Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
Hi Cougar Clan- My little ones are very spoiled and I believe lead a very stress free lifestyle. The only thing that I think stresses Nibbler out is getting his vitamins and Prt Tinic via liquid syringe orally. He doesn't like the taste at all and he needs this done a few times a day. I will look up Rescue Remedy and Feliway. Thank you very much for the kind words. They have brought me some comfort when my heart feels so broken. I have been very stressed since we found out that they were FeLV + and much more the past couple weeks since Nibbler's been having very bad days. Even though its very difficult and it breaks my heart, taking care of them is well worth it when Nibbler curls up on me and purrs. Sounds like Dixie had an amazing and happy life too. I live in a small town in NW PA so there aren't many options vet wise. However, I emailed two vets, one holistic and another I am hoping to be a specialist last night, that are both about 2 hours away. I am waiting for phone calls to see what they have to offer. Kittens and I might be making a road trip soon. Crystal Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:35:13 -0800 Cougar Clan First, lessen the stress on him and on yourself and give him and the others the best food possible. Rescue Remedy and Feliway may help you and the kittens. Second, enjoy every minute you have with these babies. Don't look at calenders and wonder what if when or have self-doubts (almost impossible but try). Every one starts dying the minute they take their first breath. Make life as easy and fun and comfortable as you can for all you care about. Nibbler and his sibblings have a hard row ahead of them but think what their lives would be like if you and your husband hadn't cared? Dixie Louise lived 3 years when the vets were betting a much shorter time. She had everything I thought she might possibly want (with the exception of mice to chase and, had I known she was going to leave so suddenly, I might have gotten her the mice). She was full grown when she came into my life as a throw- away. She was the most wonderful little girl and I would not trade one second with her for anything. That time is well worth the pain. If you have a holistic vet in your area, seek her help. Dixie had her regular vets who are marvelous and she had a great holistic vet, Betty Boswell. I credit the combination of styles for her happy life. Blessings to you, your husband and the kittens. On Nov 18, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Crystal Proper wrote: Hi, my name is Crystal. My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4 weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building. We tamed them as well. About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV positive. Two of them are fine and doing great. The runt, Nibbler, isn’t. He’s been on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny eyes and nose…we had to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea. He is very symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its course and has run out if suggestions for me. He’s also half the size of his brothers. However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for me because I don’t want to give up on him. Here’s my list… He has severe diarrhea. Today it seems to be much more watery and blood. I have been given him yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora. He was getting boiled chicken, but will only eat canned cat food now. He’s also been wormed. He has a constant runny eyes and nose. He gets L-Lysine, B Vitamin Complex, and Ginger Root. Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet Tinic. He still runs and tries to get into rooms he’s not supposed to and gets on my chest and purrs in my face. He’s my baby. Please and help and prayers would be appreciated. ___ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
Hi Diane- I am not sure how much my vet knows about FeLV. I am very thankful and grateful to have her help. She is very busy and always listens to my constant questions. However, she keeps telling me that its the FeLV running its course and there's nothing I can do. However, I've been reading everyone's messages on here and it seems sometimes there is something you can do so I am trying to get as much information as possible. I emailed two other vets yesterday that are 2 hours away to see if they are specialists on it. I live in NW PA and I'm finding it difficult to find any vet that has dealt with it a lot. I am laid off right now but if I have to scrape my pennies together and eat spaghetti for a month, I will. She did tell me that sometimes kittens can convert to negative but since Nibbler had such problems already it didn't look good for him. I am still trying everything to get him out of the slump and get some weight on him and maybe he can be as big and healthy as his 2 FelV + brothers. Crystal - Diane Rosenfeldt Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:41:47 -0800 Hi, Crystal -- You'll get some great advice on this list. You guys are great for taking on this problem. I'm sorry Nibbler isn't doing so well. I guess my first (and only -- there are many more experienced people on this list to ask the others) question is how confident are you that your vet is up to speed on FeLV? That's kind of crucial here so that Nibbler gets the most knowledgeable care. Did your vet tell you that sometimes kittens convert to negative once their immune systems develop, and do you know if this is still an option for yours? Best of luck and good vibes for Nibbler and the rest. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Crystal Proper Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 5:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help Hi, my name is Crystal. My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4 weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building. We tamed them as well. About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV positive. Two of them are fine and doing great. The runt, Nibbler, isnt. Hes been on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny eyes and nose we had to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea. He is very symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its course and has run out if suggestions for me. Hes also half the size of his brothers. However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for me because I dont want to give up on him. Heres my list He has severe diarrhea. Today it seems to be much more watery and blood. I have been given him yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora. He was getting boiled chicken, but will only eat canned cat food now. Hes also been wormed. He has a constant runny eyes and nose. He gets L-Lysine, B Vitamin Complex, and Ginger Root. Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet Tinic. He still runs and tries to get into rooms hes not supposed to and gets on my chest and purrs in my face. Hes my baby. Please and help and prayers would be appreciated. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
Hi Belinda- All 3 kittens, Nibbler, Brillo and Desmond all got antibiotics when we got them at 4 weeks old. Brillo and Desmond kicked the upper resp after a couple weeks but Nibbler hasn't. He was on them for another 6 or 7 weeks after that but we had to take him off about 2 weeks ago because it was too much for his little system to handle. He is very small and his digestive system has been bad for awhile. The vet said that the antibiotics may have killed all the good bacteria in his system. That's why we have him on all the vitamins right now, but the poor thing is suffering from the constant runny eyes and nose. Crystal Belinda Sauro Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:32:59 -0800 When my Frankie got an upper respiratory, he had it for a long time. How long has Nibbler been on the antibiotic? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
Gloria, didn't you have some luck with your kitties and vitamin c when they had upper respiratory's. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Considering Adopting Felv have ?'s
Good for you, Allison! The wonderful people here have a HUGE amount of knowledge that will be invaluable to you. Good luckand bless you for giving this kitty a loving home! Debbie (COL) Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle Philo From: panchobri...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:28:43 -0800 Subject: [Felvtalk] Considering Adopting Felv have ?'s Hi, Im in touch with a rescue group and am considering adopting a cat diagnosed with Felv. Actually, I already told the gal I'd take the cat. . . so NOW I'm doing my homework! LOL Do I have to worry about people coming into my home, whether they handle the cat or not, going back home and risking giving it to their cat? I understand that the disease progresses differently for each cat. What is considered, on average, the lifespan of a cat with Felv. It won't affect my decision, I just want to be somewhat prepared. Thanks ahead of time! _ Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Keep your friends updated—even when you’re not signed in. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_5:092010 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
Hi Crystal, Are you far from Cornell University in NY? I recently took my cat to see an internal med there and have been incredibly pleased with her knowledge and compassion. She is the only one who has not given up on my leuk positive cat. I'd be happy to send you her name if it's a trip that you could make. Amy --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 3:43 AM Hi Diane- I am not sure how much my vet knows about FeLV. I am very thankful and grateful to have her help. She is very busy and always listens to my constant questions. However, she keeps telling me that its the FeLV running its course and there's nothing I can do. However, I've been reading everyone's messages on here and it seems sometimes there is something you can do so I am trying to get as much information as possible. I emailed two other vets yesterday that are 2 hours away to see if they are specialists on it. I live in NW PA and I'm finding it difficult to find any vet that has dealt with it a lot. I am laid off right now but if I have to scrape my pennies together and eat spaghetti for a month, I will. She did tell me that sometimes kittens can convert to negative but since Nibbler had such problems already it didn't look good for him. I am still trying everything to get him out of the slump and get some weight on him and maybe he can be as big and healthy as his 2 FelV + brothers. Crystal - Diane Rosenfeldt Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:41:47 -0800 Hi, Crystal -- You'll get some great advice on this list. You guys are great for taking on this problem. I'm sorry Nibbler isn't doing so well. I guess my first (and only -- there are many more experienced people on this list to ask the others) question is how confident are you that your vet is up to speed on FeLV? That's kind of crucial here so that Nibbler gets the most knowledgeable care. Did your vet tell you that sometimes kittens convert to negative once their immune systems develop, and do you know if this is still an option for yours? Best of luck and good vibes for Nibbler and the rest. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Crystal Proper Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 5:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help Hi, my name is Crystal. My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4 weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building. We tamed them as well. About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV positive. Two of them are fine and doing great. The runt, Nibbler, isnt. Hes been on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny eyes and nose we had to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea. He is very symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its course and has run out if suggestions for me. Hes also half the size of his brothers. However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for me because I dont want to give up on him. Heres my list He has severe diarrhea. Today it seems to be much more watery and blood. I have been given him yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora. He was getting boiled chicken, but will only eat canned cat food now. Hes also been wormed. He has a constant runny eyes and nose. He gets L-Lysine, B Vitamin Complex, and Ginger Root. Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet Tinic. He still runs and tries to get into rooms hes not supposed to and gets on my chest and purrs in my face. Hes my baby. Please and help and prayers would be appreciated. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
Amy- That's only an 1 1/2 from me! I would love her name and contact info please! Crystal Amy Thu, 19 Nov 2009 05:13:44 -0800 Hi Crystal, Are you far from Cornell University in NY? I recently took my cat to see an internal med there and have been incredibly pleased with her knowledge and compassion. She is the only one who has not given up on my leuk positive cat. I'd be happy to send you her name if it's a trip that you could make. Amy --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 3:43 AM Hi Diane- I am not sure how much my vet knows about FeLV. I am very thankful and grateful to have her help. She is very busy and always listens to my constant questions. However, she keeps telling me that its the FeLV running its course and there's nothing I can do. However, I've been reading everyone's messages on here and it seems sometimes there is something you can do so I am trying to get as much information as possible. I emailed two other vets yesterday that are 2 hours away to see if they are specialists on it. I live in NW PA and I'm finding it difficult to find any vet that has dealt with it a lot. I am laid off right now but if I have to scrape my pennies together and eat spaghetti for a month, I will. She did tell me that sometimes kittens can convert to negative but since Nibbler had such problems already it didn't look good for him. I am still trying everything to get him out of the slump and get some weight on him and maybe he can be as big and healthy as his 2 FelV + brothers. Crystal - Diane Rosenfeldt Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:41:47 -0800 Hi, Crystal -- You'll get some great advice on this list. You guys are great for taking on this problem. I'm sorry Nibbler isn't doing so well. I guess my first (and only -- there are many more experienced people on this list to ask the others) question is how confident are you that your vet is up to speed on FeLV? That's kind of crucial here so that Nibbler gets the most knowledgeable care. Did your vet tell you that sometimes kittens convert to negative once their immune systems develop, and do you know if this is still an option for yours? Best of luck and good vibes for Nibbler and the rest. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Crystal Proper Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 5:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help Hi, my name is Crystal. My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4 weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building. We tamed them as well. About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV positive. Two of them are fine and doing great. The runt, Nibbler, isnt. Hes been on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny eyes and nose we had to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea. He is very symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its course and has run out if suggestions for me. Hes also half the size of his brothers. However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for me because I dont want to give up on him. Heres my list He has severe diarrhea. Today it seems to be much more watery and blood. I have been given him yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora. He was getting boiled chicken, but will only eat canned cat food now. Hes also been wormed. He has a constant runny eyes and nose. He gets L-Lysine, B Vitamin Complex, and Ginger Root. Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet Tinic. He still runs and tries to get into rooms hes not supposed to and gets on my chest and purrs in my face. Hes my baby. Please and help and prayers would be appreciated. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Crystal and Nibbler
Hello Crystal, I love the people in this group. They are compassionate and knowledgable. Here are my suggestions. 1. The upper respiratory infection - common in felv kittens. I have fought this battle. As far as an effective antibiotic - Azithromycin works wonders. It is not currently approved for veterinary medicine, but I got it from the vet school in Madison, wi. It is amazing. Call you vet and ask if they would be willing to get it for your somehow. The pet apothecary, etc. The additional items are also helpful lysine for viral infection, vitamin c for antioxidant and improved immune response. 2. GI problems - oral antibiotics can often cause gi problems because it truely does kill off the normal flora of the system and allows for infectious bacteria to invade and actually viruses as well (including feline coronavirs, partial cause of FIP). Here is my biggest concern from what I am hearing. FIP is seen in association with felv especially in younger multicat households. The big symptoms are diarrhea, vomitting, high fever, anemia, loss of muscle mass and anorexia. Another woman in this group is battling that right now. It is thought by many vets to be nearly 100% fatal. No good conventional treatment options exist for them and decline is usually days to weeks. You can see neurologic symtpoms - unsteady gait, seizures etc. Or you can see fluid accumulate in the abdomen and chest so they get sort of a barrel shaped abdomen that bulges out. I can't say for sure this is going on but it would be my biggest concern. Things to look for are high fever (~103F), anemia, loss of appetite, loss of muscle mass, any bumpy or enlarged lymph nodes or new skin lesions, diarrhea and vomitting, and the presence of eye changes - you see their third eyelid (it is located on the side of the eye towards the nose) or clouding of their eyes. The other woman in this group is currently using high dose iv vitamin C and I believe successfully. It is, however, a day by day process. 3. Felv+ - Almost every vet I have ever spoken with believes this is a death sentence. It isn't always, but there's no way to tell now who will do well and who won't. So here's the deal. If you have any chance of these kitties turning negative or least living longer lives, it is to treat them all now. If you wait until they are sick you are almost always fighting a losing battle. Things to do - diet - high protein diet (Evo or Nature's Variety-instinct, there are others) or raw diet (frozen Nature's variety of stella and chewy's), I recommend raw, but some will disagree. Treatment - LTCI , a monthly injection to stimulate the immune system cost about $70 per injection, requires prescription, made by Imulan, they will send your vet the meds or find a vet that has them they have names of vets near you; Acemannan or Ambrotose - either intraperitoneal injection or oral supplement - oral about $40 per bottle, no prescription for oral, made by Mannatech I believe. Interferon - oral medication, very cheap, need prescription most vets can get. You can use them separately or together. Sometimes you can reverse the viral status if you start early enough. I really fear you have an FIP situation on your hands. I would start aggressive treatment with him now if that is the case. I would stay away from Prednisone (most vets recommend it)it will only symptomatically help and the disease will progress. I pray the high dose vitamin C will work for this other woman and I would probably take that route with your little guy. This is what I would consider - Azithromycin for the URI, high dose(by this I mean on the order of grams per day - for the exact regimen I wouldl have to speak with the other woman in the group) vitamin C for possible FIP (this will be a daily IV drip - labor intensive), Imulan injections and continued oral supplements. You are not going to win with conventional treatment - I believe that with all my heart. You have to look beyond what the vets out there are telling you. There are two other routes I am aware of for FIP, if you are interested I can give you more info. Good luck and God bless you. Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
Amy- I just found out its actually 4 1/2 hours away from me instead of 1 1/2. I don't think I can make that drive right now. Thanks, Crystal Amy- That's only an 1 1/2 from me! I would love her name and contact info please! Crystal Amy Thu, 19 Nov 2009 05:13:44 -0800 Hi Crystal, Are you far from Cornell University in NY? I recently took my cat to see an internal med there and have been incredibly pleased with her knowledge and compassion. She is the only one who has not given up on my leuk positive cat. I'd be happy to send you her name if it's a trip that you could make. Amy --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 3:43 AM Hi Diane- I am not sure how much my vet knows about FeLV. I am very thankful and grateful to have her help. She is very busy and always listens to my constant questions. However, she keeps telling me that its the FeLV running its course and there's nothing I can do. However, I've been reading everyone's messages on here and it seems sometimes there is something you can do so I am trying to get as much information as possible. I emailed two other vets yesterday that are 2 hours away to see if they are specialists on it. I live in NW PA and I'm finding it difficult to find any vet that has dealt with it a lot. I am laid off right now but if I have to scrape my pennies together and eat spaghetti for a month, I will. She did tell me that sometimes kittens can convert to negative but since Nibbler had such problems already it didn't look good for him. I am still trying everything to get him out of the slump and get some weight on him and maybe he can be as big and healthy as his 2 FelV + brothers. Crystal - Diane Rosenfeldt Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:41:47 -0800 Hi, Crystal -- You'll get some great advice on this list. You guys are great for taking on this problem. I'm sorry Nibbler isn't doing so well. I guess my first (and only -- there are many more experienced people on this list to ask the others) question is how confident are you that your vet is up to speed on FeLV? That's kind of crucial here so that Nibbler gets the most knowledgeable care. Did your vet tell you that sometimes kittens convert to negative once their immune systems develop, and do you know if this is still an option for yours? Best of luck and good vibes for Nibbler and the rest. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Crystal Proper Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 5:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help Hi, my name is Crystal. My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4 weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building. We tamed them as well. About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV positive. Two of them are fine and doing great. The runt, Nibbler, isnt. Hes been on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny eyes and nose we had to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea. He is very symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its course and has run out if suggestions for me. Hes also half the size of his brothers. However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for me because I dont want to give up on him. Heres my list He has severe diarrhea. Today it seems to be much more watery and blood. I have been given him yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora. He was getting boiled chicken, but will only eat canned cat food now. Hes also been wormed. He has a constant runny eyes and nose. He gets L-Lysine, B Vitamin Complex, and Ginger Root. Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet Tinic. He still runs and tries to get into rooms hes not supposed to and gets on my chest and purrs in my face. Hes my baby. Please and help and prayers would be appreciated. ___ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Raw Food
Lorrie, Yes, I think raw is the best also. If you go to those websites, they give you step-by-step instructions on how to make it. You have to be careful to follow the recommended proportions. It does take a little time to convince the cats that this is what they should be eating. One of mine, a 12 year old dry food 'addict' took almost 2 months to completely change to this diet. The others were much easier to convince. I just mixed it with a good canned food, progressively adding more raw. They will eventually eat it by itself and love it, you just have to be determined. Occasionally, I do give some canned food for variety, or when I run out of the raw. On those websites, they also explain how to grind it -- you will have to buy a grinder, and yes, you should use real bones. Its daunting at first, but gets easier everytime you make it. Tracey On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: I think a raw food diet is best for cats, as it's certainly more natural, with none of the by-products and other awful stuff they add to cat food. However only one of my cats will eat it. The others just sniff it and walk away. I'd be interested in hearing what your diet consists of. Are there any particular proportions you use of the chicken, bones, organ meat, egg, vitamins etc, and can bone meal be used instead of bones? I don't know how I'd grind bones. Lorrie On 11-15, Tracey Shrout wrote: Anna, I will give you my personal opinion dealing with severe diahrrea in 2 of my kitties, one of which is +. After many trips to the vet and having many tests for parasites and doses of parasitic medicines, antibiotics, trying fortiflora (which does help some), nothing completely resolved their issues until I started feeding my cats what I feel is the best food possible -- a raw homemade diet of chicken and bones (and organ meat, egg, and vitamins, etc). Lots of people are totally against feeding raw, but I have 5 very healthy kitties who've been eating it for almost 2 years now with remarkable changes in all of them. No more diahrrea for my kitties, and most of the time is doesn't even have an odor (no kidding!) I will never go back to dry, and I use only a good quality grain-free can food if necessary. Cats with diahrrea are naturally going to be dehydrated, so you really need to be giving them water WITH their food -- a canned food. If the homemade diet is not an option for you though, just try a grain free diet. Wellness has a good canned one, and there are a few grain-free dry foods as well. Most cats merely 'tolerate' grains, and other cats cannot. It is not natural for them to eat grains. Oh, and LOTS of cats throw up. No, it is not good, but it is very common. My cats don't throw up anymore (other than hairballs) EVER! I spent tons of time researching making my own food because of so many health issiues w/my kitties -- now I don't have any issues at all. If you want to learn more, check out catnutrition.com and catinfo.com. If you follow the recipes to a T'', you will be amazed! Good luck, and I hope they get better! Tracey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Raw Food
A funny story- my husband suddenly decided that he would feed a raw diet to the cats and invested a lot of money in meat and supplements according to a good recipe he found. Not one cat out of about 12 would touch it. Turns out he had purchased (a big!) bottle of lemon-flavored fish oil to put in it I don't think they liked the lemony freshness! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Raw Food
Hi Lorrie It took me a long time to switch my cat (Felv+) to raw. She refused any raw that I first offered her and rejected cat food that had any raw in it. I have two dogs that I have fed raw to since they were puppies. I discovered that when I was preparing their food my cat would jump up and begin eating whatever I was serving them, including organic buffalo, beef, lamb ...not just chicken and turkey. By letting her eat from their bowls she developed a taste for it and will now eat it from her own bowl. It is not always fool proof. For whatever reason she will sometimes reject raw so I use Petguard (Whole Foods) or Wellness (both wet) as back up. I am convinced that a species appropriate diet is really the way to go. It is not easy but when you realize what the by products used in commercial pet food are, it is very motivating. Jane On Nov 19, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Tracey Shrout wrote: Lorrie, Yes, I think raw is the best also. If you go to those websites, they give you step-by-step instructions on how to make it. You have to be careful to follow the recommended proportions. It does take a little time to convince the cats that this is what they should be eating. One of mine, a 12 year old dry food 'addict' took almost 2 months to completely change to this diet. The others were much easier to convince. I just mixed it with a good canned food, progressively adding more raw. They will eventually eat it by itself and love it, you just have to be determined. Occasionally, I do give some canned food for variety, or when I run out of the raw. On those websites, they also explain how to grind it -- you will have to buy a grinder, and yes, you should use real bones. Its daunting at first, but gets easier everytime you make it. Tracey On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: I think a raw food diet is best for cats, as it's certainly more natural, with none of the by-products and other awful stuff they add to cat food. However only one of my cats will eat it. The others just sniff it and walk away. I'd be interested in hearing what your diet consists of. Are there any particular proportions you use of the chicken, bones, organ meat, egg, vitamins etc, and can bone meal be used instead of bones? I don't know how I'd grind bones. Lorrie On 11-15, Tracey Shrout wrote: Anna, I will give you my personal opinion dealing with severe diahrrea in 2 of my kitties, one of which is +. After many trips to the vet and having many tests for parasites and doses of parasitic medicines, antibiotics, trying fortiflora (which does help some), nothing completely resolved their issues until I started feeding my cats what I feel is the best food possible -- a raw homemade diet of chicken and bones (and organ meat, egg, and vitamins, etc). Lots of people are totally against feeding raw, but I have 5 very healthy kitties who've been eating it for almost 2 years now with remarkable changes in all of them. No more diahrrea for my kitties, and most of the time is doesn't even have an odor (no kidding!) I will never go back to dry, and I use only a good quality grain-free can food if necessary. Cats with diahrrea are naturally going to be dehydrated, so you really need to be giving them water WITH their food -- a canned food. If the homemade diet is not an option for you though, just try a grain free diet. Wellness has a good canned one, and there are a few grain-free dry foods as well. Most cats merely 'tolerate' grains, and other cats cannot. It is not natural for them to eat grains. Oh, and LOTS of cats throw up. No, it is not good, but it is very common. My cats don't throw up anymore (other than hairballs) EVER! I spent tons of time researching making my own food because of so many health issiues w/my kitties -- now I don't have any issues at all. If you want to learn more, check out catnutrition.com and catinfo.com. If you follow the recipes to a T'', you will be amazed! Good luck, and I hope they get better! Tracey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
Crystal, have you tried a raw food for him? When I first got my positive kitty, she had uncontrollable (bloody) diarrhea, and I tried every food I could. The only thing that stopped it was a raw food consisting of chicken and bones (among other ingredients). She was on antibiotics, fortiflora, and had been wormed several times. She had been through so much up to that point and that was my last resort -- but it worked! I can't tell you how I fretted over her condition -- she was miserable until I started feeding her the raw. Feline's Pride is one of the best on the market, but expensive and you have to have it shipped. Nature's Variety is another food that I have seen in the pet stores though. It might be worth a try, this is a diet highly recommended for Irritable Bowel Disease. Good luck, my heart goes out to you. Tracey On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.comwrote: Hi, my name is Crystal. My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4 weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building. We tamed them as well. About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV positive. Two of them are fine and doing great. The runt, Nibbler, isn’t. He’s been on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny eyes and nose…we had to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea. He is very symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its course and has run out if suggestions for me. He’s also half the size of his brothers. However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for me because I don’t want to give up on him. Here’s my list… He has severe diarrhea. Today it seems to be much more watery and blood. I have been given him yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora. He was getting boiled chicken, but will only eat canned cat food now. He’s also been wormed. He has a constant runny eyes and nose. He gets L-Lysine, B Vitamin Complex, and Ginger Root. Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet Tinic. He still runs and tries to get into rooms he’s not supposed to and gets on my chest and purrs in my face. He’s my baby. Please and help and prayers would be appreciated. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Raw Food
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
You might try to add a little pumpkin to his food. Real canned pumpkin, not pie filling. I keep several cans on hand because of the ferals at Mom's. Most are not touchable and you can only do what you can do for them. My vets use psyllium (just a pinch). On Nov 19, 2009, at 4:26 PM, Tracey Shrout wrote: Crystal, have you tried a raw food for him? When I first got my positive kitty, she had uncontrollable (bloody) diarrhea, and I tried every food I could. The only thing that stopped it was a raw food consisting of chicken and bones (among other ingredients). She was on antibiotics, fortiflora, and had been wormed several times. She had been through so much up to that point and that was my last resort -- but it worked! I can't tell you how I fretted over her condition -- she was miserable until I started feeding her the raw. Feline's Pride is one of the best on the market, but expensive and you have to have it shipped. Nature's Variety is another food that I have seen in the pet stores though. It might be worth a try, this is a diet highly recommended for Irritable Bowel Disease. Good luck, my heart goes out to you. Tracey On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, my name is Crystal. My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4 weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building. We tamed them as well. About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV positive. Two of them are fine and doing great. The runt, Nibbler, isn’t. He’s been on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny eyes and nose…we had to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea. He is very symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its course and has run out if suggestions for me. He’s also half the size of his brothers. However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for me because I don’t want to give up on him. Here’s my list… He has severe diarrhea. Today it seems to be much more watery and blood. I have been given him yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora. He was getting boiled chicken, but will only eat canned cat food now. He’s also been wormed. He has a constant runny eyes and nose. He gets L-Lysine, B Vitamin Complex, and Ginger Root. Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet Tinic. He still runs and tries to get into rooms he’s not supposed to and gets on my chest and purrs in my face. He’s my baby. Please and help and prayers would be appreciated. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Raw Food
I have to chime in on the raw food. I started cooking for Dixie after the cat/dog food scare a few years ago and no longer feed my kept cats any thing with grain. The ferals get Purina dry and canned (I don't know of any recalls involving their products). I discovered Primal Raw and served it to Dixie a lot and to Copper and Thomas several times a week. They get cooked chicken frequently, especially for snacks. Dixie did wonderfully on it and so are the the boys. It comes in one oz cubes that can be thawed and served with or without veggies added (Dixie liked spinach and/or broccoli chopped and added). I'm vegetarian and find this easier than grinding. There are other frozen brands available too. The Primal Raw is species specific. It is more expensive and, with two large male cats, I am rethinking the home-made issue. Dixie was Felv+. The boys aren't. On Nov 19, 2009, at 3:45 PM, Tracey Shrout wrote: Lorrie, Yes, I think raw is the best also. If you go to those websites, they give you step-by-step instructions on how to make it. You have to be careful to follow the recommended proportions. It does take a little time to convince the cats that this is what they should be eating. One of mine, a 12 year old dry food 'addict' took almost 2 months to completely change to this diet. The others were much easier to convince. I just mixed it with a good canned food, progressively adding more raw. They will eventually eat it by itself and love it, you just have to be determined. Occasionally, I do give some canned food for variety, or when I run out of the raw. On those websites, they also explain how to grind it -- you will have to buy a grinder, and yes, you should use real bones. Its daunting at first, but gets easier everytime you make it. Tracey On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: I think a raw food diet is best for cats, as it's certainly more natural, with none of the by-products and other awful stuff they add to cat food. However only one of my cats will eat it. The others just sniff it and walk away. I'd be interested in hearing what your diet consists of. Are there any particular proportions you use of the chicken, bones, organ meat, egg, vitamins etc, and can bone meal be used instead of bones? I don't know how I'd grind bones. Lorrie On 11-15, Tracey Shrout wrote: Anna, I will give you my personal opinion dealing with severe diahrrea in 2 of my kitties, one of which is +. After many trips to the vet and having many tests for parasites and doses of parasitic medicines, antibiotics, trying fortiflora (which does help some), nothing completely resolved their issues until I started feeding my cats what I feel is the best food possible -- a raw homemade diet of chicken and bones (and organ meat, egg, and vitamins, etc). Lots of people are totally against feeding raw, but I have 5 very healthy kitties who've been eating it for almost 2 years now with remarkable changes in all of them. No more diahrrea for my kitties, and most of the time is doesn't even have an odor (no kidding!) I will never go back to dry, and I use only a good quality grain-free can food if necessary. Cats with diahrrea are naturally going to be dehydrated, so you really need to be giving them water WITH their food -- a canned food. If the homemade diet is not an option for you though, just try a grain free diet. Wellness has a good canned one, and there are a few grain-free dry foods as well. Most cats merely 'tolerate' grains, and other cats cannot. It is not natural for them to eat grains. Oh, and LOTS of cats throw up. No, it is not good, but it is very common. My cats don't throw up anymore (other than hairballs) EVER! I spent tons of time researching making my own food because of so many health issiues w/my kitties -- now I don't have any issues at all. If you want to learn more, check out catnutrition.com and catinfo.com. If you follow the recipes to a T'', you will be amazed! Good luck, and I hope they get better! Tracey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth
Hi all, I have a positive who has a loose lower canine tooth. I have never had this problem in a cat. She is very clumsy (one bad eye) and I think she has possibly just ran into something. Anyway, her tooth is now sticking straight out. I worry that it may be getting infected, or that it may become infected when it falls out. This is the fifth day, and it still hasn't fallen out. She's acting normal and eats fine as well. Is this something I should be terribly concerned about or has anyone had this happen to your kitty??? Thanks for any advice, Tracey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth
I would get her to a vet as soon as possible to make sure there isn't an infection Abscessed teeth can be a serious issue. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Tracey Shrout Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 4:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth Hi all, I have a positive who has a loose lower canine tooth. I have never had this problem in a cat. She is very clumsy (one bad eye) and I think she has possibly just ran into something. Anyway, her tooth is now sticking straight out. I worry that it may be getting infected, or that it may become infected when it falls out. This is the fifth day, and it still hasn't fallen out. She's acting normal and eats fine as well. Is this something I should be terribly concerned about or has anyone had this happen to your kitty??? Thanks for any advice, Tracey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth
One of my positives started smelling bad and I realized that he had a serious red line on his gums near the teeth. The vet said that the gum infection was so bad, his little front teeth would probably fall out. Gum infection is quite often seen in positives. Alot of the infection cleared up with antibiotic but not all. We'll need to try something more. I would suspect something like this with your kitty to let that tooth get so loose. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth
I should have said before that I had called the vet when I first noticed it, and they said as long as she was eating that she was probably ok. I hate the thought of stressing her out to take her to the vet if it might just fall out and be ok. When I first got her (a year ago), all of her upper and lower tiny teeth were missing. She had very bad breath and gingivitis. After giving her Petzlife oral gel over a period of many months, the vet said her mouth looked very good, and her breath got much better So she's had a history of bad teeth. Thank you for the advice! On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 5:51 PM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote: One of my positives started smelling bad and I realized that he had a serious red line on his gums near the teeth. The vet said that the gum infection was so bad, his little front teeth would probably fall out. Gum infection is quite often seen in positives. Alot of the infection cleared up with antibiotic but not all. We'll need to try something more. I would suspect something like this with your kitty to let that tooth get so loose. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth
Had this recently with one of mine. Her canine tooth was sticking straight out also, it looked horrible, but took her to vet, person who does dentals there easily removed the tooth. Came right out in one second, by had, no big deal! From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 5:47:06 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth I would get her to a vet as soon as possible to make sure there isn't an infection Abscessed teeth can be a serious issue. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Tracey Shrout Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 4:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] advice on kitty's loose tooth Hi all, I have a positive who has a loose lower canine tooth. I have never had this problem in a cat. She is very clumsy (one bad eye) and I think she has possibly just ran into something. Anyway, her tooth is now sticking straight out. I worry that it may be getting infected, or that it may become infected when it falls out. This is the fifth day, and it still hasn't fallen out. She's acting normal and eats fine as well. Is this something I should be terribly concerned about or has anyone had this happen to your kitty??? Thanks for any advice, Tracey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten
Hi, All, Just dropping in to post about the success I have had in reversing FIP in one of my kittens. As most of you know, I lost my FeLV+ boy Lukey in October and we were never sure what actually caused his death, as though we were able to improve his red blood count with a transfusion and his lymphocytes were increasing with Imulan's LTCI, his fevers, weight loss and anorexia persisted. He died just after we had placed an esophageal feeding tube. I pulled three six-week-old kittens from a kill shelter last June and they have been healthy, happy and thriving. Then, following their FVRCP vaccinations on October 8, 10 days later one of them, Chuckie, began with chronic high fevers, lethargy and inappetence. When he didn't rebound in a few days, I, like so many others, took him for conventional veterinary treatment which consisted of the routine antibiotics and steroids. When he did not respond to their treatment they simply returned a diagnosis of Fever of Unknown Origin, and sent me on my way, at which time I proceeded to a second, and yet a third specialty vet. They all returned the same diagnosis and basically dismissed Chuckie and me with no hope. I had no idea of what to do next but since I had seen such good results with intravenous vitamin C in my lymphosarcoma cat Linus (who is still alive nearly two years after his original diagnosis thanks to the treatments), I took Chuckie to my vet who performs the ascorbate treatments for me and Chuckie was started on IV ascorbic acid immediately. He received five days of the treatment but not consecutively and apparently at less then adequate dosages because though he seemed much improved by the fifth drip, we mistakenly stopped the drips thinking he would remain better and two days later he manifested with severe neurological symptoms and two days after that he was dead. At around the same time Chuckie was dying his sister Angelica then became sick with the identical symptoms and stopped eating and had some transient neurological involvement. This time, with the pain from Chuckie's death and failed conventional treatment still very fresh, I realized that if Angelica was going to be saved we would have to bypass conventional vet medicine and get her started on the intravenous ascorbate immediately. Her drips were begun on Tuesday, November 10 and according to the protocol of Wendell Belfield, DVM she was titrated up quickly to 2 grams per pound of body weight (she weighed 5 pounds and so she was receiving close to 10 grams of vitamin C intravenously by the third or fourth day). Vitamin C is a powerful virucidal and immune stimulant and because I work in this field, I am well familiar with the properties of this near miracle supplement. See http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/198x/smith-lh-clinica l_guide_1988.htm for information as to why and how vitamin C kills viruses. As of November 19, 2009 Angelica has received nine intravenous ascorbic acid drips and again, we were able to successfully achieve the 2g per pound (10,000 mg at each drip) with no side effects whatsoever. After her 6th drip her fevers began to remain down overnight (as Belfield predicted would happen), and now after 9 drips she is eating, putting on weight, and her fevers are consistently gone. Though I'm always afraid to utter it aloud, especially after losing two other babies to what I now believe was FIP in both cases, Angelica appears to have beaten this despicable disease thanks to the power of intravenous ascorbate and the work of vitamin C pioneers like Linus Pauling and Dr. Wendell Belfield in vet medicine. For those of you who are interested, you can read more about Dr. Belfield's protocol and work in this field at http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/197x/belfield-w-j_int _assn_prev_med-1978-v2-n3-p10.htm. He also discusses successes and seroconversions in FeLV+ cats with the use of intravenous, injected and oral vitamin C, though the most success is seen with FeLV in cats who are newly diagnosed and the virus has not yet reached the bone. If I had a newly diagnosed FeLV cat that I was trying to save, I would certainly not hesitate to put it on intravenous and injectable ascorbate at high levels, since it is nontoxic and completely safe for the cat. The vials of sodium ascorbate are charged at around $25.00 per vial by my vet and there is enough product in a vial to get three or four high level drips out of it. The only other cost is placement of the catheter for the drip which can remain in place for up to four days. I have even hung the drips at home when the vet was good enough to loan me her infusion pump and it is not difficult to do. I am now buying my own infusion pump for future use because I would not be without this powerful weapon on behalf of my cats that I cherish. Anyway, If any of you has any questions about the protocol I used with Angelica for her FIP, feel free to write. You can also view
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
Hello Crystal, I love the people in this group. They are compassionate and knowledgable. Here are my suggestions. 1. The upper respiratory infection - common in felv kittens. I have fought this battle. As far as an effective antibiotic - Azithromycin works wonders. It is not currently approved for veterinary medicine, but I got it from the vet school in Madison, wi. It is amazing. Call you vet and ask if they would be willing to get it for your somehow. The pet apothecary, etc. The additional items are also helpful lysine for viral infection, vitamin c for antioxidant and improved immune response. 2. GI problems - oral antibiotics can often cause gi problems because it truely does kill off the normal flora of the system and allows for infectious bacteria to invade and actually viruses as well (including feline coronavirs, partial cause of FIP). Here is my biggest concern from what I am hearing. FIP is seen in association with felv especially in younger multicat households. The big symptoms are diarrhea, vomitting, high fever, anemia, loss of muscle mass and anorexia. Another woman in this group is battling that right now. It is thought by many vets to be nearly 100% fatal. No good conventional treatment options exist for them and decline is usually days to weeks. You can see neurologic symtpoms - unsteady gait, seizures etc. Or you can see fluid accumulate in the abdomen and chest so they get sort of a barrel shaped abdomen that bulges out. I can't say for sure this is going on but it would be my biggest concern. Things to look for are high fever (~103F), anemia, loss of appetite, loss of muscle mass, any bumpy or enlarged lymph nodes or new skin lesions, diarrhea and vomitting, and the presence of eye changes - you see their third eyelid (it is located on the side of the eye towards the nose) or clouding of their eyes. The other woman in this group is currently using high dose iv vitamin C and I believe successfully. It is, however, a day by day process. 3. Felv+ - Almost every vet I have ever spoken with believes this is a death sentence. It isn't always, but there's no way to tell now who will do well and who won't. So here's the deal. If you have any chance of these kitties turning negative or least living longer lives, it is to treat them all now. If you wait until they are sick you are almost always fighting a losing battle. Things to do - diet - high protein diet (Evo or Nature's Variety-instinct, there are others) or raw diet (frozen Nature's variety of stella and chewy's), I recommend raw, but some will disagree. Treatment - LTCI , a monthly injection to stimulate the immune system cost about $70 per injection, requires prescription, made by Imulan, they will send your vet the meds or find a vet that has them they have names of vets near you; Acemannan or Ambrotose - either intraperitoneal injection or oral supplement - oral about $40 per bottle, no prescription for oral, made by Mannatech I believe. Interferon - oral medication, very cheap, need prescription most vets can get. You can use them separately or together. Sometimes you can reverse the viral status if you start early enough. I really fear you have an FIP situation on your hands. I would start aggressive treatment with him now if that is the case. I would stay away from Prednisone (most vets recommend it)it will only symptomatically help and the disease will progress. I pray the high dose vitamin C will work for this other woman and I would probably take that route with your little guy. This is what I would consider - Azithromycin for the URI, high dose(by this I mean on the order of grams per day - for the exact regimen I wouldl have to speak with the other woman in the group) vitamin C for possible FIP (this will be a daily IV drip - labor intensive), Imulan injections and continued oral supplements. You are not going to win with conventional treatment - I believe that with all my heart. You have to look beyond what the vets out there are telling you. There are two other routes I am aware of for FIP, if you are interested I can give you more info. Good luck and God bless you. Jenny On 11/18/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, my name is Crystal. My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4 weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building. We tamed them as well. About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV positive. Two of them are fine and doing great. The runt, Nibbler, isn’t. He’s been on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny eyes and nose…we had to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea. He is very symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its course and has run out if suggestions for me. He’s also half the size of his brothers. However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for me because I don’t want to give up on him. Here’s my list… He has severe
[Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten
Hi, All, Just dropping in to post about the success I have had in reversing FIP in one of my kittens. As most of you know, I lost my FeLV+ boy Lukey in October and we were never sure what actually caused his death, as though we were able to improve his red blood count with a transfusion and his lymphocytes were increasing with Imulan's LTCI, his fevers, weight loss and anorexia persisted. He died just after we had placed an esophageal feeding tube. I pulled three six-week-old kittens from a kill shelter last June and they have been healthy, happy and thriving. Then, following their FVRCP vaccinations on October 8, 10 days later one of them, Chuckie, began with chronic high fevers, lethargy and inappetence. When he didn't rebound in a few days, I, like so many others, took him for conventional veterinary treatment which consisted of the routine antibiotics and steroids. When he did not respond to their treatment they simply returned a diagnosis of Fever of Unknown Origin, and sent me on my way, at which time I proceeded to a second, and yet a third specialty vet. They all returned the same diagnosis and basically dismissed Chuckie and me with no hope. I had no idea of what to do next but since I had seen such good results with intravenous vitamin C in my lymphosarcoma cat Linus (who is still alive nearly two years after his original diagnosis thanks to the treatments), I took Chuckie to my vet who performs the ascorbate treatments for me and Chuckie was started on IV ascorbic acid immediately. He received five days of the treatment but not consecutively and apparently at less then adequate dosages because though he seemed much improved by the fifth drip, we mistakenly stopped the drips thinking he would remain better and two days later he manifested with severe neurological symptoms and two days after that he was dead. At around the same time Chuckie was dying his sister Angelica then became sick with the identical symptoms and stopped eating and had some transient neurological involvement. This time, with the pain from Chuckie's death and failed conventional treatment still very fresh, I realized that if Angelica was going to be saved we would have to bypass conventional vet medicine and get her started on the intravenous ascorbate immediately. Her drips were begun on Tuesday, November 10 and according to the protocol of Wendell Belfield, DVM she was titrated up quickly to 2 grams per pound of body weight (she weighed 5 pounds and so she was receiving close to 10 grams of vitamin C intravenously by the third or fourth day). Vitamin C is a powerful virucidal and immune stimulant and because I work in this field, I am well familiar with the properties of this near miracle supplement. See http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/198x/smith-lh-clinica l_guide_1988.htm for information as to why and how vitamin C kills viruses. As of November 19, 2009 Angelica has received nine intravenous ascorbic acid drips and again, we were able to successfully achieve the 2g per pound (10,000 mg at each drip) with no side effects whatsoever. After her 6th drip her fevers began to remain down overnight (as Belfield predicted would happen), and now after 9 drips she is eating, putting on weight, and her fevers are consistently gone. Though I'm always afraid to utter it aloud, especially after losing two other babies to what I now believe was FIP in both cases, Angelica appears to have beaten this despicable disease thanks to the power of intravenous ascorbate and the work of vitamin C pioneers like Linus Pauling and Dr. Wendell Belfield in vet medicine. For those of you who are interested, you can read more about Dr. Belfield's protocol and work in this field at http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/197x/belfield-w-j_int _assn_prev_med-1978-v2-n3-p10.htm. He also discusses successes and seroconversions in FeLV+ cats with the use of intravenous, injected and oral vitamin C, though the most success is seen with FeLV in cats who are newly diagnosed and the virus has not yet reached the bone. If I had a newly diagnosed FeLV cat that I was trying to save, I would certainly not hesitate to put it on intravenous and injectable ascorbate at high levels, since it is nontoxic and completely safe for the cat. The vials of sodium ascorbate are charged at around $25.00 per vial by my vet and there is enough product in a vial to get three or four high level drips out of it. The only other cost is placement of the catheter for the drip which can remain in place for up to four days. I have even hung the drips at home when the vet was good enough to loan me her infusion pump and it is not difficult to do. I am now buying my own infusion pump for future use because I would not be without this powerful weapon on behalf of my cats that I cherish. Anyway, If any of you has any questions about the protocol I used with Angelica for her FIP, feel free to write. You can also view
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I'm Very glad that Angelica has gotten better. However, at least with what you wrote, I don't see a diagnosis of FIP. Was this a diagnosis made by a vet? Were there some tests run with results that were indicative of FIP, or was this just from observation of clinical signs? Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of S. Jewell Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:02 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten Hi, All, Just dropping in to post about the success I have had in reversing FIP in one of my kittens. I pulled three six-week-old kittens from a kill shelter last June and they have been healthy, happy and thriving. Then, following their FVRCP vaccinations on October 8, 10 days later one of them, Chuckie, began with chronic high fevers, lethargy and inappetence. When he didn't rebound in a few days, I, like so many others, took him for conventional veterinary treatment which consisted of the routine antibiotics and steroids. When he did not respond to their treatment they simply returned a diagnosis of Fever of Unknown Origin, and sent me on my way, at which time I proceeded to a second, and yet a third specialty vet. They all returned the same diagnosis and basically dismissed Chuckie and me with no hope. I had no idea of what to do next but since I had seen such good results with intravenous vitamin C in my lymphosarcoma cat Linus (who is still alive nearly two years after his original diagnosis thanks to the treatments), I took Chuckie to my vet who performs the ascorbate treatments for me and Chuckie was started on IV ascorbic acid immediately. He received five days of the treatment but not consecutively and apparently at less then adequate dosages because though he seemed much improved by the fifth drip, we mistakenly stopped the drips thinking he would remain better and two days later he manifested with severe neurological symptoms and two days after that he was dead. At around the same time Chuckie was dying his sister Angelica then became sick with the identical symptoms and stopped eating and had some transient neurological involvement. This time, with the pain from Chuckie's death and failed conventional treatment still very fresh, I realized that if Angelica was going to be saved we would have to bypass conventional vet medicine and get her started on the intravenous ascorbate immediately. Her drips were begun on Tuesday, November 10 and according to the protocol of Wendell Belfield, DVM she was titrated up quickly to 2 grams per pound of body weight (she weighed 5 pounds and so she was receiving close to 10 grams of vitamin C intravenously by the third or fourth day). Vitamin C is a powerful virucidal and immune stimulant and because I work in this field, I am well familiar with the properties of this near miracle supplement. See http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/198x/smith-lh-clinica l_guide_1988.htm for information as to why and how vitamin C kills viruses. As of November 19, 2009 Angelica has received nine intravenous ascorbic acid drips and again, we were able to successfully achieve the 2g per pound (10,000 mg at each drip) with no side effects whatsoever. After her 6th drip her fevers began to remain down overnight (as Belfield predicted would happen), and now after 9 drips she is eating, putting on weight, and her fevers are consistently gone. Though I'm always afraid to utter it aloud, especially after losing two other babies to what I now believe was FIP in both cases, Angelica appears to have beaten this despicable disease thanks to the power of intravenous ascorbate and the work of vitamin C pioneers like Linus Pauling and Dr. Wendell Belfield in vet medicine. Sally Snyder Jewell ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Gary, Angelica's litter mate Chuckie died from confirmed FIP on November 11 with exactly the same symptoms and Angelica became symptomatic just about 10 days after Chuckie manifested with the disease. They were hospitalized together but Chuckie's disease was too advanced by the time we were able to administer the ascorbate due to lost time at vets and because of chronic antibiotic and steroid use for what was earlier diagnosed as FUO. His confirming final blood work returned on the day before he died with rising coronavirus titers and his PCR was positive for dry FIP. We did not see the need to perform the blood work on Angelica because she was showing identical symptoms to Chuckie with sustained high fevers, lethargy, inappetence, weight loss, and mild neurological involvement, though the biggest reason was that she was so early in the disease process that it would likely not have shown up anyway, as it took until the day before Chuckie died for his PCR to show the FIP. We had done blood work on him three times before that with negative corona virus titers and mostly normal results except for positive Dohle bodies and mild anemia. Rather than spend additional monies on blood work that would likely not have shown us anything so early in her disease process (as Chuckie's did not), we chose to allocate that money toward Angelica's treatment. We have discussed doing blood work now to confirm the presence of the coronavirus and we still may, though the focus obviously remains on completing her treatment first. She will receive her last drip tomorrow and will then receive subcutaneous injections of sodium ascorbate at home while we taper her off of the high dose vitamin C in an effort to avoid any rebound scurvy effect from stopping the C abruptly, since cats only make the human equivalent of 2,800 mg of vitamin C in the liver daily, far less than most other animals in the animal kingdom (a goat makes the human equivalent of 13,000 mg daily). This is the reason that domestic cats and dogs are so often ill with chronic and deadly viruses that their immune systems cannot fight off. Though they obviously still have the gulonolactone oxidase (GLO) enzyme that allows them to synthesize ascorbate from glucose in the liver, the suboptimal feeding of canned and processed diets has apparently altered their ability to synthesize it at high enough levels to sustain optimal health, hence the reason it is crucial that they receive supplemental vitamin C added to their food. Again, see http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/197x/belfield-w-j_int _assn_prev_med-1978-v2-n3-p10.htm. The third remaining litter mate, Tommy, to date appears asymptomatic and remains healthy. Sally Snyder Jewell, Marketing Director Tower Laboratories Corporation Manufacturers of Pauling Therapy Formulas for Coronary Heart Disease Since 1996 http://www.HeartTech.com E-mail: sa...@towerlaboratories.com Toll Free: 1-877-TOWER-LABS (1-877.869.3752) Voice: 502.368.2720; 502.368.2721 Fax: 502.368.0019 Pauling Therapy Information Web site: http://www.HeartTech.com Pauling Therapy Order Link: http://www.PaulingTherapyStore.com -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk- boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 12:42 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten I'm Very glad that Angelica has gotten better. However, at least with what you wrote, I don't see a diagnosis of FIP. Was this a diagnosis made by a vet? Were there some tests run with results that were indicative of FIP, or was this just from observation of clinical signs? Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of S. Jewell Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:02 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten Hi, All, Just dropping in to post about the success I have had in reversing FIP in one of my kittens. I pulled three six-week-old kittens from a kill shelter last June and they have been healthy, happy and thriving. Then, following their FVRCP vaccinations on October 8, 10 days later one of them, Chuckie, began with chronic high fevers, lethargy and inappetence. When he didn't rebound in a few days, I, like so many others, took him for conventional veterinary treatment which consisted of the routine antibiotics and steroids. When he did not respond to their treatment they simply returned a diagnosis of Fever of Unknown Origin, and sent me on my way, at which time I proceeded to a second, and yet a third specialty vet. They all returned the same diagnosis and basically dismissed Chuckie and me with no hope. I had no idea of what to do next but since I had seen such good results with intravenous vitamin C in my
Re: [Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten
Gary, Angelica's litter mate Chuckie died from confirmed FIP on November 11 with exactly the same symptoms and Angelica became symptomatic just about 10 days after Chuckie manifested with the disease. They were hospitalized together but Chuckie's disease was too advanced by the time we were able to administer the ascorbate due to lost time at vets and because of chronic antibiotic and steroid use for what was earlier diagnosed as FUO. His confirming final blood work returned on the day before he died with rising coronavirus titers and his PCR was positive for dry FIP. We did not see the need to perform the blood work on Angelica because she was showing identical symptoms to Chuckie with sustained high fevers, lethargy, inappetence, weight loss, and mild neurological involvement, though the biggest reason was that she was so early in the disease process that it would likely not have shown up anyway, as it took until the day before Chuckie died for his PCR to show the FIP. We had done blood work on him three times before that with negative corona virus titers and mostly normal results except for positive Dohle bodies and mild anemia. Rather than spend additional monies on blood work that would likely not have shown us anything so early in her disease process (as Chuckie's did not), we chose to allocate that money toward Angelica's treatment. We have discussed doing blood work now to confirm the presence of the coronavirus and we still may, though the focus obviously remains on completing her treatment first. She will receive her last drip tomorrow and will then receive subcutaneous injections of sodium ascorbate at home while we taper her off of the high dose vitamin C in an effort to avoid any rebound scurvy effect from stopping the C abruptly, since cats only make the human equivalent of 2,800 mg of vitamin C in the liver daily, far less than most other animals in the animal kingdom (a goat makes the human equivalent of 13,000 mg daily). This is the reason that domestic cats and dogs are so often ill with chronic and deadly viruses that their immune systems cannot fight off. Though they obviously still have the gulonolactone oxidase (GLO) enzyme that allows them to synthesize ascorbate from glucose in the liver, the suboptimal feeding of canned and processed diets has apparently altered their ability to synthesize it at high enough levels to sustain optimal health, hence the reason it is crucial that they receive supplemental vitamin C added to their food. Again, see http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/197x/belfield-w-j_int _assn_prev_med-1978-v2-n3-p10.htm. The third remaining litter mate, Tommy, to date appears asymptomatic and remains healthy. Sally Snyder Jewell, Marketing Director Tower Laboratories Corporation Manufacturers of Pauling Therapy Formulas for Coronary Heart Disease Since 1996 http://www.HeartTech.com E-mail: sa...@towerlaboratories.com Toll Free: 1-877-TOWER-LABS (1-877.869.3752) Voice: 502.368.2720; 502.368.2721 Fax: 502.368.0019 Pauling Therapy Information Web site: http://www.HeartTech.com Pauling Therapy Order Link: http://www.PaulingTherapyStore.com -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk- boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 12:42 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten I'm Very glad that Angelica has gotten better. However, at least with what you wrote, I don't see a diagnosis of FIP. Was this a diagnosis made by a vet? Were there some tests run with results that were indicative of FIP, or was this just from observation of clinical signs? Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of S. Jewell Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:02 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten Hi, All, Just dropping in to post about the success I have had in reversing FIP in one of my kittens. I pulled three six-week-old kittens from a kill shelter last June and they have been healthy, happy and thriving. Then, following their FVRCP vaccinations on October 8, 10 days later one of them, Chuckie, began with chronic high fevers, lethargy and inappetence. When he didn't rebound in a few days, I, like so many others, took him for conventional veterinary treatment which consisted of the routine antibiotics and steroids. When he did not respond to their treatment they simply returned a diagnosis of Fever of Unknown Origin, and sent me on my way, at which time I proceeded to a second, and yet a third specialty vet. They all returned the same diagnosis and basically dismissed Chuckie and me with no hope. I had no idea of what to do next but since I had seen such good results with intravenous vitamin C in my
Re: [Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten
I want a solution to FIP. FIP has killed cats in my care and ravaged my spirit. I do not foster tiny kittens because I cannot deal with FIP. So I want this to be real, a real solution to FIP. But I have to say The only way to make a definitive diagnoe of FIP is by necropsy. Was a necropsy performed? How do you KNOW it was FIP? --- On Thu, 11/19/09, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: From: gary gcru...@centurytel.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 9:42 PM I'm Very glad that Angelica has gotten better. However, at least with what you wrote, I don't see a diagnosis of FIP. Was this a diagnosis made by a vet? Were there some tests run with results that were indicative of FIP, or was this just from observation of clinical signs? Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of S. Jewell Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:02 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten Hi, All, Just dropping in to post about the success I have had in reversing FIP in one of my kittens. I pulled three six-week-old kittens from a kill shelter last June and they have been healthy, happy and thriving. Then, following their FVRCP vaccinations on October 8, 10 days later one of them, Chuckie, began with chronic high fevers, lethargy and inappetence. When he didn't rebound in a few days, I, like so many others, took him for conventional veterinary treatment which consisted of the routine antibiotics and steroids. When he did not respond to their treatment they simply returned a diagnosis of Fever of Unknown Origin, and sent me on my way, at which time I proceeded to a second, and yet a third specialty vet. They all returned the same diagnosis and basically dismissed Chuckie and me with no hope. I had no idea of what to do next but since I had seen such good results with intravenous vitamin C in my lymphosarcoma cat Linus (who is still alive nearly two years after his original diagnosis thanks to the treatments), I took Chuckie to my vet who performs the ascorbate treatments for me and Chuckie was started on IV ascorbic acid immediately. He received five days of the treatment but not consecutively and apparently at less then adequate dosages because though he seemed much improved by the fifth drip, we mistakenly stopped the drips thinking he would remain better and two days later he manifested with severe neurological symptoms and two days after that he was dead. At around the same time Chuckie was dying his sister Angelica then became sick with the identical symptoms and stopped eating and had some transient neurological involvement. This time, with the pain from Chuckie's death and failed conventional treatment still very fresh, I realized that if Angelica was going to be saved we would have to bypass conventional vet medicine and get her started on the intravenous ascorbate immediately. Her drips were begun on Tuesday, November 10 and according to the protocol of Wendell Belfield, DVM she was titrated up quickly to 2 grams per pound of body weight (she weighed 5 pounds and so she was receiving close to 10 grams of vitamin C intravenously by the third or fourth day). Vitamin C is a powerful virucidal and immune stimulant and because I work in this field, I am well familiar with the properties of this near miracle supplement. See http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/198x/smith-lh-clinica l_guide_1988.htm for information as to why and how vitamin C kills viruses. As of November 19, 2009 Angelica has received nine intravenous ascorbic acid drips and again, we were able to successfully achieve the 2g per pound (10,000 mg at each drip) with no side effects whatsoever. After her 6th drip her fevers began to remain down overnight (as Belfield predicted would happen), and now after 9 drips she is eating, putting on weight, and her fevers are consistently gone. Though I'm always afraid to utter it aloud, especially after losing two other babies to what I now believe was FIP in both cases, Angelica appears to have beaten this despicable disease thanks to the power of intravenous ascorbate and the work of vitamin C pioneers like Linus Pauling and Dr. Wendell Belfield in vet medicine. Sally Snyder Jewell ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I just posted the history about this and the testing that was performed a few minutes ago. If you need more information, let me know. Sally Snyder Jewell, Marketing Director Tower Laboratories Corporation www.HeartTech.com 1-877-TOWER-LABS Practicing Medicine Without a License? The Story of the Linus Pauling Therapy for Heart Disease, by Owen Fonorow and Sally Snyder Jewell -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk- boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 1:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten I want a solution to FIP. FIP has killed cats in my care and ravaged my spirit. I do not foster tiny kittens because I cannot deal with FIP. So I want this to be real, a real solution to FIP. But I have to say The only way to make a definitive diagnoe of FIP is by necropsy. Was a necropsy performed? How do you KNOW it was FIP? --- On Thu, 11/19/09, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: From: gary gcru...@centurytel.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 9:42 PM I'm Very glad that Angelica has gotten better. However, at least with what you wrote, I don't see a diagnosis of FIP. Was this a diagnosis made by a vet? Were there some tests run with results that were indicative of FIP, or was this just from observation of clinical signs? Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of S. Jewell Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:02 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten Hi, All, Just dropping in to post about the success I have had in reversing FIP in one of my kittens. I pulled three six-week-old kittens from a kill shelter last June and they have been healthy, happy and thriving. Then, following their FVRCP vaccinations on October 8, 10 days later one of them, Chuckie, began with chronic high fevers, lethargy and inappetence. When he didn't rebound in a few days, I, like so many others, took him for conventional veterinary treatment which consisted of the routine antibiotics and steroids. When he did not respond to their treatment they simply returned a diagnosis of Fever of Unknown Origin, and sent me on my way, at which time I proceeded to a second, and yet a third specialty vet. They all returned the same diagnosis and basically dismissed Chuckie and me with no hope. I had no idea of what to do next but since I had seen such good results with intravenous vitamin C in my lymphosarcoma cat Linus (who is still alive nearly two years after his original diagnosis thanks to the treatments), I took Chuckie to my vet who performs the ascorbate treatments for me and Chuckie was started on IV ascorbic acid immediately. He received five days of the treatment but not consecutively and apparently at less then adequate dosages because though he seemed much improved by the fifth drip, we mistakenly stopped the drips thinking he would remain better and two days later he manifested with severe neurological symptoms and two days after that he was dead. At around the same time Chuckie was dying his sister Angelica then became sick with the identical symptoms and stopped eating and had some transient neurological involvement. This time, with the pain from Chuckie's death and failed conventional treatment still very fresh, I realized that if Angelica was going to be saved we would have to bypass conventional vet medicine and get her started on the intravenous ascorbate immediately. Her drips were begun on Tuesday, November 10 and according to the protocol of Wendell Belfield, DVM she was titrated up quickly to 2 grams per pound of body weight (she weighed 5 pounds and so she was receiving close to 10 grams of vitamin C intravenously by the third or fourth day). Vitamin C is a powerful virucidal and immune stimulant and because I work in this field, I am well familiar with the properties of this near miracle supplement. See http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/198x/smith-lh-clinica l_guide_1988.htm for information as to why and how vitamin C kills viruses. As of November 19, 2009 Angelica has received nine intravenous ascorbic acid drips and again, we were able to successfully achieve the 2g per pound (10,000 mg at each drip) with no side effects whatsoever. After her 6th drip her fevers began to remain down overnight (as Belfield predicted would happen), and now after 9 drips she is eating, putting on weight, and her fevers are consistently gone. Though I'm always
Re: [Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten
I just posted the history about this and the testing that was performed a few minutes ago. If you need more information, let me know. Sally Snyder Jewell, Marketing Director Tower Laboratories Corporation www.HeartTech.com 1-877-TOWER-LABS Practicing Medicine Without a License? The Story of the Linus Pauling Therapy for Heart Disease, by Owen Fonorow and Sally Snyder Jewell -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk- boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 1:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten I want a solution to FIP. FIP has killed cats in my care and ravaged my spirit. I do not foster tiny kittens because I cannot deal with FIP. So I want this to be real, a real solution to FIP. But I have to say The only way to make a definitive diagnoe of FIP is by necropsy. Was a necropsy performed? How do you KNOW it was FIP? --- On Thu, 11/19/09, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: From: gary gcru...@centurytel.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 9:42 PM I'm Very glad that Angelica has gotten better. However, at least with what you wrote, I don't see a diagnosis of FIP. Was this a diagnosis made by a vet? Were there some tests run with results that were indicative of FIP, or was this just from observation of clinical signs? Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of S. Jewell Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:02 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten Hi, All, Just dropping in to post about the success I have had in reversing FIP in one of my kittens. I pulled three six-week-old kittens from a kill shelter last June and they have been healthy, happy and thriving. Then, following their FVRCP vaccinations on October 8, 10 days later one of them, Chuckie, began with chronic high fevers, lethargy and inappetence. When he didn't rebound in a few days, I, like so many others, took him for conventional veterinary treatment which consisted of the routine antibiotics and steroids. When he did not respond to their treatment they simply returned a diagnosis of Fever of Unknown Origin, and sent me on my way, at which time I proceeded to a second, and yet a third specialty vet. They all returned the same diagnosis and basically dismissed Chuckie and me with no hope. I had no idea of what to do next but since I had seen such good results with intravenous vitamin C in my lymphosarcoma cat Linus (who is still alive nearly two years after his original diagnosis thanks to the treatments), I took Chuckie to my vet who performs the ascorbate treatments for me and Chuckie was started on IV ascorbic acid immediately. He received five days of the treatment but not consecutively and apparently at less then adequate dosages because though he seemed much improved by the fifth drip, we mistakenly stopped the drips thinking he would remain better and two days later he manifested with severe neurological symptoms and two days after that he was dead. At around the same time Chuckie was dying his sister Angelica then became sick with the identical symptoms and stopped eating and had some transient neurological involvement. This time, with the pain from Chuckie's death and failed conventional treatment still very fresh, I realized that if Angelica was going to be saved we would have to bypass conventional vet medicine and get her started on the intravenous ascorbate immediately. Her drips were begun on Tuesday, November 10 and according to the protocol of Wendell Belfield, DVM she was titrated up quickly to 2 grams per pound of body weight (she weighed 5 pounds and so she was receiving close to 10 grams of vitamin C intravenously by the third or fourth day). Vitamin C is a powerful virucidal and immune stimulant and because I work in this field, I am well familiar with the properties of this near miracle supplement. See http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/198x/smith-lh-clinica l_guide_1988.htm for information as to why and how vitamin C kills viruses. As of November 19, 2009 Angelica has received nine intravenous ascorbic acid drips and again, we were able to successfully achieve the 2g per pound (10,000 mg at each drip) with no side effects whatsoever. After her 6th drip her fevers began to remain down overnight (as Belfield predicted would happen), and now after 9 drips she is eating, putting on weight, and her fevers are consistently gone. Though I'm always
