Re: Consciousness (was Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Telmo! On 25 Feb 2017, at 16:32, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Bruno! Evolution is a theory on the origins of biological complexity. We know nothing about consciousness. Do you agree that consciousness is a form of knowledge? That is: consciousness requires some knowledge, and (genuine)

Re: Consciousness (was Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-25 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
ist@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2017 8:20 pm Subject: Re: Consciousness (was Re: From Atheism to Islam On 2/25/2017 11:06 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 at 18:17, John Clar

Re: Consciousness (was Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-25 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/25/2017 11:06 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 at 18:17, John Clark > wrote: On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: ​> ​ I

Re: Consciousness (was Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-25 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 Telmo Menezes wrote: ​ > ​>> ​ >> ​Why, where is the mystery? If external information didn't CAUSE your >> consciousness to change you might as well be blind and deaf, ​and if >> consciousness didn't CAUSE external things to change you might as well

Re: Consciousness (was Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 at 18:17, John Clark wrote: > On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: > > ​> ​ > I always have a hard time seeing consciousness as causal. > > > ​Why, where is the mystery? If external information didn't CAUSE

Re: Consciousness (was Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-25 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: ​> ​ > I always have a hard time seeing consciousness as causal. ​Why, where is the mystery? If external information didn't CAUSE your consciousness to change you might as well be blind and deaf, ​and if

Re: Consciousness (was Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Bruno! >> Evolution is a theory on the origins of biological complexity. We know >> nothing about consciousness. > > > > Do you agree that consciousness is a form of knowledge? That is: > consciousness requires some knowledge, and (genuine) knowledge requires some > conscious person)? I

Re: Consciousness (was Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Feb 2017, at 21:12, Brent Meeker wrote: On 2/23/2017 12:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Feb 2017, at 16:33, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 1:19 AM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 Telmo Menezes wrote:

Re: Consciousness (was Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-23 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/23/2017 12:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Feb 2017, at 16:33, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 1:19 AM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 Telmo Menezes wrote: Dark Matter and Dark Energy remain complete

Consciousness (was Re: From Atheism to Islam

2017-02-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Feb 2017, at 16:33, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 1:19 AM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 Telmo Menezes wrote: Dark Matter and Dark Energy remain complete mysteries. As far as I can tell, what we have is