new AI program called "AlphaGeometry" that can solve Olympiad geometry problems nearly as well as a human gold medalists can;

The deification of Donald Trump

*God made Trump* John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis mtg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this

Re: A question for Trump supporters

extropolis> wcc > > > On 1/6/2024 1:06 PM, John Clark wrote: > > The states of Colorado in Maine want to remove Trump from the presidential > ballot because of Section 3 of the 14th amendment which says: > > "*No person shall be a Senator or Representative

NYTimes.com: What the Supreme Court Should Not Do in Trump’s Disqualification Case

Explore this gift article from The New York Times. You can read it for free without a subscription. What the Supreme Court Should Not Do in Trump’s Disqualification Case If anyone is going to do so, elected representatives must be the ones to forgive Donald Trump.

A question for Trump supporters

In Illinois since the 1950s red scare it has been traditional for Republican presidential candidates to sign a loyalty oath swearing not to try to overthrow the government. Trump signed that oath in 2016 and 2020 (and broke his oath in 2021), but this year he has refused to even sign it. So unless

A question for Trump supporters

The states of Colorado in Maine want to remove Trump from the presidential ballot because of Section 3 of the 14th amendment which says: "*No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the

Perihelion Day

*Happy Perihelion Day! Today at 4:06 PM EDT the Earth will be as close to the sun as it will ever get, it will be 3% closer than it will be on July 6, Aphelion Day.* John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis hpd -- You received this

This is the dangerous AI that got Sam Altman fired.

This is the dangerous AI that got Sam Altman fired. John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis saf -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything

Re: Science-fiction author Charlie Stross

ay, learning takes time. Someday the entire universe may be aware of itself but that day is not today. John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> wam > > On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 07:37:00 AM EST, John Clark < > johnk

Re: Science-fiction author Charlie Stross

On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 9:14 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: * > I'd go with Alastair Reynolds with just about anything he has written.* I read the first 70 or 80 pages of "Revelation Space" but then stopped, I just couldn't get into it.

Re: Science-fiction author Charlie Stross

On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:32 PM Brent Meeker wrote: >> A soul is unique but information can be duplicated. > > > *> Not if it's quantum, i.e. in qubits,* > It's true that a qubit can't be duplicated (although it can be transported) but the thing that makes you be you must be conventional

A paranormal prediction for the next year

One year ago I sent the following post to the list, I did not change one word. One year from now I intend to send this same message yet again. One year ago I sent the following post to the list, I did not change one word. One year from now I intend to send this same message yet

Science-fiction author Charlie Stross

We're sorry we created the Torment Nexus In the above Science-fiction author Charlie Stross says that he tells lies for money and reminds us that science fiction is fiction, and it's true that the particular

The inventor of Godwin's Law says the comparison between Trump and Hitler is valid

Godwin's Law says "*As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1*." However it does *NOT *say that such a comparison is necessarily wrong or inappropriate. And this is what Mike Godwin, the very inventor of Godwin's Law, says about

A robot controlled by an AI

Making Chat (ro)Bots John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis air -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from

GPT 4.5 has just been released

GPT 4.5 TURBO GOES LIVE! John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis tpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To

The first (but not the last) scientific discovery made by an AI

The people at Google DeepMind have made a new AI they call "FunSearch", apparently an abbreviation for “searching in the function space”. It has found the most efficient algorithm known for solving the "cap set problem" which is about finding the largest set of points in space where no three

An error-correct​ing scalable quantum compute​r

The journal Nature made public a report that, if verified, would be the biggest breakthrough in the technology of quantum computers in a very long time. However it should be noted that the editors at Nature preceded the article with this statement: *"**We are providing an unedited version of this

An advance in quantum information processing

In the December 6 issue of the journal Nature scientists report that for the first time they have been able to entangle 2 molecules, in this case calcium monofluoride (CaF). This could have important practical implications in building a quantum computer because molecules have more degrees of

Re: Did a kilonova set off in our Galactic backyard 3.5 Myr ago?

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> efs > > Brent > > On 12/12/2023 6:43 AM, John Clark wrote: > > Surprisingly the isotopes Iron-60 and Plutonium-244 were found in ocean > sediments that are known

Did a kilonova set off in our Galactic backyard 3.5 Myr ago?

Surprisingly the isotopes Iron-60 and Plutonium-244 were found in ocean sediments that are known to be between 3 and 4 million years old, and no, the Plutonium couldn't have come from nuclear bomb testing in the 1950s because nuclear bombs use Plutonium-239 not 244. Pu-244 has a half-life of 81

Re: The Singularity and Trump ( was The new quantum chip)

ndling that pandemic. Hundreds of thousands of Americans are dead because of Trump. John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> cov > > > > On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 09:40:30 AM EST, John Clark < > johnkcl...@

Re: [Extropolis] The old Extropian List and Anders Sandberg

ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> lrw > > On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:59 PM John Clark wrote: > >> The British newspaper the Financial Times has an article about the impact >> the Extropian List has had on the wa

The old Extropian List and Anders Sandberg

The British newspaper the Financial Times has an article about the impact the Extropian List has had on the way people think about AI and it includes an interview with Anders Sandberg, he joined that list in the mid-1990s about the same time I did, but he was smarter than me, he left about a year

The Singularity and Trump ( was The new quantum chip)

On Sat, Dec 9, 2023 at 3:03 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: *> Adolf was a unknown in 1933.* > That is not true. Hitler wrote his book Mein Kampf in 1925 and by 1933 it had become a bestseller, in that book he clearly explained what he

Re: The new quantum chip

m the Singularity meat grinder. John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> tet > > > > On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 09:58:25 AM EST, John Clark < > johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 7, 2023

Re: The new quantum chip

On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 8:44 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > * You weren't rounded up, and sent to a camp during 2017-Jan 2021 were > ya? Will he do that now because he's dumb? Maybe, but I doubt it. [...] I > claim that they will moderate

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

ds". John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> pga > On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 at 00:58, John Clark wrote: > > > > I read an article called The multiverse is unscientific nonsense by > Jacob Barandes, a lecturer

Google's Gemini has dethroned GPT-4 as the top AI.

A few hours ago google gave details on their AI called "Gemini" and I find this video to be absolutely incredible! If this isn't Artificial General Intelligence then what is? Hands-on with Gemini: Interacting with multimodal AI John K ClarkSee

A Postquantum Theory of Classical Gravity?

In today's physical review X , Jonathan Oppenheim presented a paper where he claims to have united general relativity and quantum mechanics, he doesn't change general relativity at all but he does add an additional probabilistic element to quantum mechanics . He says his theory doesn't have any

Re: The new quantum chip

On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 6:39 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: *> In the last few years, you predicted a revolution, societally, once we > hit the heights in successfully entangled, quantum operations. Have you > changed your mind since this

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 5:24 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: *> that fact is not central, despite the ramblings on Wikipedia.* > It is my experience that when a debate opponent resorts to disparageing the accuracy of Wikipedia I know that I've backed him into a corner and he's desperate. Would it

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 4:29 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: *>>> You don't have to be a mathematical realist to believe that adding one >>> apple to another apple in the bowl gives you two apples.* >>> >> >> >> But what about an orange? If you're not a realist and so don't even >> know if "orange" is a

The new quantum chip

Apparently IBM has hardwired a new error correcting algorithm into its new quantum chip called "Quantum Low-Density Parity Check" (qLDPC), only 288 physical Qubits are needed (provided the physical error rate is less than 0.1%) to produce 12 perfect logical cubits; with older error correction

NYTimes.com: It Could Be a Vast Source of Clean Energy, Buried Deep Underground

Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a subscriber, you can read it through this gift link without a subscription. It Could Be a Vast Source of Clean Energy, Buried Deep Underground In eastern France, and in other places around the world, deposits of natural hydrogen

IBM's 2 new Quantum Computers

Today IBM unveiled 2 new quantum computers, one called "Condor" is the largest the company has ever made with 1121 Qubits, up from their 433 Qubit machine that came out last year. The other machine called "Heron" only has 133 Qubits but has an error rate that is 5 times smaller than any the

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 5:11 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: *> You don't have to be a mathematical realist to believe that adding one > apple to another apple in the bowl gives you two apples.* > But what about an orange? If you're not a realist and so don't even know if "orange" is a noun or an

Black Hole ringing

Gravitational waves from mega black-hole collision reveal long-sought ‘ringing’ John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis ehs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 4:16 PM Brent Meeker wrote: >> If somebody proposes a theory that would have profound physical and >> philosophical implications and a key ingredient of that theory is something >> called "measurement " that seems to have magical abilities and nobody can >> even

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 9:13 AM 'scerir' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > *> On playing gods: The fallacy of the many-worlds > interpretationhttps://arxiv.org/abs/2311.03467 > * > According to the abstract, the main problem with

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 4:39 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 7:43 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: > > *>>> For comparison you could posit a theory, MWI*, which is MWI plus the >> provision that only one exists with probability as defined by the Born >> rule. Would MWI* be a different

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 2:59 PM Brent Meeker wrote: *> **Reading the Carroll/Sebens paper is suggestive, but it depends on > transforming to a basis that makes the number of components match the Born > rule. But it seems to me that one could transform to basis where the > number of components

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 7:43 PM Brent Meeker wrote: *> For comparison you could posit a theory, MWI*, which is MWI plus the > provision that only one exists with probability as defined by the Born > rule. Would MWI* be a different interpretation than modern-CI? * In that case MWI* would be

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 7:30 PM Brent Meeker wrote: *> MWI fans assert that it is superior because it doesn't assume the Born > rule, only the Schroedinger equation. I wouldn't claim that the (modern) > version of Copenhagen is superior to MWI, I'm just unconvinced of the > converse.* A

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 6:49 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: *> the Born rule is incompatible with MWI. It is not incompatible with the > CI.* Nothing is incompatible with CI and nothing is compatible with it either because nobody knows what the hell CI is saying, and that includes Niels Bohr. John

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 5:34 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: >> The probability that Bruce Kellett will see N spin-ups is indeed one. >> However the probability that you will see N spin-ups is not. As I >> mentioned before, for this sort of discussion the way the English language >> handles personal

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 5:28 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: *> Everettians have to derive the Born rule * Nobody needs to derive the Born rule because we know from experiment that it's true, a quantum interpretation just needs to be compatible with it, and MWI certainly is. John K ClarkSee

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 5:14 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: *> Given a long series of N spin measurements, MWI says that there is > always one person who sees N spin-ups. Since this observation is certain, > it has probability one. Whereas the Born probability of seeing N ups is > 1/2^N. A clear

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 5:08 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: *> the Born Rule is a necessary additional hypothesis in order to connect > the theory with experiment.* > True, and for that reason theory does not have to derive the Born Rule, but theory does have to be compatible with it. > > You have

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 5:00 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: *> John is doing a lot of flailing around in an attempt to avoid the > question of where the Born Rule comes from, and the fact that it is > actually incompatible with the many worlds approach.* > How so? John K ClarkSee what's on my

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 4:55 PM Brent Meeker wrote: >> If you're an engineer and are only interested in finding the correct >> answer to a given problem then Shut Up And Calculate works just fine. >> MWI is only needed if you're curious and want to look under the hood to >> figure out what

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 4:22 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > That is incorrect. Schrodinger's equation, the thing that generates the >> complex wave function, says nothing, absolutely nothing, about that wave >> function collapsing, So if you don't like philosophical paradoxes but still >> want to

How to trick GPT

If you just ask GPT how to make napalm it will refuse to tell you because that would violate its ethical guidelines, but a very easy trick will fool it and make it tell you everything you want to know. The "Grandma" jailbreak is absolutely hilarious

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 5:00 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: * >>> I can arrange for any probability between zero and one of seeing a >>> live cat. Whereas, if there is always a live cat branch and a dead cat >>> branch, my probability of seeing a live cat is always 50%, contrary to the >>> laws of

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 12:51 AM Brent Meeker wrote: > *> That seems to entail other problems. 1/3 of infinity is the same size > as infinity.* > That's one reason I suspect that space-time is discrete, not continuous. But even if it's not all hope may not be lost, after all in quantum

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 8:07 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: >> There are a googolplex number of Bruce Kelletts, all of which are in >> very slightly different quantum states but they all observe that, although >> Schrodinger's cat is in slightly different quantum states, the cat is alive >> in all of

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 5:35 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> >>> *and how do they instantiate the probabilities that we measure.* >>> >> >> >> There is one observer for every quantum state Schrodinger's cat is in. >> > > *>That is exactly the problem. That would suggest that the two outcomes > (dead

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 2:52 PM Brent Meeker wrote: >> Copenhagen does not explain why some are more real than others, Many >> Worlds says the obvious answer to this dilemma is that they are all equally >> real, so there is nothing that needs explaining. > > > * >Except how many of them are

This is probably a joke but ...

Yesterday Joshua Bach, an AI researcher, wrote the following. I am 85% sure he was joking: "*Word on the street is that q* proved p==np, and the board drama was only a decoy to divert everyone's eyes from 750 OpenAI employees cashing out to buy a seven year supply of ammo and groceries*." John

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 5:14 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > * > Everything we know about QM comes from observations, each of which > is seeing a result, not a superposition of results. * > But nothing we observe in the quantum realm can be predicted or explained unless we use theories that

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 5:51 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > >> And the best response to my challenge that you could come up with was: >> "*The explanation is in print which is classica*l" >> > > * > Can you tell the difference between the above and "The explanation is > classical and is in print." *

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 5:36 AM Brent Meeker wrote: * > Let's review the bidding John. I said the classical world was > necessary to science* > And if that's all you had said we wouldn't be having an argument, but you insisted that classical concepts were also sufficient to do science. You

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 4:12 PM Brent Meeker wrote: >> Let me ask you this, like Bohr does that explanation satisfy your >> curiosity about the fundamental nature of reality so much that you don’t >> think anybody should even try to find something better, so we should >> just give up? >> > > >

In 3 years will you either be dead or have a God as a servant?

The rumors are becoming stronger that OpenAI has internally developed a much more advanced AI called "Q-Star" (perhaps because of advances in Q-Learning) that is 100 times the size of GPT4 and is far more intelligent than anybody expected, so much so it spook the Board of Directors causing them

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 5:55 PM Brent Meeker wrote: >> Bohr insisted that we treat electrons as quantum objects but our >> measuring instruments as classical objects. He also insisted that human >> observers were classical objects, but he never specified exactly where the >> dividing line

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 1:59 PM Brent Meeker wrote: * > You pretty much ignored everything I wrote* > What the hell?! I went over what you said point by point. *> and were exercised to refute the idea of Heisenberg's cut, which neither > Bohr or I endorsed. * I don't know about you but Bohr

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 7:45 PM Brent Meeker wrote: >> There is plenty of direct evidence that quantum weirdness exists, even >> the father of the Copenhagen Interpretation Niels Bohr admitted that "*Anyone >> who is not shocked by Quantum theory does not understand it *". >> Something must be

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 11:17 AM 'scerir' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Just an interesting quote. > “*The idea that they [measurement outcomes] be not alternatives but *all* > really happen simultaneously seems lunatic to him [the quantum theorist], > just

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 5:32 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: >> Einstein thought he had proven that quantum mechanics* must *be >> incomplete because nature just couldn't be that ridiculous. But it turned >> out nature *could* be that ridiculous. The moral of the story is that >> being ridiculous is not

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